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Under the Decree of the Emperor the office of Unconventional Warfare has laid down plans for increasing the Empires nuclear arsenal to over 70 thousand warheads. This comes after a 30 year lax of nuclear research and development(OOC:because of Imperial decree to develop untraceable superviruses which 2 were developed.) The current plans for development include the construction of another 1000 SAT launched missiles including 12 more 300 megaton nuclear weapons(only 12 have been built so far and the price tag for one warhead not counting launcher and satelite is approx 4 billion dollars.) THe other 29000 thousand nukes will be a mix between, pocket&suitcase, tactical and ICBM varient weapons.

Since the Navy has refused to increase the number of SSBNs, the air force will begin to field railway car nukes. Approx. 2000 ICBMs will be fitted to launchers on trains going througout Belem to make it more difficult for foreign forces to destroy Belems nuclear strike capability.

The program is expected to take 10 years for all weapons excluding the 300 megaton weapons. Those will be produced at the rate of two a year for 6 years after the main project is complete.

bumpers

OOC: *Cough* GODMODING *COUGH* IMPOSSIBLE *Cough* Some one else please inform this person that it is unfeasable and quite possibly impossible to create a 300 megaton weapon. Obviously you know nothing about the logistics of producing nuclear weapons. It took the United States a trillion or so dollars for its arsenal. This would exhaust you nation and turn it into the late 1980's soviet union economically. Nuclear Weapons are such a Godmoding thing to do. Are you too much of a wuss to actually use conventional weapons?

OOC: according to FAS.org the U.S. produced a total of 70 thousand warheads during the cold war the U.S. only mainted stocks of a max of 20 thousand nukes at any one time though.
The 300 Megaton nuke is a fusion bomb that uses a laser trigger to create an extremely hot reaction. Ill try to dig up the post where I created it but I think it got deleted because of no posting for 60 days.
Also my country is significantly larger then the U.S. and the U.S. produced 20 thousand nukes in about 30 years before nuclear disarmament treaties.

To the most ilustrious nation of Belem.

The construction of 70,000 warheads is an unheard of achievement. The amount of radioactive material for this task would be enormous, as well as the funding.
And please educate a new nation, but where is there room to SAFELY store 70000 nuclear warheads?

The Republic of The Zakarum

Well we already have 40 thousand constructed from before and this is the first aggressive campaign of enlargement. And they will be stored in silos across the country.

Right............... :roll:

The Belem dream:

Deformed wife, 2.5 kids (literally), a six legged dog, and a silo in the backyard.

Oh honey, the tax collector's here to get your third kidney! I hope you didn't trade it for another drink, we need to pay the dues.

OOC

Nothing wrong with having lots of n00kz. I do. They're really a last-ditch defense...... against say, lots of n00kz. But I wouldn't want to have to use them in an RP.

Forgive me for my ignorance.......but what good does 70,000 nuclear weapons do? I mean once you have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world 50 or 60 times over, why do you need more?

Ryan Jordan
President of Watertest

Forgive me for my ignorance.......but what good does 70,000 nuclear weapons do? I mean once you have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world 50 or 60 times over, why do you need more?

Ryan Jordan
President of Watertest

It's part of a Guinness NS World Record attempt. :lol:

OOC: Wow. I'm 400 million people bigger then you, and I only have 13,000 warheads (most tactical)

Dude, you get scarier by the post.

OOC: Wow. I'm 400 million people bigger then you, and I only have 13,000 warheads (most tactical)

Dude, you get scarier by the post.

well someone has to be the bad guy:)

OOC: Wow. I'm 400 million people bigger then you, and I only have 13,000 warheads (most tactical)

Dude, you get scarier by the post.

well someone has to be the bad guy:)

Forgive me for my ignorance.......but what good does 70,000 nuclear weapons do? I mean once you have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world 50 or 60 times over, why do you need more?

Ryan Jordan
President of Watertest

It's part of a Guinness NS World Record attempt. :lol:

whats the record anyway?

bump

300 MT nuclear weapons!!!!!

The precision involved in manufacturing something like this would be unbelievable and impossible.

Not to mention that it would be useless as a weapon. A 20 MT nuke would totally blow away the largest cities in the world. The Soviet SS-18 Mod 3 Satan missile was 26 megatons, and they only built 26 missiles, designed to strike hardened underground missile silos.

Sure, its fine if you want a mushroom cloud that goes into space, and a crater the size of belgium. And a guaranteed nuclear winter.

well its designed to wipe out entire nations with 1 bomb.

An online calculator for nuclear destruction at 300 megatons gurantees everything within 100 miles to be vaporized. Fires for another fifty miles and searing heat for another 50. And I believe permanent blindness for 100 miles after that anyone who was looking at the explosion and a shockwave going across the distance of Europe.

