NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC:
Invites to WCC Members. (Ariddia, Lemmitania, Spaam, Tanah Burung, Bedistan, Audioslavia, Kingsford, Europa Brittania, Ravenspire, Brazillico, Giant Zucchini, One Red Dot, Oglethorpia and Warnocks Wizards)

I had an idea to make the WCC IC. If this doesn’t work then we can go back to OOC.

IC:
Location: Revane, Capital of Ariddia.

“I call this meeting of the World Cup Committee to order.” Said the portly Insanician as he banged his gavel.

“Huh huh what?” Said the Brittanian member. “Is it time to vote again?”

“Yes and no.” He replied ambiguously.

The Brittanian looked confused.

“Our first order of business is a purposed reform of the Committee.”

The Kingsfordian piped up. “This is a conspiracy against me, perpetrated by Liverpool Englanders and Belmorians!”

“So as I was saying…”

Next the Slavian butted in.

“Who wants pizza?”

“Gentlemen please! This is the reason the world thinks the Committee is a joke. We never do anything, apart from pick hosts.”

“Are we picking hosts?” Said the Brittanian.

Carl sighed. President Carl Foxcroft, it had a nice ring to it. He looked around the room at the other members.

“GENTLEMEN!”

The room hushed.

“We must vote on this piece of legislation.”

[code:1:bc951ca4af]
Legislation Act 1349 – Reformation of the World Cup Committee
Also known as the “Drop the Dead Weight Act”

1) The current system whereby the hosts of cups are automatically elected to the Committee for life shall be abolished.

2) There shall be the creation of 6 permanent positions on the Committee, which will be held by representatives until they resign or die

3) There shall be the creation of 2 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held for the term of 4 years by the hosts of the current Cup.

4) There shall be the creation of 4 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held by elected representatives, who in turn will form the “Panel of RP”

5) There shall be the creation of 1 more temporary position on the Committee, which will be held by an elected representative, who in turn will be called “Tea Boy”

6) Should either one or both the host already be members of the Committee, the extra spaces will be filled up with the second and third place runners-up in the election to become “Tea Boy”

Amendments:





Signed:



[/code:1:bc951ca4af]

Carl sat back in his chair and waited for a response.

OOC:
Sorry if I took any of your characters OOC, well actually all of you don’t know you have characters yet…heh.

I put this together pretty quickly so I'm sorry if I have made any mistakes.

All I want is an intro to your rep, questions/comments/amendments and/or a vote.

The Giant Zucchini representative places his vote and puts it in the ballot. He feels hungry, so he munches on a few of his fingers. Appalled guests look on in disgust. He replies, "It'll grow back."

Vote: Against

Javier McGuire, the representative from Bedistan, scanned the legislation sheet. After reading it, he began reading it again. Still not quite satisfied, he looked around the room, first at the Kingsfordian, then at the Oglethorpian, then the Brazillican, and finally the Ariddian representative. McGuire turned the paper upside down, as though to find a hidden message. At last, he returned it to the table and began pondering, briefly interrupted by the actions of the Zucchini.

[OOC: McGuire's a little dim-witted. He'll make his decision in a bit.]

Alvin Ker, World Cup Committee representative from One Red Dot and the President of the One Red Dot National Sports Association looks around. He is nervous because all the top guns and big shots are around him. This is his first time in this meeting room. He looks at the piece of paper. He is all dizzy and the legislation looks all Insanician to him. Wait a minute, it is Insanician. Where's the English version? Oh, there it is. He meekly asks it from the Ariddian at the other end of the table. The Ariddian looks sternly at him and shoves it into his hands. Looks like the commentating from the WC10 3rd-Placing match still has some impact on them. (OOC: refer to WC10 3rd-Placing match RP by ORD - somewhere on page 38, I think)

"Hmm. There are 6+2+4+1, that makes 13 positions to be filled and there are 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 people here..hmm..that's weird, where's the 13th member?? Oh, that's right, I'm the 13th member!" he mumbles.

The Insanician looks strangely at him and wonders whether other foreigners have such strange habits.

Alvin looks at the paper again. He contacts the ORD Grammar and Language Board, he whispers for a while and then presses the red button on his mobile phone. He then tells the Insanician representative, "Sir, we can't 'Drop the Dead Weight' because there is no dead weight to drop. There are 13 positions to be filled and there are 13 members here. By the law of sets and functions, there is one member to one position. Therefore, no dead weight can be dropped."

The Insanician looks strangely at him. He shakes his head and says in slightly stuttering, but otherwise, perfect English,"Enough with such perpetual nonsense. Either you agree or disagree."

The newcomer to the committee sinks low in his seat again. He thinks for a while. He writes on his vote card: "AGREE, but would like to see amendments to the Legislation", folds the card and drops the card into the ballot box.

"Wow, that wasn't so hard wasn't it," he thinks to himself. As he starts to get up from his seat to leave the cold hearted room, the Insanician representative speaks,"You stupid fool, you are not supposed to fold the sheet. Now how is the computer going to read the ballot card???"

Alvin Ker smacks his head with his right palm. No words can describe how he feels now.

Finally having managed to pull his eyes away from the sight of one of the representitives eating his own limbs, the Brittanian envoy spoke up."I am going to make the wishes of the Brittanian football association known, but through the medium of intepretive dance."


throwing his hands into the air, Daniel began to bop his head from side to side, periodically screaming the names of japanese whore houses he had found whilst consulting the hall payphone directory. After a few seconds he jumped on the table, kicking off official documents and various important pieces of paper. Stamping his feet, he bellowed-

"Oh loud moon, how does one feel about those that scream my fox penis! Lo has it failed to fertilise this muffin! Oh how shalt I face thy sunshine roadway without my yellow coatrack?"

After another few minutes of silence, he added.

"For those of you not familiar with the fine arts, the Brittanian Football Association votes 'Yes.'"

OOC:
There are Japanese whore houses in the phone directory in an Ariddian official building? Hmm. . . Something to look into. <G>

IC:
Quen Slides, the Ariddian representative, observed the antics of his colleagues with a perplexed frown. Not that he wasn't used to it. It was just that they still managed to surprised him.

He considered telling the Zucchini representative it was illegal to eat meat, but then found himself wondering whether that covered eating one's own fingers.

"Uh, against," he thought to put in at last. "We would need to discuss each point seperately."

To: WCC Members

From: Ufhur the Hated, Minister for Sport, Empire of Warnocks Wizards

Re: WCC Membership & Current Meeting to Change WCC


Dear WCC Members:

We are petitioning the committee on behalf of our government to be included in talks of changes to the WCC. As current co-hosts to World Cup 11, we believe there is precedence for Warnocks Wizards to be considered a member of the WCC at this moment in time. Please correct us if we are wrong, but were not the co-hosts of WC 10 considered members of the WCC while WC 10 qualifying was occurring? Did they not vote on the WC 11 hosting issue?

As changes are only now being considered to the WCC after WC11 qualifying has begun, we feel WW should be included in these discussions as a current member of the WCC. Moreover, as one individual has already dismissed our role in WC 11 co-hosting as nothing more than that of a figurehead, a recognition by the WCC of WW’s current committee membership and therefore active role as co-host would do much to allay such charges.

We thank you for your consideration in this matter,

Ufhur the Hated
Minster for Sport
Empire of Warnocks Wizards

McGuire stared at the paper again. The same thought that had occurred to the Dottian finally entered his head. "No wonder I can't figure it out," he mumbled, "I can't read this language." Noticing that Ker was now busy with the English version of the document, he politely asked the Brazillican representative whether he could borrow the Spanish version.

McGuire occasionally startled the neighboring representatives with his continual mumbling in Spanish as he read over the document. Once he had read it through, he defiantly stated, "No me gusta." Those in the room who didn't know Spanish looked at him oddly, though from his expression it was reasonably clear what he thought of it.

He wrote down his vote and passed it along to President Foxcroft. "You moron," Foxcroft said icily, "you're supposed to write the damned thing in English!" McGuire apologized profusely, grabbed another sheet of paper, and rewrote the vote, this time in English.

"The Bedistan Football Association votes nay, feeling that some points addressed within are fully irrelevant to the matter at hand."

McGuire then turned to the Audioslavian. "I'd like one with everything except anchovies. I'm starving." He then turned to the Zucchini, giving him a meaningful look.

Ab Francisco looked despondently at the piece of apper that had suddenly materialized in his hand. A letter from Ufhur the Hated. Oh, bother. Everyone hates him.

"We have no objection to making Warnocjks Wizards the 15th country to take part in this vote, although it means dropping one more of what our Insane friends call the dead weight. You know, death is a fascinating topic. I've often contemplated it..."

He stops mid-sentence as the Insanician slaps him with a trout.

"Oh yes. The topic at hand. Hand balls are not allowed, and i think we should stick to that rule. Head balls are still recommended. I used to love heading the ball in. We vote for Errinundera to host."

This time he is slapped with a ballot paper and takes the time to read it. "Oh." He wonders whether the Oglethorpian can answer without first phoning home for permission to vote without filling in form C-349(ii). He looks about for a bribe, and seeing none decides to vote anyway. Well, things seem fine now, but it's probably not a bad idea to limit the WCC membership before it gets too enormous. He folds and passes the ballot. FOR, but willing to discuss any amendments.

OK, many apologies. This is Tanah Burung, logged in accidentally on my partner's account.

Representing Oglethorpia is Association of Futebol/Football* Advisor Michael Als -- sent in replacement of McDouglas since the meeting took place on such short notice.

Looking around the room, Als sees the delegate munching on his fingers -- and with his curiousity piqued, Als digs in with an audible "crunch."

