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Communists and non-communists (Give your views!)

imported_ViZion
20-01-2004, 05:26
Would you join an alliance between communists and non-communists if all nations were NOT war-mongers, or "evil-empires"?

Please also feel free to (OOC) give your view on this. Please respect others views, though debate is encouraged!
Crimmond
20-01-2004, 05:27
Non.

Strange this topic comes up when my leader is in Moscow, about to discuss a treaty with the communists...
imported_The Opressive Church
20-01-2004, 05:28
No...

Communists have still lost God, and even if the Non-Communists remain in God's Good Graces, we wouldn't join such an Alliance...

besides, Alliances ultimately lead to war, and we're strictly Pacifistic.
imported_ViZion
20-01-2004, 05:35
Non.

Strange this topic comes up when my leader is in Moscow, about to discuss a treaty with the communists... Actually, I did see your post, but it wasn't in response to it. The CFA (Non-Communists) and The RBA (Communists... Yes, lead by RF) made an alliance yesterday after a member of The CFA hijacked a RBA Recruitment thread because he was bored... :)
20-01-2004, 05:41
Down with the evil communists!
imported_ViZion
20-01-2004, 05:51
"Why," cries Chiefy, Head of State of ViZion, "should Communists be condemned to death in some nations, and by others, looked at with discust just because they believe in a different way to run a nation? Sure, here in ViZion, we would not run a nation like that, but it is there belief that everyone should be equal. The Opressive Church, so, they do not believe in your God. Why is that your problem? It isn't! They believe in a different way of thinking. So, let them think that way. As long as they are not evil, they should not be shut out from the rest of the world for their views!"
20-01-2004, 06:03
Everyone thinks communists are evil because of steriotyping Communists... "Stalin killed his people" true, but that's not how it always is...
imported_ViZion
22-01-2004, 06:39
bump
22-01-2004, 08:04
We are not all bad! You are just stereotypical people, thinking communism is bad because of what happened in the 20th century in a few nations. Equalism is good.
Anhierarch
22-01-2004, 08:10
It depends on the nature of the alliance in question - economic and military, to make things slightly simpler for a moment. Not to mention the actual details of the charter.

If, for instance, one considers the International Fair Trade Agreement to be an 'alliance', then we are already part of such a ideologically mixed alliance.
Zabadasia
22-01-2004, 08:15
Zabadasia is a peaceful nation, we wish not to fight, however if someone comes to oppress us like the old empire we were once vassals to. We will fight them down to tooth and claw.
Zabadasia
22-01-2004, 08:16
Zabadasia is a peaceful nation, we wish not to fight, however if someone comes to oppress us like the old empire we were once vassals to. We will fight them down to tooth and claw.
Zabadasia
22-01-2004, 08:17
Zabadasia is a peaceful nation, we wish not to fight, however if someone comes to oppress us like the old empire we were once vassals to. We will fight them down to tooth and claw.
22-01-2004, 08:17
Communism is the evolution of humankind and of human society. The idea that communism is flawed due to the failures of its early experiments is parallel to assuming that democracy is flawed due to the fall of both Greece and Rome. All governments fall over time, but communism has the potential to better the lives of its people more than any other political system. Thus the People's Republic of James Beardsley would refuse an alliance with a capitalist nation simply because following the flawed philosophy of capitalism shows a deep lack of respect for the common man. Capitalism is a reverse sedentary effect, with both the gold and the filth filtering to the top.
Zabadasia
22-01-2004, 08:18
Zabadasia is a peaceful nation, we wish not to fight, however if someone comes to oppress us like the old empire we were once vassals to. We will fight them down to tooth and claw.
Zabadasia
22-01-2004, 08:19
Zabadasia is a peaceful nation, we wish not to fight, however if someone comes to oppress us like the old empire we were once vassals to. We will fight them down to tooth and claw.
Zabadasia
22-01-2004, 08:22
Zabadasia is a peaceful nation, we wish not to fight, however if someone comes to oppress us like the old empire we were once vassals to. We will fight them down to tooth and claw.
imported_ViZion
23-01-2004, 02:48
Communism is the evolution of humankind and of human society. The idea that communism is flawed due to the failures of its early experiments is parallel to assuming that democracy is flawed due to the fall of both Greece and Rome. All governments fall over time, but communism has the potential to better the lives of its people more than any other political system. Thus the People's Republic of James Beardsley would refuse an alliance with a capitalist nation simply because following the flawed philosophy of capitalism shows a deep lack of respect for the common man. Capitalism is a reverse sedentary effect, with both the gold and the filth filtering to the top. There we go again, except for you have things against good economied nations. *sigh* Will humanity ever learn?
The Fedral Union
23-01-2004, 02:52
Would you join an alliance between communists and non-communists if all nations were NOT war-mongers, or "evil-empires"?

