NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: I am curious as to how many elven nations are out there? Though we seemed divided by our foes, and the new elven alliance is small, its because of a lack of knowledge of the number and names of nations whose populace are elves. If you are an elven nation, please post your name here.

((BUMP))

Around 0,3% of Sebytania's population are elves.

We are Dark Eldar or space elves.

P.S:
The 40k kind.

We are Dark Eldar or space elves.

The 40k kind?

Dear Elven Nations,
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OOC: Iuthia has about 51 Million Elves within it's borders... or about 3% of my nation... it's just we have a very big populace.

Come to think of it, we have more Elves then you do and we're a human nation... cool, Iuthia has a big elven community. And now I'll do a dance.

[Tag] of the Rezo intelligence agency. Just to have a handy list of our pointy eared enemies :P

We are elves, but we have no interest in darthiir alliances beyond the fact they give us a list of names who betrayed us millenia ago.

Yochol Burtana’thrae
Acting Valsharess

We are Dark Elves.

OOC: There is a good 10% elf population in the Confederacy.

I know that one rule seems to be that nations with a high number of elves and their culture would be permitted to join AURE, but that is for another time. All I want to know are the elven nations, including the fallen ones, the dark elves.

OOC: Oh and Commorargh, "Pray they dont take you alive!". Hehe.

Though the dark elves betrayed us (depends on whose side and I am prejudice :wink: ) long ago during the fall, we are cousins still (shudder), and one day, the elves of the lost and the elves of the past will reunite and show the mortal realms that we are not a doomed race, that we shall be reascendant once more.

BUMP

Of course we're elves....

As far as I know, the elven nations we've met are:

Menelmacar (The unquestioned leader)
Aman and Tol Eressea (¿?)
Thelas (Menelmacari protectorate)
Tor Yvresse (Eldar nation from 40K)
Silmesse (Traditional elven nation based on the Silmarillion)
The Vanyar (see above)
Ezellohar (...)
Raem (If being Dark Eldar counts, of course)
Manmen (see above)
Commorargh (see above)
Bajon (Drow nation)

78% elven here.(45% wood-elf, 5% High Elf, 28% half-elf.

Partial elven nation.

So here is the list of elves now.

Aelosia
Menelmacar (The unquestioned leader)<<<<Righto...
Thelas (Menelmacari protectorate)
Aman and Tol Eressea (¿?)
Tor Yvresse (Eldar nation from 40K)
Silmesse (Traditional elven nation based on the Silmarillion)
The Vanyar (see above)
Ezellohar (...)
The River Anduin
Seck Sapeel
Ice Nations
Demoness??
Tsaraine??
Lothlorien Communists

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dark elves (Or Dark Eldar)

Commorargh
Manmen
Raem
Zabadasia
Bajon (Drow)
Drizzt's army (Drow)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Minority Elves in other Nations

Auman
Beverage Concerns
Crimmond
DNS
Isla de Penguinata
Iuthia
Klington
Sebytania
Tannelorn
The Ctan
Tarakalar

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
List of regions to elves....

Arda
Commorargh
Eldamar
Tareldanore

Menelmacar is like THE elven nation. :P

We are an elven nation, also. Well, sort of. 87% of the population are half-elves, but their children will be fully elven. :wink: I need to read the Silmarillion to figure out whether they are Sindarin, Noldor, etc. :)

Menelmacar is the most powerful elven nation in NationStates, as far as I can see, thought this partial flattery might lead to debate. As far as elves in my country, there are a few brave ones, though the near-arctic climate and generally extremely cold temperates hamper others.

We are an elven nation, also. Well, sort of. 87% of the population are half-elves, but their children will be fully elven. :wink: I need to read the Silmarillion to figure out whether they are Sindarin, Noldor, etc. :)

OOC: How on earth can you be a full elf when your parents are half elf????? The silmarillion....its tolkien right? I forgot my literature (groans)

Felix: Are we elves?
Aide: No, sir.
Felix: Ok.

--Felix

Ruling Family(as it were, there is only one member left): Half Elf/Human

National Percentages:

52% Human
37% Elven(includes halflings)
8% Genes(geneticly engineered sentients)
4.9% Gamma/Beta/Delta humans(cyborgs)
0.1% Classified(Need to know basis and you don't need to know)

Around 4% of my nation our Elves.
2% High Elves
1% Dark elves
1% Dark/High Elves and Halflings

Hmmm, there seems to be more minority elves than there are full ones it seems.

Um, half plus half equals one whole? :?

And yes, The Silmarillion is a work of Tolkien. :D

We've got Elves, but barely any anymore. The hybrid Xanthalian species has become by far the most dominant, making up 90% of the total population of Xanthal.

From the Vascilian League there are two nations that have Elves and Eldar in them.

Auman and Tannelorn managed to save around 2000 Elves from Bajon during the Ethnic cleansing. A fair portion of those, around 500 went to Auman. The rest stayed in Tannelorn.

Tannelorn and Beverage Concerns saved a craftworld from an unknown enemy that was attacking it. 450,000 Eldar had to relocate from the Craftworld to Tannelorn. Some came to Auman, 50,000 came to Auman while the others stayed in Tannelorn.

The status of the Eldar cannot be confirmed, but it is known that they remain segregated. Though it is known that the Eldar are not being harmed or discriminated against in any way, shape or form.

Genetics my friend,

Rr (Half Elf) Rr (Half Elf) => RR (Full Elf) Rr (Half Elf) rR (Half Elf) rr (Human)

Out of four births there can be one full elf, depending on the the dominant (R) and recessive (r) genes of the parents.

Damn..that sucks. I completely forgot about genetics. :x

Well, eventually Isla de Penguinata will be full of elves, because I said so. :P

Out of four births there can be one full elf, depending on the the dominant (R) and recessive (r) genes of the parents.Being a player of D&D I would of thought humans would have been the dominant gene, seeing as humans are more likely to be knocked up when they engage sexual intercourse (otherwise we would be overrun with elves...)

Um, half plus half equals one whole? :? What about the human halfs?

Well, I just used it as an example, not to openly declare that elves have the dominant gene.