Followed by a lot of screaming and bleeding on people, namely the Bedistani delegate. "MY FINGER!" he shouts.

Quickly, an Oglethorpian Military Grade Helicopter (C) carts him away to a local hospital, dropping off McDouglas -- who can now attend the vote. McDouglas reads over the proposal quickly. Having always known fully well Oglethorpia's presence in the current WCC has been next to nothing, he feels he has no choice but to vote 'yea' in favor of the current act on the floor.

---

Note:* The Kingsforders can't handle the spelling of "Futebol" thus "Futebol/Football."

The Audioslavian sports-minister Daniel Bryant munches thoughtfully on his pizza as the letter containing TnUI's proposal does the rounds. He feels a tap on his shoulder, it is an Ariddian secretary, passing him a letter with a slightly bored look on her face. (ooc: is ariddia's language French? if not, then ignore this bit (and the sickeningly poor pigeon-latin)

Secretary: Vous êtes membre du WCC?

Daniel: doobly vay sea sea?

(the Ariddian sports-representative whispers something in his ear)

Daniel: oh, WCC, yeah im on the WCC

*The secretary hands him the letter, Daniel opens it and reads it carefully. Carl the portly Insanician gives Daniel one of those famous TnUI 'you aren't fit to be in the same universe as me' looks and asks him what the letter is and why he opened it, as well as expressing some mild bemusement at the fact that an Audioslavian appears to be literate*

Daniel: Its from Ufhur the Hated

Carl: who?

Daniel *through mouthfulls of pizza*: hish uh gooy frum thse wurnx wischardsh sprtsh minshtry

Carl: Has he turned Dutch all of a sudden?

Daniel: *swallowing his pizza*: he's a guy from the Warnocks Wizards Sports Ministry, you mean youve not heard of him?

Carl: umm..

Daniel: but youre going to be running a world cup together...

Carl: yeah, i um... anyway, what does he want?

Daniel: He thinks he should be on the WCC

Carl: of course......

*Daniel passes the letter to the Insanician who reads it carefully, occasionally struggling over longer words like 'considered' and 'membership' and 'issue'. Daniel is passed the piece of paper containing TnUI's 'drop the dead weight act'. He reads it through, muttering the odd 'hmm' and 'yes' and 'i like what youve done there', pausing only to cough pizza all over the letter as he reads article 5*

Daniel: Tea Boy?

*The Oglethorpian and Kingsfordian representatives giggle to themselves, making jokes about British people and tea.*

Daniel: ...anyway, just to get things started, i'd like to nominate Lemmitania, TnUI, Ariddia and Spaam to occupy four of the six permanent positions on the committee. I would also like to nominate Audioslavia to occupy another of these positions.

*the room goes silent but for a few independent giggles*

Daniel: ...what?

edit: damn forums
edit2: crap french translation corrected
edit3: missed the bit where TnUI gives a name to his 'portly insanician'

(ooc: is ariddia's language French? if not, then ignore this bit (and the sickeningly poor pigeon-latin)

Secretary: vous sont une membre de la wcc?


OOC:
*nods*

Ariddia's official languages are French, English and Wymgani (Native Ariddian). Not everyone speaks them all, of course. Or maybe she just wanted to be annoying...

By the way, it would be "Vous êtes membre du CCM?" (Or she could say WCC, if she was in a helpful mood...)

<tag> note, TBF are for this proposal.

<tag> note, TBF are for this proposal.

<tag> note, TBF are for this proposal.

*fires ignore cannon*


By the way, it would be "Vous êtes membre du CCM?" (Or she could say WCC, if she was in a helpful mood...)

k :) all i have is a C grade GCSE in French so im not one of the great linguists... there are NO George W. Bush quotes in Audioslavia

i considered working 'WCC' around the french for the world cup ('Coup(e) d(e/a) Monde' unless i'm very much mistaken) but then i remembered the thing the french do with english phrases/abbreviations which have invaded their language: they just keep them as they are and carry on eating croissants and driving in citroens :) (i.e. 'KFC' remaining with the name 'KFC' despite being called 'PFK' in French Canada, and also the Keanu Reeves film 'Speed' kept the name 'Speed' even in the french dubbed version, where it should have probably been called 'La Vitesse' (sp?)

Steve Ribeiro, Brazillico’s representative to the World Cup Committee, tapped the Bedistani representative on the shoulder and signalled if he could have another gander at the constitution. After carefully re-reading the articles, he signals to the Ariddian delegate.

“C’est magnifique,” exclaimed Ribeiro, in his broken French, “On va se debarasser du dead weight!”

A few seconds after his comment, Ribeiro found himself reflecting on what he had just said. “Mon Dieu,” he thought to himself, “I might need a new job…”

Steve Ribeiro, Brazillico’s representative to the World Cup Committee, tapped the Bedistani representative on the shoulder and signalled if he could have another gander at the constitution. After carefully re-reading the articles, he signals to the Ariddian delegate.

“C’est magnifique,” exclaimed Ribeiro, in his broken French, “On va se debarasser du dead weight!”

A few seconds after his comment, Ribeiro found himself reflecting on what he had just said. “Mon Dieu,” he thought to himself, “I might need a new job…”

*Clem Gilson, Dean of Lemmitanian sports and representative to the WCC, smokes a bud and considers the proposal.*

Clem: Although the proposal is incomplete, having no mechanism for selecting members, Lemmitania is in favor of the points currently on the table. However, we cannot cast a yes vote until the question of selection is resolved. We suggest drafting amendments to address this.

“C’est magnifique,” exclaimed Ribeiro, in his broken French, “On va se debarasser du dead weight!”

A few seconds after his comment, Ribeiro found himself reflecting on what he had just said. “Mon Dieu,” he thought to himself, “I might need a new job…”

Slides nodded and smiled wryly.
"Et qui décide qui constitue du 'dead weight', cher ami? I reiterate," he added, slipping back into English, "we should discuss this point by point."

OOC:
Audioslavia, you're quite right about French using a lot of English words and acronyms (we even tend to say "les USA" instead of "les Etats-Unis"). People consider using English words is "cool" - much as using French words in English can be seen as "chic".
I translated WCC as CCM: Commité de la Coupe du Monde.

Slides' answer gave Ribeiro plenty of food for thought.

Brazillico wasn't the global football uberpower they were before, in fact, they would be fortuitous if they even qualified for World Cup 11. Sure, they hosted WC4 and won WC5 and 6, but they had been absent from the international stage for 20 years, when nations like Lanky Dude had more of an impact than them.

The more Ribeiro thought about this, the more uneasy he felt about his dead weight comment.

Brazillico had been the deadest of the dead weight for several decades and the fact that they forfeited their vote for a host for WCXI definitely put them upon the chopping block.

Ribeiro stood up and slowly walked to the Lemmitanian representative. "Perhaps we could use a few drafting amendments," he said.

The United Spaamanian representative, Jean-Claude Van Damme, finally speaks:

"I have just two zings to say right now. One, should any being from TBF or
its associates post in zis zread again, zey shall be disqualified from ze Vorld
Cup. Secondly, I agree viz ze Lemmitanian delegate: Ze current proposal in
its present form is not to our liking, but zere may be amendments zat would
make it acceptable. Zat is all."

Jean-Claude then swings out of the building to rescue a turtle from a runaway train.

We resent the implication that there are runaway trains in Ariddia. :P

Clem: The Lemmitanian Footballing Authority has drafted a proposed amendment to govern the election of the 6 permanent committee members. Please comment on the amendment and/or suggest changes.

[code:1:b3f00e55cf]
Legislation Act 1349 – Reformation of the World Cup Committee
Also known as the “Drop the Dead Weight Act”

1) The current system whereby the hosts of cups are automatically elected to the Committee for life shall be abolished.

2) There shall be the creation of 6 permanent positions on the Committee, which will be held by representatives until they resign or die

3) There shall be the creation of 2 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held for the term of 4 years by the hosts of the current Cup.

4) There shall be the creation of 4 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held by elected representatives, who in turn will form the “Panel of RP”

5) There shall be the creation of 1 more temporary position on the Committee, which will be held by an elected representative, who in turn will be called “Tea Boy”

6) Should either one or both the host already be members of the Committee, the extra spaces will be filled up with the second and third place runners-up in the election to become “Tea Boy”

Amendments: (Proposed)

i. The initial members of the Committee are as follows: Ariddia, Lemmitania, Spaam, Tanah Burung, Bedistan, Audioslavia, Kingsford, Europa Brittania, Ravenspire, Brazillico, Giant Zucchini, One Red Dot and Oglethorpia, Warnocks Wizards
ii. Selection of the 6 permanent Committee members
a. The 6 permanent positions shall be elected from among the 14 initial members, by the 14 initial members
b. Voting shall take place as follows: Each initial member may vote for up to 6 initial members.
c. Each initial member will telegram its votes to the nation of Ariddia. Ariddia will telegram its votes to the nation of Total n Utter Insanity. Ariddia will tally the number of votes cast for each member, and telegram the totals to Total n Utter Insanity. Total n Utter Insanity will add Ariddia’s votes to the totals and announce the Grand Totals.
d. The six initial members receiving the most votes will be elected Permanent Committee Members.
e. In the case that tie votes prevent six clear winners in the election, those members who have been elected unequivocally shall choose the other Permanent Committee Member(s) from among the tied vote-getters.

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Ab Francsisco reads Clem's amendments, wishing he had what Clem was smoking. "The amendment sounds fine to me," he says, "but i'd like to make one amendment to the amendment. I think Total n Utter Insanity should be one of the initial members, so it would be 15, not 14."

