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The Xanthalian Armada is planning on the commissioning of five new vessels of new Eclipse class over the next ten years. These ships will cost fifty trillion dollars each, and will be built with reserve funds provided directly from the central government. This action will bring the reserve accounts to almost zero, and has been warned against by the Ministry of Economics, but the Xanthalian government has decided to build the five and make up the cost by gleaning funds from the Than system's Republic membership dues over the next hundred years. The Eclipse class will be the most powerful ship in the Xanthalian fleet, and one will be assigned to each Xanthalian-owned solar system. The remaining one will be moved as needed by the Armada.
OOC: I know this ship is insane, but I've calculated it thrice and I can afford the five with our reserve funds. Barely. Here's hoping nothing disastrous happens to us anytime soon, because our reserves are all but gone.

Eclipse class (ultra-heavy tactical):
The Eclipse class is based off of the Imperial Star Destroyer class of the same name. It is massive, bigger than most starbases, but still relatively mobile. It's assault weapon power is unmatched, and it can take on most super-capital ships easily. It's size means that it is vulnerable to large numbers of smaller warships, so it is always escorted by other Xanthalian vessels. Adequately supported it can defeat entire fleets of enemy warships. Used mostly as a weapon of intimidation by the Armada.
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(Shown flying with decommissioned Xanthalian Imperial class ships)
Dimensions: 18,000 X 7,000 X 6,000 meters
-Impulse drive (0.05 SL)
-Transdimensional Gateway emitters
-Complement: 100,000 crew, one AI
-Powerplant: Two Infinate Energy Cores
-100,000 standard torpedos
-Gravity Manipulation System
-Transphasic torpedos
-Infinity ion cannon
-Infinity plasma cannon
-Thalaron deployment capability
-Molecular Cohesion Disrupter deployment capability
-48 100mm rail guns, eight covering each facet of the ship
-Cluster missiles
-Phaser banks (total 1,500):
--Fore: 700
--Aft: 500
--Port: 600
--Starboard: 600
--Dorsal: 500
--Ventral: 800
-Multiphasic disrupter banks (total 11,100):
--Fore: 600
--Aft: 500
--Port: 3,000
--Starboard: 3,000
--Dorsal: 2,500
--Ventral: 1,500
-Torpedo tubes (total 4,400):
--Fore: 800
--Aft: 500
--Port: 1,000
--Starboard: 1,000
--Dorsal: 600
--Ventral: 500
-Shielding:
--Primary: Type Z
--Secondary: Type Z
--Trinary: Type X
--Quadrinary: Type X
-Armor ratings:
--Body: 5

You are welcome for the design.

We of Letila are considering a superbattleship of our own.

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We, the Klonor Space Force, wish you well on this unparalelled endeavor. May you suffer no setbacks, and we hope that the commissioning of this grand new ship shall bring peace to your nation.

OOC: This thing will be more powerful than the SW Eclipse, right? Cause that, while powerful, isn't that powerful

Very impressive. I'd say oyur the first nation to ever atempting building this sized ship alone without the god-mod factor. Very impressive

You are welcome for the design.Yeah, yours will considerably less powerful than our upgraded version, but you get what you pay for I guess.

NOOO!! YOU HAVE OUTSIZED MY STEEL PENISES!

Ahh well, at least I still have my One-of-a-kind 30km long Flagship...

OOC: This thing will be more powerful than the SW Eclipse, right? Cause that, while powerful, isn't that powerfulYep, we took the frame of the Imperial version and replaced it's weapons, shields, and systems with the more advanced Xanthalian versions.

OOC: Okay, just checking.

OOC/IC: Oh! I forgot to add: It can float! (...if you can find an ocean floating in space, it can't operate in atmospheres and it's probably too big to land in the ocean of a round planet).

damn....time to start work on that singularity bomb to take care of them suckers.......oops, did I say that out loud? :P

damn....time to start work on that singularity bomb to take care of them suckers.......oops, did I say that out loud? :POOC: Bah. We have big guns too.

Hrm...building massive ships to bring peace to NationStates. Funny.

Hrm...building massive ships to bring peace to NationStates. Funny.Who said anything about bringing peace? These are warships, we don't deny that. If we go to war, they will be out there delivering whoop-ass with the rest of the fleet.