We are a drow nation,but we are not like the Drow from the Underdark,we are like drizzt do'urdern

We are a drow nation,but we are not like the Drow from the Underdark,we are like drizzt do'urdern

I thought most the people Drizzt save still hate him... it was kinda like a running joke...

well these are people like drizzt who hate the underdarks beliefs,religon,etc...

Well, eventually Isla de Penguinata will be full of elves, because I said so. :P

Hmm...

Does that mean that you'll kill all the halflings and humans? Don't be starting an elven-human war now, my friend.

37% Elven(includes halflings)

"Are you suggesting Halflings are elves?"

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral

From the Vascilian League there are two nations that have Elves and Eldar in them.

Auman and Tannelorn managed to save around 2000 Elves from Bajon during the Ethnic cleansing. A fair portion of those, around 500 went to Auman. The rest stayed in Tannelorn.

Tannelorn and Beverage Concerns saved a craftworld from an unknown enemy that was attacking it. 450,000 Eldar had to relocate from the Craftworld to Tannelorn. Some came to Auman, 50,000 came to Auman while the others stayed in Tannelorn.

The status of the Eldar cannot be confirmed, but it is known that they remain segregated. Though it is known that the Eldar are not being harmed or discriminated against in any way, shape or form.

"I'm wondering why a country friendly to the Eldar and elves attacked us without provocation, unless your goverment usually changes your mind suddenly. By the way, we would like to give a look to the Craftworld you found for research and historical purposes. This is very, very important".

Imperial Chancellor Aliria D'Hyru

i think he said the halfing part because I think he thought they were elves because if you look close at halfings,their ears look like elven ears

37% Elven(includes halflings)

"Are you suggesting Halflings are elves?"

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral

From the Vascilian League there are two nations that have Elves and Eldar in them.

Auman and Tannelorn managed to save around 2000 Elves from Bajon during the Ethnic cleansing. A fair portion of those, around 500 went to Auman. The rest stayed in Tannelorn.

Tannelorn and Beverage Concerns saved a craftworld from an unknown enemy that was attacking it. 450,000 Eldar had to relocate from the Craftworld to Tannelorn. Some came to Auman, 50,000 came to Auman while the others stayed in Tannelorn.

The status of the Eldar cannot be confirmed, but it is known that they remain segregated. Though it is known that the Eldar are not being harmed or discriminated against in any way, shape or form.

"I'm wondering why a country friendly to the Eldar and elves attacked us without provocation, unless your goverment usually changes your mind suddenly. By the way, we would like to give a look to the Craftworld you found for research and historical purposes. This is very, very important".

Imperial Chancellor Aliria D'Hyru

The Craftworld unfortunately fell into the gravity well of a gas giant, we have no idea as to its condition. The provocation on the other hand was evident. Your nation was being used as a base of operations for the forces of Tor Yvresse, we do not change our minds on issues of defence. As you may have remembered, TY attacked the League, not the other way around. We've always thought of the Elves as our friends, though you did manage to change our minds during that war. We hope we can put the past behind us and have relations between our two nations grow fonder.

>99% true Demonessian, classified by biologists as a race of elves
<1% Demonessian elf

Mostly humans, of Germanic decent, and the CMDCs (Cybernetically Modified Drone Conscripts) and some Wohltari, which were a genetic project in Wohlstand to make a flawless soldier, which then spread after escaping their facility.

"If Tor Yvresse attacked you, you should have directed your retaliation against Tor Yvresse forces and not entered Aelosian neutral territory. However, we as your neighbour in Mars want to remain neutral in that conflict, although we need your three million soldiers out of our territory first. We are interested in building a stable friendly relationship with you, but we won't tolerate another military action against us. Anyway, I think that with Melkor in Mars we have enough common enemies".

Princess Aliria D'Hyru, Imperial Chancellor.

The Holy Empire of Ice Nations is an entire Elven nation, all 8 million strong.

"Can we keep the geo-political debate off of this channel"
~Thelasian Comm Officer

"Thelas is of course an elven nation, Sindar by nature. Yes, we are a protectorate of Menelmacar, but even as such, relations are somewhat strained."
~Commander Netari

OOC: To my knollege, Thelas is one of the most powerfull (or atleast largest) elven nations, not counting Menel of course.

OOC: Ignore this nonsense from Auman and Tannelorn about having 40K eldar in their nations. I quote to you now from the Eldar designers notes:

"I've just made sure certain parts of the Eldar character are emphasised more than they used to be. For instance there was always the underlying impression that the eldar were somehow 'good guys' Wrong! The eldar are possibly one of the most selfish and self-serving races in the galaxy. It is true that they have indeed fought many battles alongside the Emperor's forces, but this is definitely for their own ends, not out of some altruistic attitude to humanity. This is best summed up by an old quote from WD110:

"Make mo mistakes human. We do not fight for your Emperor. We fight against Horus."

The second facet of the Eldar I wanted to explore was their total and utter arrogance and self-righteous attitude to the rest of the galaxy. They once ruled a vast and mighty empire, which they foolishly lost. However, except for a few of the wisest Farseers, the Eldar do not blame themselves, but turn their anger upon the 'usurper' races who sprang up in the vacuum - Orks, Humans, Kroots and so on. To Eldar, the only creature worth considering with any degree of respect is another Eldar, all other races are brutish animals (the Dark Eldar see 'prey species' are quite literally cattle.)

Attached to both of these principles is the way that the Eldar, particularly the Farseers, callously manipulate other people. They will gladly start a war that will see ten billion humans die, if it means that in five thousand years an eldar life is saved. Because the eldar mind is so utterly different to the human psyche, the Eldar seem to be a completely capricious race. The Eldar often make decisions that only have a consequence in the distant future, making them appear to be motiveless and random. In addition the Eldar are a pretty bloodthirsty race, particularly the Avatar and Aspect Warriros. When their blood is up they are downright vicious and nasty! This all adds to the 'alien-ness' of the Eldar, further reinforcing the fact that they are more than simply humans with pointy ears."

- Gavin Thorpe, Eldar Designer's notes.