"I think there are too many committee members," said the Ravenspire delegate, a white-haired man of middle age by the name of Victor Delacroix who wore a pristine white suit and walked with the aid of a cane. "We might as well keep things as they are, as go with this proposal; it would mean a great deal of trouble over elections and such for little or no real benefit."

He paused, reviewing the draft. "I propose a committee of seven members, none of them permanent: the current host or hosts and the host or host of the previous Cup among them. The remaining slots will be filled by other still-active former hosts on a rotational basis, beginning with the first World Cup.

"This would eliminate the need for elections, eliminate the possibility of a tie in the committee's voting, and provide generally equal representation to all current members over the long run."

OOC:

A helpful list to get started.

Names:
TnUI: Carl Foxcroft
Beddy: Javier McGuire
ORD: Alvin Ker
Arry: Quen Slides
TB: Ab Francisco
Ogle: George McDouglas
AS: Daniel Bryant
Braz: Steve Ribeiro
Lemmy: Clem Gilson
Spaam: Jean-Claude Van Damme
Rav: Victor Delacroix

EB: Daniel ???
GZ: Unknown
K: Not Replied

Next a list of the votes.

Votes:
No:

GZ, Beddy, Rav

[3]

Amend:

TnUI, ORD, EB, Arry, TB, Ogle, AS, Braz, Lemmy, Spaam

[10]

Abstain:

K

[1]

Hope I got that right. IC reply to come soon, I hope.

EDIT:

Also, regard WW. I'm not sure when you become a member of the WCC, is it before, during or after the Finals? Anyway lets say there is a minister from WW here and that the letter didn't happen :wink:

"I think there are too many committee members," said the Ravenspire delegate, a white-haired man of middle age by the name of Victor Delacroix who wore a pristine white suit and walked with the aid of a cane. "We might as well keep things as they are, as go with this proposal; it would mean a great deal of trouble over elections and such for little or no real benefit."

He paused, reviewing the draft. "I propose a committee of seven members, none of them permanent: the current host or hosts and the host or host of the previous Cup among them. The remaining slots will be filled by other still-active former hosts on a rotational basis, beginning with the first World Cup.

"This would eliminate the need for elections, eliminate the possibility of a tie in the committee's voting, and provide generally equal representation to all current members over the long run."

Slides tapped his forehead in thought as he listened to Delacroix.

"C'est une idée intéressante," he conceded. "It seems both simpler and more equitable than the original proposal. Also, it would prevent the WCC from swelling at every new Cup. But I suggest new hosts also be allowed in, and submitted to the same rotational basis."

He did some quick math, counting on his fingers, then went on,
"So, if we adopt this... The WCC members to decide for the WC12 hosts would consist in the hosts of... World Cups 11, 10, 1, 3 and 4."

He looked round to make sure his mathmatics weren't flawed, then continued,
"The hosts of World Cup 12, assuming there are two, would be on the Committee for the WC13 and 14 decisions, then would have to wait their rotational turn. And so forth."

Carl instantly took a dislike to the idea.

Eliminate elections? They had just managed to get free and democractic elections in TnUI and here was this guy going on about getting rid of them before they even started.

Carl eyed the man as he listen to Slides babbling on.

"I don't like it." He said in a strong tone of voice.

"The only way we can be accepted by the masses is through fair elections."

Carl submitted some more amendments, while continuing the arguement with Delacroix

[code:1:dec08fd348]
Legislation Act 1349 – Reformation of the World Cup Committee
Also known as the “Drop the Dead Weight Act”

1) The current system whereby the hosts of cups are automatically elected to the Committee for life shall be abolished.

2) There shall be the creation of 6 permanent positions on the Committee, which will be held by representatives until they resign or die

3) There shall be the creation of 2 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held for the term of 4 years by the hosts of the current Cup.

4) There shall be the creation of 4 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held by elected representatives, who in turn will form the “Panel of RP”

5) There shall be the creation of 1 more temporary position on the Committee, which will be held by an elected representative, who in turn will be called “Tea Boy”

6) Should either one or both the host already be members of the Committee, the extra spaces will be filled up with the second and third place runners-up in the election to become “Tea Boy”

Amendments: (Proposed)

i. The initial members of the Committee are as follows: Ariddia, Lemmitania, Spaam, Tanah Burung, Bedistan, Audioslavia, Kingsford, Europa Brittania, Ravenspire, Brazillico, Giant Zucchini, One Red Dot, Oglethorpia, Warnocks Wizards and Total n Utter Insanity.
ii. Selection of the 6 permanent Committee members
a. The 6 permanent positions shall be elected from among the 15 initial members, by the 15 initial members
b. Voting shall take place as follows: Each initial member may vote for up to 6 initial members.
c. Each initial member will telegram its votes to the nation of Ariddia. Ariddia will telegram its votes to the nation of Total n Utter Insanity. Ariddia will tally the number of votes cast for each member, and telegram the totals to Total n Utter Insanity. Total n Utter Insanity will add Ariddia’s votes to the totals and announce the Grand Totals.
d. The six initial members receiving the most votes will be elected Permanent Committee Members.
e. In the case that tie votes prevent six clear winners in the election, those members who have been elected unequivocally shall choose the other Permanent Committee Member(s) from among the tied vote getters.
f. The six PCMs shall have job titles as follows: President, in charge of everything. Vice President, the Presidents right hand man and replaces the President should anything bad happen to him. Vote Collector, in charge of all private votes and is the only one who can officially announce the results. Chief of RP, in charge of the Panel of RP. Website Manager/Chief Historian, in charge of the website. Last, but not least, Minister in charge of Losers Cup [I need a better job title]
iii. Selection of the Panel of RP.
a. The Panel of RP shall be selected from the most active RPers
b. Voting shall take place as follows: The PCMs shall telegram the PCM with the job title Vote Collector with their 4 votes on who the most active RPers, that deserve to be on the Panel are.
c. The VC shall tally up the votes and announce the results.
d. The 4 Members of the Panel of RP shall report directly to the PCM with the job title Chief of RP.
e. The main purpose of the Panel of RP is to decide on the interesting issue of RP Bonuses, how they should be applied, how they are calculated, etc.
iv. Selection of the “Teaboy”
a. An election open to everyone who has been in more than one cup, [aka has a rank other than newb] can enter a representative in the election for the position of Teaboy.
b. An IC thread would be created for with a list of the runners.
c. Every ranked nation would get a vote as to who they would want to see on the WCC [Puppets not included ;)]
[/code:1:dec08fd348]

Slides read through the new document several times, and sighed.

"There is such a thing as too much red tape. No, I agree with my esteemed colleague from Ravenspire. His solution is simple and fair. No-one," he emphasised, "should be forced out of the Committee. Though any member would have the option of renouncing his right to vote in a host selection." He paused. "Oh, and Ariddia is willing to continue to serve as... how did you put it? Vote Collector."

McGuire thought over the proposals of Gilson, Foxcroft, and Delacroix. He finally spoke. "While I can't speak for my Oglethorpian friend--" he jerked his head at McDouglas-- "I would have to agree that your proposed amendments are just making it too complicated, President Foxcroft. Mr. Delacroix's idea seems perfect to me. It would ensure that there are no more than ten voting members at any time, and it shakes it up a bit. I give my support to Delacroix's motion."

After overthrowing the system which made it impossible for new teams to score against established powerhouses, and having watched a fascinating documentary of the Roman Republic, Steve had a light turn on in his head.

"Maybe we could have a tribune," asked Steve, "You know, like a position where the committee member represents and stands up for the little guys. That might help this committee from becoming an authoritarian old boys club."

With the recent upheaval of the dictatorship in Brazillico, Ribeiro had little choice as for which system of membership he prefered. "As for the idea of appointing members, we believe strongly that Gilson's proposition for electing members is the best," said Ribeiro. "Having been under the rule of a tyrant for many years, we feel a democratic process ensures both fairness and the preservation of the best interest of the WCC. We feel that by having both permanent positions to give stability to the committee as well as temporary positions to inject new life and ideas, this is the best way. We give our full support to Legislation Act 1349."

<edit>Ribeiro then paused for a few moments and looked around the room. "Also," said Ribeiro, "With the recent influx of current WCC members vying to host the World Cup, I believe a motion should be past barring WCC Members to vote for themselves."
[code:1:d00541f52b]
Legislation Act 1350
"Can't Vote Yourself to Host the Cup Act"

1. This act proposes that, as of the election process to determine the hosts for World Cup XII to be held February 7th, World Cup Committee members will be barred from voting for their own bid.
a- Whereas, the Committee member aspiring to host the World Cup will either have the choice to (1) vote for another hosting bid or (2) not vote at all.
b- Any votes cast by a World Cup Committee member endorsing his own bid shall be considered a spoiled ballot and not be counted in the tallying process.[/code:1:d00541f52b]

"This act ensures that all bids have an equal chance," explained Ribeiro, "and I have the utmost faith that this process will ensure that the best bid shall prevail, regardless if the host nations are in the WCC or not."

"While I still stand behind Mr. Delacroix's proposal, I do believe that Mr. Ribiero has raised a valid point," McGuire responded. "Such stacking of the deck in favor of the same hosts over and over is unethical and not at all fair to the common nation. In addition, given the fact that my nation may be planning to host another Cup within the next fifteen years," he added, "it would stick in my craw to think that such a bid might win because of my own vote."

McGuire thus indicated his approval of Legislation Proposal 1350.

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"I can agree with that," Delacroix said. "Although personally, I'd taken it as granted in any case."

"I can agree with that," Delacroix said. "Although personally, I'd taken it as granted in any case."

