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The Triple Alliance is growing in strength! Already they can consume all if they wanted. They would also love to killed socialists and Communist. Especially alliance groups like the Reich and GDODAD. I ask you to join the Allied Socialist Defence Union for the sake of your people. This way we may unite and can stand up to fascists everywhere!

Workers unite!

Vladimir Putin

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We are interested, though the Kanabian military is primarily based around its own defence. However, we can provide logistical support, a motor-rifle brigade and several fighter squadrons.

no worries comrade.

I'll PM you ASAP. Welcome board though :D

Speaking as a representative and the temporary leader of the Comintern, I would like to suggest that our two alliances work together for the good of preserving Communist and Socialist ideals.

If you wish I will discuss among the other Comintern member nations about some sort of official alliance between our two groups as to bolster our defenses, as the forces of Fascism and Nazism seem to unfortunately be gaining strength, furthermore by the apathetic nature of bourgeious democracies when dealing with them.

Premier V. Kaust of Plenzonia

Im interested in this alliance. I think it would be better if we can unite. That way we will be even more powerful.

Im interested in this alliance. I think it would be better if we can unite. That way we will be even more powerful.

Supposed to be posting as a puppet, eh RF?

No Puppet comrade. This alliance will one day be powerful enough to rid nationstates of GDODAD. Just you watch. The Workers will win and there is nothing you can do about it.

No Puppet comrade.

You sure? It sounds like that post was supposed to be coming from another nation, that way it would appear your alliance is getting stronger.

I was talking about having our two coalitions uniting. Now let us be fascist.

Now let us be fascist.

Feel free, I'm not stopping you.

well thank you Damien. At least you have your manners. :lol:

Russian Forces, I would recommend that you do not join forces with GDODAD. They are highly unpopular in the international community.

well thank you Damien. At least you have your manners. :lol:

Just remember, ignorance is bliss! :wink: :)

I didn't say we're joining them. I don't trust them. The Left Wing people hate them.

well thank you Damien. At least you have your manners. :lol:

Just remember, ignorance is bliss! :wink: :)

not in a socialist world. :)

Communism and socialism are pitiful ideals, suitable only for the weak and cowardly. Let the unwashed masses gather around the banners of communism. When they find that they are no better off than before, the so-called alliance will fall apart like a deck of cards.

Oppresion is not forced upon the masses, it is embraced by the weak.

Your society runs like a pig farm. The farmer which is the dictator and the pigs which are the politicians and the food is the people.

Communism and socialism are pitiful ideals, suitable only for the weak and cowardly. Let the unwashed masses gather around the banners of communism. When they find that they are no better off than before, the so-called alliance will fall apart like a deck of cards.

Oppresion is not forced upon the masses, it is embraced by the weak.

Pretty little rhetoric; it's fairly obvious you have no idea what your talking about so I'll forgive your ignorance. Next time, however, you would be wise to be better learned about something rather then arbitrarily bash it due to years of carefully grown ignorance and propaganda.

Your society runs like a pig farm. The farmer which is the dictator and the pigs which are the politicians and the food is the people.

Perhaps a less flattering analogy than I would appreciate, but accurate nontheless.

A pig farm yes, a highly efficient, industrialized pig farm. Where the pigs are trained to be obedient, and the food is rich. When the time of harvest comes, the coffers always fill quickly. The "farmer" sits on his golden throne in the high tower, overlooking his dominion, smug in the knowledge that neither the pigs (nor the food :lol: ) will ever be the wiser.

Would you rather run your society like the desert safari? Where the pigs must root through the dusty grass for grubs, ever fearful of the lurking hyenas? Never knowing when death blow will come, not even able to think about when the next meal will come.

Pretty little rhetoric; it's fairly obvious you have no idea what your talking about so I'll forgive your ignorance. Next time, however, you would be wise to be better learned about something rather then arbitrarily bash it due to years of carefully grown ignorance and propaganda.

ooc: assuming that that was an ooc statement, since it certainly appears to be one, please note the absence of an ooc tag, which would render it to be an ic statement. What that means, is my staement happens to be of an ic belief. Besides, its not "arbitrary bashing", name me one ideologically pure communist society that has managed to survive beyond the first generation. Hell, name me one that has been established at all.