The only way Eldar would permit themselves to become citizens of a non eldar nation is if they took it over. It's blatant BS to claim otherwise. And frankly, if they are segragated then they need not claim to have eldar in their nation, and instead claim to have Eldar neighbours, becuase if they're not obeying your laws, paying you taxes, taking any interest in your culture and running their own affairs, they're basically not there as far as legal status goes.

OOC: We actually have a few Tolkienesque elves in Santa Barbara. By few, I mean less than 1000. Where they came from, I'm not entirely sure, but any of the elven nations with less economic strength is a good bet since they were probably here for the employment opportunities (either that or our charming weather and the pleasant xenophobic catholic atmosphere)

At Santa's Workshop, the Elve's were grumbling about being relocated to a Malaysian Sweatshop, chained to their workbenches, and being constantly whipped by the Gun wearing- Dog holding "Supervisors."

Tumbledorf whispered under his breath to Merryleaf who was chained beside him. "Death is preferable to life in this stinking toyshop."

Indeed Ctan has hit the nail on the head as to the nature of Eldar.

We are OOCly speaking Vicious and nasty, I'm perhaps the NICEST kionash Eldar ever. And half my niceness comes from a desire for good PR. If I can get away with it that PR goes out the window....

We've got Elves, but barely any anymore. The hybrid Xanthalian species has become by far the most dominant, making up 90% of the total population of Xanthal.

Would your nation still counts as elfish though? Like in blood?

Genetics my friend,

Rr (Half Elf) Rr (Half Elf) => RR (Full Elf) Rr (Half Elf) rR (Half Elf) rr (Human)

Out of four births there can be one full elf, depending on the the dominant (R) and recessive (r) genes of the parents.

Zvarinograd.....youre a smart aleck!!!1 :wink: Thanks for the lesson...

"If Tor Yvresse attacked you, you should have directed your retaliation against Tor Yvresse forces and not entered Aelosian neutral territory. However, we as your neighbour in Mars want to remain neutral in that conflict, although we need your three million soldiers out of our territory first. We are interested in building a stable friendly relationship with you, but we won't tolerate another military action against us. Anyway, I think that with Melkor in Mars we have enough common enemies".

Princess Aliria D'Hyru, Imperial Chancellor.

I believe you lost your neutrality when you allowed Tor Yvresse to launch attacks from your territory, and as you may know, Tannelornian troops did also launch an assault on TY holdings.

The Three million troops that are inside your territory are as good as gone considering the war is over, I believe that if you do not want your nation to be attacked in the future by other nations you should use common sense in your dealings. Allowing an army that is bent on the subjugation of an entire people is exactly going to make the victims exactly friendly towards you.

We hope for our future relations to be as placid as our discussion here today.

In the interests of clarifying a few things, without the permission to use the Aelosian territories our plans during the war would not ahve changed one iota from the course they followed. We would simply have redeployed to a different place. The Aelosians did the only thing they could do by allowing us access to their lands. They where acting as friends and allies.

They where not hostile towards you, but simply allowing us access to their lands.

OOC: Ignore this nonsense from Auman and Tannelorn about having 40K eldar in their nations. I quote to you now from the Eldar designers notes:

"I've just made sure certain parts of the Eldar character are emphasised more than they used to be. For instance there was always the underlying impression that the eldar were somehow 'good guys' Wrong! The eldar are possibly one of the most selfish and self-serving races in the galaxy. It is true that they have indeed fought many battles alongside the Emperor's forces, but this is definitely for their own ends, not out of some altruistic attitude to humanity. This is best summed up by an old quote from WD110:

"Make mo mistakes human. We do not fight for your Emperor. We fight against Horus."

The second facet of the Eldar I wanted to explore was their total and utter arrogance and self-righteous attitude to the rest of the galaxy. They once ruled a vast and mighty empire, which they foolishly lost. However, except for a few of the wisest Farseers, the Eldar do not blame themselves, but turn their anger upon the 'usurper' races who sprang up in the vacuum - Orks, Humans, Kroots and so on. To Eldar, the only creature worth considering with any degree of respect is another Eldar, all other races are brutish animals (the Dark Eldar see 'prey species' are quite literally cattle.)

Attached to both of these principles is the way that the Eldar, particularly the Farseers, callously manipulate other people. They will gladly start a war that will see ten billion humans die, if it means that in five thousand years an eldar life is saved. Because the eldar mind is so utterly different to the human psyche, the Eldar seem to be a completely capricious race. The Eldar often make decisions that only have a consequence in the distant future, making them appear to be motiveless and random. In addition the Eldar are a pretty bloodthirsty race, particularly the Avatar and Aspect Warriros. When their blood is up they are downright vicious and nasty! This all adds to the 'alien-ness' of the Eldar, further reinforcing the fact that they are more than simply humans with pointy ears."

- Gavin Thorpe, Eldar Designer's notes.

The only way Eldar would permit themselves to become citizens of a non eldar nation is if they took it over. It's blatant BS to claim otherwise. And frankly, if they are segragated then they need not claim to have eldar in their nation, and instead claim to have Eldar neighbours, becuase if they're not obeying your laws, paying you taxes, taking any interest in your culture and running their own affairs, they're basically not there as far as legal status goes.

OOC:

Whoa man...you need to calm it down haha. You can't help but throw articles from White Dwarf in my face can you? You do know that this is a narrative online RPG and that you have no idea what is going on inside my nation besides the fact that we are a communist dictatorship. Please dont try to understand my nation or its inner workings. You dont understand why they Eldar are in our nations or why they are segregated...Sure, they do not mix with the population of my nation but they are still around to give their technical expertise.

Iyanden craftworld went into negotiations with the Imperium of man, they wished to form an alliance with the Imperium because it was their best chance for survival...seeing as the Eldar can see the future. Now, Tannelornian and BC troops come into contact with a craftworld that is under serious attack by the Dark Eldar, they are being annihilated. The Vascilian Soldiers help them...fight off the attack, though the craftworld is lost in the process. Eldar Seers predict that their people will cease to exist if they do not come to some sort of political agreement with the Vascilians...and move to Vascilia. Now if Im putting resources into feeding, clothing and generally keeping these Eldar alive they are apart of my society.