*Daniel hears all the positive remarks made about Brazillico's legislation to ban WCC members from voting for their own hosting bid. He curses. Spaam's new delegate, a replacement for the 'otherwise occupied' Jean Claude Van Damme, growls like a small grey dog with a smokers cough. Daniel turns and blames the dog, whom he calls 'Mutley' and quietly bangs his fist on the table, hurting his fist. The small grey dog laughs at Daniel in a peculiarly husky way*

*Daniel smiles to himself and takes a breath*

Daniel: We agree with Brazillico's legislation, i suppose it is fair, and necessary when the WCC gets 'streamlined'.

Clem: you said 'is' in italics, how did you do that?

Daniel: umm...

A rather tall, slim, and surprisingly youthful wizard stumbles into the chamber. He is attired in the traditional red and white robe of the order of Warnock and wears a rather silly looking pointed hat. Clearing his throat politely, he strides up to the table and takes a seat.

Ufhur the Hated: Sorry for being late, the invitation took a while in getting to our Empire. And, it must be said our postal service is like most in the known universe, inefficient and working at a time all of their own making.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is Ufhur the Hated and I am the Minister for Sport for the Empire of Warnocks Wizards.

We have been following proceedings from afar and would like to propose an alternate way of reform, if the committee would indulge us. Given our Empire's history and that rather nasty little War for the Ring, we are sensitive to anyone holding permanent power. In principle we support Act 1349, but don't like the idea of anyone holding a permanent position, no matter how benevolent they appear. On the other hand, the other proposed reform, with the rotating committee membership, has a certain randomness to it. What we propose is a sort of compromise between the two positions.

First, that an executive council is created to serve an indefinite term. The executive council of say five members will be elected by the initial set of World Cup Committee members and will be charged with the smooth day to day running of affairs. And have the ability to decide on whether proposals from a second body will be enacted into practice.

Second, there will be created a legislative or debating body comprised of the remaining initial WCC members. This body will be charged with proposing reforms to the executive council.

Additionally, the legislative body can vote in new members from the World Cup community as a whole if they are in 2/3 agreement. The legislative body further has the power to vote someone off of the executive council or out of the legislative body if 3/4 of the legislating members are in agreement. The Panel of RP or any other such reforming or fact finding mission that is deemed necessary by the executive council, will be comprised of members of the legislative body.

Anyone who is a former World Cup host or co-host will hold a lifetime appointment to the legislative body. Those who are serving on the executive council, while holding membership to the legislative body, cannot vote within that body while they are serving on the council.

This newly proposed system allows for a refined group to make executive decisions at the top while at the same time giving a place and a say to those who have put time in to host a cup in the past. It provides a stability that the rotating proposal does not, while at the same time creating a system of checks and balances to prevent anyone from having too much power and authority. It also provides a way for experienced World Cup community members who may not have the experience or inclination to host a Cup to have some input into suggesting and voting on reforms.

Well, that pretty much sums up our proposal. We would like to hear committee members opinion on this.

Ufhur the Hated: Moreover, we'd just like to add that we support Act 1350 and are voting for it.

Slides listened and found himself wondering why Ufhur was Hated. He seemed like a rather nice chap, on the whole. And his proposal did make sense... although Slides still prefered Delacroix's.

"Ariddia votes in favour of proposal 1350 against voting for oneself as host," he put in. "Although such votes have never as yet tipped the balance, it would be unfair were this one day to happen. Now, although our wizard - sorry, Wizard friend raises an interesting idea, I still primarily support Mr. Delacroix's proposal, which seems to me simple, fair and efficient."

An orc wearing a red and white robe three sizes too big for him runs/trips into the room. He hands a note to Ufhur the Hated.

Ufhur the Hated: Excuse me once again, dear committee members. I apologise in advance for bringing up something so off topic, but I have just been handed a note concerning an interesting question arising out of a current issue in World Cup qualifying.

For reasons we need not go into, The Belmore Family is suggesting they will not show up at a scheduled qualification match. Our colleagues from TnUI and representatives of our own federation have decided that should TBF not show up for the scheduled match, they will forfeit the said match. However, the question has arisen what should the scoreline awarded to TBF's opponents be, should TBF forfeit? Researchers in our Ministry of Research/Detection of Rubbish (MORDOR) have found precedents of 2-0 and 3-0 scorelines being awarded in these cases. In the opinion of the committee, what should the scoreline be?

OOC: Yep another OOC post. Due to the amount of time it is taking to deicide things, I’m gonna open this closed session of the WCC. I was hoping we could get the reformation out of the way and then have an open session, but I guess not. Invites to all ranked footballing nations to send a representative with a proposal for the WCC. Also I’m gonna be renumbering the acts and listing them all in the first post when they are finished…make that if they are finished.

Javier turned to Ufhur. "As I recall, the last time a match was forfeited was after the East Spaamanians had massacred the Evisceratomatoes, leaving them unable to play Cockbill Street. That match was recorded as a 3-0 win for Cockbill Street. I think we should follow that lead.

"Personally, I don't see why TBF feel it necessary to forfeit such a match, but if that's what they want to do..." He mused. "We didn't even realize our 100th match had come until it had already passed. Alas, it was our 1-0 loss to Squornshelous. Kinda disappointing. Er...where was I?" He thought, and being unable to determine what he was talking about, decided instead to just shut up.

A rejistanian, clad in a blue suit with an orange tie entered the room. It was Teke Daran, chief of RejisFA. "Hejida nara!" he greeted the other representatives. "Sorry that I am late, I didn't found the location." He looked at the displayed question, raised his hand and after he was allowed to speak said: "In our league, the result of forfeit matches is 8-0, simply to keep teams from forfeiting against an opponent, they have no hope to lose lowly against. But since Cup is not the league, I would like to see it only 3-0. That's deterring enough!"

The Vice President of the Commerce Heights Footballing Federation walks into the room. He carries with him a small visual communications device to allow contact with the CHFF president, who was unavailable for the flight to Ariddia. He sits down, appearing to be sleeping. Javier McGuire hits him over the head, and he attempts to listen to the conversation.

(OOC: The name would be Parit Tachon.)

The man from Liverpool England walked in. Caddy Cannon, ex-national player, now representing the Football Committee in Ariddia. Taking hs seat, he tries to catch up on what he has missed.

KPFA chief executive Seran Berbizek was due to appear at the opened-out WCC meeting, but was unfortunately unable to. It was determined that Stats Progressa representative Bebnae Zahrink should appear instead. Bebnae appeared to be the only female in the room, which made her nervous as she too spoke out on the match forfeit rule.

'The value for a forfeited match should be sufficient to be a deterrent,' she said. 'And 3-0 may not be that. However, as a precedent has been set for the use of a 3-0 result in this situation, the rule should be maintained as such. National football associations should also be given substantial fines if the situation is of their own doing, as with the Belmore Family situation at present.'

She also spoke out, predictably given her role, on ranking systems.

'Ranking systems should be open, transparent and their calculation methods clear to all, regardless of whether or not the results of the match are determined by spreadsheet and hologram manipulation based on these rankings as is strongly rumoured,' she asserted. 'The KPB ranking system is the simplest solution to the problems of the original system's short-termism and fulfils all of these criteria. The present TnUI system does not appear to be open or transparent and indeed the present ranks were concealed by that nation's statistics body for a significant period of time.'

Ab Francisco whispered something in Carl’s ear, to which he nodded before Mr Francisco left the room. As he opened the doors 4 people entered. Carl waited for them to take the platform, but only one of them did, the rest sat down. While the lady was speaking Carl nodded to the guards who grabbed the three others and removed them from the room. The lady had finished her rant about ranking systems, choosing to attack the IFA and promote her own system. Carl nodded to the guards again and she was ejected from the building “Uncle Phil style”.

“Now that we have got that unpleasantness over with we can get back to the topic in hand.”

OOC: If you aren’t on the WCC you can’t stay in this room. Non-WCC Nations can send someone to present ideas, rules or something else for the WCC to discuss and pass laws on.

[code:1:6fb84c56e9]Legislation Act 1 – Reformation of the World Cup Committee
Also known as the “Drop the Dead Weight Act”

1. The current system whereby the hosts of cups are automatically elected to the Committee for life shall be abolished.

2. There shall be the creation of 6 permanent positions on the Committee, which will be held by representatives until they resign or die

3. There shall be the creation of 2 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held for the term of 4 years by the hosts of the current Cup.

