NationStates Jolt Archive

"A supermajority decision by the E.G.C. and the General Provincial Councils can override, but I am authorised to sign for Xikuang."


In representation and by authorisation of the Elected General Coucil,
The Serene Socialist Republic of Xikuang:
Elected General Councillor Kham Khitai.

Having been dragged in by some Ruhrian DIA Agents acting under the authority of Parlaiment, Minister Mark Peters reluctantly signed the document-thingy.

Mark Peters
The Armed Imperial Republic of Ruhr

With that, he ran out of the room...

"In the name of The Grand Duchy of Hell Bovines, I sign. Have in mind, however, that a national referendum is pending on this and the will of the people can override it", Frieda said and, with a joyous smile, signed the paper.

Mrs. Frieda Tastyhay, Ambassadoress, The Ecotopian Grand Duchy of Hell Bovines.

OOC: wouldn't this place be completely sound-proofed? These talks are pretty high level...

IC

Prime Minister Achefield raised a sardonic eyebrow at the Dread Lady's sudden reappearence, once the hard work of achieving consensus amongst ideologically different nations had been done.

He read through the Mediation Agreement for a final time - for now! he thought wryly - then nodded and signed on behalf of Chimaea and the Empire of Baron.

OOC: Naturally inidvidual nations in Baron would have to ratify it themselves. This is so that nations like RK doesn't need to follow this x_x

"As I have been given authorisation by the Foreign Affairs Committee to sign the document, I sign on behalf of the people of the Weegies, pending a referendum on the Agreement."

Paula McFadden,
on behalf of The Tropical Socialist Paradise of The Weegies.

Lenore leaned foward and wrote her name in an elegant script. She looked at the other people inside and smiled and rose from her seat.

"If you excuse me"

BUMP

June smiles and picks up a pen, writing 'On behalf of the people of Marshall, Voight, Mallet, Lamar, Ellis and Gerhart Islands, Grafton's Isle and the Comona and Drake Island Groups, I hereby sign and ratify this document. June, DN-01 Nihilanth' She hands the pen to Elisa.

Elisa nods, taking the pen from June and quickly signs 'On behalf of the government of The Most Glorious Hack, this document is ratified. Elisa Day, Office of Foreign Affairs.'

OOC: Barring Effrenata explaining their absence in one more day since I have sent them two telegrams--and they have clearly visited their nation, I will default the location to GMC Military Arms. Just fyi.

(OOC: As mentioned earlier, Effrenata participates as an observer. We cannot compromise our neutrality and non-aligned status--which is one of the aspects of our nation that makes it a suitable headquarters for such bodies as Physicians Without Frontiers, Amnesty Worldwide, etc.,--but we do observe a number of international conventions and can commit to observing this in a separate document which can be attached to the agreement, if that would be acceptable.)

OOC: I find this utterly baffling...and it makes the idea of putting the council there rather awkward. I mean...it doesn't bind you to commit any resources apart from those required for mediation--which in fact supports your neutrality. However, as you like.

OOC: What's the problem now?

OOC: Effrenata doesn't want to sign the mediation agreement. Which as far as I can tell won't violate any neutrality. I think that it would be odd to have the mediation council headquarters in a place that doesn't take part in its activities and won't allow it to have any security but what they can hire from one of its security firms. In fact, I think it's a bad idea. So I'd like them either to sign or not support at all.

(OOC: The situation would be analogous to Switzerland prior to its entry to the UN in 2002. Prior to that time, Switzerland participated as guests or observers in any number of international organizations, and even hosted UN headquarters for 56 years--without being a member of the body. The country endorsed any number of international treaties and agreements without becoming an active participant. Effrenata is modeled on pre-EU, pre-UN Switzerland in relation to foreign policies, neutrality, and international involvement. It is not at all unprecedented in RL for a nation to host an international body in which it has no formal membership. Effrenata has said all along that it was participating as an observer. Our offers to the group included:

"I am here to observe on behalf of elements of my government, and therefore I do not wish to comment on the substance of the efforts here today. However, I should inform the distinguished parties present, that Effrenata has extended an offer to provide suitable facilities for a mediation body in Ceyce.

"With a large number of international non-governmental organizations, such as Physicians Without Frontiers, the International Purple Star, Amnesty Worldwide, the Liliental Peace Endowment, and more, all headquartered in Ceyce already, we felt that such a location would facilitate the resources and effectiveness of a mediation body.

...and...

"We will continue, however, to endorse all international efforts to develop viable processes for the resolution of disputes, even if we cannot participate.

Also, in reiterating the offer later during the negotiations, it was explicitly stated:

"The offer of my government stands. If the body will incorporate under international law, we will cede a long-term lease to suitable property on the same terms as those we have provided to the International Purple Star, Physicians Without Frontiers, the World Humanitarian Council, and similar organizations. We will also arrange suitable funding for construction of the facilities."

"However, I should say that this remains contingent on no military presence on behalf of the Council, within Effrenata proper. We would be happy to arrage subsidies for the Council to purchase security service for its personnel and property through any one of the internationally-respected private security firms headquartered in Effrenata. While we recognize that from time to time, military personnel may be involved as interested parties in any mediation, we cannot host military personnel qua military personnel at the Council facility. I should mention that this would also include Effrenati military personnel, as our government will participate only in a facilitative capacity."