A 300 megaton weapon is possible, but it would have to have either several layers of fusion warheads, or be an antimatter weapon.

The post I made describing it got gobbled up by the auto forum deleter. Im trying to find the file on my computer for it but it was basically a laser ignited fusion bomb that uses a chemical reaction to obtain extreme heat to cause a massive reaxtion.

where is this online calculator?

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html go to science then nuclear calculator. This is an OK calculator it doesnt have vaporization range.

Im trying to find the good one with vaporization range.

Now, while I've issues with Belem I don't have issues with these warhead counts - consider Cold War-era USA at the height of nukewanking and how that nation would be quantified in NS. But note that maintenance costs will also be huge, and that delivery systems are anything but cheap.



As for 300Mt weapons, the Tsar Bomba weapon as tested yielded 50Mt, and could trivially have been made into a c. 100Mt weapon had there been a third fission stage present instead of inert material. Now, these sorts of things are huge and delivering them will be a definite problem. Tsar Bomba was delivered by a customized Bear bomber that could barely carry it, IIRC.



Anyways, fusion weapons should scale fairly nicely. And I'd be hypocritical to whine since I claim a small inventory of >100Mt weapons to be used in killing threats like runaway nano.



As for www.stardestroyer.net, that site is generally quite idiotic. Consider, for instance, that an OMG MULTIGIGATON YIELD blast from a Star Destroyer, impacting on a ship, makes some sparks fly and a ship in the tens of thousands of tons mass range shake a bit. Oh, and check the visible blasts from a fleet action a few thousand at most km off...



The Nuclear Weapons FAQ at http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq0.html, specifically the descriptions of destructive radii at http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/Nfaq5.html, seem more credible. By those, a 300Mt detonation would kill by thermal effects out to c. 120km - of course this would call for an airburst.

Forgive me for my ignorance.......but what good does 70,000 nuclear weapons do? I mean once you have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world 50 or 60 times over, why do you need more?

Ryan Jordan
President of Watertest

Technically, NS Earth is the size of jupiter... that many nukes, although powerful, would only be able to contaminate 1/5 of NS Earth with it's massive volume. Not to mention the fact that there are so many anti-nuke platforms in space any of these nukes would be lucky to re-enter the atmospere.

*stares*

Yn has one hundred and eleven nuclear weapons, and we consider that quite enough as dissuasive force.

Under the Decree of the Emperor the office of Unconventional Warfare has laid down plans for increasing the Empires nuclear arsenal to over 70 thousand warheads. This comes after a 30 year lax of nuclear research and development(OOC:because of Imperial decree to develop untraceable superviruses which 2 were developed.) The current plans for development include the construction of another 1000 SAT launched missiles including 12 more 300 megaton nuclear weapons(only 12 have been built so far and the price tag for one warhead not counting launcher and satelite is approx 4 billion dollars.) THe other 29000 thousand nukes will be a mix between, pocket&suitcase, tactical and ICBM varient weapons.

Since the Navy has refused to increase the number of SSBNs, the air force will begin to field railway car nukes. Approx. 2000 ICBMs will be fitted to launchers on trains going througout Belem to make it more difficult for foreign forces to destroy Belems nuclear strike capability.

The program is expected to take 10 years for all weapons excluding the 300 megaton weapons. Those will be produced at the rate of two a year for 6 years after the main project is complete.

Danneland has always been very strict on the matter with Nuclear weapons, or any other WMDs. We are repulsed by this act and all Belem citizent in danneland are arrested and shipped out of our country.
70.000 plus your allready existing warheads is reason enough.
We do not wish to wage war against Belem, but on the other hand, we dont want anything to do with it either.

I'm glad you are in our alliance. We deny all rumours of a 500mt warhead called Apocalyse.

:o

Okay Im sick of hearing about how NS Earth is as big as Jupiter. It isn't.

Gravity for NS Earth is 9.8 m/s/s.

There are 24 hours in a NS Earth day.

It doesn't take years to travel NS Earth by ship.

It doesn't take days to fly around NS Earth in a plane.

The only reason there is that concept is because there are 100,000 nations or so. But you have no need to recognize all 100k nations. You will never interact with the vast majority of them... whatsoever. So by default, you already 'ignore' the vast majority of them. Plus all the ones that exist in different timeframes, and different universes/realities/solar systems. For any nation, there are really only a few hundred nations. (Unless you're considering the region crashing universe, which is totally different and physics doesn't matter there since there is no RP there.)

It makes far more sense to have NS Earth as Earth sized, unless of course you're making a map of all 100,000 nations. Good luck with that.

Some go with that opinion, I prefer the "NS Earth as vast Lovecraftian construct". That interpretation also allows you to ignore the whole world map idea since a world map would drive you mad anyway.