4. There shall be the creation of 4 temporary positions on the Committee, which will be held by elected representatives, who in turn will form the “Panel of RP”

5. There shall be the creation of 1 more temporary position on the Committee, which will be held by an elected representative, who in turn will be called “Tea Boy”

6. Should either one or both the host already be members of the Committee, the extra spaces will be filled up with the second and third place runners-up in the election to become “Tea Boy”

Amendments: (Proposed)

i. The initial members of the Committee are as follows: Ariddia, Lemmitania, Spaam, Tanah Burung, Bedistan, Audioslavia, Kingsford, Europa Brittania, Ravenspire, Brazillico, Giant Zucchini, One Red Dot, Oglethorpia, Warnocks Wizards and Total n Utter Insanity.
ii. Selection of the 6 permanent Committee members
a. The 6 permanent positions shall be elected from among the 15 initial members, by the 15 initial members
b. Voting shall take place as follows: Each initial member may vote for up to 6 initial members.
c. Each initial member will telegram its votes to the nation of Ariddia. Ariddia will telegram its votes to the nation of Total n Utter Insanity. Ariddia will tally the number of votes cast for each member, and telegram the totals to Total n Utter Insanity. Total n Utter Insanity will add Ariddia’s votes to the totals and announce the Grand Totals.
d. The six initial members receiving the most votes will be elected Permanent Committee Members.
e. In the case that tie votes prevent six clear winners in the election, those members who have been elected unequivocally shall choose the other Permanent Committee Member(s) from among the tied vote getters.
f. The six PCMs shall have job titles as follows: President, in charge of everything. Vice President, the Presidents right hand man and replaces the President should anything bad happen to him. Vote Collector, in charge of all private votes and is the only one who can officially announce the results. Chief of RP, in charge of the Panel of RP. Website Manager/Chief Historian, in charge of the website. Last, but not least, Minister in charge of Losers Cup [I need a better job title]
iii. Selection of the Panel of RP.
a. The Panel of RP shall be selected from the most active RPers
b. Voting shall take place as follows: The PCMs shall telegram the PCM with the job title Vote Collector with their 4 votes on who the most active RPers, that deserve to be on the Panel are.
c. The VC shall tally up the votes and announce the results.
d. The 4 Members of the Panel of RP shall report directly to the PCM with the job title Chief of RP.
e. The main purpose of the Panel of RP is to decide on the interesting issue of RP Bonuses, how they should be applied, how they are calculated, etc.
iv. Selection of the “Teaboy”
a. An election open to everyone who has been in more than one cup, [aka has a rank other than newb] can enter a representative in the election for the position of Teaboy.
b. An IC thread would be created for with a list of the runners.
c. Every ranked nation would get a vote as to who they would want to see on the WCC [Puppets not included ;)][/code:1:6fb84c56e9]

[code:1:6fb84c56e9]Rule 1 - You Can't Vote For Yourself To Host

1. Members of the World Cup Committee can no long vote for their respective countries bid. Their vote will not be counted towards the final tally.[/code:1:6fb84c56e9]

[code:1:6fb84c56e9]Rule 2 - Helping Newbies To Host

1. Hosting bids must be a partnership between two nations, only one of which can be on the World Cup Committee.[/code:1:6fb84c56e9]

[code:1:6fb84c56e9]Rule 3 - Forfeiting A Match

1. Should any team not make it to their scheduled match at the designated time, they shall forfeit the match by a scoreline of three to nothing. Unless they can prove to the World Cup Committee that they had a good reason for not doing so.[/code:1:6fb84c56e9]

“I support all 4 motions.” Carl said.

“Also I have another interesting…Hmmm maybe that’s not the right word…discrepancy.”

WC8
A1 v B2
A2 v H2
B1 v G2
G1 v H1
C1 v F2
C2 v F1
D1 v E2
E1 v D2

WC9
A1 v B2
D1 v E2
C1 v D2
F1 v G2
E1 v F2
H1 v A2
G1 v H2
B1 v C2

WC10
A1 v C2
B1 v D2
C1 v A2
D1 v B2
E1 v G2
F1 v H2
G1 v E2
H1 v F2

“As you can see from the chart, once Round One of the Finals is finished there is no set way for the teams to be drawn next. I purpose we standardize the draw.”

"I support the three proposed rules," Javier indicated.

Noting Foxcroft's chart, he then wrote furiously on a sheet of paper. Double-checking it to make sure it was in English this time, he sent it to the center of the table.

[code:1:c130abea70]Rule 4 - Standardization of Second Round Draws

1. The matchups for the second round of each Cup shall be determined as follows:

a. Winner of Group A vs Runner-up of Group H
b. Winner of Group B vs Runner-up of Group G
c. Winner of Group C vs Runner-up of Group F
d. Winner of Group D vs Runner-up of Group E
e. Winner of Group E vs Runner-up of Group D
f. Winner of Group F vs Runner-up of Group C
g. Winner of Group G vs Runner-up of Group B
h. Winner of Group H vs Runner-up of Group A

2. The groups referenced above shall refer to the groups used in the first round of that same Cup.[/code:1:c130abea70]

OOC: Sorry for not realising how much of a role I could play as a non-WCC member. Shoulda read page one, silly me.

Carl looked over Rule 4.

"Hmmm...With that setup the hosts could meet each other before the final. Maybe we should use the World Cup 10 version instead?"

Bebnae disappears and sends in the following structure for consideration:

a. Winner A vs 2nd F
b. Winner B vs 2nd E
c. Winner C vs 2nd H
d. Winner D vs 2nd G
e. Winner E vs 2nd B
f. Winner F vs 2nd A
g. Winner G vs 2nd D
h. Winner H vs 2nd C

Supplementary notes: The structure assumes co-hosts are in Groups D and H.

OOC: This was the structure used in the 2002 World Cup.

Jake Tomms, Belmorian Minister for Sport, rushed in. The World Cup Committee, The Communist Would Be's of The Belmore Family have to ask that this rule is enforced:

[code:1:14d1eece70]Second Round (Round of 16) draw standard-

1. This is how all teams that qualify from the first round of the World Cup are to face each other:

Winner of Group F Vs Runner Up of Group A
Winner of Group H Vs Runner Up of Group C
Winner of Group C Vs Runner Up of Group H
Winner of Group A Vs Runner Up of Group F
Winner of Group B Vs Runner Up of Group E
Winner of Group D Vs Runner Up of Group G
Winner of Group E Vs Runner Up of Group B
Winner of Group G Vs Runner Up of Group D[/code:1:14d1eece70]

OOC:RL Match-Ups

"I approve rules one and three," Slides said. "Rule 2 is already de facto the case, almost, but I see no need to institutionalise it as a restrictive obligation. We should continue to accept all manners of hosting bids."

He paused.

"It seems to me we're rushing through too many things at once without getting anywhere and without actually making any decisions. Perhaps we should focus on the original proposal, complete with its amendments, and its counterproposals, and vote on which proposal to adopt. If any; there would also be the option of leaving things as they are. Then, once that is done, we can vote on the three additional rules."

He smiled.
"Let's put a little order into all this, shall we?"

Carl looked at Slides.

~ Stupid Commie. ~ He thought.

"It's hardly a "restrictive obligation" practically all bids have been dual nations for the past 20 odd years. It is only during the recent bidding that no less than two all World Cup Committee nation bids have happened, making me believe that limiting such action will stop the same nations hosting repeatedly."

~ Did that just make sense? ~

Just then a Belmorian rushed in. Waving a chart of Second Round Fixtures.

"Guard will you escort our friend out and lock the door."

"As for the matter of one thing at a time, I don't think that would be in the best interests of the Committee in its current incarnation. After a reform maybe, but currently things are too slow."

Slides frowned.

"Will you tell me how the Committee can decide whether or not to change "incarnation", and if so how to do so, if it must wait until it has done so before deciding on whether to do so?"

Carl looked confused, but hid it quickly.

"All I am saying is, we can decide these few rules while we make up our minds about the reform."

Slides shrugged.

"As it is, everyone is giving their mind, but we're not achieving anything, not actually deciding. I believe it would be best to take each matter in turn, vote, decide, and move on to the next."

Ufhur the Hated: We vote in favour of Rules 1-3, they seem most reasonable.

As for the reform of the committee, we note that Legislative Act 1 was not the only proposal offered. Hence, we move that Ravenspire's proposal and WW's proposal be designated Legislative Acts 2 and 3 respectively, and that these also should be formally considered by the committee members.

As for standardising the second round draw in the World Cup...assuming Groups A-D are in one country and Groups E-H are in the other, it seems to us the system used for WC10 is the most logical:

WC10
A1 v C2
B1 v D2
C1 v A2
D1 v B2

E1 v G2
F1 v H2
G1 v E2
H1 v F2

This allows the teams to play in the same country for the second round that they did for the group phase. Under any other proposal, some teams would have to travel from one host to the other from the group phase to round two. This may pose a problem in terms of logistics and fatigue as, using the current WC as an example, Uhuhland might be far away from Middle Earth.

Uhuhland might be far away from Middle Earth.

OOC:
Since he's just flown from Middle Earth to Uhuhland, one would assume he would know for sure. ;)

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2nd Round Quarter Final Semi-Final Final
Game 1: 1A v 2B -\
Game 2: 1C v 2D --QF1: W1 v W2 --\
Game 3: 1B v 2A --QF2: W3 v W4 ---SF1: WQF1 v WQF2\
Game 4: 1D v 2C -/ \
WSF1 v WSF2
Game 5: 1E v 2F -\ /
Game 6: 1G v 2H --QF3: W5 v W6 ---SF2: WQF3 v WQF4/
Game 7: 1F v 2E --QF4: W7 v W8 --/
Game 8: 1H v 2G -/
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Daniel shows the room his drawing.

Daniel: what do you think? its a space rocket! i drew it all by myself!

Carl was getting exasperated.

"I want you to draw up your proposals Mr Hated, Mr Delacroix. Then we can have the vote."

Carl continued to add to his proposal while he waited for the others to draw up theirs.

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v. Job Descriptions
a. All 13 members have one vote on which hosting bid shall succeed, unless they are one of the bidding nations.
b. The Panel of RP shall play no part in Legislation, or Rule Making. Their primary concern is Role Playing.
c. The Remaining 9 Members must vote a majority on Legislation/Rules for them to pass or fail.
d. The President, Vice President, CoRP and the Hosts shall work together for independent result and table generation.
e. The President, Vice President, MLC and the Losers Cup Host shall work together for independent result and table generation.
f. The Host for the Losers Cup shall be chosen by the Panel of RP and the MLC.
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Ufhur the Hated notes, "We like your 'space ship,' Daniel. It has a nice logic and symmetry to it. Perhaps that should be the model for future World Cups?"