And finally, when asked to specifically clarify the security issue, it was restated again:

"Individuals acting in a non-military capacity on behalf of the mediation council, who happen to have military associations incidental to their role in the mediation process, are very welcome. We do understand that a certain amount of information gathering, discussion of military matters, etc., may be part of the council's activities, and to that we have no objection. We merely wish to be certain that no actual military operations are associated with the facility.

"With regards to specific language to clarify this, we would have no objection to:

'...no armed units from anyone's military services. Security will be provided by a generally agreed on Effrenati private security firm.'"

The acceptance of this offer was signified after all of these matters were clarified, so I assumed that it was clear Effrenata would be participating on that basis.

Hope this clears things up?)

It is not acceptable to have the council hosted in Effrenata when that nation is unwilling to acknowledge their support of the council. If, for instance, there arose difficulties between its members and Effrenata, there is no agreement to protect us from situations that might become hostile. The Empire of Lavenrunz insists upon their support for the goals of the mediation council directly or else will insist on the council being held in GMC Military Arms.

Count Joachim von Mirbach
Chancellor of Lavenrunz

To all delegates,


It was my understanding that all nations that were at the council had agreed to become a member of the council and to support it. I have re-read the transcriptions of Effrenata's statements and and their claim of participating only as an observer. Effrenata made several points and arguments to help form the council's charter and appeared as though they were entirely willing to join and back the council, provided they would not violate their neutrality and not have any part in military solutions or operations. Effrenata is now playing semantics.

That an 'observer' should take active part in forming a council debating what the council should do and even actively help to form the council is absurd. The role of 'observer' in my mind ceased to exist when Effrenata engaged actively in debate and several times even lent their opinions to vote on what direction the council would take. For the Effrenata delegation to now say 'wait, we're still observers, remember what we said on the first day!' is ludicrous and defies common sense. Ilek-Vaad orginally entered as an observer as well, but we recognize that when we begin to actively help form policies of such a charter the 'observer' mantle, must fall by the wayside.

Effrenata has in my eyes had their cake and now wishes to eat it too. After several days of engaging in and actively helping form the council as well as help decide where it should reside Effrenata now wishes to say they are not even a member, and worse than that they wish to claim they are a 'neutral' observer. Neutral observers in my opinion do not actively take part in such conferences they OBSERVE. I will not debate semantics. Effrenata must now join and support the council they helped form as an active participant, or walk away, as an observer. In either case Effrenata has shown that perhaps their nation is not the best place to host the conference. Perhaps next week they will change their minds on what exactly the word 'host' means?

the Right Honourable Sir Ilem Arden
Chief of Staff to the First Repulican
the Free Republic of Ilek-Vaad

Paula stands up and looks over to the Effrenati.

"Mr Blackotter, the very reason we from The Weegies felt Effrenata would be a suitable place for the UN Mediation Council was to show the neutrality of the body itself. This is going to be - hopefully - a completely neutral organisation, to prevent partisan interventions and mediations in warring nations."

Paula raises an eyebrow.

"Are you really seriously suggesting that support for a neutral body will make Effrenata seem partisan, or spoil your position of neutrality and non-interventionism? I must agree with the delegate from Ilek-Vaad. Effrenata forfeited any kind of non-involvement with the Mediation Council when they first started participating in the creation of it."

Nathicana shakes her head and chuckles. "For once, I'll have to agree. For a body who has debated so heavily, I would think a claim of 'disinvolvement' from Effrenata to be rather laughable at this point. Semantics indeed. As has been previously stated, should that have been your true goal, you would have sat quietly throughout these proceedings, merely offering yourselves as a neutral location. Now, it would seem, due to your meddling and rather involved presence, we're back to deciding a location again. This is a neutral organization in and of itself, as laid out. Should Effrenata deign to honor us with it's presence, I see no reason why such a show of support would in any way damage their credibility or neutrality in other issues."

She looks over to the GMC representative and gives a short nod of respect. "My vote, should it count for anything, lies with GMC. Not only have they shown themselves to be honorable, but have a history of neutrality and would provide an insanely safe location, all things considered. The Dominion stands with Lavenrunz on this decision."

Sir Ilem chuckled "Are you certain you agree? Do you need a minute to think it over?"

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"Why, Sir Ilem - I do believe that's the most succinct question or comment you've had yet. Are you certain you don't need some water after such lengthy discourse?" Nathicana said with a wry grin. "Had I been present during the debate of location to begin with - my fault entirely for having lost patience with the sniping - I assure you, my vote would have been the same. Now, if we've quite finished with the sarcasm ..."

The Knootians just smile and listen to the debate as it is unfolding.

Body language, however, shows that they tend to be agreeing with those favouring that Effranata becomes a full member.

After a short colloquy with Friv narGellis, Palee Blackotter stands, and with great dignity, bows to the delegate from Ilek-Vlaad.

"We have been most careful to refrain from voting in any matter on which a vote was explicity called for and recorded, Sir, as a review of the records of these proceedings will show. It is true that both myself and Friv narGellis have on occasion offered our observations on this process. Err... I apologize if offering observations is, in fact, inappropriate conduct for an observer. Perhaps that gave some a misunderstanding of our role here, which I have endeavored to state as clearly as possible."

