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The People's Republic of New Krutenia, acting as envoy of one of the below-mentioned nations, sends this invitation to alliance.

The nations are:

Agrigento
Aquilla
Garrison II
Iansisle
Jangle Jangle Ridge
Nanakaland
Sentient Peoples
Steel Butterfly
Squornshelous
The Resi Corporation
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The charter of the alliance is as follows:

1. If a member of the alliance declares war, or is declared war upon, and requests the help of the alliance, all nations in the alliance are required to help.
2. There shall be no tariffs or trade barriers between the nations of the alliance.
3. The nations of the alliance shall not complain about government policies of the other alliance members.
4. Should a member of the alliance be in need of money, and accepts a loan from another alliance member, no interest shall be charged.
5. If a member of the alliance fails to do the above, they shall be expelled, immediately if you break #1, and after three chances if you break any others.

No name shall be given to the alliance as of yet, but one will be given eventually.

If you want to have special exceptions to the rules, say so in your reply.

"This is direct defamation and calumny against the Empire and possibly against the nine other nations noted. My client, the Steel-Orion Empire, will seek damages. If there is not a court mutally agreed on to try the case, the Empire will most likely recieve the damages by other means. Please, solve this peacefully."

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Jack McCoy
Attorney at Law
Representative of:
The Steel-Orion Empire

Did they do this without consent of other nations, because clearly, if a lot of nations combine to clean up this union, they would be screwed

[OOC: I never signed up for or even heard of this alliance. I'm in no way involved with it. Saying so defames the quality of my IC empire. Therefore, I'm seeking IC damages.]

New Krutenia was not working on our behalf.

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The Federation of Sentient Peoples (http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~darion.c.smith/)
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#2 Jameston Place
Ianapalis, Iansisle, the Commonwealth

Alfredo D’Carlonia looked up in annoyance as his intercom terminal buzzed. He considered it for a moment, then jabbed it quickly. “Yes, Anna? This had better be good.” Irritation was written all over his olive-skinned Tharian features, and he ran a hand through quickly-graying hair as he waited for the reply.

“I’m sorry to bother you, Mr. D’Carlonia, but Sir Archibald is in the antechamber. He says it’s urgent.” D’Carlonia sighed heavily again. He didn’t quite know what the Ministry of Foreign Affairs’ problem was, but they’d been the biggest nuisance ever since the T.S.P. took over the plurality. He was beginning to doubt, in fact, the Democratic-Socialists’ commitment to the coalition. However, he couldn’t very well sit and mull over domestic politics while Sir Archibald S. Hughes, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, sat outside his office.

“Very well, Anna. Send him in, please.” D’Carlonia clicked off the intercom and hurried to make himself appear busy as the massive oak door creaked open and Sir Archibald let himself in. The Prime Minister stood and reached over to shake hands. “Hello, Archie. Good to see you again. How’s the wife doing?”

“Jenny manages to keep herself busy, Alfredo,” grinned the slight Shieldian, accepting D’Carlonia’s shake with one hand and holding his fedora in the other.

“I’d believe so, with three little ones running about. How old are they now?” D’Carlonia motioned for Hughes to take a seat, then resumed his own.

“It’s hard to believe, Alfredo! They grow up so fast! Albert, my oldest, is eleven already! And he’s tall too - the doctors say he may even break six foot.” For a brief second, D’Carlonia noticed how Hughes’ face shone with paternal pride, but it was soon replaced with business-like professionalism. Reading people’s faces was one of D’Carlonia’s hobbies, and he liked to fancy himself pretty damn good at it. In fact, there was probably only one person in the entire Commonwealth that he couldn’t read like a book, and that was Hiresh Dhawan.

There it was: a little tick in Hughes’ left cheek, a slight dimming of the eyes, and now he’s ready to talk about why the hell he’s here annoying me! D’Carlonioa thought to himself, settling back in his chair as the Foreign Minister started speaking. “Well, Alfredo, I’m afraid I came here on a mission. You see, my ministry’s recently received a rather disturbing notice. We may be part of an alliance...”

“Of course,” cut in D’Carlonia with a wave of his hand. “The New Highlands. It’s all we talk about here. What’s going on - someone trying to usurp the voting process in Golden Agate again?”

“I don’t mean the New Highlands, Alfredo. I mean some...new alliance. Here, read for yourself.” Hughes flipped a simple message on plain paper across the table. D’Carlonia frowned - it was just a wired message, not even a proper diplomatic letter - and began to read.