Ufhur stands up, and begins walking around the table, handing out a scroll to each of the committee members in attendence. He nearly trips several times, but displays a certain grace, avoiding falling completely on his face. As he stumbles around the room he adds, "Ah, before we forget...our scribes have been composing the following for the committee members' attention and perusal:"

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Legislation Act 3 - Dissolution of the World Cup Committee,
Creation of the World Cup Executive Council & World Cup Assembly

The current World Cup Committee shall be dissolved. The World Cup Executive Council and World Cup Assembly shall be created.

I. The World Cup Executive Council
1. The World Cup Executive Council shall be created. The council, comprised of five members, will be elected by the fifteen members of the former World Cup Committee.

2. The Executive Council will be charged with the smooth day to day running of affairs, inheriting the former executive responsibilities of the defunct World Cup Committee.

3. The Executive Council also has the ability to decide on whether proposals from a second body, the World Cup Assembly, will be enacted into practice.

4. The Executive Council has the ability to suggest reforms to the Assembly to consider and vote on.

5. The Executive Council has the ability to create committees to look into reform or compose reports. These committees must be comprised of at most one member of the Council and at least two members of the Assembly.

6. Members of the Executive Council serve an indefinite term, although may be removed from the council by vote by the Assembly (see II.4 below).

II. World Cup Assembly
1. A World Cup Assembly shall be created, comprised initially of the ten remaining former World Cup Committee members.

2. The Assembly shall be charged with the ability to debate and propose reforms to the Executive Council.

3. Members of the Assembly have the ability to vote in new members from the World Cup community as a whole if they are in 2/3 agreement.

4. The Assembly further has the power to vote someone off of the Executive Council or out of the Assembly if 3/4 of the assembly members are in agreement.

5. In the event that a member of the Executive council resigns or the Assembly removes a council member from the Executive Council, the Assembly will be charged with selecting a replacement to serve on the council.

6. Any tied votes on any issue in the Assembly will be settled by an Executive Council member designated by the Executive Council.

7. Anyone who is a former World Cup host or co-host will hold a lifetime appointment to the Assembly, providing they are not voted out of the Assembly.

8. Those who are serving on the executive council, while holding ceremonial membership to the Assembly, cannot vote within that body while they are serving on the council. (Except when noted above at II.6)
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Jean Claude Van Damme swings back into the room, crashing through a window, holding the cutest little kitten you ever did see.

"Sorry.... had to get lunch."

He then eats the kitten raw and alive, mewling in agony.

"Ahhhh.... much better."

"Now, I vish to put my full support to Ufhur's proposal, being ze most sensible and innovative proposal ve have had to date. As for assigning roles, I zink zat is unreasonable, as members may have lives outside of zis council, like saving runaway trains."

(At this point a speeding train horn is heard in the distance.)

"So, I move zat in addition to Ufhur's proposal, ve do not designate roles, but razer members fill zose roles as necessary."

"As for standardisation for ze spaceship, I move zat it is not necessary to standardise it, and zis discussion should be zrown out until we have nozing else to do."

He ducks as a missile zooms though the room.

"Damn Germans...."

"Anyway, now for my proposal. Seeing as zere is a lot of debate as to how to run ze qualifiers, and zere is a lot of trouble wiz agreeing, I move zat we investigate the regional qualifying idea. I have drawn up a draft idea as so:"

[code:1:ddd3f4a507]
Draft Proposal For Regional Qualifying

1. In this proposal, qualifying regions is a purely abstract term, and shall not hold any relation to the region that a nation is situated in, with one exception.

2. If a nation is contained within a region that is the basis for a qualifying region, then that nation is to remain in that qualifying region.

3. A nation, unless subject to the above exception, may situate themselves within any qualifying region.

4. Each qualifying region shall have a set number of automatic qualifying positions. These numbers shall be determined based on the number of nations in each qualifying region, and the quality of footballing nations within that qualifying region. These numbers shall be determined by the World Cup Executive Committee.

5. Should there be a number of qualifying positions left over from the automatic qualifying positions, then these positions shall be allocated in a way devised by the World Cup Executive Committee, and shall be played off by the runners-up to the automatic qualifying positions.

6. Each qualifying position will be run by a member of the World Cup Executive Committee, and/or any other Assembly Member that is deemed appropriate by the Executive Committee.
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"In addition to zis proposal, I put forward ze draft idea zat zere be 4 qualifying regions, based on ze zree biggest footballing regions, and a purely abstract region. Ze zree biggest fottballing regions are: The Heartland, FIFA, and The Emerald Heights. Ze fourz region may be called anyzing, but I nominate zat it be called Errinundera, after ze former great footballing nation. Please note zat no nation is to move from zere current region if zey do not wish to. However, if zey reside in any of ze zree biggest footballing regions, zen zey are to remain in ze qualifying region of ze same name.

Each nation zat wishes to participate in ze qualifying, must nominate zeir qualifying region of choice, if zey have not already been fixed one. After zat, ze World Cup Executive Committee shall decide ze number of automatic qualifying positions for each of ze qualifying regions, and ze mezod as to which the remaining qualifying positions are to be filled."

"And anyone who says zat zere is a double post here shall die a horrible horrible deaz."

"Mr. Van Damme," said Ribeiro, "Hasn't the notion of regional qualifying already been proved unreasonable, unpheasable and unpleasant? The system of qualification in place works very well and I don't see why we need to keep getting away from the main task at hand which is to streamline the WCC. On the aforementioned topic, we find the proposal by Mr. Hated from Warnocks Wizards to be the most suitable to date."

"Ariddia still backs the Ravenspire proposal," Slides said. "And we agree with Mr. Ribeiro on the unnecessit-" He paused. "On the fact that the regions stuff is neither necessary nor, uh... desirable."

"I think there are too many committee members," said the Ravenspire delegate, a white-haired man of middle age by the name of Victor Delacroix who wore a pristine white suit and walked with the aid of a cane. "We might as well keep things as they are, as go with this proposal; it would mean a great deal of trouble over elections and such for little or no real benefit."

He paused, reviewing the draft. "I propose a committee of seven members, none of them permanent: the current host or hosts and the host or host of the previous Cup among them. The remaining slots will be filled by other still-active former hosts on a rotational basis, beginning with the first World Cup.

"This would eliminate the need for elections, eliminate the possibility of a tie in the committee's voting, and provide generally equal representation to all current members over the long run."

"Vell, I am just putting forward a proposal to try and curb all ze discontent vith ze current system of qualifying. Some of us are happy wiz TnUI's system, and some of us wish to return to ze good ol' days of dice rolling. Zink of zis regional qualification zen as different systems of qualification to satsify everyone. Ze current World Cup vill stay ze same."

He picks the kitten fur from his teeth.

"However, Brazillico is right. I suggest ve vote on Ufhur's proposal now. I believe ve need 6 votes to pass it? In zat case, I vote aye."

Ribeiro listened to the mindless chatter about utterly useless subjects going about the room. He shuffled through the belongings in his briefcase and found his airplane ticket to the Isla Mondado resort. “We haven’t already been here two weeks,” he thought to himself, but indeed he had as the Committee continued to squander time.

“Members of the World Cup Committee,” said Ribeiro, “these talks are going nowhere. If we don’t have a new constitution to streamline the World Cup Committee in place soon, my nation will be forced to walk out on these talks. We cannot continue to twiddle our thumbs and lollygag, as the World Cup is almost upon us.”

Ribeiro pretended to look at his notes, but really took a glance at the date on his plane ticket.

“If a new constitution hasn’t been agreed upon by Saturday at 12:00AM (Forum RL Time), Brazillico will exit this summit,” said Ribeiro. “There are many very important topics to tackle, but we will be unable to do so with success until a new constitution is formed. I suggest we host a vote in two days time, where which ever constitution can win over 50%+1 of the votes shall become out new constitution. We cannot reach a complete and total consensus so it is useless to waste our time in continuing to try to do so. For the good of the World Cup, we must act swiftly.”

"Agreed!" Slides said forcefully, silently wishing he could just walk out too. "Now, we have three proposals for reform. I suggest that each member of the WCC vote for one of the three or, alternately, to leave things as they are. That's four possibilities:

* TnUI proposal
* Ravenspire proposal
* WW proposal
* no change

To avoid cluttering up the forum and worsening my headache, just each send me a telegram with your vote. Or vote here AND by telegram. Whatever. Let's just do it."

He glanced at Ribeiro, rolled his eyes and sank back into his seat.

"I urge everyone to vote NOW. I also vant my opinion known, in zat I think Ufhur's (WW's) proposal is ze most sensible."

He then rushes out through the closed door, chasing some unseen evil.

At last some action; Carl was beginning to think resigning would be the best option.

"So the main differences are, the WW proposal doesn’t have job titles, it has the same chaotic state as we have now. The Ravenspire proposal makes it even more chaotic and the TnUI proposal is the only one that would see real change."

Carl decided he had better just vote than get into another argument.

"I’ll vote for order."

Ufhur slowly shakes his head. "Carl, does merely providing job titles equal change? The truth is change, no matter what proposal is voted on (or indeed if no proposal is voted on), is still in the hands of the individuals that are on the committee or council at the top.

Please record our vote for Legislation Act 3, the WW proposal."

Finally, we're getting somewhere, Slides thought as he kept track of the votes.

* TnUI proposal: 1
* Ravenspire proposal: 1
* WW proposal: 2
* no change: 0

"We like the WW proposal," said Ribeiro, "because of its democratic procedure and the ability for the council to add job titles if need be, which would incorporate the main point Carl is trying to drive across."