"With regards to Effrenata's support for the Council, its aims, goals, constitution, and activities, we had hoped that our offer to host the Council would provide a concrete indication of our commitment. We do, indeed support the Council and all of its activities. When the Council is incorporated under international law, we will be perfectly happy to enter into binding legal agreements with the Council itself regarding any and all matters pertaining to the facilitation of its activities."

"I am simply not empowered by my government to enter into contract or treaty obligations with any individual sovereign nation or any group of sovereign nations as nations."

"I am, however, empowered to offer a formal document of commitment from my government to be attached to this treaty as an addendum, outlining our commitment to the Council and our support for its activities. I am sorry for any misunderstanding which may have resulted from imprecise communication on my part."

Looking very distressed, he addresses Count Mirbach directly. "And I do apologize to you, Sir, for any inconvenience such misunderstanding may have engendered. It has never been the intention of Effrenata, nor of my colleague and myself, to render this process more difficult. Rather, because of our firm belief in the ideals represented by this Council, we wish only to facilitate the advancement of this process and those ideals. We are deeply appreciative of the role Lavenrunz has played in facilitating the creation of this council and of your leadership in the process. You have my personal and profound regrets for any inconvenience my own inadequacy as a diplomatic representative may have engendered."

Sir Ilem shook his head and leaned forward

"You may not have voted, but you did voice your opinions during voting, you several times offered support for moving the council to your nation as if you were 'campaigning' . You are making semantic distinctions , we cannot know your intent unless you state them, your actions as an active participant run contrary to your statements of being only an observer. Actions always speak louder than words, even in the rather backwards proceedings of international diplomacy. I find your actions now to distance Effrenata from the council most unseemly. "

"All I want is a straight yes or no answer, you only offer us solliquies that need to examined by a professor of rhetoric to get at what you really mean? You say you are in full support of the council. If you are join, if you aren't don't join. You say you are not empowered by your government tos ign this treaty? Then why did you come and take part in building the council's resolution? I assumed that when you spoke out vociferously against military action taken tby the council, that you did so as an empowered representative of your nation, and we took your views seriously as if they had been."

"I do not trust any nation that send out 'unofficial' representatives. I do not trust any nation whose unempowered unofficial representatives take part in the shaping of an international treaty and then refuse to sign it and say 'wait,we support it, but we aren't officially empowered to sign this.' "

Sir Ilem pause and looks at the treaty before him "It is a fine document, don't you think? But it has no value without your signature. You can put it up on your wall and say you support it all you like, but I certainly do not trust that unless you are willing to find an 'official' and empowered' Effrenatian to sign it."

***** danged forum!

Blackotter's face flames with distress. He glances at Dorin narGellis, who is smiling at him serenely and encouragingly, and then addresses himself directly to the gentleman from Ilek-Vaad.

"Again, my apologies, sir. To engage in meaningless, deceptive, or deliberately disingenuous semantic manipulation is the furthest thing from my intent. I am doing my best to express myself as clearly as possible, perhaps the fact that my first language is Marac'hani is inhibiting me from being perfectly clear. I will, again, endeavor to clarify.

"I, sir, am an official representative from the Confederacy of Effrenata. I was sent, in an official capacity, to observe the proceedings of this group and to make myself useful to it, should the opportunity arise. In a secondary capacity, I am also escorting Friv narGellis, who is attending entirely as a private citizen, with the gracious acquiescence of our Lavenrunzian hosts." He bows, slightly, to Count Mirbach.

"In a capacity as observer, I have offered occasional observations, none of which was intended to "campaign" for any result, but merely to provide a veiwpoint for this body's reference in its deliberations. Not to influence the outcome of those deliberations, although I freely admit that we have strong views on the matter of military intervention as a mediation tool."

"In her capacity as a private citizen, an experienced mediator and peace activist, Friv narGellis has offered observations from her own experience as well. I will leave her to amplify on this matter, as she speaks only for herself, not for Effrenata, and I speak on behalf of my government, but not for Friv narGellis."

"Again, you have my profound apologies if this was not adequately clarified from the outset."

"I must say that I heartily agree with you, sir, in the opinion that actions speak louder than words. That was our intent, in offering to host the physical facilities of the Council-- to let our actions speak for Effrenata's commitment to peace and to peaceful mediation and negotiation as a means of resolving international disputes."

"I deeply regret if this offer has, in fact, had the effect of damaging the concord that had appeared so encouragingly over the past few days. It was not in any way our intent to provide any excuse for further controversy."

"We will not join the Council, any more than we have joined the International Purple Star, or the World Human Rights League. However, we will enter into binding agreements with the Council, as we have done with the bodies previously mentioned, to support its work through the provision of physical facilities in a neutral and, we had hoped, conducive environment."

"There is no Effrenati citizen, Figurehead, or Marginally Empowered Bureaucrat empowered to enter into agreements with other individual nations or groups of nations, because it is the policy of Effrenata not to enter into such agreements. We have not done so for the nearly 600 years of our existence as a nation."