But....if you were refering to my ic ignorance, I suppose you can ignore the entire rant above :wink:

Good to see you admit what your nation is like.

In a Communist or Socialist society the pigs,cows,chickens and Ducks can all live in harmony as one group. The Farmer is their guide to provide the food and benefits of the Peoples system.

The Desert Safari sounds like a Nazi system.

Your society runs like a pig farm. The farmer which is the dictator and the pigs which are the politicians and the food is the people.

Perhaps a less flattering analogy than I would appreciate, but accurate nontheless.

A pig farm yes, a highly efficient, industrialized pig farm. Where the pigs are trained to be obedient, and the food is rich. When the time of harvest comes, the coffers always fill quickly. The "farmer" sits on his golden throne in the high tower, overlooking his dominion, smug in the knowledge that neither the pigs (nor the food :lol: ) will ever be the wiser.

Would you rather run your society like the desert safari? Where the pigs must root through the dusty grass for grubs, ever fearful of the lurking hyenas? Never knowing when death blow will come, not even able to think about when the next meal will come.

Well what is interesting is if the pigs may show a little disobedience and for that they might go on a rampage when things don't turn out right. The Farmer will lose his money and the food can not be provided which will kill the pigs off.

ooc: assuming that that was an ooc statement, since it certainly appears to be one, please note the absence of an ooc tag, which would render it to be an ic statement. What that means, is my staement happens to be of an ic belief. Besides, its not "arbitrary bashing", name me one ideologically pure communist society that has managed to survive beyond the first generation. Hell, name me one that has been established at all.

But....if you were refering to my ic ignorance, I suppose you can ignore the entire rant above :wink:

OOC: It was In character (I made a slight implied generaliztion that all the leaders of your nation were taught when they were young that communism is an ineffective horrible thing filled with various lies), although I don't want to start a huge debate over communism, the simple fact is that is WAS never established at all, and therefore it can't be judged for better or worse, however the BEST established governments in the world speaking OOC in my opinion are socialist democracies which work very well. In the end the success of a chosen ideal is that which fits the people in that nation, some can handle socialism, some who never felt freedom require strict dictatorship and can only move to a less authotarian government by very slow gradual process (a problem with modern Russia). I didn't mean to insult you OOC, usually my insults would be more obvious so sorry if I got under your skin.

Good to see you admit what your nation is like.

In a Communist or Socialist society the pigs,cows,chickens and Ducks can all live in harmony as one group. The Farmer is their guide to provide the food and benefits of the Peoples system.

The Desert Safari sounds like a Nazi system.

We have no illusions about our system. So long as the masses remain ignorant of their so-called "downtrodden" state, who is to say that they are not blissful? If one woul recall one of the mottos from the greatest socialistic society ever - ignorance is bliss.

You claim that all your animals live in harmony, it is obvious that you have never run a farm before. Throw together such animals, and they will grow uneasy and restless. Soon the social order will breakdown as the stronger species begins to establish dominance and terrorize the others in the farmers absence. Or does your farmer exact cruel punishment to prevent such occurances? What what do you do when it comes time to slaughter? Will you simply let the farm continue to support the indulgences of your stock until it becomes too much to bear? We look foward to buying you out.

Good to see you admit what your nation is like.

In a Communist or Socialist society the pigs,cows,chickens and Ducks can all live in harmony as one group. The Farmer is their guide to provide the food and benefits of the Peoples system.

The Desert Safari sounds like a Nazi system.

We have no illusions about our system. So long as the masses remain ignorant of their so-called "downtrodden" state, who is to say that they are not blissful? If one woul recall one of the mottos from the greatest socialistic society ever - ignorance is bliss.