If you cancel my last contract and refund my money, I will order one of your upgraded Eclipses. Or pay $40 trillion for you to upgrade the project.

The upgraded Eclipse class vessels contain patented Xanthalian technology. If you buy one you forfeit all future building rights. You must buy all of your Eclipse class vessels from us from now on and never attempt to duplicate or reverse-engineer Xanthalian technology. If you do, you'll face military intervention. If that is okay with you, we'll upgrade your project, but the price will be $60 trillion extra (a total cost of $70 trillion), we need to make a profit from the ship we make for you.

Hrm...building massive ships to bring peace to NationStates. Funny.Who said anything about bringing peace? These are warships, we don't deny that. If we go to war, they will be out there delivering whoop-ass with the rest of the fleet.

War only exists to bring peace by eliminating all other opposition, thus leaving the winner the undisputed ruler of everything. That is the only purpose of war. But I won't get all philosophical.

War only exists to bring peace by eliminating all other opposition, thus leaving the winner the undisputed ruler of everything. That is the only purpose of war. But I won't get all philosophical.Mmm... Well, think of it how you will.

Just deliver the original and I shall upgrade it myself.

Hrm...building massive ships to bring peace to NationStates. Funny.

I don't think I can remember the last time anyone claimed to bring peace to NS.......what a joke.

Go forth and smite this foolish person, Xanthal. You have my blessings :wink:

Just deliver the original and I shall upgrade it myself.You got it, just don't pirate our technology when you do.

MMMMMMMM ALALALALA MMMMMMMM


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Walten: Pay us $35 trillion and agree never to illegally replicate or reverse-engineer our technology.

OOC/IC: Oh! I forgot to add: It can float! (...if you can find an ocean floating in space, it can't operate in atmospheres and it's probably too big to land in the ocean of a round planet).

1. Then how do you know it can float?

2. How are you adjusting your economy so that you can support this extremely expensive ship?

3. How are you preparing your military for the forces needed to support this ship?

4. How are you buying material of any value for $.02 per square meter. (My math may be off...having a little new years drink :wink: ...anyone can check this.)

5. Undoubtedly, this ship takes tons of power for both electricity, the engines, and the particle weapons and lasers. How do you generate it and how do you protect the generators?

6. You say it's relatively mobile...well that's very relative. It would be like the titanic vs. a liftboat...compared to the Eclipse vs. the Star Destroyer. Now the SD is in no way mobile...and it's about 1/10 of the length of the Eclipse based on the picture. From the angle, the Star Destroyer scale ratio may be destorted, but because it is the closer image, the camera angle can only make it seem larger, more proving my point.

7. Where the hell do you store the ammo for the non-particle weapons?

8. If you already have Star Destroyers (why I'm not sure) how is this ship a better "deal" than say 5 or 6 Star Destroyers. Tactics used by the SD's would in my mind far surpass the sole capabilities of the Eclipse.

9. By the pic, this ship is many many many times larger than the SD, yet it is not many many many time larger price wise. How did you make it so cheaply? Does it fit in with your extremely underpriced materials used? Perhaps black market?

10. I expect quick, accurate, and detailed responses to these fair questions. If the answers do not meet my requirements, an investigation team will be sent to determine the actual existance of this "super vessel."

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Sky Marshall Michael Zephyr
Commander of the Imperial Fleet and Marines

I HAVE BROUGHT THE CAKE! THE CAKE IS IN LEMON FORM....BOOOM

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5CN's Crusade Aerospace Naval Company would like to become a contractor for this new craft... We are willing to pay US$50 trillion for rights to produce several of these for sale and will offer 75% profits to Xanthal...

And I want these answers posted. It's too big to be TGed and I want others to see it.

Two words: Target Practice

It's big, bulky and heavy. The manuverability WILL be terrible, the acceleration rate would mean a Ford Pinto could easily cream it and that amount of weapons would severely drain energy and take up nearly 90% of the ship.

Again, two words: Target Practice.

Ahhh fuck it I dont want them.

Ahhh f--- it I dont want them.

I sure hope I didn't ruin the thread.

Ahhh f--- it I dont want them.

I sure hope I didn't ruin the thread.

