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Well, personally I've been giving advise out to a nation so that he doesn't end up with the scenario where he can attack and fight like a normal nation but cannot be targeted like a normal nation... you know, because he's a terrorist and they don't give addresses or anything for you to locate them by.

So here is what I said to him:

OOC: Iuthia's Personal Ideas of Pro's and Cons of a Terrorist Nation

Ok Chagal, you need some hints, while I feel you are doing ok, some parts of your RP can be abusive, for example it is hard to find you and fight you... well here is some balancing tips you need to think about, you may or may not use them but if you don't balance your nation some how I will delcare you a god-moder and ignore your attacks outright.


Firstly you should have an idea of how many members you have in your organisation, if you say "As much as my UN profile" I will ignore you, because that is really god-moding. No one terrorist organisation can support that without spliting into many many splinter organisations, you don't have enough nations to support that many recruits (because you're not a conventional nation, you have to savenge recuits from others).

A suggestion would be to get some nations to hide in and then list them in a OOC thread or in a text document, it would be nice if an outside part had a copy of this so they could back you up and say you are not cheating. Also you should RP setting up a cell in each of these nations (with permission from the nation owner, you couldn't set up one in Iuthia because it's impossible with your current mind set) then list it as a nation you have forces in.

Both of these will give you important information, where you are and how many fighter you have their. Remember that the more people in you have in one place the easier you will be to find, so if you are in a nation that doesn't IC like you (but OOC let you get in) then you will have to have small cells of terrorists, rarely communicating with one another for safety. If the nation supports you, you may be able to have facilities and the such.


Secondly you will have to work out how you have good resources, I mean it's very hard for an organisation to come up with chemical weapons on their own... because you have to have facilities to do so, which means you need a nation to do it in. If this nation is found out then you will probably loose these facilities. Remember, this nation has to run normally as well as help you, so they won't always offer you alot. You will have to sucure funds too, which isn't easy because you need support. Do your guys have real jobs? Or just some of them...


As a rule of thumb, most of them will be poorly equipped but will have at least a few specialists in each cell who could make bombs and other supplies in a bodged sort of way... good equipment is saved for the big stuff and will be rare... you won't have much in the way of chemical weapons, at least no the advanced ones.


Aslo think about their mentality and how it was achieved... if they are fanatics they may be hard to interorgate but they may be easier to find in places because they are more likely to stick out... unless they are in a nation which is fanatical. It is also hard to get a well trained well disaplined terrorist when you have no real cause to fight for like you once told me, technology is very limited.


I'll stop here because I need a breather, I may think of more but a terrorist organisation that will be respected and not ignored will need alot of work and explaining, if you cannot balance your force you will be god-moding

"No one can kill my nation of terrorist they are everywhere" only works when your terrorists are limited themselves...


Finally, don't ever just say "My terrorists are in your nation, I recruit from your nation" that is like calling damage on his people, it's not right and you can be ignored for it, RP setting up a cell... but if he really doesn't want you to (OOC) then it's going to be hard and you will need flawless RP to force him.

From here:

The War Against SOC Terrorism Thread (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109199&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20)

I think on the third page I explain why 3 million people is unrealistic.

Anyways, I know this is freeform and you can RP terrorists and the such however you like, but I feel that they can be abusive so I gave some hints... otherwise I'd have to ignore him on the grounds that I didn't feel it was reasonable as realist terrorist group...

Anyone can run a terrorist group however they like... I just ask that they should put some thought into it and try to be even about how they run.


How would you run a terrorist organisation, what limits whould you have and what bonuses whould you claim?

I do not believe in terrorism at all, therefore, I would not be able to give advice or suggestion, or even a method, of how I would go about running a terrorist nation.

Using the Wahabi branch of the Al-Queda. I would say that terrorists are what the big army calls the little army.
Modern day weapons of more sophisticated well armed countries allow for a lower loss of civilian life, but losses to non-combatants occur anyway.
In both instances, the soldiers must be trained, outfitted and willing to fight. The difference lies in the tactics used. The Geneva Convention gave modern military forces outlines for protocol in combat. Terrorists will use whatever measures they can to do harm to the offending nation. I agree with your observation that a terrorist cell is limited by its resources. The Twin Tower Terrorists were allowed to enter the U.S. on a student Visa for a Tennis Scholarship, and were well financed by the Taliban to attend the necessary flight schools and falsified documents in order to carry out their mission. Their mission was also aided by the "Ride along policy," of Airlines which allowed them to be in the cockpit of the planes.

The priority of any Army is to win the War.
If troops can be found that are dedicated to a conflict, they will no doubt continue to fight with whatever means are possible until satisfied with their situation. While it may be considered Godmoding to recruit in a foreign nation, there is always the possibility of Sympathizers. I believe there should be some consideration by the Nation being terrorized for recruitment, as aides or soldiers regarding the action being taken.
Example: French Underground WWII.

If a nation chooses to use Terrorists against another nation, they are using a double edged sword. If for some reason the loose terrorism cell sees their own state as a traitor for "fill in the blank," they can turn against their former host.
Example: Saudi Arabia.