"However, the Committee I represent is empowered to endorse via separate agreement the work of any international body whose purpose is consistent with the policies of the Effrenati people and our government. This I have offered, most willingly, along with the cession of long-term lease for land for the Council, the construction of facilities for the Council, and a long-term pledge of financial resources for the ongoing maintenance of infrastructure for the Council. This is a wholehearted and unreserved commitment on behalf of the Effrenati people, who most earnestly desire to increase the world's resources for avoiding and mitigating war and armed conflict."

"Again, I apologize most sincerely for any lack of clarity, confusion, or ill-feeling that my participation may have caused. I reiterate, it is not our intention in any way to provide an excuse for further controversy or a stumbling-block for the successful formation of this Council. Since it appears to have done so, I will confer with my government about the provision of a sincere apology in writing to any and all members of this body who have taken offense."

Somewhat stiffly, he bows again, and seats himself. Leaning on her cane, Friv narGellis stands, and her mild blue gaze moves steadily from face to face as she speaks.

"It has been clear from the outset that I have attended this body in the capacity of a private citizen, and have offered my experiences and viewpoints solely as information to be considered by this body in its deliberations."

"As such, in my capacity as a private individual, with considerable experience in the mediation of international disputes, I freely admit that my observations were made with the clear intent of advocating for mediation without military intervention."

"I apologize to my gracious hosts, the Lavenrunzian government, if their welcome to me in my private capacity, and my participation as such in this group, have placed the deliberations of the group at risk. I can do no more in apology, being a mere private individual, than to remove myself immediately, again with deep regret for any misunderstanding my well-intentioned participation may have caused."

With a stiffness that shows every year of her age, she bows to Count Mirbach, smiles briefly at several of the delegates whom she's enjoyed casual conversations with over the course of the negotiations, and makes her way toward the door, her step halting slightly, assisted with the cane, but her back straight and her white-crowned head set gracefully erect.

As Palee Blackotter half-rises to follow her, she shakes her head, reminding him that he must remain on behalf of the Committee, and leaves the room, making for the taxi she hopes will be waiting at the main exit.

Semir-randil, silent, easily ignored, virtually non-existant til' now, speaks up softly. "Despite my silence, the Empire is still more than willing to contribute, although we have little interest in interfering in the current process. - Why not rotate the meeting location of the council, on a case-by-case basis, or by prior planning; by maximising the locality of the council - that is, ensuring that the council is seen as a 'local' asset by many nations - we ensure maximum awareness and publicity. Furthermore," he smiles gently, "it is fairer. We will, of course, offer to host the council at some stage if our proposal is an acceptable compromise. We can offer the utmost security, of course. Indeed, we already have an appropriate facility available in Nenya... but that's quite besides the point, I'm certain."

In contrast to his general unreadable imperturbability, Councillor Kham seems distressed by the confrontational edge the dialogue has taken. Asking recognition of the chair, this being granted, he stands.

"Please, colleagues, let us put talk of delusory persiflage aside-- this is merely a misunderstanding. Effrenati policy is quite clear: though they can support the agenda of the council and are willing to support it insofar as provision of permanent offices and security, they cannot sign multinational agreements as a matter of national policy. Xikuang recognises and respects Effrenati neutrality, and I see no difficulty with Council offices being located in Effrenata, with support for the council's activities being detailed in a separate document. I am in agreement with Mr. Semir-randil over the desirability of flexibility as to location of actual mediation processes, but it is only reasonable for the council to have a stable central office.

"What we must now decide is whether or not the central offices must be located within the boundaries of a council signatory, or if non-signatory endorsement and support, such as the Effrenati can offer, is sufficient."

(ooc: Switzerland was a founding member of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe -- which is the closest counterpart i can think of to this council -- and of most UN specialized agencies like WHO, ILO, UNTAA etc. So if the model is pre-UN Switzerland, then there's no reason not to sign.)

Bi Bere nods at the departing Friv narGellis. Must have a word with her later, she's one smart cookie.

"I do not believe that signing a mediation agreement would compromise the neutrality of Effrenata. It has not compromised our neutrality, and this is not after all an alliance or an organization with any military dimension. However, we have no objection to Effrenata hosting the council under the conditions they have offered."

click once, post twice :roll:

Sir Ilem smiled politey at Mr. Blackotter as he returned to his seat and listened for a minute

"I have no problem with Effrenata 'supporting' the treaty by proxy. I am however extremely uncomfortable in having the council meet in a nation that 'supports' the treaty, but not enough to sign it. We here made the treaty as neutral as possible, with much prompting from Effrenata. We limited the military scope, with much prompting from Effrenata. I agreed with those points and I have SIGNED and given my support and will not withdraw it."

Sir Ilem then furrows his brow and considers Mr. Blackotter for a moment "Young man, do you know what a diplomat is that does not have the power of state?" he does not wait for an answer "A tourist."

"Ilek-Vaad will support the treaty, however we withdraw our vote for having it hosted in Effrenata."

Sir Ilem was finally annoyed and had begun to dislike the timid young man intensely.

