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WAAMA Military Hardware Orders and Inquiries Station

Greetings, this is the section of WAAMA’s information services where orders for, and inquiries about, WAAMA (The Western Asian Arms Manufacturing Association) goods and services. As you have probably seen in our "WAAMA Military Hardware Catalogue (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88338&highlight=)," we provide a variety of high-quality materiel and support services to trustworthy nations.*

For inquiries about purchasing opportunities, additional information, sales and manufacturing licensing, foreign manufacturing centers, and other WAAMA issues (OOC: critiques, criticism, and support) please make remarks here.

Thank you for your interest in WAAMA,

James Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative for WAAMA
Representative to IDF on WAAMA Affairs

*- Note: All sales are made in accord with the regulations and rules established by the Weapons Export Control Board (WECB), a sub-committee of the Senate of the United States of Western Asia. Sales are subject to these rules and regulations and, at times, these limitations may result in the refusal of service to certain customers. Delta Triumvirate nations face none of these limitations and Zion Pact nations are exempt from most. Delta Triumvirate members and certain other select nations are entitled to special deals and discounts.


OOC: This is the place to post orders for WAAMA products. I will not sell to people who address this process as though it were buying candy at the supermarket…some semblance of RPing is appreciated. I will try to make determinations about the ability of your country to pay for the ordered goods and the willingness of my country to sell to yours.

Special payment methods are expected for large, expensive orders and so bulk sum payments will not be demanded of you. The goods will be delivered as they are ready, which may be as little time as the week it takes to ship the goods or the two years it takes to make all of the goods of your order. This is in RP time so it goes at your pace, but nothing should be deployed the same day it is purchased. There is no need to RP the deliveries (unless there is a special case where this is of importance for an RP, in which case I’ll be happy to RP my part) or to say "Funds Wired"…just say that you agree to the deal and the transfers on both sides will be assumed to begin.

An ideal order message (the format variable, but note the business approach and listing):

The IDF's Foreign Military Goods procurement board has decided to place the following order request for Sniper Country goods:

1: Production Rights and Plans Set for the APKWS
1: Production Rights and Plans Set for the Hydra XXI
40: Omegalite 4.0 Carbiners (10 units/type) for testing, with an option to obtain 120,000 more units (ratio TBD)
2: V-33 Vigilante units for testing, with an option to obtain 28 more units.
1: SECO Ship for testing, with an option to obtain 9 more units. One unit will be used for test-integration of self-defense AD systems.

We appreciate the high quality of goods that you have here to offer and wish you the best in your enterprises.

If you would like to place a secret order (if you are under embargo, arms trade limitation agreements, or would just like to keep things very quiet) then TM me and I will record the sales in a word document on my computer for later reference. I might note that an order for a number of systems, possibly including types involved and the total sum, has been placed and is being filled without mentioning the name of your country or organization. Any other orders are considered to be public knowledge, either in part or in whole, and full information is to be reasonably available by the end of the following financial quarter.

A legalish note: All of the names used here and in the Catalogue are used in veneration of the RL companies based in Israel, the United States of America, and elsewhere. Many of the systems and products below are made in the tradition of those companies and all products are attempts to reflect the high quality of those companies' products.

OOC: Argh, WA! You need a website for all that stuff!

The ROTN, in the process of developing it's future naval vessels, is interested in procuring a number of naval MTHEL systems for intergration into the vessels.

We would also like to enquire if any Western Asian companies are involved in the Chinese deploymemt of the J-10/Lavi. An adminstration fee will be paid to cover costs involved.

OOC: Argh, WA! You need a website for all that stuff!

OOC: A, I do. B, That's less than a tenth of what I already have written up....and less than a thirtieth of what I plan to complete. C, I don't know enough HTML to program any site I'd have.

Eventually there will be a listing of weapons by type at the first post with links to the specific posts....my cheapo version of a website.

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The ROTN, in the process of developing it's future naval vessels, is interested in procuring a number of naval MTHEL systems for intergration into the vessels.

