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Ok, Xanthal and I traded technology. I gave him some of Foe Hammer's advanced Shield technology, and in return, he gave me Xanthalian FTL technology capable of travelling at up to 5,000,000,000 times the speed of light. Is this ub3r-wanking?

First vote. Yes.

Upto 10x like Star Trek is OK, but not that extreme!

No ultra detailed describtion on how this stuff works = WANK!

Lack of a working RL model = WANK!

Foe Hammer + Xanthal = WANK!

*This has been a friendly flame from your local player hater Sketch*

Really........who cares? This is uber tech you're talking about anyways. I personally don't see "advanced Shield technology" and FTL capable of "5,000,000,000 times the speed of light" to be any different than what we have going on right now. Oh well, just my two cents.

Well, considering that in my Godmod Storefront (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88559) (which was intended to sorta satirically illustrate wankage by exagerration), I had wank engines that went at 400c....

Yes. Considering that in my vain attempt to "exagerrate" the wank existing in NS, I missed by a factor of... oh lets see, five billion divided by four hundred... 12.5 million!

Sends in cleaners mop up the mess. :)

Yes I think it is godmoding and just do the other nine people who looked at this.

Yes I think it is godmoding and just do the other nine people who looked at this.

Firstly yeah it's a tad godmodded FH. Secondly Matich...I think you need some thought here.


What do you need?We can have Special Forces or teh whole 3rd Army in your nation within 24 hrs.Please respond asap.



President Matich

Care to explain how you can mobalise an entire army in 24 hours? ;)

Note also I was too lazy to post in that thread since I was already posting here on the FH stuff. Will move this to other thread should FH request it.

Something that travels above the c2 should turn into pure energy, or at least that's what E=mc2 partialy means. (Energy is equal to mass accelerated to the speed of light squared.) Even the warp drives in Star Trek which can only operate X1-X9.9 (and in rare cases X10+, think of TNG: "All Good Things" and VOY: "Threshold") are technically immposible because anything traveling at c2 would turn into energy (note: This is not violating the Law of Conservation of Matter because the energy is not destroyed, it is just converted into a different form.)

Yes I think it is godmoding and just do the other nine people who looked at this.

Firstly yeah it's a tad godmodded FH. Secondly Matich...I think you need some thought here.


What do you need?We can have Special Forces or teh whole 3rd Army in your nation within 24 hrs.Please respond asap.



President Matich

Care to explain how you can mobalise an entire army in 24 hours? ;)

Note also I was too lazy to post in that thread since I was already posting here on the FH stuff. Will move this to other thread should FH request it.


Yes I can.Its a small army and they are on 24/7 alert.They are all airborne,Cav,or FAD which means they dont ahev tanks or any of that other stuff so they can be moved easily.Now you get it?

Note also I was too lazy to post in that thread since I was already posting here on the FH stuff. Will move this to other thread should FH request it.
No, you can keep it here.

Note also I was too lazy to post in that thread since I was already posting here on the FH stuff. Will move this to other thread should FH request it.
No, you can keep it here.


Thanx but I think the argueing is over.The Army is more like a Core an Airborne Core.

To travel at those speeds Xanthal isn't even in our dimension, or universe or whatever. He doesn't change to energy because in "hyperspace" things work differently. At leat I hope he's in another dimension. I'll give you the Babylon 5 way super fast travel.

Hyperspace Drive Technology (http://www.b5tech.com/misctech/engines/hyperdrive/hyperdrive.html)

Second, Warp 9 in star trek isn't 9x the speed of light, it is roughly 1500 times the speed of light. I refer you here for more information.

And this is only for those who would say "B5 tech is godmoding, but star trek did things right." I'm trying to point out that everything is impossible.

Warp Speed Chart (http://www.angelfire.com/nj2/startrek/warp9.html)

But all of that is really pointless. It's uber tech, and so uber things are bound to happen. While 5 billion is a bit excessive, 400 isn't anywhere near godmoding in my opinion.

120,000,000 km per second is quite the wank from a science point of view, and using Star Trek to justify that doesn't help as ST tends to, well, wank.