OOC:You did. Damn you common sense man and your realistic thinking!
BTW Steek check your teles.

Ahhh f--- it I dont want them.

I sure hope I didn't ruin the thread.

OOC:You did. Damn you common sense man and your realistic thinking!

Way to get around it? Don't post such detailed stats. You look smarter when you don't pretend to look smart.

Steel Butterfly:
1. That was a joke. It can't float.

2. Payment method is explained in the first post.

3. The government will divert workers to the Armada, like we do for every new ship.

4. Large-scale replication; same way we did the planet project. And why we have virtually no agricultural sector.

5. The powerplant is listed in the specs.

6. Once again, please read the specs.

7. Inside the ship. Duh.

8. Regular Star Destroyers suck. These don't. We don't build ISDs anymore.

9. See #4 and the fact that all commerce and industry in Xanthal is government-controlled.

10. Done.

Xanthal

If you wish we could assist in the construction of these magificant starships.

we have 3 shipyards capable of building them, there is one in the Ruul system, one in the Bren system and one in the WY system

Ok, you must have an unlimited amount of resources or a small fleet to hope to replace ISD with Eclipses. Eclipses would be like an aircraft carrier in fleets, with ISD's serving as escort vessels.

Five Civilized Nations: No contracts, sorry.

Foe Hammer: Thus the reason for the insanely powerful shields and many weapons. The idea is to blow up the enemy before you're destroyed.

Soviet Trasa: As we said, no contracts.

Irish-Americans: Yeah, that's like replacing Xanthalian Slipfighters with Xanthalian Dreadnaughts.

So you are agreeing and the Eclipses will just be the center of your fleet and the ISDs or Dreadnoghts will serve as support vessels?

We do not wish a share of the profit if that's what you mean

the offer will still stand if you ever need them.

Five Civilized Nations: No contracts, sorry.

Foe Hammer: Thus the reason for the insanely powerful shields and many weapons. The idea is to blow up the enemy before you're destroyed.

Its alright, we produce our own version of the Eclipse anyways...

Irish-Americans: We have no ISDs. Dreadnaughts, Super Dreadnaughts, Sabres, and Slipfighters will all be able to serve as support vessels.

Soviet Trasa: Noted.

Heh. This is very impressive. But can it compete with the awe-inspiring power of my space fortresses? (And does it really matter, since we're allies?)

Heh. This is very impressive. But can it compete with the awe-inspiring power of my space fortresses? (And does it really matter, since we're allies?)Mabye and probably not.

1. That was a joke. It can't float.

-Then why is it in an official document

2. Payment method is explained in the first post.

-Ok...but that's pretty dangerous...

3. The government will divert workers to the Armada, like we do for every new ship.

-Still, do you have a huge surplus of workers, soldiers, and officers or something? That would be horrible to your economy that is already in danger for building the ships.

4. Large-scale replication; same way we did the planet project. And why we have virtually no agricultural sector.

-Cool actually. I have replicator tech. Then again, I don't like using it for ships because frankly...the NS community tends to ignore it.

5. The powerplant is listed in the specs.

-Two "Infinate" Energy Cores? Honestly...you can't even spell that right.

6. Once again, please read the specs.

-That doesn't mean they make sense.

7. Inside the ship. Duh.

-Glad no one is being a smart ass here. :roll: I meant - Is a vast majority of this ship used as weapons storage? What actually is inside it?

8. Regular Star Destroyers suck. These don't. We don't build ISDs anymore.

-Then shouldn't you be focused on a replacement for them if they "suck" so much. 5 superships can't take the place of a good fleet.

9. See #4 and the fact that all commerce and industry in Xanthal is government-controlled.

-Alright. Like I said in #4 I too have replicator tech. I don't flaunt it though or use it to my military advantage. Why? The definition of Godmod is determined by the majority.

10. Done.

Probably not for both...

1. That statement wasn't in the official first post.

2. Agreed.

3. Not really, by the time the ships are built workers will have been routinely diverted. Anyway, this won't have an impact on the economy unless therte's some cataclysm.

4. I haven't found that t o be true, but whatever.

5. Why didn't my spellcheck catch that?... Anyway, this tech has been around a long time and discussed on several threads. It operates by drawing energy from another dimension, one of pure energy. I'm not going to argue this point with you.