You claim that all your animals live in harmony, it is obvious that you have never run a farm before. Throw together such animals, and they will grow uneasy and restless. Soon the social order will breakdown as the stronger species begins to establish dominance and terrorize the others in the farmers absence. Or does your farmer exact cruel punishment to prevent such occurances? What what do you do when it comes time to slaughter? Will you simply let the farm continue to support the indulgences of your stock until it becomes too much to bear? We look foward to buying you out.

Interesting enough but Humans can tolerate other races more than animals dispite genocides that have happened throughout history. In this case the farmer will punish the ones who would dare be racist. They would be removed for the sake of keeping stability.

OOC: It was In character........<the important part>

ooc: not a problem. I've been jumped before for such statements. So sometimes I have to check before it gets out of hand. Politics is just one of those times. No insult taken - continuing polite name calling :wink:

ic:

RF: bad pigs are removed before they can influence the others. Their disappearance(s) and a "coincidental" change in the food's "flavor" goes a long way towards keeping the other pigs inline.

Plez: Your forgiveness is neither desired nor appreciated. What you call ignorance and propaganda is merely the humble voice of truth - unsoiled by your filthy lies and twisted views.

Thats why its best not to give the pigs too much power. The Food deserves the say.

Interesting enough but Humans can tolerate other races more than animals dispite genocides that have happened throughout history. In this case the farmer will punish the ones who would dare be racist. They would be removed for the sake of keeping stability.

Humans have shown themselves to be little better than the starving wolves of the tundra - always ready to fall upon their comrade at first sign of weakness. It is good that the farmer punishes and removes those disturbing the peace - soon there will be no animals save but one kind. Ultimately proving me to be right. My system is far more efficient.

Natural selection dictates that the strong survive.

Thats why its best not to give the pigs too much power. The Food deserves the say.

The pigs hold no power, but the power to eat food. The food remains there to be eaten. The farmer always has the final word.

edit: ooc: sleep bekons, otherwise I'd be more than happy to spar some more, ciao 8)

OOC: goodnight

Well its best to remove people who create the hate among the ethnic groups. Destroying ethnic groups would some times bring in animal cruelty inspectors to bring the farmer down.

Speaking as a representative and the temporary leader of the Comintern, I would like to suggest that our two alliances work together for the good of preserving Communist and Socialist ideals.

If you wish I will discuss among the other Comintern member nations about some sort of official alliance between our two groups as to bolster our defenses, as the forces of Fascism and Nazism seem to unfortunately be gaining strength, furthermore by the apathetic nature of bourgeious democracies when dealing with them.

Premier V. Kaust of Plenzonia

Hear Hear Comrade Kaust !!

The Peoples Socialist Republic of Hogsweat will gladly join this alliance.

Glad to hear comrade! Together we can surely defend our ideals.

In a Communist or Socialist society the pigs,cows,chickens and Ducks can all live in harmony as one group. The Farmer is their guide to provide the food and benefits of the Peoples system.

...and all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

true.

OOC:Sketch,
You say again and again that our communist, and socialist nations will fall apart. But tell me, what are you using as an example? According to the Karl Marx theory (The true theory of communism AND socialism), there has not yet been a trully socialist, or communist, nation. Cuba came closest, before being blockaded. Then Castro went a bit...yea, anywany, you have no reason to say our nations will die. I'm a democratic socialist, and look at my nation. High stats on all three fronts. So tell me, how isn't my system of government working?

Enough with this debate over communism/socialism. If any of you actually read Karl Marx's book, I'd love to continue the discussion, but until then, it's just going to be spouts of Soviet Union propoganda, and then US propoganda, from 30 years ago.

IC:
FPS would be interested in this alliance, but could you be a bit more specific about what the alliance will be doing? Are we against democrocies as well? Or only natsi's and fascists. Just some information on what I'm getting myself in to, if you don't mind.

Our group is mostly a alliance to provide security for each other when times of war come. Since in Nationstates the Socialists and Communists are scattered it comes to my attention we must unite since the right wingers are becoming even more powerful and bringing down democracies, Socialists and Communists. We have nothing exactly against democracy but we don't trust capitalists too much. So if you're interested... join up. Hope to see you in our region.