“Soo..” started the Tharian in confusion, “are we a member of this alliance or not? I don’t remember the vote on that...”

“That’s because there hasn’t been a vote of any sort. The first I knew about this alliance was when that slip of paper you’re holding arrived. We don’t even have an embassy in half those countries, and Agrigento is the only one we could even be considered friendly with. This entire business makes no sense whatsoever...”

Hughes was cut off by D’Carlonia’s intercom, which buzzed shrilly. The two men looked at each other, then the prime minister slowly toggled the receive switch. “Anna?”

“Sorry to bother you again, sir, but Mr. Edwards from Foreign Affairs is on line one. He says he needs to talk to Sir Archibald at once.”

D’Carlonia looked up at his guest, then shrugged. “Very well. Thank you, Anna.” He reached across his desk, grabbed the phone and handed the handset to Hughes as he toggled the line one button.

“Erm, Edwards? ...yes, this is me ...you don’t say? ...yes, I’ll let him know straight away. Keep a close eye on the situation, Edwards. I’m counting on you. ...good man.” Hughes replaced the receiver with a grim look on his face. “That was my assistant,” he explained without need. “Apparently, the Steel-Orion Empire - they’re one of the other ‘signatory’ countries - has started proceedings against this ‘New Krutenia’ place on charges of defamation and calumny. They’ve even got Sam Waterston to try their case.”

“Hmph, indeed? I imagine they’ll have a hard time sticking the ‘malicious intent’ part of those charges, even with Waterston as their lawyer. Still, this situation deserves our highest attention. Let’s schedule a council meeting for tomorrow to see what we can work out. In the meantime, release a statement telling about our general confusion - that shouldn’t come as a major surprise to anyone - and our general support for Steel’s lawsuit. And I want as much information as you can get me.”

D’Carlonia and Hughes rose as one, shaking hands. “I’ll do my best, Alfredo.”

“I know, Archie. God speed.”

OCC: What did I do?

OCC: What did I do?OOC: Nothing. He is using your nation to disguise which nation he is working on behalf of. He has essentially placed you in an alliance you never joined.

Look at this thread from awhile back
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107429&highlight=

How exactly do you intend to charge a government with defamation? Do you think any incarnation of the World Court would hear a tort case? Unlikely. Furthermore, there is no authority on earth capable of compelling a nation to pay damages for speech, defaming or not, especially when your case is essentially non-existent.

The nation in question, New Krutenia, did not claim to be acting as your envoy, only as an envoy of one nation from a list. No claim was made, inside the evidence presented, that suggests anyone on the list had joined the alliance. While a foolishly written statement, nothing within qualifies as defamation save under the most repressive free speech laws, such that even if there was a court to hear your case, which there isn't, and even if that court could compel New Krutenia to pay damages, which it can't, you would still lose your case on lack of facial evidence.

Todd Andrews
International Advocates Office

The nation in question, New Krutenia, did not claim to be acting as your envoy, only as an envoy of one nation from a list.Which Steel is on.

No claim was made, inside the evidence presented, that suggests anyone on the list had joined the alliance. Correct. Because he is using their names as a shield for some reason. He nonetheless gives the false impression that they ARE members of the alliance, intending to mislead.

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Ambassador Krall'c
Head of Foriegn Relations

Correct. Because he is using their names as a shield for some reason. He nonetheless gives the false impression that they ARE members of the alliance, intending to mislead.

No court in the world would recognize this argument because there is no statement given at all, nor an insinuation, that the list is a memberlist. You are welcome to waste the time and money of your legal system on spurious and baseless torts, though perhaps a closer examination of the law would prevent this.

Todd Andrews
International Advocates Office

I got the telegram too, and the questionnaire.

This is a very curious turn of events, and if we did not have pressing matters of state elsewhere (midterms) we would participate in proceedings such that would find out the origin of this turn of events.

Letilans are defamed all the time. Sinoans constantly make fun of fatbottomed Letilan women.

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"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

The People's Republic of New Krutenia, acting as envoy of one of the below-mentioned nations, sends this invitation to alliance.

The nations are:

Agrigento
Aquilla
Garrison II
Iansisle
Jangle Jangle Ridge
Nanakaland
Sentient Peoples
Steel Butterfly
Squornshelous
The Resi Corporation

"Our lawsuit is against one of these nations on the list. The same message was sent to all of the noted nations, minus the one who wrote it. Since "New Krutenia" did not say who exactly they were a puppet of, one of the other nations may have assumed that the Steel-Orion Empire was the one who wrote it and hid behind a puppet. The Empire would never have done such a thing, and making it so that other nations may assume that the Empire has hidden behind a puppet and sent out invitations to an alliance, is defamation."

and even if that court could compel New Krutenia to pay damages, which it can't,

"A court may or may not, but the Empire can...compel...New Krutenia to pay the damages."