Count Mirbach holds up a hand. "I do not believe that castigating Effrenata at this point is our aim. I merely state the policey of the Empire of Lavenrunz. I would also like to point out that we appear to have a majority of nations willing to move the Council's location to GMC Military Arms. If there is actually a problem with this I think it should be voiced. Otherwise, debating about where on the current basis seems to be a waste of time." he bows to the remaining Effrenati delegate. "It is the nature of an international conference for misunderstandings to occur, and I believe it was generosity and not a desire to create confusion. However, you must understand I hope our reasons for not wishing to accept your kind offer."

Mollari chuckles, Effrenata certainly managed to amuse him.

Joining the conference, offering themselves as base for the headquarters... and then, not signing. Now, they certainly have guts. Now, if they would grow a brain...

Elisa smiles softly to herself, wondering when the other delegates were going to catch on to what she had been hinting at previously. She was sorely tempted to say that Effranata should 'put their money where their mouth is', but she figured that would be gloating, and so she simply addresses Semir-randil, "I agree with my collegue from Xikuang that this body should have a stable headquarters."

Bi Bere stands again. "There is something to be said," she muses, "for basing this body in a completely neutral location. The word aloof has some negative connotations, but there's something to be said for basing the mediation council in a country that is aloof from international politics, and takes no role, and so has no axes to grind and no interests of its own in any international disputes. That is why i voted for Effrenata, and i continue to think that it makes the best base. Mr Blackotter has spoken of a separate protocol: perhaps the best thing might be for him to write one and submit it to this meeting."

She clears her throat. "I do think it is best that we ensure that the host country has no military alliances of any sort. GMC qualifies, but it has been a member of SATO in the past. Without saying anything negative about SATO," she bows towards Mirbach, "it is best that the mediation council be based in a completely neutral location. If GMC is to host, i suggest that we ask for an undertaking that GMC will not join any military alliances while hosting our council."

Semir's eyebrows go up slightly. Is that an insult or a statement of fact, he mused silently. "But of course," he responded quietly to Elisa, his tone carrying that same soft couldn't-care-less note (which only partly obscures the clear interest which has occasionally been visible in his eyes to those whom have been paying attention to such things), "and stability is all-important; more so to us than many, I assure you. In stability we trust is a cornerstone of our government. - Yet;"

He pauses.

"I am not certain that a static headquarters is entirely the same thing as a stable headquarters. A ship gently bobbing upon the waves is not static, but it is more stable than the utter stillness of an explosive compound. Yet none would argue that the ship is static, and none would argue that the explosive compound is stable. So one may be one without being the other, no?"

It appears for a moment that the High King is finished speaking - but he holds up a hand and adds, "Yet why are we acting in such a manner that the Council has to physically be anywhere? It has been some years since one had to be physically present to discuss matters, after all." He shrugs. "Merely a thought."

Sir Ilem looks contemplative for a second and then speaks

"I think for administrative purposes that having a single central location is in everyone's best interests as far as reducing costs and confusion. I have stated before that negotiations may well need to be attended to away from where ever we seat the headquarters, and we shouldn't think that having a set headquarters precludes us from attending to matters at different locations. Symbolically, a single headquarters projects unity."

He then nods toward Ms. Bi Bere

"As far as having Mr. Blackotter draft a seperate accord, I find that very confusing. He says that he will not sign the treaty because his nation cannot sign treaties with nations or bodies of nations, yet he is willing to draft a treaty and attach it to a treaty that he will not sign to show Effrenata's support of the origianl treaty? Why can't Mr. Blackotter sign the original treaty if he is willing to draw up and sign a second one?" Sir Ilem pauses " Needless to say again, I find the whole situation entirely preposterous. I also don't think we should waste any more time on debating Effrenata's treaty non-signing protocols or Effrenata's unwillingness to sign the treaty. I believe ,as Count Mirbach pointed out, that we now have a concensus that the headquarters should be in GMC and we should be discussing that. I also will state for the record that I could care less what organizations the host country belongs to, that is entirely their business."

After staring at his Cbox for some time, Palee nods and folds his notes and papers. Then he rises.

"I thank the members of this group for their indulgence and for their consideration of Effrenata's offer. I deeply regret that my own personal inadequacies and inexperience contributed to it becoming a source of contention, rather than unification, for the body."

"I have received a comment from my government, an amplification on our policies, which I would like to share with the group by way of explanation. It may be more relevant than my own attempts to explain Effrenata's position."

He looks down at the Cbox, which has by now extruded a hardcopy, and begins to read:

To the Delegates to the Discussion on Mediation in Lavenrunz,

Respectful Greetings:

We understand that some lack of clarity regarding Effrenata's position on support of the Council has unfortunately arisen. Following is an explication in detail.

The specific issue at stake for Effrenata is the origin of the document presented for signature.

We understand this document to have originated as the joint agreement of a group of national entities.

As such, Effrenati law prohibits our government from signing such an agreement.

It is unusual, in our experience, for the protocol of an international organization whose mission does not include the advancement of the national interests of specific nations, to originate from a group of nations.

In our experience, such protocols more usually arise once the organization has already incorporated itself separately under international law as an entity not specifically aligned with any nation or group of nations. It is the mechanism of independent incorporation under international law that removes the body in question from the category of an organization serving the specific interests of particular nations, not the goals articulated in the body's mission.