Please also feel free to (OOC) give your view on this. Please respect others views, though debate is encouraged!

The Fedral Union would like to join this allince .
The Fedral Union
23-01-2004, 02:53
(Deated due to double post )
The Fedral Union
23-01-2004, 02:54
Would you join an alliance between communists and non-communists if all nations were NOT war-mongers, or "evil-empires"?

Please also feel free to (OOC) give your view on this. Please respect others views, though debate is encouraged!

The Fedral Union would like to join this allince .
The Fedral Union
23-01-2004, 02:54
(Deated)
The Eastern Bloc
23-01-2004, 02:59
We are not all bad! You are just stereotypical people, thinking communism is bad because of what happened in the 20th century in a few nations. Equalism is good.

That "what happened in the 20th century" consists of over 47 million people dying in Russia, not to mention countless other Eastern Bloc nations.

While I am actually quasi-Communistic in my beliefs, I have to admit hearing about 47 million dead people in a Communist country does kind of irk the old brain. Still though, if the only reason communism's bad is because "they're gonna take yer land away," then that's pretty dumb.

While Communism does rely on an almost totalitarian hold on the populace in the beginning of constructing a Communist society, eventually there would be no need for a government at all. Or if there was, it would be governed soley by the people.

Come on guys... different ideas are good. :wink:
23-01-2004, 03:03
NEVER! Never will Blessed and Holy Istar debase itself by aligning itself with the godless reds! Communism is a sin in the eyes of the Gods of Light and those who would dwell in the paradise beyond the stars, the blessed afterlife of Paladine will do well to fight the sin of Communism!


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Russian Forces
23-01-2004, 03:17
In Russia we allow religion. The only reason why communism failed is because Paranoid capitalists or religious fanatics isloated us. You claim you follow god in capiatlist nations but look... Athiests numbers are growing.....

I Vladimir Putin is a Russian Orthodox follower.
Russian Forces
23-01-2004, 03:18
In Russia we allow religion. The only reason why communism failed is because Paranoid capitalists or religious fanatics isloated us. You claim you follow god in capiatlist nations but look... Athiests numbers are growing.....

I Vladimir Putin is a Russian Orthodox follower.
imported_ViZion
23-01-2004, 03:19
Would you join an alliance between communists and non-communists if all nations were NOT war-mongers, or "evil-empires"?

Please also feel free to (OOC) give your view on this. Please respect others views, though debate is encouraged!

The Fedral Union would like to join this allince .

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=116939 Please visit here for the alliance between The CFA (non-communist) and The RBA (communist), I am speaking with RF, who leads The RBA, to see if we will for sure be accepting others into the alliance, as we have gotten some requests to join.
Hell Bovines
23-01-2004, 03:30
While Hell Bovines is a proud socialist and marxist nation, is also a very tolerant one.
An example of this are our foreign relations, as our allies are both socialist and capitalist.
If we could we would gladly join this alliance, but as we are already part of the Non-Human Union (NHU), we can't.
However, from our humble position, we give our support to this alliance and hope it goes well.
(BTW, if you want to defend non-human rights, you can join the NHU! We also acept both capitalists and socialists)
Best wishes

Mooo IV, Duque of Hell Bovines