6. Why? The specs. are fine!

7. Mostly weapons and shields facilities. Some other subsystems and accomodations for the crew.

8. I know. We don't operate any ISDs. I have a factbook, you know. You should read it.

9. And I've never had a complaint. No majority=No godmod.

10. Done.

A struggle of epic proportions... As Xanthal is building an Eclipse for me, GO XANTHAL!

8. I know. We don't operate any ISDs. I have a factbook, you know. You should read it.

9. And I've never had a complaint. No majority=No godmod.


8. Then why are they in the picture? Tour ships?

9. You've never had a complaint? :lol: Then again...if there is an "energy dimension" and you have portals that channel it into your ships, I guess Replicators seem almost like yesterday's news.

8: Not exactly, they serve as heavy transports now that most of their weapons systems have been removed. (This is a long story. Summary: Xanthal builds ten ISDs, Xanthal decides they're not worth it, Xanthal modifies the ISDs to serve as transports so that they don't go to waste, said ISDs are temporarily pulled from duty to fly with the Eclipse prototype for size comparison and asthetics.)

9: Considering that your response to this was pretty much an insult, I'm not going to argue over it.

Bah...fair enough. I'll let the public decide from now on.

I'll let the public decide...Always a good plan. Just don't go posting in all of my threads dissing me and encouraging people to ignore me.

I never said to ignore you. If I ignored you, I wouldn't post in your threads. :wink:

And if I ever put new tech out, feel free to complain about things that are wrong.

I never said to ignore you. If I ignored you, I wouldn't post in your threads. :wink:

And if I ever put new tech out, feel free to complain about things that are wrong.Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your questions. If I run up against one I can't answer, I know there's something I need to change.

Aside from the fact that you are building five ludicrously expensive wastes of material, ISDs aren't "crap". Can your ships dish out teratons of energy in a broadside? Because the first three of the four heavy turrets dish out 200 gigatons of energy per shot. For an idea of that amount of power, most asteroid impacts are megaton ranged. In Star Trek, shields of Federation vessels can absorb impacts in the low megaton range, like around 70 megatons or so. A glancing hit from an ISD's heavy turret would be the equivalent of hitting a glass jar with a brick, with the jar being the Trek ship. And those are just the heavy turrets, theres several dozen other turbolasers scattered around the hull. In one of the novels, two ISDs wail on each other for half an hour before shield failure on one.

Vernii: ISDs are crap. I stand by it. Hit their shield emitters and they're dead. And these aren't wastes of material, they're viable and powerful battlecruisers. Also, don't compare Trek tech with Star Wars tech. They don't mix. Period. There's Trek tech that will decimate Star Wars tech and there's Star Wars tech that will decimate Trek tech. They're based on different principles.

Vernii: ISDs are crap. I stand by it. Hit their shield emitters and they're dead. And these aren't wastes of material, they're viable and powerful battlecruisers. Also, don't compare Trek tech with Star Wars tech. They don't mix. Period. There's Trek tech that will decimate Star Wars tech and there's Star Wars tech that will decimate Trek tech. They're based on different principles.

Except if they met, SW would obliterate Trek. Energy is energy, it doesn't matter if they use different principles with their, which I'd like to see you prove. Trek is very low on the sci-fi food chain, and for comparison Wars is about middle. Theres a lot of stuff that could eat SW for lunch, like the Galactic Empire and Foundation from Asimov's novels, or the Culture.

And two, the domes aren't actually generators, they are sensors, this has been defeated many times before and I don't feel like going into it again. Just trust me on this when I say that they are sensors. And even if they were, you would still have to get through the shields first to destroy them, and I've already posted above about how difficult that is.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html "SW vs ST in Five Minutes: For those who don't have the patience to slog through calculations."

Star Wars: Slave-1
Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Star Trek: Enterprise-D
Main phasers: 3.6 GW

See that? That right there means that a small private vessel would kick the crap out of the pride of Starfleet.

Vernii: In the game they're shield generators and they're unshielded. Why is your story more feasible? It's a matter of trust, and if you only trust the original trilogy written by Lucas, the whole argument falls apart. Go beyond that to the games and novels and comics and whatnot and there's conflict after conflict over SW reality. Trek is the same way. The point is, we're both right; we're just using different refrence points.