"How would you run a Terrorist Organisation? (NS Nation)"

Well, whatever I would do, I wouldn't spread it around (either in NS or the real world) in fear that someone else might like the idea. Let the bastards figure it out on their own.

1> Make room in your budget for bomb shelters. You will need them.

2> Don't attack The United States.

Those are my suggestions on how to run a terrorist nation.

Well, here's how I run my terrorist puppet Dark Vengeance:

They have a secret hideout inside Perrier (I'm sure you remember him) that is underground, and that is their "headquarters". The network is actually a conglomoration of terrorist cells that are capable of operating free of central leadership if need be. There are a few sleeper cells in AMF, along with some of my other friends, that occasionally stir up trouble (it happens every 2 or 3 months.). Basically, the way I play DV reflects on how I play AMF. If AMF glasses a certain country (For the sake of argument let's say) DV settlers move in and set up underground bases and cities. Basically, they shadow AMF.

I usually don't RP alot with DV, and my IC excuse is that they are laying low. And that's how I play DV, regardless of how "NS correct" it is.

*tag*

Give me the GPS coordinates of all your bases, bunkers, caches, facilities, homes, etc. and you won't have to worry about having a terrorist state.

I do not believe in terrorism at all, therefore, I would not be able to give advice or suggestion, or even a method, of how I would go about running a terrorist nation.

I do not beleive that anything we can come up with would be better then the methods that are already being used, I'm thinking more on a game play level so that the nation is balanced in comparison to others...

Give me the GPS coordinates of all your bases, bunkers, caches, facilities, homes, etc. and you won't have to worry about having a terrorist state.

This is a OOC thread... don't post IC threats or actions.

Give me the GPS coordinates of all your bases, bunkers, caches, facilities, homes, etc. and you won't have to worry about having a terrorist state.

This is a OOC thread... don't post IC threats or actions.

Translation: All the bunkers in the world will not help a terrorist nation. My suggestion is that you increase your funding on shovels and bulldozers, cause you will need them to dig graves.

Iuthia, take what he says into context & lighten up!

I'd have it be just like any other nation, just with more eaux de "worms hiding in dirt."

I wouldn't run it. It would be anarchist.

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I'd run a terrorist NS nation the same way as a normal nation. But instead of having a military branch, the personnel and budget should go towards maitaining terrorist cells abroad and recruitment/training camps. Since the nature of terrorists is highly secretive (if you want to last more than a day) you can't assume to have more manpower than say, a typical spec ops branch of the military. This way, you can utilize the o so typical percentages to simplify your calculations on man power without being too unreasonable. This is just the actual manpower part of it.

To be able to commit terrorist acts ICly, you need to insure that the taget country is either 1) oocly aware of it and allows it, or 2) generally allows free passage to normal everyday people. While this may sound daunting at first, its really not too hard. Most people claim that the y have "impenetrable" customs or what not, but if they allow any kind of freedom of travel then they really don't. Face it, if a country were to do a complete lock down on all travel and beef up security to such an extent to be able to prevent any terrorist attack, there would be no passage through customs. And this senario only assumes that you actually try to enter legitamately. Using this system, you will find that alot more nations would be eligible for targeting.

Now onto actually committing terrorist acts. I would suggest that you keep then relatively minor. Things such as - senator X was assassinated along with his gay lover, or parliment building got bombed during the night. Things that won't disrupt too much - unless, of course, that you already cleared the big stuff with the target nation. This is to encourage the other person to "play along" as it were. People tend to get rather pissy when you try to kill off their leader, or otherwise important plot character.

As for keeping your nation getting glassed, make sure that everyone can clearly understand from the post that your "nation" does not acknowledge the claims of the terrorist. Basically, keep the distance. Be like Iraq, and start spouting "America sucks" every time we get bombed, and you'll get glassed. Be like Saudi Arabia, and act all innocent and say "we have nothing to do with this", and the target nation can do nothing about it.

My two bucks.

Fair enough, my problem is that this terrorist organisation seems to be RPing just the terrorists, they don't have their own nation to base their power from.

They do, however have a nation backing them secretly.

Give me the GPS coordinates of all your bases, bunkers, caches, facilities, homes, etc. and you won't have to worry about having a terrorist state.

This is a OOC thread... don't post IC threats or actions.

Translation: All the bunkers in the world will not help a terrorist nation. My suggestion is that you increase your funding on shovels and bulldozers, cause you will need them to dig graves.

Iuthia, take what he says into context & lighten up!

Thank you. That was an OCC post, there isn't a shred of RP in that post.

Fair enough, my problem is that this terrorist organisation seems to be RPing just the terrorists, they don't have their own nation to base their power from.

This is true for most terrorist groups but remember there is always Al Qaida type organizations that do not adhere to the commonalities of terrorist groups.

Most terrorist groups have young men, generally uneducated, with no set base of operations other than their homes, makeshift places here and there, etc.

Al Qaida had a base of operations (Afghanistan) and operated with men much older than their 20s, which is the norm (I believe 25 was the median age of a terrorist) and in Al Qaida it was in the 30s, and they were well educated.