Organizations such as the World Health Organization, which are so incorporated, can receive formal commitments, signatures, endorsements, participation, or other legal recognition from the Effrenata government.

If the body resulting from the deliberations of the delegates present in Lavenrunz chooses to so incorporate, thus categorizing itself as an independent body, rather than an alliance of nations, Effrenata is eager to make such legal recognition and participation.

Our representative, in initial conversations with our government to discuss the matter of hosting such a body, erroneously made the assumption that the outcome of your deliberations would be a body so incorporated under international law. It was under this mistaken understanding that we empowered our representative to proffer our offer.

The presentation of a document for legal recognition prior to incorporation places the body resulting from your deliberations under the category of a national alliance in Effrenati law, and we must therefore, with the greatest regret, withdraw our offer to host such a body.

Should this or any other group at any time in the future create, or propose the creation of, such a body incorporated under international law, we would again be happy to provide the facilities previously enumerated.

Please accept the most profound regrets of this Task Force and the people of the Confederacy of Effrenata for the misunderstanding.

Naling Hyirdahl
Acting Chair, International Affairs Task Force
Council of Figureheads
Confederacy of Effrenata

"Again, let me also reiterate my own personal regrets and apologies to this group. It was my assumption that the objective was the creation of an international body, rather than an alliance of nations, that precipitated the misunderstanding, and I am very sorry indeed."

With a bow to Count Mirbach, and a nod to the various delegates who had been kind to him over the preceeding days, he packs up his Cbox and notes.

Sir Ilem rubbed his chin as Mr. Blackotter left and opened his PDA and checked something 'They do not wish to join because we are an alliance, and not an independant incorporation?' he thought to himself. He quickly consulted his online dictionary:

incorporation-To unite (one thing) with something else already in existence: incorporated the letter into her diary.
To admit as a member to a corporation or similar organization.
To cause to merge or combine together into a united whole.
To cause to form into a legal corporation: incorporate a business.
To give substance or material form to; embody.

allaince-A close association of nations or other groups, formed to advance common interests or causes: an alliance of labor unions opposing the bill. A formal agreement establishing such an association, especially an international treaty of friendship

Sir Ilem Hmmms audibly and shakes his head "Semantics." add independant before alliance and it means the same thing he thought to himself.

Karl von Effner looked heavenward for a moment. "Is there really any reason to continue to discuss this? The majority would rather move to GMC Military Arms. A minority are more interested in neutrality than anything else. But to me this is very simple: this kind of debate can go on forever if we let it. As I see it, we need to get started.
However, one last point. Any world organization is made up of nations that support it. Now the mediation council does not require anyone to lend troops, support internal nationa policey on any item. However, Effrenata is a sovereign state, it is their right, indeed their duty to make decisions on their foreign policey with regard to their laws. That does not obviate our need to do the same.
The Majority, as the Chancellor has said, supports a move of the venue to GMC Military Arms. We agreed to stand by majority decisions, but I recommend that we vote and get this over with." he glanced at Mirbach, who said in a clear voice, "The vote we are presenting is this: that the headquarters of the International Mediation Council should be in GMC Military Arms."

Achefield nodded. "Fair enough... Chimaea votes for the HQ to be hosted by GMC."

June smiles at Bi Bere, 'We would wish clarification on that point; I assume you refer only to large pacts rather than bilateral mutual defence treaties?'

"We abstain on this matter", said the Knootian envoy de Vries. He looked concerned.
"I thought this would have been wrapped up by now."

Sir Ilem shrugs "I vote for GMC, there isn't any other offer to host it, is there?"

With some surprise, Palee Blackotter glanced at his Cbox. He had been sitting silently, all of his notes and materials assembled, listening to the proceedings after he had read the communique from his government.

Now he stood, and bowed hastily.

"My country has apparently been moved to ALERT2 status. Count Mirbach, may I request immediate transportation for myself and Friv narGellis to the airport? My apologies to all the distinguished delegates present for my somewhat abrupt departure."

He smiles. "Assuming Effrenata survives, I hope we will have an opportunity to discuss the peaceful resolution of disputes with you again." Chuckling at his own joke (for he assumes the inconvenient ALERT2 is only a drill,) he moves toward the door.

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"I am content for the council to be based in GMC Military Arms, though I am somewhat concerned by the Effrenati interpretation." Councillor Kham says, somewhat hesitantly. "It may strike some of you as merely a point of rhetoric, but I'm afraid it's a rather important one, so I would like to ask clarification as to whether the International Mediation council is an international agreement or an alliance. If it is an alliance, I do not have the authority to sign."

ooc: edit: goodness gracious. Effrenata's post appeared while I was trying to kick mine past the forum gremlins. Tag that...

June smiles at Bi Bere, 'We would wish clarification on that point; I assume you refer only to large pacts rather than bilateral mutual defence treaties?'

"Yes, that's correct," Bi Bere smiles back. "And i would add that we certainly do not consider this mediation council to be an alliance. I do not believe any country here views it that way."

She text-messages a request home for more information on the Effrenata alert.

Sir Ilem leans back
"Considering it;s non-binding status it can hardly be an alliance. I believe Count Mirbach referred to it as an accord, I have referred to it as a treaty, I only think that Effrenata has actually referred to it as an alliance."