Now an Eldar would gladly start a war that would see 10 billion humans die sure, but say circumstances were different and the existance of these 10 billion humans in the Vascilian League would allow the lives of many more Eldar to be saved? the continued existance of the Vascilian League means that you have these humans left to fight Melkor in the future...meaning that there is no need for so many Eldar to be killed fighting this ancient evil in the future. The C'tan are the arch-nemesis of all things in the Galaxy, if you're going to point out inaccuracies in our fluff than why dont you take a look at your arrangement with Tor Yvresse? frankly, being as I read the Necron Codex, this is impossible.

Please, shut up.

In the interests of clarifying a few things, without the permission to use the Aelosian territories our plans during the war would not ahve changed one iota from the course they followed. We would simply have redeployed to a different place. The Aelosians did the only thing they could do by allowing us access to their lands. They where acting as friends and allies.

They where not hostile towards you, but simply allowing us access to their lands.

...They were acting in hostility by declaring their support for your pointless invasion of Vascilia. They lost neutrality when they became a base for a large scale invasion. I think its been very clear from the beginning.

Just because a nation does not send troops, doesn't mean it isn't being hostile. The seizure of that territory would have prevented its further use as a staging area and would have secured the Vascilian border from Eldar attack. It was a very pragmatic approach, to securing the nation. Though now that the war is over I'd rather put things behind us and Aelosia...though I'd prefer to not have anything to do with Tor Yvresse politically considering this is the second failed invasion attempt of his nation.

OOC: Oh C'mon....

IC:

"Hostile?, Are you kidding?. We hadn't any hostile intentions towards your nation. At least you reconsidered your actions before any irreversible damage was made. But I think Auman-Aelosian relationships will be affected forever by your actions. We came to Mars in peace, and everybody knowit. So, maybe we should attack Tannelorn and Eniqcir just because they supported you in that war, using your logic, of course. Even Tor Yvresse Council told you that we weren't involved. Don't provoke us in the future".

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral.

ZION! HEAR ME!

It is true what many of you have heard. The region of Final Fantasians has been created and as i speak, that region is growing, and they need your help!

Join F I N A L F A N T A S I A N S today!

ZION! HEAR ME!

It is true what many of you have heard. The region of Final Fantasians has been created and as i speak, that region is growing, and they need your help!

Join F I N A L F A N T A S I A N S today!

Are YOU an elf?? If not...DONT POST GIBBERISH!!! Thank you for reading my post...goodbye.

OOC: Oh C'mon....

IC:

"Hostile?, Are you kidding?. We hadn't any hostile intentions towards your nation. At least you reconsidered your actions before any irreversible damage was made. But I think Auman-Aelosian relationships will be affected forever by your actions. We came to Mars in peace, and everybody knowit. So, maybe we should attack Tannelorn and Eniqcir just because they supported you in that war, using your logic, of course. Even Tor Yvresse Council told you that we weren't involved. Don't provoke us in the future".

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral.
IC:
Aelosia shares a border with Vascilia, Tannelorn is in Vascilia. In essence your position of support towards Tor Yvresse threatened that nation...Eniqcir was also acting in the 'defence' of the Vascilian League. Now say if Eniqcir wanted to launch an attack from my nation into yours...would you accept it as a fact of life? would you just let my air bases, space ports and web way portals be used as junctions for an assault on your homeland? I know what the answer is, there is only one answer! if you were in Aumans shoes you would have done the same thing, for the continued existance of your people you would destroy my airstrips, space ports and web way portals because you know that it would safe guard your nation.

OOC:

Oh c'mon! you're on my border, if my home country, Canada, were to allow Russia to use its airstrips to bomb the US you think they wouldn't do anything about it?

Just recently the Israelis bombed suspected Hamas training camps in Syria, these are just some examples that justify my reaction.

The C'tan are the arch-nemesis of all things in the Galaxy, if you're going to point out inaccuracies in our fluff than why dont you take a look at your arrangement with Tor Yvresse? frankly, being as I read the Necron Codex, this is impossible.

Please, shut up.

OOC: I take it you're unaware of the state of practically open war I have with Tor Yvresse? And yes, it's quite possible, thank you very much, The Deceiver is not known as such because people picked the name out of a hat. He is quite happy to do any number of pacts and deals with anyone only to turn around and backstab them, and otherwise persecute them with a ruthlessness that would make Stalin vomit in disgust. Were this nation run by say, the Nightbringer, things would be very different. I am in no way an ally of Tor Yvresse, I kidnap their leaders and torture them for days on end, see this thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101843&highlight=) , try to frame them for plotting an attack on Menelmacar, see this thread, (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100433&highlight=) we both spend a good deal of time jockeying for position in order to backstab each other, (I might add that when I locate Tor Yvresse bad things will happen to them...) see this thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108964&highlight=). Any agreements with TY are entirely temporary, and I assure you, both sides are always sharpening the knives.

OOC: The war is gone, but the recriminations linger on...

Tsaraine has a grand total of three elves. All of whom are related either by marriage or birth. And no, none of them are WH40K Eldar.

OOC: The war is gone, but the recriminations linger on...

Tsaraine has a grand total of three elves. All of whom are related either by marriage or birth. And no, none of them are WH40K Eldar.

But are they the ruling family? Cause if they are...well technically its an elven nation *cough* *cough*

Has there been a region for mostly elves? At all?

I dont think so...But I know that Commorargh has his own region that has men and elves in it.

Kewl, but who are they within it?

well, there are several elven only regions, Eldamar is one, although that really is an alliance.

Then there is Tareldanore, founded by Menelmacar, the good thing is, you never have to worry about greifers (sorry for the bad joke...)

well, there are several elven only regions, Eldamar is one, although that really is an alliance.

Then there is Tareldanore, founded by Menelmacar, the good thing is, you never have to worry about greifers (sorry for the bad joke...)

Really? I thought AURE was the only elven alliance? so how many are they to be exact? and dont worry, i dont get the joke.

I think ARDA is one of them...