Clem: Although we have some concerns about the lack of mechanisms specified in it, the Lemmitanian Ministry of Sports has asked me to vote in favor of the proposal put forth by the Empire of Warnocks Wizards.

We note that the Wizards' proposal has the advantage of flexibility, in that the Assembly and Executive Committee would together have the power to enact reforms along the lines of those proposed by Mr. Foxcroft, or along other lines.

While we hope that mechanisms for voting will be specified in the future, we do not want to delay the vote any further. Lemmitania votes in favor of the Warnocks Wizards' proposal.

* TnUI proposal: 1
* Ravenspire proposal: 1
* WW proposal: 4
* no change: 0

Without saying a word, Javier McGuire simply casts his ballot for the proposal from Warnocks Wizards.

Without saying a word, Javier McGuire simply casts his ballot for the proposal from Warnocks Wizards.

Without saying a word, Javier McGuire simply casts his ballot for the proposal from Warnocks Wizards.

* TnUI proposal: 1
* Ravenspire proposal: 1
* WW proposal: 5
* no change: 0

BUMP

*Daniel gives a 'no change' vote*

* TnUI proposal: 1
* Ravenspire proposal: 1
* WW proposal: 5
* no change: 1

At this rate, WW's proposal is a clear winner, but we need 3 more votes to make it certain.

At this rate, WW's proposal is a clear winner, but we need 3 more votes to make it certain.

*nods* I don't see any other outcome, but there has to be a majority vote.

“You f---ers couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery, I’m fed up with all the crap I get as head of this bloody organization. I resign.”

And with that he stormed out.

“You f---ers couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery, I’m fed up with all the crap I get as head of this bloody organization. I resign.”

And with that he stormed out.

*Daniel looks at his watch*

5 minutes, 32 seconds... i think thats a record even for a TnUIan...

Daniel goes off on one and, to get everyone's attention, talks like his words are written in bold:

to be honest, i'm of the opinion that this whole democratic thing doesnt work at all, and that the hosts decide how they want to run their cup. This'll stop all the bickering surely. Also, i think the best way to vote for hosts is to let all the previous hosts vote for one of the candidates.

Basically, i think were going the wrong way with the whole 'how shall we set up a decision-making process' thang. I dont think there should be a few uber-vets deciding everything, I think the hosts should have 100% control over the world cup. They decide how to draw the groups, how to run the scores etc, and if you dont like how they propose to do it, dont vote for them.

I think the monicker 'WCC' should be abandoned completely, and the only title any nation should have should be 'former-host' or 'founding host'. Obviously, Ariddia would be the founding host, and the former hosts should be the, you guessed it, former hosts.

to be honest, i'm of the opinion that this whole democratic thing doesnt work at all, and that the hosts decide how they want to run their cup. This'll stop all the bickering surely. Also, i think the best way to vote for hosts is to let all the previous hosts vote for one of the candidates.

Basically, i think were going the wrong way with the whole 'how shall we set up a decision-making process' thang. I dont think there should be a few uber-vets deciding everything, I think the hosts should have 100% control over the world cup. They decide how to draw the groups, how to run the scores etc, and if you dont like how they propose to do it, dont vote for them.

I think the monicker 'WCC' should be abandoned completely, and the only title any nation should have should be 'former-host' or 'founding host'. Obviously, Ariddia would be the founding host, and the former hosts should be the, you guessed it, former hosts.

Much as I want to disagree with one of my co-host rivals thinking it could help my chances and to agree would mean AS gets the credit and hence wins the vote, I totally agree with every word here. Hosts should have control, because that reduces arguments. The argument for centralisation of result generation died as the trend for co-hosting was born, IMO.

I've come up with a good number of ideas (I'm not saying a number of good ideas... though IMO they are) for hosting WC12 - the use of the KPB ranking system and a result generation sheet based on that system's rank values (to better represent differences between sides); the use of the IRL system of groupings (which was an idea I also had for WC11); draws to take place in stratified pots a la the WC6 'emergency' draw.

I've tested out the KPB-based result sheet and have found that it seems to generate reasonable results: the proportion of home wins, away wins and draws seems pretty good (41.44% home wins, 31.61% away wins and 26.94% draws in games between equal sides; compare against 43.75% home wins, 29.81% away wins and 26.44% draws in the Premiership so far this season); RP bonuses have a significant effect on newer sides but less so for established sides, as demanded by several established nations (if both sides were newbies but the away team had RPed five games to the home side's none, the away team has a better than 50-50 chance of a win; if two sides shared Lemmy's top ranking and the away team had RPed five games to the home side's none, the home side still have more chance of winning); goals per game seems to be realistic (around 2.62 per game but variable depending on rankings; compare vs. just under 2.6 per game in the Premiership this season).

Slides watched, bemused, as his TnUIan colleague stormed out. He lifted his eyebrows slightly.

"Interesting."

Once the others had finished giving their opinions, he too glanced at his watch.
"Soooo... Do we just drop the whole thing, or wait to have a majority vote? We're having a party in this room tonight, so the debate has to be over by then." He looked at the others expectantly.

Slides watched, bemused, as his TnUIan colleague stormed out. He lifted his eyebrows slightly.

"Interesting."

Once the others had finished giving their opinions, he too glanced at his watch.
"Soooo... Do we just drop the whole thing, or wait to have a majority vote? We're having a party in this room tonight, so the debate has to be over by then." He looked at the others expectantly.

Daniel *cracking open a can of 'Aln Bru'*

i think we should all get wasted on cheap shoddy Belmorian lager and agree to stop arguing and just give all the power in the world to whoevers hosting the world cup

Slides watched, bemused, as his TnUIan colleague stormed out. He lifted his eyebrows slightly.

"Interesting."

Once the others had finished giving their opinions, he too glanced at his watch.
"Soooo... Do we just drop the whole thing, or wait to have a majority vote? We're having a party in this room tonight, so the debate has to be over by then." He looked at the others expectantly.

Daniel *cracking open a can of 'Aln Bru'*

i think we should all get wasted on cheap shoddy Belmorian lager and agree to stop arguing and just give all the power in the world to whoevers hosting the world cup

dubbleposht

“You f---ers couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery, I’m fed up with all the crap I get as head of this bloody organization. I resign.”

And with that he stormed out.

Ok TnUI, what exactly precipated this outburst?

Personally, I think WW's proposal is a good one. I think the point of it is to HELP the hosts, not to tell them what to do. And then there is the whole voting for hosts thing. Whats more, just having one president do everything is completely unreasonable, considering most of us have outside lives. But having a nice inner circle of 5 bigguns keeping things on track, and everyone else running things sounds great.
We do need SOME standardisation, like ranking systems, in which we've gotten some nice proposals, and the ever present quest for a perfect formula. But the rest is, and always will be, left up to the hosts. Which is how it should be.

SO my proposal is, just accept this proposal of WW's, vote in the big 5 (prolly should just put TnUI in there anyway, for once he's found himself), and then just get on with making sure everything is okeydokey.

“You f---ers couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery, I’m fed up with all the crap I get as head of this bloody organization. I resign.”

And with that he stormed out.

Ok TnUI, what exactly precipated this outburst?


OOC:A small disagreement over his RP bonuses in the #wcc channel.

“You f---ers couldn’t organize a piss up in a brewery, I’m fed up with all the crap I get as head of this bloody organization. I resign.”

And with that he stormed out.

Ok TnUI, what exactly precipated this outburst?


OOC:A small disagreement over his RP bonuses in the #wcc channel.

It is no secret that it is not a favourite among a number of the old crowd, however, we will deal with it for this Cup, and if we want to change it, we will. Hopefully TnUI will continue to lend his invaluable help to the World Cup effort.

to be honest, i've grown to like TnUI's idea of RP bonus in ranks. However, I think the 'official' rankings should be done using the Brazillico system, and TnUI (or whoever) should add his RP bonus to that, without posting the newly bonusified ranks.

Ufhur the Hated: For what it's worth, we suggest some patience on coming to a decision on the reform system. It seems to us, that if we come to an agreement over a reformed structure of the WCC, no matter how long it takes, let's take the time to make sure that we get it right. By last official count, there are still seven committee members who have not yet recorded their vote. Let's wait to see what they have to say or how they vote before we come to a decision on how to proceed. That said, perhaps a Telegram to each of the seven nations who have yet to vote is in order. We suggest that the honourable delegate from Ariddia, as vote collector, contact each of the seven, noting that the committee is now voting on the future structure of the committee and that their votes are needed with all due speed.

The Giant Zucchini delegate looks interested in the Warnock Wizards proposal, but eventually goes for a no change vote.

* TnUI proposal: 1
* Ravenspire proposal: 1
* WW proposal: 5
* no change: 2

Telegrams sent.

Association of Football Director George McDouglas scrawled his vote for the Warnock's Wizards proposal on a small slip of paper, passing it along to the proper vote-recorder.

Association of Football Director George McDouglas scrawled his vote for the Warnock's Wizards proposal on a small slip of paper, passing it along to the proper vote-recorder.

Which just happens to be yours truly.

* TnUI proposal: 1
* Ravenspire proposal: 1
* WW proposal: 6
* no change: 2

It would be kinda good if we got this settled BEFORE the next cup. So maybe putting a time limit on, say, Sunday?

OOC:

What I think is that there is absolutely no need for a committee of any sort, the host controls all. True that is may throw the whole game into chaos is someone abandons halfway (ahem..won't mention names), but having a committe will just turn what was originally a recreational stint on NationStates into a full scale government ministry. If you all still insist on some form of government, then I think the hosts and 1 or 2 others to help along should be sufficient.