Communism leads to a powerful econmy. Everyone is only truly equal when rights are given as felt needed, not thrown around like a civil rights love fest. (The one category I would feel werid being put under). Nations put out there propoganada about communism when they themselfs have never attempted the system.

OOC: Just curious but which books specifically are you referring to, Das Kapital, The Manifesto, The German Idealogy, or any of his many other writings? Just curious as small minor things change when people write over time, and ideas get tweaked a bit as a reflection of a person's life and (sometimes) conflict with writings earlier in life, this isn't so much for Marx but I think for other socialist writers who earlier in life weren't socialist or communist.

Why did I start on this rant again...oh well I don't remember, I guess I like hearing myself talk to much heh.

I still thought the "triple alliance" was secret...

I still thought the "triple alliance" was secret...
:roll: Technically, IC, it is... :roll:

OOC: I'd really be worried if the American Democratic Party members saw this thread. Of course you would have to acknowledge Howard Dean as at least a Commissar.

OOC:Sketch,
You say again and again that our communist, and socialist nations will fall apart. But tell me, what are you using as an example? According to the Karl Marx theory (The true theory of communism AND socialism), there has not yet been a trully socialist, or communist, nation. Cuba came closest, before being blockaded. Then Castro went a bit...yea, anywany, you have no reason to say our nations will die. I'm a democratic socialist, and look at my nation. High stats on all three fronts. So tell me, how isn't my system of government working?

Enough with this debate over communism/socialism. If any of you actually read Karl Marx's book, I'd love to continue the discussion, but until then, it's just going to be spouts of Soviet Union propoganda, and then US propoganda, from 30 years ago.

IC:
FPS would be interested in this alliance, but could you be a bit more specific about what the alliance will be doing? Are we against democrocies as well? Or only natsi's and fascists. Just some information on what I'm getting myself in to, if you don't mind.

ooc: Ummmmm, ok. Please note that except for one post, every statement that I have made has been IC. And, for your information, I have read the "Manifesto", as well as Mein Kampf, and several other pieces of poloitical literature (granted, all translated versions).

I fail to understand your logic, you ask me to give a RL example when I have already presented one (assuming you are getting on my case for that one post) and yet you use your nation on NS as an example of an idea system in an ooc argument. I fail to see how, in any shape, way or form, that your nation could possible represent a RL system. If this game was a realization of RL systems....I'd hate to see a RL "iron fist consumerist".

So yeah, since all my anti-socialist spouting were ic statements, I have every right so say what the hell I want to. If you want to continue the OOC philosolizing of socialism communism, I suggest that you take it elsewhere.

See Plenzonia? I told you that people jump on me for my IC statements....... :roll:

ic: As far as we are concerned, communism/socialism and democracy are the same - helplessly corrupted and overburdened by unnecessary ideals.

It is not necessary to try something "on for size", when one already knows that it does not fit. Attempting to utilize a system which is known to be flawed is an invitation for disaster.

Letila is working to oppose right wing ideologies. We might fight the gdodad soon.

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"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

IC:We of course could survive a nuclear war, but would have to live in tunnels thousands of feet below the ground. Since it would take over 100 years before the radiation levels on the surface became low enough for us to return. There would be plenty of time to expand our tunnels and make our situation more comfortable.

People would not be saddened by the loss of so many on the surface, but would instead regard the past with nostaliga, and look foward with eagerness to the adventure of the future.

Women would of course be chosen for their athletic abilities, and since it would be necessary to quickly repopulate, would also require an appearance that is sexually stimulating. The traditional rules of marriage would no longer apply, polygamy would become necessary in order to perserve the future.

The men would be chosen from among the leaders of government, industry and the military.

[Dr. Strangelove, Or, How I stopped worrying and learned to love the bomb.]

In a Communist or Socialist society the pigs,cows,chickens and Ducks can all live in harmony as one group. The Farmer is their guide to provide the food and benefits of the Peoples system.

...and all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Animal Farm quote ?

Animal Farm only failed because they needed someone strong in charge, and that person in charge was strong, but corrupt and not true to communism.