Arda is not an Elf alliance, except if your Evil, so for you Commoragh it is a place worth checking. Arda is the Anti-Elf Lord of evils stomping ground.

Actually I'd check Kallassin out, as he's very close to being DE, for a Mon-Keigh that is. AURE is relly setting down what already existed, and Eldamar is yes best described as an alliance rather than a region.

Ahh thanks. But an alliance of what though?

Arda...they are filth, the scum of the universe. Stay away from them, the forces of good are far to disorganized to actually put up a decent fight. Weighed down by rivalry, politics and bullshit. Arda is some one you want to be best friends with, because the alternative is death, dont expect the forces of order to protect, not for one second.

List of regions to elves....

Eldamar
Arda

Auman... what on earth are you talking about? Are you supporting Arda or bagging the hell out of it cause i dont get your meaning.

OOC: Oh Auman, that's just whining, the good people in NS is far more capable of deal with the evil ones. That's called balance. And don't approach ARDA, they're the worst enemies of the elves.

OOC:

The people of Kalessin are not elven in any way!

They do however possess pointy ears, fine bone structure, and rather long life-spans. Make of that what you will....

OOC:

The people of Kalessin are not elven in any way!

They do however possess pointy ears, fine bone structure, and rather long life-spans. Make of that what you will....

Kal, I was not calling you Elven... Note I called you a Mon-Keigh.

Yes other elves are out there! My Nation is the Allied States of Lothlorien Communists.

Yahoo We elves are happy to find our ancient comrades in time of need.

OOC: Oh Auman, that's just whining, the good people in NS is far more capable of deal with the evil ones. That's called balance. And don't approach ARDA, they're the worst enemies of the elves.

Its not whining...just a simple statement. Ive seen people stand up to Arda in the past and be layed low for their efforts. Never once have I seen Menelmacar or its minions stand up for whats right. Just recently it was the DLN who has fallen, attempting to assassinate Melkor, before that it was the League, bogged down by a pointless war with your Elven alliance when we should have been fighting Melkor.

Im neither "bagging" on Arda or siding with them...Im simply stating that neither side is good or evil, but that both sides are stupid and selfish. Never will the Nationstates world ever be free from the oppression of Arda and Menelmacar until the neutral nations step forward and tell the two sides to piss off! From this point on Auman will forever remain non-aligned.

OOC: Alright, can someone give me a brief summary of elven diplomacy and actions? Preferably in order. Thanks

OOC: Sword of ((BUMP))

Never once have I seen Menelmacar or its minions stand up for whats right. 4

OOC:

Gosh, I should have Minitrue hire you! :lol:

Kal, I was not calling you Elven... Note I called you a Mon-Keigh.

OOC (Though I think this entire thread is OOC, anyway...): And, admit it, you secretly consider elves an elevated type of Mon-keigh don't you? Don't you! :x :wink:

Kal, I was not calling you Elven... Note I called you a Mon-Keigh.

OOC (Though I think this entire thread is OOC, anyway...): And, admit it, you secretly consider elves an elevated type of Mon-keigh don't you? Don't you! :x :wink:

OOC: Since when are elves an elevated form of mon-keigh!! Thats insulting. Human are mon-keigh, elves were created by the Gods. :wink:

Elves are a human subspecies. They have to be or they wouldn't be able to produce fertile offspring with humans.

OOC: Since when are elves an elevated form of mon-keigh!! Thats insulting. Human are mon-keigh, elves were created by the Gods. :wink:Mon-kiegh literally translates into "Not-eldar" (It's an OOC monkey joke though.) If you're not 40k eldar, you are mon-keigh, (hell, even I am considered a mon-kiegh of a sort, though they've got a more specific term for me.)

Yea....like necron? :wink: But eldar are elves, but more techy and a different name. Hell another name for eldar IS elves.

Where are the 40k dwarfs....there were some at one time...but where did they go? Ratlings simply do not cut it... :)

LOLzzzzzzz, They were called squats, but with a disgusting name like that, no wonder they are extinct! :wink:

Yea....like necron? :wink: But eldar are elves, but more techy and a different name. Hell another name for eldar IS elves.
The word 'Eldar' was punked off from Tolkien by GW. 40K Eldar, though, are not Elves, and there's actually almost nothing in common between the two really besides appearance and long life.

~Siri

I was refering to Tolkien. Umm being the same appearance and long life kinda makes them alot more in common ya know. :wink: Besides, if you followed Games workshop fluff, elves were created by the old ones on a warhammer world and also had them in space to fight the necrons. They mention gates (warp portals that collasped, jeez, sounds like an eldar webway), the creation of Krocks (orks. They have various mythology refering to the old ones...I think. I am not very familiar with orcs) and how the human was a failed experiment.

Then of course came the Tau. In both the games workshop fluff, humans see the elves and eldar as a arrogant and random event (eldar kill to save their lives, elves kill to regain lost magical artefacts). So you see, there aint much difference at all....

Actually, the C'tan are Yngir to the Eldar, the necron are 'The Devoured Ones' or alternately the 'Shining Warriors of the Yngir.' The Old Ones didn't create humans, if anyone in 40K created humans, it's the C'tan (Pariahs) not them. Some insight into the 40K eldar mindset:

"I've just made sure certain parts of the Eldar character are emphasised more than they used to be. For instance there was always the underlying impression that the eldar were somehow 'good guys' Wrong! The eldar are possibly one of the most selfish and self-serving races in the galaxy. It is true that they have indeed fought many battles alongside the Emperor's forces, but this is definitely for their own ends, not out of some altruistic attitude to humanity. This is best summed up by an old quote from WD110:

"Make mo mistakes human. We do not fight for your Emperor. We fight against Horus."

The second facet of the Eldar I wanted to explore was their total and utter arrogance and self-righteous attitude to the rest of the galaxy. They once ruled a vast and mighty empire, which they foolishly lost. However, except for a few of the wisest Farseers, the Eldar do not blame themselves, but turn their anger upon the 'usurper' races who sprang up in the vacuum - Orks, Humans, Kroots and so on. To Eldar, the only creature worth considering with any degree of respect is another Eldar, all other races are brutish animals (the Dark Eldar see 'prey species' are quite literally cattle.)