"Well, there seems to be no alternative for the Headquarters, we have no qualms with the Council being located in GMC Military Arms..." Paula smiles. "Now, do I not remember our dear friends from Hell Bovines saying something about a break some time ago?"

Baroness Hentzau rose, her beautiful face wreathed in concern, and said, "Herr Blackotter, if you will come with me, I will arrange transportation for you, and will provide any assistance you may require."
Count Mirbach gritted his teeth behind a smiling face; the ridiculous urge to watch her leave the room was overwhelming. He sat as if gathering his thoughts and was in fact praying...then he glanced at Kham Khitai.
"Herr Councillor, as Madame Bi Bere and Sir Ilem have said, Effrenata seems to see this as an alliance, which it is not. It merely binds us to attempt mediation before going to war or using other modes of conflict. Otherwise, what have we been discussing for days?" he tried to hide his exasperation but was not entirely successful. "Look at it again and tell me what it actually binds you to do for Lavenrunz, for instance? Nothing apart from if we have a conflict between us to refer it to the council. Nothing apart from sit with us and possibly attempt to help mediate a conflict with us. Nothing more. Now: was there anything else? If we adjourn now I am hoping our next meeting will be in GMC Military Arms."

Councillor Kham inclines his head towards the Chair. "Thank you. I merely wished to ensure that the understanding of the council as an alliance was not more widely pervasive. The clarification made, I am content."

Frieda sighed. She had been listening to the debate for a while now, as she thinked and pondered about the issue.
Having decided, she speaks, calmly and softly:
"I think the administrative office of the council should be located in a single, neutral country. However, I think future meetings of the council members should have a rotatory location."

"While I consider Effrenata a truly neutral country, I think it should sign the agreement, if it wants to host it. The idea of an international council being hosted in a country that it's not a member of it sounds utterly ridiculous to me. We understand the effrenatan foreign policy of neutrality, but we sincerely think that signing this agreement would not compromise that neutrality at all.
If Effrenata refuses to sign the agreement, then we suggest that a new host is found, perhaps on GMC military arms, though I'm not very enthusiastic with that option, mainly because GMC's neutrality is compromised by its past alliances.
I strongly suggest that Effrenata signs the agreement, as the nation is perhaps the best option for a host. If this is not possible, then I would suggest that we make a list of those countries willing to host the council and then start the votation all over again."

Oh for the love of Christ, what is so difficult here? God save me from ever having to deal with the thrice-damned democractic process in the Dominion. Hell will freeze over first.

Nathicana shoots the Hell's Bovines representative a cold look. "My dear Frieda, I believe the issue has been settled to the satisfaction of the majority here. As the good Chancellor has said, GMC would seem to have the prevailing votes. Suggesting we waste more time on an issue that should have been done long ago is sheer idiocy, and I very much doubt that after these last few 'demonstrations' that it would be at all appreciated."

"Chancellor Mirbach, I believe the only questions I would have would be for those who wish to prolong these proceedings - and could be answered privately I'm sure. You've done an admirable job with this rabble," she said, chin tilting up slightly in that imperious manner she was so well known for, "And I agree wholeheartedly with the move to adjourn before any more foolishness be brought up to further cloud the issues. While it is a shame that some cannot seem to grasp the simplicity of such an agreement as has been drafted here, it is not our job to hold them by the hand and attempt to tutor them in manners of diplomacy, semantics, or commonly held definitions. You have the support of many fine nations in this endeavor - let that be enough for now. I'm certain we'll have time enough for gaining additional signatories and debating further provisions in later meetings."

It seems to be the way of these organizations. Endless damned debate.

Bi Bere is a little shocked at the use of the word rabble, but as always lets it pass. "I believe," she says, "that we should end with an expression of thanks to Count Mirbach for his remarkable work here, and to GMC for its generous offer to host the mediation council."

Palee was no more immune than any other normal healthy heterosexual male to the Baroness’ beauty. He swallowed. “It is most gracious of you, my Lady,” he was murmuring, as he followed her from the room.

Later, in the car on the way to the airport, he asked Friv narGellis, “Was it me, Dorrin? I can’t believe that Effrenata is the only nation that pays attention to how differently International Law regards agreements between nations, as opposed to agreements between nations and incorporated organizations.”

The older woman smiled. “Are you being deliberately disingenuous again, Palee? Doubtless there were a few delegates there who are unaware of the different legal status of organizations, as compared to nations, in international contract law. I did notice that some delegations did not seem to have any legal staff with them.”

“And, doubtless, some are aware of the difference, but simply don’t regard it, because they are already so enmeshed in agreements with other nations that one more is hardly worth thinking about.”

“And, finally, some are quite well aware of the difference, but believe it will be to their advantage, should the international courts ever need to examine the agreement, for the agreement to have the status of an agreement between nations, rather than an agreement between their nation and an organization.”

He smiled. “I suspected that might be the case, but… oh, well. We tried.”

She nodded. “It is well within the interest of several of the nations present to see that the Council at least gets a start. Hopefully GMC’s past entanglements will not come back to haunt the Council if things get sticky. They appear to be unencumbered at the moment, in any case, and apparently they are committed to remain so, or they would not have extended their offer.”