No court in the world would recognize this argument

"I am sure I will find one quickly, even if I must go to the Empire's court."

though perhaps a closer examination of the law would prevent this.

Show me the international law book and I shall examine it." :roll:

Interesting..............not me :lol:

New Krutenia was not working on our behalf.Nor ours. We assume the nation in question merely took down the names of several affluent nations and attempted to form an alliance to protect his nation of a mere 126 million. Although we wouldn't mind being allied with some of the nations on the list, doing so without their consent just doesn't make sense. We wish to join in this lawsuit, on the grounds that New Krutenia has dirtied our name among our corporate peers by making it seem that we are willing to forge an alliance with a devout communist nation like Jange Jange Ridge. Should New Krutenia refuse to show their face in an international court of law, we will be faced with no choice but to issue a total embargo on their nation.

Nor ours.

If you have any more defamation problems, tell us. We'll help you.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Gah. I didn't want it to come to this. I think you rather misunderstood me.

That guy was my puppet. I was attempting to form an alliance with all of us; New Krutenia would not have been in the alliance. And I sent out telegrams earlier to see if there was any bad blood between any of the nations; there wasn't. I sent out telegrams as New Krutenia to preserve anonymity; if I sent them out as Aquilla you might not have given what you really thought of me. The list of nations was the ones invited to the alliance, not the ones that were in it; I apologize if that was unclear.

And the ball is fumbled.....badly. I suggest the point, distract and run like hell tactic Aquilla.

And the ball is fumbled.....badly. I suggest the point, distract and run like hell tactic Aquilla.

No, I have offended and need to restore good relations between all these nations.

Emperor Nemerov turned on the viewscreen connected with Aquilla and scratched his chin.

"You have soiled our name and our ways among our fellow nations. Then again, money or military force would not make up for that which has already been done. A formal apology would set my mind at ease. I'm not sure what else can be done..."

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Star Empire of Steel Butterfly,
In the Orion Sector which includes:
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII,
Aeisis, Bivens, Esthar VIII
Orion Sector Alliance Premier,
Order of the Seraphim

Castle Dûn Ádien
Outside Ianapalis, Iansisle, the Commonwealth

"Do I have to do this?"

"Yes, Your Majesty," sighed House Callahan's butler, Quinton, as he rolled his eyes. James had been complaining no-stop since the official word came in.

"I positively hate public appearances, Quinton. You know that.”

“I know that, Majesty. That’s why we’re just filming it via IanCorp clickers.”

“Hmph. I don’t see why I have to do this.”

“Because you’re the Commonwealth’s head of state. Emperor Nemerov’s already given an announcement.”

“Well, good for Emperor Nemerov. Why can’t the head of government ever do anything? I’d like to see D’Carlonia...” Before James could finish his latest protest, Quinton shoved him out in front of the IanCorp cameras. The young king swallowed and blinked in the bright light.

“Er, hello, citizens of the Commonwealth and others who may be seeing this on your theaters newsreel.

“As many of you now know, the ‘Mystery Alliance’ turned out just to be an offer of one, making any lawsuits frivolous. I can assure you that we’re all glad of that.

“However, to the leaders of Aquilla, I saw ‘please be more courteous in the future.’ I know that you mean well, but your methods could use some refinement. In the meantime, Iansisle has made it a state policy not to become entangled within a network of alliances outside of the New Highlands. We’re honored by the offer, but must decline it for now.” James ran out of material, sweated for a moment or two, then decided to end the broadcast.

“Er, thank you for your attention. Please, enjoy the upcoming feature presentation.”

His Imperial Majesty, High King James III
Lord of the House of Callahan and Protector of the Grand Iansislean Empire of the Shield and All Its Dominions

((OOC: Er... it's kind of hard to respond to this ICly, mainly because puppets aren't supposed to be owned by the same people IC. So I can't really blame Aquilla, and I can't really drop the charges. Therefore, I'm gonna have to stamp this situation as
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Oh, and Aquilla, what I would have done is mention that you were actually one of the nations on the list, and that you just wanted to see the honest truth of what other people thought of you as well as of others. You could've given more information without blowing cover, and if I was the one making the alliance I would've given all the information possible without giving myself away. Too bad the alliance fell through, it seemed like such a good idea.))