Attached to both of these principles is the way that the Eldar, particularly the Farseers, callously manipulate other people. They will gladly start a war that will see ten billion humans die, if it means that in five thousand years an eldar life is saved. Because the eldar mind is so utterly different to the human psyche, the Eldar seem to be a completely capricious race. The Eldar often make decisions that only have a consequence in the distant future, making them appear to be motiveless and random. In addition the Eldar are a pretty bloodthirsty race, particularly the Avatar and Aspect Warriros. When their blood is up they are downright vicious and nasty! This all adds to the 'alien-ness' of the Eldar, further reinforcing the fact that they are more than simply humans with pointy ears."

- Gavin Thorpe, Eldar Designer's notes.


The eldar are uncaring gits who think that humans deserve being exterminated, Tolkien's elves - aren't.

"Eldar" means "people of the stars", and the word was used by Tolkien in the books several times. I think GW just adopted the word to describe the stellar elves, although I think they try to separate the Eldar from the normal elves in many ways, although they have many thing sin common. I'm wondering if the Tor Yvresse Eldar consider the Sindarin elves from Aelosia Mon-Keighs...specially now that the Ctan are starting diplomatic relationships with the ShadowPrince...

And Elvarin, to give you a summary of the elven actions in this universe is almost impossible. I'm having problems to track down the Aelosian actions in a summary (I'm working in the factbook of Aelosia right now), and I'm sure Tor Yvresse has at least 1000 more diplomatic and war entries than me, and Menelmacar 5000 more...

And Auman, please, that's propaganda, you sounded like my RL president when you said all that crap about the unaligned nations...

This was an OOC statement courtesy of the Aelosia's player. ^_^

C'tan, I wasnt referring to tolkien's elves anymore when I was linking the racial characteristics of the 40k and warhammer elves. Though my own elves are friendlier towards other races its because i am not a purist. So, ya.

I'm wondering if the Tor Yvresse Eldar consider the Sindarin elves from Aelosia Mon-Keighs...

Well, from IRC discussions with Tor on what he thinks of elves, elves are considered superior to humans and the like, but nowhere near the Eldar on the scale of superiority the Eldar believe in (not that anyone is).


I wasnt referring to tolkien's elves anymore when I was linking the racial characteristics of the 40k and warhammer elves. Though my own elves are friendlier towards other races its because i am not a purist. So, ya.


I see, in that case yes, WFB elves are pretty much the same.

Lets have a genetic test shall we.....and dum dum daaaaa, ITS POSITIVE!!! We are related!!!

This was a good natured smart alecked responce from an elf :lol:

C'tan, necrons dont create life, they destroy it for they see something that they have lost even though they have gained immortality. They HATE all living things. It is inconceivable that the necron's gods would create humans, the reason why the pariahs looked like humans, was actually meant to be a mockery of them. And of course to cause fear.

C'tan, necrons dont create life, they destroy it for they see something that they have lost even though they have gained immortality. They HATE all living things. It is inconceivable that the necron's gods would create humans, the reason why the pariahs looked like humans, was actually meant to be a mockery of them. And of course to cause fear.

"Long ago the mon-keigh [Editor's note, in reference to humans] were nothing. They were comical tree-beasts with no greater role defined for them by the old ones. That was before the God War between the C'tan led necrons and the old ones, supported by their successor races, had almost consumed the galaxy. [...] Legends said that the Devoured Ones had sown a terrible crop [Editors Note, in reference to pariah humans, see Culexus assasins, Alzibeth Bequin and others in the Eisenhorn books] in ages past. Now it was growing to fruition and the harvesters were being readied."

- Codex Necrons, Page 9.

Pariahs are made from genetically engineered humans (whom the IoM also use as assasins and Anti-daemon troops), the genetic codes for them were implanted by necrons at some point in the past.

OOC: No fair!!! Its not my fault if I dont have a codex! :wink: Though i read the store's copy...So where does it say that the necrons implanted the genetic code for humans? NOW that i never heard.

OOC: No fair!!! Its not my fault if I dont have a codex! :wink: Though i read the store's copy...So where does it say that the necrons implanted the genetic code for humans? NOW that i never heard.

They didn't, they implanted the code for creatures who hurt psykers and deamons by their very presence and nullify all warp based powers around them into early humans.

Errr how is that possible when the humans themselves have psykers and the like?

On the matter of elven interactions, don't even try, Tor, and Menel have enough to fill libraries, and Thelas' actions are too embasing for me to write down (and too complex, I am still trying to figure out who I am fighting for, GDODAD or SATO, Menel or Reich (beleive it or not, but Thelas and Ieusus Christi were allied nations during Thelas' term in the GDODAD) triumverate or GDODAD)

Errr how is that possible when the humans themselves have psykers and the like?

Not all humans are Pariahs, a minisule fraction of them in fact.

As C'Tan says Elves are elevated, they actually have a vague cut of point when we might be willing to sacriface an Eldar life for a bunch of Elves. (it's a large number of elves but thats one up on Humans who have no cut of point. The entire human race could be destroyed and if one Eldar was saved we'd call it a win. With elves we set it a few Hundred Million...

Now of course this assumes that we see no gain in our elven Alliances, the gain from those alliances is worth a lot, so of course you'll likely never see this side of us in action. However thats a little background info on how we operate.

As for Elven relations a VERY quick summary would be, with a few exceptions we stick together. A Threat to one is a threat to all, if it is a racial threat. If for instance Melkor came to attack you, we'd stand by your side... If however Joe Blogs nation attacked you because you where a barstool, then it gets more complicated. On the whole one of us may send some sort of aid anyway, but we have our own limits. (for example I tend to try and avoidMenelmacar's problems with Communism only getting involved in the cases of Nuclear threats and the like. Thats not my fight you see.)

On the whole thats a very brief entrance level introduction, the situation gets more complicated, you have Anti-Elf nations, you have Arda, you have Drow, and you have Fallen. And so on and on... and thats still not even got beyond the first layer of the problem....