We would also like to enquire if any Western Asian companies are involved in the Chinese deploymemt of the J-10/Lavi. An adminstration fee will be paid to cover costs involved.

Navalized MTHEL systems are available for integration. There is a pre-set price for the installation of MTHEL I systems on ships (OOC: Which I'll have to look for in one of my threads) and GINY is happy to install any number of systems for you at their facilities. There is a surcharge for non-local installations but larger and longer-term installation projects can be completed at lower costs by allowing GINY to set up a secure workshop near your naval yards. The final costs depend on the numbers of systems you would like to install but generally sit at about or under $30M/installation (OOC: It's a bit lower, but I don't have the info on-hand).

At this time, the J-10/Lavi project is being managed in part by GIAI, Ltd. but there seems to be little progress as the Chinese project managers have been backing out of final production plans. GIAI is a WAAMA member company.

EDIT: OOC: Found it. Specifics on the MTHEL system, w/costs and all. MTHEL Family of Systems (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=353133#353133)

OOC: Argh, WA! You need a website for all that stuff!

OOC: A, I do. B, That's less than a tenth of what I already have written up....and less than a thirtieth of what I plan to complete. C, I don't know enough HTML to program any site I'd have.

Eventually there will be a listing of weapons by type at the first post with links to the specific posts....my cheapo version of a website.

That's all you need really. You've got the content part. :) Nothing flashy but just make sure it works. After all, this site (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/) doesn't have much pizzazz, but it gets the job done extremely well.


1.4.2 Why aren't Java/CGI/frames used in this site?

Because I detest gimmicks. Sites which attempt to look "modern" or "fashionable" become outdated-looking much more quickly than sites which are clear of purpose and consistent in content. I have seen very few sites which contain web gimmicks which could not have been done equally well with clean, pure, vanilla HTML.

OOC: SWtech is certainly a great site...which brings me to the next issue: I'm too cheap to get a website and too lazy to maintain one.

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Nice storefront, if it is a storefront.

Nice storefront, if it is a storefront.
Thanks. Yes, it is a storefront...I decided to refine the concept.

Yes, a proper weapons "export department"

OOC:
Exactly.

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Upcoming Items:
- Corvettes
- Missile Boats
- Patrol/Strike Boats
- Small unit landing/strike craft

Near-future items:
- Re-introduction of Larger warships, many of which had been sold in older form at my old ship storefront and which will all be slightly to massively re-designed to take account of recent developments (ideas and concepts). Most redesigns will be in terms of applied weapons systems, with Capitol and support/defense ships receiving improved armaments.
- New LAV/APC mortar turret system...also featured on one of the patrol/strike boat variants and already included with my Achzarit heavy APCs.

Question for the Crowd:
Of the item categories listed at the top of that thread, which would you like to see most? (Stars sit by items already partially or mostly researched, a pound sign sits by completed categories).

Ground Systems
Vehicles
-Armored-
Main Battle Tanks (MBTs)#
Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) and Light Armored Vehicles (LAVs)*
Artillery and Artillery Support Vehicles*
Force Protection and Specialty Vehicles*

-Unarmored-
General Use and Transport
Light Scout/Strike Vehicles*

-Unmanned-
Remotely Operated Ground Strike Vehicle
Remotely Operated Battlefield Engineering Vehicles
Remote Operations Control Center

Infantry Weaponry
-Crew Served-
Anti-Armor/Bunker Weaponry*
Machine Guns and Grenade Launchers*
Mortar Systems

-Individually Served/Personal-
Anti-Armor/Bunker Weaponry*
Mortar Systems
General Armaments*
Explosives
Sniper Weapons Systems*
Special Mission Items

Military Aircraft
Fixed-Wing
-Manned-
Attack/Strike*
Fighter*
Bomber*
AEW/ECM*
Special Mission
Transport, Utility, and Tanker*

