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mosquito fighter enters development

Belem
11-01-2004, 05:16
The Imperial Air Force is proud to Announce the development of the Mosquito fighter. The Fighter which has been dubbed the "militia fighter" is an extreme short range interceptor. The Fighter is designed to be used in defending the Belem Mainland against enemy bombers. The fighters are going to be built for under a million apiece and will have a maximun combat range of 300 miles, after that they will have to turn back to ensure they have enough fuel to land.

Specs are as follows

Engine: 25 thousand pound thrust engine.
Crew: 1 pilot, minimal training.
Armaments: 4 .50 cal nose mounted cannons.
4 hardpoints for short to medium range missiles.
Max Speed: 1.2 mach
Lenght: 20 feet feet.
Max Ceiling: 75 thousand feet.
Radar: short range 50 mile system
Main purpose: Anti Bomber fighter which uses swarm tactics to overwhelm enemy bomber squadrons as more mainstream fighters engage the escorts.
Cost: just under 1 million dollars.
Nianacio
11-01-2004, 05:25
There goes my monopoly on the outrageously cheap fighter market. :(
My jet's primary mission is CAS, so yours beats it in speed, altitude, and radar range, but loses in a bunch of other ways.
Jeruselem
11-01-2004, 05:29
20 feet aircraft. That's small :)

Can we order 5 for trials as a new training craft for rookies?
Belem
11-01-2004, 05:37
There goes my monopoly on the outrageously cheap fighter market. :(
My jet's primary mission is CAS, so yours beats it in speed, altitude, and radar range, but loses in a bunch of other ways.

cas?
Belem
11-01-2004, 05:37
20 feet aircraft. That's small :)

Can we order 5 for trials as a new training craft for rookies?

its a 1 seater not good for training but if you really want them sure.
Nianacio
11-01-2004, 05:40
cas?Close Air Support
Soviet Haaregrad
11-01-2004, 05:47
:evil: -double posts should die-
Soviet Haaregrad
11-01-2004, 05:47
This might just be me, but that aircraft would still be around 5 million(which would still be a deal).

Used MiG 21s cost ~$1 000 000.

Also, if you're going against bombers a 25+mm cannon is the only way to do it. WWII experianced showed .50 cal machine guns were too weak to harm large fighters, let alone bombers.

I'd arm this with a 37/40mm cannon, 2x 20/23/25mm cannons and 2/4x AIM-9/AA-11 missiles. Maybe 2/4x AIM-7/AIM-120/AA-10/AA-12 too.

Make it bigger too, like at least as long as a Spitfire or a Sabre.
Soviet Haaregrad
11-01-2004, 05:49
This might just be me, but that aircraft would still be around 5 million(which would still be a deal).

Used MiG 21s cost ~$1 000 000.

Also, if you're going against bombers a 25+mm cannon is the only way to do it. WWII experianced showed .50 cal machine guns were too weak to harm large fighters, let alone bombers.

I'd arm this with a 37/40mm cannon, 2x 20/23/25mm cannons and 2/4x AIM-9/AA-11 missiles. Maybe 2/4x AIM-7/AIM-120/AA-10/AA-12 too.

Make it bigger too, like at least as long as a Spitfire or a Sabre.

CAS = Close Air Support
COIN = COunter INsurgency
Slagkattunger
11-01-2004, 05:51
Ummm change the name to include the word Jet because this is a Mosquito fighter: -

http://www.aikensairplanes.com/images/C32803_NFII_Mosquito.JPG
Belem
11-01-2004, 05:52
k thanks ill check about the cannon thing.
Nianacio
11-01-2004, 05:55
Used MiG 21s cost ~$1 000 000.I read the Chinese were going to be selling a modern variant of the MiG-21 for $1 million. :?
k thanks ill check about the cannon thing.OOC: Look at this (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/WW2guneffect.htm) article.
Ah, I just helped a competitor!
Jeruselem
11-01-2004, 05:57
About the cannon, putting anything larger than 30 mm cannons could be dodgy as the bigger rounds have more recoil which affect small aircraft more. Maybe one nose-mounted 20mm Vulcan cannon (like the US aircraft) or a twin 20mm set?