OOC:
Im pretty sure most of humanity has the same view on the Eldar...I know I do, Im mean, they're not even human!

The Enduring Empire of Tarakalar has an relatively significant portion of Elves that to the Empire's knowledge is unqiue to their lands.

The Eduyab’Kerrudar (Which translates into either; The People of the Sand, or The Guardians of the Sand.) reside within the eastern lands of the Enduring Empire. Making their homes with the Savanah and desert lands that are there.

They make their homes either a small few feet under the sandy lands or in encampments carved out of the large rock plateaus that can occasionally be found throughout these dry lands. THese homes are often refered to as the Palaces of the Sand, due to the fine craftmanship of then, and they are also often lavishly decorated with fine, if not sometimes rather carnal art.

They are not an immortal race, rather they have an average lifespan of 500 years and they are immune to most diseases; though over the past sixthousand years they have begun to develop a few benign diseases that only they are prone too. They tend to consider this rather interesting and a little exiting even for a race to whom the concept of 'catching the flu' has so long been foreign.

Appearance; They stand on average six feet tall to a little higher, their skin is dusky colored and their eyes are darkly colored. Their hair ranges from black to dark blond and the occasional red or coppery tones. Their ears are quite elongated and follows the curve of the skull, in some rare cases their long enough that the tips nearly touch each other near the top and back of the head. Their build is usually rather muscular in a wiry way.

They have adapted well to live in eastern lands of the empire, their eyesight like is typical of Elves is extreme, allowing them to easily peer across the sandy dunes of the desert and savanah. They possess a pair of secondary eyelids that are transparant and can cover their eyes to protect it against sand and dust. Further more they have small 'flaps' inside their noses that they use to close their nostrils and prevent anything from going into their nose.

Culturely they have come to think of themselves as proud members of the empire and guardians of the lesser inhabited lands. They prefer not to be called elves or having anyone claim they are somehow related to the immortal elven races, as in their eyes immortal beings have no place in nature, where all things grow old and die.
So far there has not been a known race with which they can interbreed, including other Elven races.

Edit: Their are roughly some 27 million Eduyab’Kerrudar living within the Enduring Empire.

OOC: Now that is a good background story. Well done. Though I am gonna put them down as minority elves neway :wink:. Gonna work on mine a bit more thoroughly as well.

OOC: Does anyone here use the famous 'Nightwing fighter aircraft' or its template? (40k) It is the supreme fighter for eldar (And i got my paws on it and modified its weapons appropiately and changed the name) and I decided to use its awesome defensive capabilities. Though I make sure that I have few of them in accordance to population size and military budget. I am still trying to work out their price.

Bump it up!!!!!!

OOC: You couldn't really call the United Empire an 'elven nation' as there are only 81 million elves living in our nation (about 6%), I just wanted to let you know that the United Empire is an elven-friendly nation.

We have a 10% population of hobbits who after smoking to much home grown tobacco think they are elves does that count.

OOC: Does anyone here use the famous 'Nightwing fighter aircraft' or its template? (40k) It is the supreme fighter for eldar (And i got my paws on it and modified its weapons appropiately and changed the name) and I decided to use its awesome defensive capabilities. Though I make sure that I have few of them in accordance to population size and military budget. I am still trying to work out their price.

Aelosia uses Eldar Phoenix fighters and Vampire Hunters bombers as attack craft, but the Nightwing was replaced by the Phoenix in our air force some time ago. Tor Yvresse uses them too, of course. We in Aelosia can help you to develop the technology and stuff, maybe that should be one of the AURE chapters...but remember not to sell that technology, (elven eyes only!).

It is the supreme fighter for eldar

For what it's worth the Darkstar Starfighter is probably better, but overkill on planetery targets, and more expensive.

My archeologists found the bones of an ancient elf in the Principality of the New Dragons but nothing has ever been recorded of their existence here.

OOC: I will say for the record that the Thelasi Zero Fighter is better, but even then, the thing is still in development, secret, on the other side of the galaxy, Menelmacar does not know about it type of development.

Speaking of Warhammer 40k, I need to go start buying that again...

It is the supreme fighter for eldar

For what it's worth the Darkstar Starfighter is probably better, but overkill on planetery targets, and more expensive.

The DarkStar Starfighter is not an atmospheric fighter, or at least my boyfriend says so. It's used and deployed from stellar cruisers to protect the bigger dreadnoughts of the Eldar fleet. Aelosia uses them only in their bigger stellar ships like the VoidStalker Flagships, but they cannot enter the atmosphere, so making raids to planetary targets with it would be...suicidal. Oh, and he says that the Necrons doesn't have any kind of stellar attack craft, Is that true?.

Killed by the postman...

Killed by the postman...

The DarkStar Starfighter is not an atmospheric fighter, or at least my boyfriend says so.
True, I didn't try to claim that. It's used and deployed from stellar cruisers to protect the bigger dreadnoughts of the Eldar fleet. Aelosia uses them only in their bigger stellar ships like the VoidStalker Flagships, but they cannot enter the atmosphere, so making raids to planetary targets with it would be...suicidal.
Oh I expect they can, they can certainly be used on the low orbit table, it's simply that other types are better for ground attack.
Oh, and he says that the Necrons doesn't have any kind of stellar attack craft, Is that true?.
That's true also. They've got ways of dealing with them though (Starpulses are very effective in dealing with such things), but the Necrons don't seem to bother with conventional ordanance. Occasionally they deploy large swarms of space scarab type things, but they, while remaining in the fluff, (they're mentioned in the necron codex) were removed from BFG for being too annoying.

I usually see the Necrons as space faring mummies using advanced technology...Is that true?

I usually see the Necrons as space faring mummies using advanced technology...Is that true?

I wouldn't say so. There's a definite egyptian theme, but it mostly dissapeared in the newer versions, and tends to only exist in their architecture now.

Thank you for that...having the right info doesn't hurt anyone...

Thank you for that...having the right info doesn't hurt anyone...