-Unmanned-
UAV*
UCAV*

Rotary Wing
Attack/CAS*
AEW/ECM*
Special Mission*
Transport/Utility Helicopters*

Airlifter/Airship/Dirigible
-Transport-
ULAs*
-Assault-
GATEKEEPERs*

Naval Systems
Aircraft Carriers
Aircraft Carriers#
Amphibious Assault/Helicopter Carriers#
Special Mission#

Surface Warfare
Shore Bombardment/Artillery From the Sea (AFS)*
Carrier Escort Vessels*
Strike Team Vessels*

Transport and Support
High Speed Sealift*
Combat Logistics
Regional Logistical Support*

Small Watercraft and Patrol Craft
Patrol Boats and Corvettes*
Small Watercraft*
Special Operations Vessels*

Submarine Systems
Attack Submarine*

Unmanned Systems
Unmanned Small Surface Watercraft*
Special Mission and AUSV*

Landing Craft
LCAC and HLCAC*
AAAV and AAVP7A2

Onboard Systems
Gun and Mortar Systems*
Missile and Rocket Systems*
Defensive Area Systems*
Anti-Detection Systems
Enhanced Armoring Systems

Munitions
Guided Munitions (Smart Weapons)

Missiles
Air to Air*
Air to Surface*
Surface to Air
Surface to Surface*
Surface to Subsurface

Ammunition
Guided and Unguided Rocket Munitions*
Guided and Unguided Missile Munitions*
Guided and Unguided Artillery Munitions
Direct attack weapons

Intresting I have noted we have update the Zerni miltary and while the Massive Tordoran based Geran Corp is trying to get contracts for suppling our police and miltary forces. I will have to keep an eye hear. What can you do for an defense orentated navy and coast guard forces who main tasks are protecting our homeland the Zerni Islands and enforing what coastal laws we have? Our over all miltary infact is geared towards defending the homeland.

~Emperor Mishimi

((Zerni is rather similiar to Japan in terran, Population location and climate.))

WAAMA's members produce a wide variety of coastal patrol boats and ships with a great diversity in designs and capabilities. We are currently organizing and formatting many of the designs offered and we expect to be adding the listing of those products to next month's expanded catalogue (OOC: I hope to have a lot of it posted by sunday night).

We will send messages to your representatives informing them of the new product offerings when they have become available. We thank you for your interest in WAAMA's offerings.

- James Gatz
Weapons Trade Representative for WAAMA
Representative to IDF on WAAMA Affairs

(From the other thread)

The Republic of Taiwan has submitted an official application for an exchange of liason officers between Taipei and Tel Aviv. We hope that Taiwan and Western Asia will be able to co-operate to a larger extent in the future.

In another matter, the ROTAF has expressed interest in acquiring blueprints, production licenses, and modification rights for the Israeli designed Python IV AAM.

The ROTAF is also interested in the procurement of 45 air-based THEL systems for it's wing-in-ground aircraft.

Liaison relations seem to be in order and worthy of welcome. We would be glad to create a base for further communications and coordinations.

As for the ROTAF interests, we are already into production of the Python V AAM with plans for the Python VI in consideration and initial concept testing. We would be willing to grant prodduction rights for the Python IV, but modifications would need to be submitted to GIAI for consideration before implementation. We have been informed via our liaisons at WAAMA that several Python V units might also be shipped for evaluation.

As for the Air-based MTHEL systems, would these be similar to those that are sometimes mounted on maritime vessels or our own PelicanULTRA WIG craft? Such purchases (as these and those mentioned above) need to be dealt with through WAAMA (OOC: see link on previous page to "orders" thread) as WAAMA and most of its member corporations are independant of government rule in specific sales of approved systems. We will, however, inform the Weapons Export Control Board of _Taiwan's position and filed requests so that the approval process may be streamlined.

An office has been set aside in Central Taipei for the purposes of housing the Liason office.