From memory, insect names used on aircraft - gnat, mosquito, wasp, hornet.
Belem
11-01-2004, 05:58
heh thanks niancio.

anyone know the size of a spitfire
Nianacio
11-01-2004, 06:02
heh thanks niancio.You're welcome.
anyone know the size of a spitfireNo, but this (http://www.aviation-history.com/supermarine/spitfire.html) site gives dimensions for two versions. Both are longer and taller than the German jet fighter my jet's dimensions are copied from. :shock:

That particular fighter was to be armed with four 30mm cannons.
11-01-2004, 06:02
I'll buy one please.- Thank you p.s can I get a reciept for it
Jeruselem
11-01-2004, 06:05
heh thanks niancio.

anyone know the size of a spitfire

Too much detail, but

Dimensions:
Wing span:
Typical: 36 ft. 10 in. (11.23m)
Clipped: 32 ft. 2 in.
Clipped (More Common): 32 ft. 7 in. (9.93m)
Extended: 40 ft. 2 in. (12.24m)
Length:
Early Models: 29 ft. 11 in. (9.12m)
Later, 2-stage engine: 31 ft. 3.5 in. (9.54m)
Griffon engine: 32 ft. 8 in. (9.96m)
Final: 34 ft. 4 in. (10.46m)
Height:
Typical: 11 ft. 5 in. (3.48m)
Griffon Engine: 12 ft. 9 in. (3.89m)
Wing Surface Area: N/A
Soviet Haaregrad
11-01-2004, 06:06
Ummm change the name to include the word Jet because this is a Mosquito fighter: -

http://www.aikensairplanes.com/images/C32803_NFII_Mosquito.JPG

Actually that's a medium bomber/recon and strike plane. It never operated as a fighter except at night, and WWII era night fighters had nothing in common with normal fighters(except the P-38 ).
Soviet Haaregrad
11-01-2004, 06:19
About the cannon, putting anything larger than 30 mm cannons could be dodgy as the bigger rounds have more recoil which affect small aircraft more. Maybe one nose-mounted 20mm Vulcan cannon (like the US aircraft) or a twin 20mm set?

From memory, insect names used on aircraft - gnat, mosquito, wasp, hornet.

My idea for cannons came from the MiG 15/17. The MiG 17 performed just fine with it's 37mm cannon.
Jeruselem
11-01-2004, 06:25
About the cannon, putting anything larger than 30 mm cannons could be dodgy as the bigger rounds have more recoil which affect small aircraft more. Maybe one nose-mounted 20mm Vulcan cannon (like the US aircraft) or a twin 20mm set?

From memory, insect names used on aircraft - gnat, mosquito, wasp, hornet.

My idea for cannons came from the MiG 15/17. The MiG 17 performed just fine with it's 37mm cannon.

Guess, you're right about that. With say 37 mm ammo, you can store less rounds than 20mm rounds. With smaller rounds, you can store and use more. It would also have a lower rate of fire.

The Mig 15 had 1 37 mm cannon and two 23mm cannons.
Soviet Haaregrad
11-01-2004, 06:40
About the cannon, putting anything larger than 30 mm cannons could be dodgy as the bigger rounds have more recoil which affect small aircraft more. Maybe one nose-mounted 20mm Vulcan cannon (like the US aircraft) or a twin 20mm set?

From memory, insect names used on aircraft - gnat, mosquito, wasp, hornet.

My idea for cannons came from the MiG 15/17. The MiG 17 performed just fine with it's 37mm cannon.

Guess, you're right about that. With say 37 mm ammo, you can store less rounds than 20mm rounds. With smaller rounds, you can store and use more. It would also have a lower rate of fire.

The Mig 15 had 1 37 mm cannon and two 23mm cannons.

Yeah, I'd said for Belem 1x 37/40mm and and 2x 20/23/25mm. Good call? :P