Indeed, Taggy taggy

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Well the nightwing is the only one where i got the full specs and I was impressed by what it can do. This is the modified version of it:

Specs:
Name= Bloodhawk
Type= Fighter Aircraft
Crew= One
Transport= None
Length= 12m
Height= 4.37m
Wingspan= 15.43m
Weight= 5 tons
Armour= 10mm (Material Classified)
Shield= Energy Field
MAX RECORDED SPEED;=
3600kph - swept wing
2300kph - extended wing
Armament;=
2 HPCs
2 MPRLs

((Sword of Bump))

Bah the Imperium of Mankind shall crush the Eldar.

If they can ever stop warring against each other like barbaric orcs.

Even though it's besieged on all sides, the Imperium is still expanding. Just wait till the Space Marines and countless IG regiments come knocking on your craftworlds door.

Have u ever heard of overstretching urself? Thats wat horus did to the emperor's armies and look where it got the imperium? ten thousand yrs of unrelenting war.

The Imperium has destroyed countless civilizations, even in times of war. What's one little craftworld?

One little craftworld will devastate an entire imperial battlefleet with contemptuos ease. And we have these things called farseers. Its not as if we wont know u are coming....(Oh and I play grey knights and Iron Hands but in Nationstates I reckoned i would try something different)

Well if the Imperium REALLY wanted to wipe the Eldar filth from the face of the galaxy, they could do it in a couple of years. Plus the Imperium can throw thousands upon thousands of ships at each of the craftworlds, the eldar are bound to get overruned.

Remeber the Tyranids nearly decimated Inyaden, the craftworlds are not invulnerable.

Maybe not, but the tyranids are innumerable and iyanden still kicked some ass. The ships of the imperium are not so easily replaced or built. Remember, some warships takes nearly a thousand yrs.

You could say the same thing for the Imperium. Its resources are nearly infinite. There are countless thousands of ships, and these aren't small either. I believe the smallest Battleship class the Imperium has is 1km long, and those are just escorts....though I don't know for sure.

Im not actually an elf, but I have been mistaken for the elf Legolas (and my ears aren't even that pointy)! :D

I would like to make a correction here.

Bajon is Avari, not Drow.

My nation is 0% elves and 99.89% Wyrms. :P

News Report: Today in Malaysia Hundreds of Elves employed by Santa's Toy Shop Rioted. Malaysian Special Police Forces were called out to quell the riots with Fire Hoses, Clubs, Dogs, and Tear Gas.

In a related story the Malaysian Department of labor was bombed. It is being assumed that Reactionary Elves may be responsible.

We have a large number of elves in our colective, esspecially drow.

I would like to make a correction here.

Bajon is Avari, not Drow.

Oh, I see that. Interesting. Our relations with Bajon has improved in one point. :D

Well if the Imperium REALLY wanted to wipe the Eldar filth from the face of the galaxy, they could do it in a couple of years. Plus the Imperium can throw thousands upon thousands of ships at each of the craftworlds, the eldar are bound to get overruned.

Remeber the Tyranids nearly decimated Inyaden, the craftworlds are not invulnerable.

Please note that the Imperium is pressed on every side by:
Tyranids
Dark Eldar(to an extent)
Tau
Chaos(the big one!)
Eldar

And if you read the Eldar codex then you would notice that the Imperium cannot put tags on a craftworld. The Eldar would forsee the Imperium coming and get out of the way.

Tyranids - Bah maybe

Dark Eldar - to small to be a major threat. Minor annoyances at best.

Tau - HA! Don't make me laugh!

Chaos - Maybe if they were more organized

Eldar - To small, a minor threat at best.

Also:

Necrons:

Mutants-within:

Heretivs

[quote="The Goa uld"]
Chaos - Maybe if they were more organized

Ever heard of somethung called EOT

:?

Necrons-I don't know too much about these guys, only that they b*tch slap the pointy ears....I mean the Eldar technologically. An estimation on their numbers?

Mutants-Exterminatus

Heretics-This is what the Inquisitors are for, the heretics don't stand a chance.

And what about the EOT? How many "Black Crusades" has Abaddon iniated? How many were actually successful? Yeah, I know there are suppose to be hordes upon hordes of Daemons in there, wher are they, why haven't they been unleashed?

Alright let me put it this way, GW will never let the Imperium fall. What is 40k without the Imperium?

We are an Quendi nation, which is 100% Noldor.
In other words. We be Elves.

[OOC: We have Quendi (mostly Noldor immigrants and descendants of said immigrants from nearby Menelmacar, some Sindar, a tremendously small Teleri population), and a Quendi-descendend species, the Nenyar, who are still Quendi but aren't, quite, ish. They're not mortal, even though they 'die' of natural causes. So not Quendi, but not Atani either, as they are not under the Doom of Men - but instead tarry a while in the Halls of Mandos before returning in new bodies.]

All Quendi, mostly Sindar.

[OOC: Oh, I forgot to mention. The Iluvauromeni Quendi and the Nenyar are in the minority; there are only sixty million Nenyar and slightly less Quendi inside Iluvuaromen, as compared to the (roughly, from memory) one-point-nine-five billion Menjdari and Dth'gari Humans.

I also have another nation, Tumnore, which is wholly Nenyar, all of whom are obviously (as all the Nenyar are) descended from the Noldor, the King of which is descended directly from Gil-Galad (as is Taurenor's leader, no?). I'm being lazy with the accents and such. Sorry.

Well, actually, the Tumnoreans don't consider themselves to be Nenyar, but they are biologically. Just not culturally.

Anyway - there's about forty million of them (living inside a mountain inside the international borders of Iluvauromen, but being a seperate political entity), no matter what the national population the game engine gives. Probably quite a bit higher than that by now, anyway.]

The Neutral Republic of Aeruillin has a large portion (37%) of half-elven citizens, but only 10% of fully elven origin.

These dwell mostly in the Southern and Southwest parts of our nation, within the province of Nyrmal (view map (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Image:Aeruillinmap.gif)). Few of them take an active interest in government, though the office of Foreign Minister of Aeruillin is currently held by a Noldorin Elf (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Vanessa_Siliagh).

Although primarily half-orc, opressed minorities of various races have fled into our borders. We currently count 2% half-elves and .3% elves.

I've slept with an elf...does that count?