I think this is exactly what happened when GZ and I did WC10, we did everything under our discretion, both of us determined by our own judgement what is an RP and what is not, we did the tables ourselves (most of the time), etc...

I'm not asking that the whole thing should be abandoned, that's really too much to ask for. Maybe just the hosts and a few helpers to settle the WC. That might be a bit lax and not very orderly since things would get delayed, but at least we won't have to argue over this commitee/council/government thing. It is getting too ridiculous, and about more than 10 people arguing about their ideals is getting too out of hand. Everybody has their own ideas so nothing gets along.

To all those that are in Australia, I'm sure you had watched 'Reno Rumble' a few months back or at least heard of it. The show featured a group of people from a Renovation Reality TV show and a group of full-time professionals and they had to renovate a house in a few days. The result was that the full-time professionals lost although they were much more experienced. Why? Because the professionals, being extremely experienced and very tight on their ideas, ended up fighting and arguing about what to do and they wasted a hell lot of time. It is the same right here. We have 10-odd people, each with wonderful ideas on how to reform the commitee and everybody refuses to budge. In the end, we get nowhere, and TnUI also almost abandons the idea altogether (unless of course that's part of the RP, anyway...)

I know I can't really change your minds about anything, partly because most of the 'commitee' members have voted and this thing is going on a tad well. But IMHO, I think the present structure is fine. Ain't broke? Don't fix it. Therefore, I settle with no change.

IC:

I vote for no changes in the structure of the present World Cup.

Ufhur the Hated: With World Cup 11 fast approaching, I am afraid I must excuse myself from the conference. As Minister for Sport, I am heavily involved in preparation and organisation of the Cup, and must now return to the Enlightened Empire of Warnocks Wizards. In my stead, my deputy Bordreg the Detested [nods at wizard sitting next to him] will serve as our nation's representative to the WCC. I thank you...

and with that Ufhur stood up, stumbling for the door thanks in large part to sitting at the table for such a long period of time...

* TnUI proposal: 1
* Ravenspire proposal: 1
* WW proposal: 6
* no change: 3

"My colleague from One Red Dot makes a most interesting point," Slides said thoughtfully. "There are definite arguments in favour of no change. Ariddia will maintain its vote in favour of the Ravenspire proposal, for now, but will... give this further thought."

OOC-*Pokes thread with a stick to make sure it's not dead*

The uber-corrupt Steve Ribeiro bursts through the door and takes the floor amidst the other delegates, all of which resting their heads in their arms and drowning in their own puddles of drool.

Some of the sweeping reforms promised by the WCC in our earlier meetings have not seen the light of day. In fact, the WCC appears to have collectively shifted into neutral and to have not really done anything to date except to force Brazillico to play home games in front of empty crowds and to destroy Brazillican zeppelins.

I have on this brief business venture from my private island to raise an issue which I believe needs immediate attention.

I believe our system of voting should be refined. Originally, all members would come to a concensus about a host, and this was changed to a majority. However, with more quality potential hosts putting in bids, this majority has metamorphasized into a plurality. This is why, we would like to see a multiple ballotted system, similar to the one implemented by the IOC. In this system, we would hold continuous votes until one hosting bid recieves 50%+1 of the votes cast, and with each ballot, the lowest vote-getter gets dropped. Although this would make the voting process more complicated, since streamlining the WCC is appearing increasingly bleak, we feel this has to be implemented.

*Steve looks around to see if any of his fellow members seem to want to approve of this system, but alas, they're still all asleep.*

*slipping into view, as always a surprise to everyone present, jack cass, the snub nose 38 minister of super secret sleuthery, begins to speak.*

Ah...if I may, I'd like to make a few points.

First - while it has been established by precedent that the WCC, or whatever the governing body of the NationStates Football World Cup becomes/became/names itself, votes on proposals and makes decisions, it has also been established by precedent that the proposals be public, presented to all WCC (or whatever...itself) participants. This allows all participants to speak their piece, and let the voting members know what the non-voting members think. The decisions are still taken by the voting members.

Second - it is important that ALL members be aware not only of decisions taken and rules made, but of proposals, so they may consider the things that are up for discussion/vote/decision before jumping off a figurative cliff. Example - If certain rules are under consideration for how a World Cup is to be run, potential hosts need to know that in order to decide whether or not to bid for the privilege of hosting a World Cup.

Third - It is extremely UNCLEAR from all this exactly what was/wasn't decided, was/wasn't adopted, are/aren't the rules, etc. One (at least, this one) can see the general drift of things, and what the likely outcome may be - but that requires assumption on the part of the casual (or not so flippin' casual) observer. Assumptions often lead us down the wrong path. So -

Fourth - would the WCC (or whatever...itself) please post, preferably in a thread that ALL participants are aware of (say - the RP thread for the current Cup?), ALL and ANY changes/rules/etc that were/are adopted out of this discussion?

Fifth, and (at least for now) final - we, the Frost-Free Borderlands of Snub Nose 38, think that a thread such as this for IC "machinations" of the WCC (or whatever...itself) should exist. It's a good idea. As long as all the rest of us peons know what' s goin' on.

*as quickly as he appeared, and just as a few of those present were about to respond/remark/comment/yell at him, jack cass was...not there.*

Daniel Bryant is poked with a stick

Daniel: WHAT? Who dat? Who dere?

Steve: Wake up.... hey who are you?

Daniel: I'm Daniel, i'm the WCC rep for Audioslavia

Steve: Ah... sorry to hear about most of your WC11 team catching the rare 'Totally 'n Utterly Pwnd' disease and being quarantined in TnUI for a year, that must have sucked

Daniel: Yeah, that sucked, its amazing so many people can die of an unknown disease.... and a disease that only kills Audioslavians as well

Steve: yeah... so what happened in the end? What happened to your team?

Daniel: well... i dont know, TnUI's goverment said that most of the team contracted 'Totally 'n Utterly Pwnd' disease, but the Audioslavia story still hasnt been written yet

Steve: Still? Its been four years

Daniel: Yeah still, its a matter of time, i think the president is still busy at uni

Steve: Fair enough.... so.... any ideas?

Daniel: for what?

Steve: for reforms to the WCC

Daniel: oh.. umm... yeah, take this

Daniel gives Steve a scrumpled up piece of paper, with some doodlings on it in orange crayon

Steve: What? a doodle of Carl bending over a chair? this is your reform?

Daniel: huh... oh shit no wait, thats the wrong piece of...

Steve: .......is that ME?

Daniel: no no its.... someone else.... here... heres my ummm... 'proposed reform'

Daniel hands Steve another piece of paper. Steve sits down and reads it

[code:1:1ab7b13889]WORLD CUP CHRONOLOGY

Since the dawn of time... whenever that was... the various instalments of the NS Football World Cup have been named 'World Cup 1, World Cup 2, World Cup 3, World Cup 4, World Cu...... and etcetera'. However, the exact dates of the world cup matches is different in each country. Some countries believe that qualifying matches are played day after day, whilst others believe they are spread out over around a year.

Also, no-one really knows when mini-tournaments like the CoH, BoF tournament and championships like the 4-nations etc take place in relation to the World Cup.

Audioslavia suggests the following 'timetable': (remember this is all IC)

- Qualification for the next world cup begins 2 and a half years after the final game of the previous world cup.

- The qualifying tournament is spread out over one calendar year, so the final qualifying game is 3 and a half years after the end of the last world cup.

- The world cup finals last a month, so there are five months between the final qualifying game and the opening match of the World Cup first-round.

- The 'Cup of Harmony' takes place over the period of 2-3 weeks prior to the World Cup itself.

- The 'Baptism of Fire' tournament takes place a year after the world cup.

- Any other tournaments take place between the world cup finals and the next world cup qualifiers.

The above timetable isnt precise, because it doesnt need to be, but i propose that each world cup is given a 'year'. For the sake of argument, lets say the first NSWC took place in the year 2000, which would give us the following time-line:

2000 - World Cup 1
2004 - World Cup 2
2007 - World Cup 3 Qualification
2008 - World Cup 3
2011 - World Cup 4 Qualification
2012 - World Cup 4
2015 - World Cup 5 Qualification
2016 - World Cup 5
2019 - World Cup 6 Qualification
2020 - World Cup 6
2020 - Brazillico buggers off... for now
2023 - World Cup 7 Qualification
2024 - World Cup 7
2024 - Gil Lemson 'dissapears'
2027 - World Cup 8 Qualification
2028 - TB Also-Ran tournament
2028 - World Cup 8
2031 - World Cup 9 Qualification
2032 - Cup Of Harmony 1
2032 - World Cup 9
2033 - Errinundera buggers off
2035 - World Cup 10 Qualification
2035 - Cup Of Harmony 2
2036 - World Cup 10
2037 - Quohog buggers off
2039 - World Cup 11 Qualification
2040 - Cup of Harmony 3
2040 - World Cup 11
2041 - Baptism of Fire tournament
2042 - TBF '4 nations' tournament
2043 - World Cup 12 Qualification

Why i think this is a good idea:

- it'll help when you try and work out how long ago it was since you last beat Kingsford

Why i think its a bad idea

- who cares?
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"Eleven years," said Javier McGuire, the Bedistani representative.

The other delegates looked at him.

"Oh, sorry, um...that's how long ago we last beat Kingsford. Of course, we've only faced them once..."

He cleared his throat.

"Looks good to me. It's actually about ten years off from our timeline; Bedistan's in 2033 right now. But it'll work anyway. Heck, maybe I'll run for president* again and convince the Legislature to move our calendar ten years forward..."

* President of Bedistan, not president of the WCC. McGuire ran in the 2020 election and lost.

Heh, forgot about this.