“Besides, look at the bright side, Palee. If we were hosting the Council, we’d be getting regular visits from many of the people attending that conference. And while I can’t imagine anything more charming than showing some of them around Ceyce…”

She eyed the young man ironically, and he thought for a moment, then laughed. “Perhaps you’re right, at that, Dorrin.”

He checked his Cbox. “Ah…. Stand down. Thank goodness. Still, we’d better get home. I wonder what the trouble was?”

“We’ll find out when we get there, I’m sure.”

June smiles, 'The Federation thanks this council for their vote of confidence; we will begin construction of the headquarters building immediately,' she bows, 'If you'll excuse me, I have to contact Internal Affairs so that work can be begun as soon as possible.'

[Few points; The headquarters will be built in about 5 real-life days, and I'll post an arrival thread on it then. If anybody has any specialised needs for their diplomats, I'd appreciate it if they'd telegram me with details of it and how we'll sort out accomodation for them [in particular, I need to hear from the Hell's Bovines and NHU deligations on importing the stuff they'll need, since by the IFTA treaty I can't just buy it from them]. I'll try to TG everyone who's signed the charter the link to the HQ thread.]

Elisa smiles and gets up to follow June out, "Pleasure working with you all." She bows slightly to Count Mirbach, and smiles vaguely at Nathicana before heading out.

Count Mirbach rises. "I thank all who took part. Some nations will wish to join, but have to ratify the decision within their legislative bodies. My respects to you all; this was a dificult process but represents a triumph of diplomacy. Those who wish to remain in Lavenrunz may do so as our honoured guests. Good day." he bows slightly and withdraws from the room.

Mollari leaves, exchanging a few bows with people in the room he does not totally despise, few enough, they are.

Arriving at the embassy a while later, The first thing he does is checking on his alcohol resrves.

Damnit, When did they get the key to my private...

Sir Ilem Pauses before leaving and goes out of his way to make sure that he politely shakes everyone's hand. As he shakes June's hand he nods and say " We will have to arrange to place an embassy in your nation, I imagine we will make the ambassador the representative to the mediation council. I'm sure that the Minister of Foreign Affairs will be in touch."

He also puses as he shakes Count Mirbach's hand " Thank you for your patience Count Mirbach. I am pleased with the way things have turned out. I actually must say that I am suprised of the number of nations that actually signed the agreement. If you ever need anything please let me know and I will do what I can to help Lavenrunz."

Councillor Kham gathers himself up and returns the greetings from the other delegates, bowing gratefully to Count Mirbach. "Thank you, Count. A little rocky in places, perhas, but on the whole we have achieved much here. May the council be successful in all it is designed to accomplish."

He takes his leave, and heads back to the hotel bar. He has documents to collate before his transportation arrives... he will need caffeine. Quite a bit of it.

Nathicana smiles and nods to both June and Elisa as they leave, rises to her feet and returns a respectful bow to Mirbach, then stretches, glancing around the room.

Turning to the men accompanying her, she spoke quickly. "Andiamo, ragazzi. Ho avuto abbastanza di questo per un giorno. Noi ritorno alla mattina."

The three file in around her as she turns to go, as always. She lets out a little sigh, her brows furrowing slightly in irritation, but she says nothing more on it as they make their way back to their suite.



Translation: Let's go, boys. I've had enough of this for one day. We return in the morning.

Frieda picks up her stuff and shakes hands (or hoofs) with all the delegates. When approaching Count Mirbach, she says:
"Count, may I personally thank you for the patience and goodwill you showed to turn this conference into a sucess. We here have showed the world that, though we all may have differences, peace can still be achieved. As always, Hell Bovines will be at your disposal."

She then headed torwards the street, looking for a cab to take her to the airport.

Sverj and Margoue III shake paws and hands with the present delegates.
"May I congratulate you for the sucess this conference was. May we achieve the goal of mutual understanding between our races and cultures", Sverj said to Count Mirbach, before leaving.
Then, the non-human delegation traveled to the airport and then back to Greenfields.

OOC: forgot to wind this up!

Achefield bows formally to the Count then exchanges goodbyes with the rest of the delegates as he puts scattered pieces of papaer into a sealed folder, which he gives to his aide.

As he walks out of the hall, he hopes fervently that this was the start of something that will succeed where others have failed.

Soon though, as his car speeds back to the Chimaean Embassy, his thoughts were very definitely elsewhere...

From her room, after having recieved confirmation on several points, Nathicana sent out two handwritten letters on her personal stationary, each reading exactly the same though one was addressed to Empress Aurora von Sachshausen, and the other to Chancellor Joachim von Mirbach.


It pleases me greatly to welcome your noble nation into the ranks of the Non-Democratic Alliance. I feel this will prove in the years to come a mutually beneficial move for all parties involved, and am, I admit, quite proud to have the honor now of naming Lavenrunz and yourself, allies.

I have always been impressed with this nation, it's leadership, and it's peoples. This most recent summit has only strengthened that regard. I look forward to working with you further both within the alliance, and in this new mediation endeavor.

May God continue to watch over and bless both you and this great nation.

With warm regard,

--Nathicana D'Aquisto