Therefore the argument is pointless and I'm done with it.

Edit to first post due to a mistake that I somehow made (I'm not sure how...) Dimensions corrected from 18,000 X 12,000 X 11,000 meters to 18,000 X 7,000 X 6,000 meters.

9. And I've never had a complaint. No majority=No godmod.


Ehh, no... It doesn't work like that. Again, as I stated in the Neo-Wu Leaving thread, NS is like high school, since the Popular people get away with all sorts of shit. Just 'cause no one calls a foul don't mean it didn't take place.

You're right. It just means it doesn't matter.

You're right. It just means it doesn't matter.
Nope. Just because no one's accused you on it doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Let's say you murder someone, and you're nowhere near being a possible suspect. Does that immediatly cancel out the murder? Does it cancel out the severity (bleh, however the f*ck you spell it) of the crime?

No. But that example doesn't relate to the case in point. A murder and an artistic liberty in an online game are two very different things. Besides, they were Steel Butterfly's words, not mine.

SB wrote: The definition of Godmod is determined by the majority.
I replied: And I've never had a complaint. No majority=No godmod.

Your argument is with SB, not I.

Nevermind, I forgot why the hell I'm arguing.

Mmm. Well, my work is done here. I won't be posting in this thread again. If anyone has an actual question that doesn't insult my intelligence (or anything else) you're welcome to TG me.

i just bought an eclipse could u give i tthese upgrades

There isn't anything wrong with building large cardboard ships.

Although I would have to disagree that you need a "majority" for something to be a godmod.

Vernii: ISDs are crap. I stand by it. Hit their shield emitters and they're dead. And these aren't wastes of material, they're viable and powerful battlecruisers. Also, don't compare Trek tech with Star Wars tech. They don't mix. Period. There's Trek tech that will decimate Star Wars tech and there's Star Wars tech that will decimate Trek tech. They're based on different principles.

Except if they met, SW would obliterate Trek. Energy is energy, it doesn't matter if they use different principles with their, which I'd like to see you prove. Trek is very low on the sci-fi food chain, and for comparison Wars is about middle. Theres a lot of stuff that could eat SW for lunch, like the Galactic Empire and Foundation from Asimov's novels, or the Culture.

And two, the domes aren't actually generators, they are sensors, this has been defeated many times before and I don't feel like going into it again. Just trust me on this when I say that they are sensors. And even if they were, you would still have to get through the shields first to destroy them, and I've already posted above about how difficult that is.

http://stardestroyer.net/Empire/index.html "SW vs ST in Five Minutes: For those who don't have the patience to slog through calculations."

Star Wars: Slave-1
Main guns: 64000 GW (2 kilotons per shot, 480 rpm firing rate onscreen in AOTC for time-averaged power output rather than peak output)
Star Trek: Enterprise-D
Main phasers: 3.6 GW

See that? That right there means that a small private vessel would kick the crap out of the pride of Starfleet.

Don't even start this. So Georgy Lucas likes adding zeros to the end of his numbers...it doesn't mean anything. SW is fantasy, ST is science fiction...and a lot more realistic, if you can say that. This is another stupid "SW vs. ST" thread that is pointlessly made up of fanboys like yourself bragging about your favorite. Enough...go get a life.

There isn't anything wrong with building large cardboard ships.

Although I would have to disagree that you need a "majority" for something to be a godmod.

Think about it though. If you make something that's...say..."iffy"...

If 1 person screames GODMOD at you, you'll tell them to shut up and go away.

If nearly everyone, including some respected RPers, scream GODMOD at you...you're probably think twice.

I meant in this way...not voting or something.

Hmm, yes. However, if I make something that I know isn't a godmod, and everyone tells me it is, I still go by my internal "godmod-o-meter," so to speak and argue the point. Its all relative, I guess.

Hmm, yes. However, if I make something that I know isn't a godmod, and everyone tells me it is, I still go by my internal "godmod-o-meter," so to speak and argue the point. Its all relative, I guess.

Ah...naturally. I'd think twice...but that's merely a precaution. :wink:

That's an awesome ship, Xanthal.

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Xanthal, I hope you return to this thread because I am quite curious as to how big you speculate the crew is going to be for a ship this large.