The modifications planned for the Taiwanese produce Python IVs will be a slight increase to the diametre and length in order to increase range to 20km, the addition of 2D thrust vectoring, and the replacement of the IR guidance with an indigenous IR seeker.

The WIGcraft serving in the ROTN have a much higher speed (450 knots)than the Pelican - aside from that, there are no major differences.

As far as the range and speed of the Python IV, most of these issues are addressed in the Python 5.

It should be noted that the Python 5 has a range of more than 20km, and can cruise at Mach 4 with no loss of manoeuvrability. The missile is equipped with a "super-kill" warhead weighing more than 11kg. The Python 5 has an improved seeker, motor and better immunity to countermeasures than its predecessor: the Python 4. The missile has immunity against the full spectrum of countermeasures. However, we would not take issue with a decision to work from the older technology base if that is what you wish to do.

We will arrange for the MTHEL systems as though they were ship-based systems as the costs come out to about the same.

OOC: I'll check the prices and give you a quote sometime soon.

The ROTAF would like to conduct further analysis regarding the Python 5 before deciding which missile to work with.

OOC: More specs/differnces?

OOC:
Costs for MTHEL systems:
MTHEL I: $28M/ unit including installation
MTHEL II: $40M/ unit including installation

Additional MTHEL Info + specs (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=353133#353133)

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The Python V is simply the next generation of the Python IV, in continuing RAFAEL's excellent standards. The high turn rate (and novel seeker system) allow the Python 4 to achieve off-boresight target locks and engagements, but the system's maneuverability depends on its aerodynamic design over thrust vectoring and a complicated but proven reliable system of control panels. Aside from the Python V, the missile is credited with much better range performance than the AIM-9M, and better maximum G capability than any existing AAM.

The Python 4 is compatible with all standard AIM-9 capable launchers, and has been tested and cleared for use on the F-15, F-16, F/A-18 and F-5. The only integration requirement for the basic missile is the replacement of the launcher internal electronic unit with a Python capable design, which retains compatibility with the AIM-9. To fully exploit the missile's capability, a Helmet Mounted Sight is required, which will necessitate the fitting of cockpit transducers and supporting electronics. The DASH HMS supports either an analogue or digital interface. Aircraft such as the F/A-18 will also require some changes to the fire control software, to enable selection of the HMS or radar for missile boresight control. The F/A-18 could carry up to six rounds on wingtip and pylon stations.*

Python 5 is an innovative combination of advanced new technologies and the operationally proven Python 4 components. The missile incorporates a new dual waveband imaging seeker, advanced computer architecture, INS, sophisticated IRCCM and flight control algorithms. The Python 5 maintains Python 4 unique aerodynamic airframe, INS, powerful rocket motor, warhead and proximity fuze.

Python IV specs:

Category: Air-To-Air (4th Generation)
Manufacturer: Rafael Armaments

Length: 295 cm
Span: 50 cm
Body: 15 cm
Weight: (warhead over 11 kg)*

Guidance
Guidance Type: IR*
Model: 1 x spr.*
Range: 15 km

Python V specs:

Category: Air-To-Air (5th Generation)
Manufacturer: Rafael Armaments

Weight:* 103.6 Kg*
Length:** 3096mm*
Wing span:** 640mm*
Diameter:** 160mm
Weight: (warhead over 11 kg, improved version of old Python IV's)*

Guidance
Guidance Type: IR*
Model: 1 x spr.*
Range: >20 km

Note: aside from these improvements, all of the other components of the V are at least the same as for the IV, but are often updated versions from later Python IV models that were included in 'evolutionary improvement' programs.

After analysis and due consideration, the ROTAF has decided to place a procurement of 1,200 Python V AAMs satisfying ROTAF needs for the next year. The ROTAF is also interested in the purchasing of a domestic production license for up to 700 AAMs/year.

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The ROTN wishes to install MTHEL II modules on it's fleet of some 60 WIGcraft.

The GINA (sp?) has been offered a port site near Tainan for the construction of a shipbuilding facility.