Look at this

We wish to make an alliance based off of the failed one that Aquilla proposed, because it was essentially a good idea that went wrong. We are merely a puppet of a nation on the following list, and if you think about it you'll probably be able to tell who we are. This nation, like Aquilla's puppet New Krutenia, will not be a part of the following alliance.

Oh, and we are NOT Aquilla. Please believe this.

The nations invited to join this alliance are:

Agrigento
Aquilla
Garrison II
Iansisle
Nanakaland
Sentient Peoples
Sketch
Steel Butterfly
Squornshelous
The Resi Corporation
Watertest
--
The charter of the alliance is as follows (courtesy of Aquilla):

1. If a member of the alliance declares war, or is declared war upon, and requests the help of the alliance, all nations in the alliance are required to help.
2. There shall be no tariffs or trade barriers between the nations of the alliance.
3. The nations of the alliance shall not complain about government policies of the other alliance members.
4. Should a member of the alliance be in need of money, and accepts a loan from another alliance member, no interest shall be charged.
5. If a member of the alliance fails to do the above, they shall be expelled, immediately if you break #1, and after three chances if you break any others.

No name shall be given to the alliance as of yet, but one will be given eventually.

If you want to have special exceptions to the rules, say so in your reply.

This time, I got mentioned as well. Guess that makes me special too eh? :?

Well, I'm not gonna play the guessing game, so this invitation is being given the official stamp of:

REJECTED!

Please collect the torn remains on your way out.

Uhm... Garrison II, it's only a wild guess, but I think you might be Garrison II...

(in other words, you forgot to switch to the puppet when making that post)

Watertest, I'm not sure I want to do this yet; ie. I want to see if I can salvage this.

We formally and officially and humbly and contritely and with weeping and knashing of teeth apologize to the Steel Orion Empire of Steel Butterfly for accidentally and unintentionally besmearing the honourabish reputation of Steel Butterfly.

-Joe Ritlheid
Foreign Affairs Minister

PS: Now, about the alliance?

I'm all for the alliance, or for the new one that Garrison's creating. Whichever works.

I'm all for the alliance, or for the new one that Garrison's creating. Whichever works.

Don't think it's Garisson. He was probably posting a telegram that he got.

I'm all for the alliance, or for the new one that Garrison's creating. Whichever works.

Don't think it's Garisson. He was probably posting a telegram that he got.

[OOC: I never signed up for or even heard of this alliance. I'm in no way involved with it. Saying so defames the quality of my IC empire. Therefore, I'm seeking IC damages.]

Seconded.

Look what else I got.

We wish to make an alliance based off of the failed one that Aquilla proposed, because it was essentially a good idea that went wrong. We are merely a puppet of a nation on the following list, and if you think about it you'll probably be able to tell who we are. This nation, like Aquilla's puppet New Krutenia, will not be a part of the following alliance.

Oh, and we are NOT Aquilla. Please believe this.

The nations invited to join this alliance are:

Agrigento
Aquilla
Garrison II
Iansisle
Nanakaland
Sentient Peoples
Sketch
Steel Butterfly
Squornshelous
The Resi Corporation
Watertest
--
The charter of the alliance is as follows (courtesy of Aquilla):

1. If a member of the alliance declares war, or is declared war upon, and requests the help of the alliance, all nations in the alliance are required to help.
2. There shall be no tariffs or trade barriers between the nations of the alliance.
3. The nations of the alliance shall not complain about government policies of the other alliance members.
4. Should a member of the alliance be in need of money, and accepts a loan from another alliance member, no interest shall be charged.
5. If a member of the alliance fails to do the above, they shall be expelled, immediately if you break #1, and after three chances if you break any others.

No name shall be given to the alliance as of yet, but one will be given eventually.

If you want to have special exceptions to the rules, say so in your reply.

And they're using puppet nations so that they won't get detected! :x

And they're using puppet nations so that they won't get detected! :xWell, that's hardly anything new. Aquilla did the same thing.

Uhm... Garrison II, it's only a wild guess, but I think you might be Garrison II...

(in other words, you forgot to switch to the puppet when making that post)No he didn't. He was showing you a TG he got....

Also... Puppets are not protection. Remember Ziotah? A simple Mod IP check will do the trick and reveal all.

Or you could just ignore the guy.

I'm pretty sure Penguins of Linux is Watertest.