And think about it. If things can go that fast, how come in the entire history of NS, no one has ever crashed into NS earth, and blown everyone's nations (and the continents and crust and everything) up with the kinetic energy? Is it because every FTL nation has just never had terrorists or other motive for doing so, or because most NS players would ignore it even if they did?

I am thinking the latter, and rightfully so.

If you accept that things can move that fast, then there is really nothing to prevent you (or me or anyone) from literally destroying NS earth in less than a second. I don't expect everyone to go the "hard sci fi" route, but really, when did it become so pertinent to everyone's storyline that they had to be able to travel instantaneous-uberly? And when did everyone start acquiring galactic empires? Sheesh, doesn't anyone just wanna play NATIONstates anymore?

/rant

CC Tech:

FTL Technologies

Current Capsule Corporation FTL Technology:

All larger Capsule Corporation ships, also known as the FoldShips, are equipped with a Space-Fold Drive. This drive consumes a great amount of energy, one we've only been able to provide with the Chlorophusion Power Technology (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=66190), to pull two points in space together, allowing instant teleportation between two points. THis is called "Space-Fold" because it is much like the analogy of drawing two points on a piece of paper, then literally bringing the two points together by folding the paper rather than drawing a line between them. Obviously this ability grows significantly harder with distance, which is why our largest, most efficient Space-Fold Drive in existance is only able to reach a maximum of 500 light years.

For long range travel, all Capsule Corporation Ships (with the exception of the production short-range fighters) are equipped with Hyperdrives. Hyperspace ((this is the Star Wars type hyperspace I am speaking of)) is a plane of easy movement that exists slightly beneath normalspace. Propells you at high speeds through a "tunnel" of hyperspace you create with energy in your ship... the better the hyperdrive the faster it goes. Hyperdrive Multipliers is a scale relative to the average corvette... usually fighters can make a coefficient of 1, hot rods can make .5, and big capital ships can make around 6... Hyperdrive Multiplier=x1 = roughly 1,000,000c/1... as a simple rule, just divide 10^6c by the multiplier number. Also, another note on the fold drive is that when it folds, a "bubble" surrounds the ship, and anything in that bubble gets sucked into the fold with it.

And finally, for communication, Subspace Transceivers allow a ship to transmitt a message through subspace, an actual plane of existance completely beneath realspace. Lightspeed is almost instantaneous here, and thus, transmissions can be almost instantaneous. The average heavy Subspace Tranmsceiver has an active range of about 5,000 light years.

Recently out of the research (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=84189&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=) stage is a mixture of the Hyperdrive and the Space Fold Drive, called the Cascading Hyperspace Fold Drive. This system is being installed on every FoldShip, and will allow mini fold jumps INSIDE hyperspace, allowing very rapid travel for FoldShips at about 10 Million C (1200 ly/hour) relative to realspace.

While I do consider Xanthal's 5 Billion C FTL wanking, I'd say 1-10 Million C is pretty normal for advanced interstellar nations...

But that's after years and years of research...

120,000,000 km per second is quite the wank from a science point of view, and using Star Trek to justify that doesn't help as ST tends to, well, wank.

And think about it. If things can go that fast, how come in the entire history of NS, no one has ever crashed into NS earth, and blown everyone's nations (and the continents and crust and everything) up with the kinetic energy? Is it because every FTL nation has just never had terrorists or other motive for doing so, or because most NS players would ignore it even if they did?

I am thinking the latter, and rightfully so.

If you accept that things can move that fast, then there is really nothing to prevent you (or me or anyone) from literally destroying NS earth in less than a second. I don't expect everyone to go the "hard sci fi" route, but really, when did it become so pertinent to everyone's storyline that they had to be able to travel instantaneous-uberly? And when did everyone start acquiring galactic empires? Sheesh, doesn't anyone just wanna play NATIONstates anymore?

/rantWrong. No FTL drive I ever heard of runs through normal space. If any FTL drive DID run in normal space, i would probably ignore it, but since it doesn't, then I'll let it go, as long as they have a secent IC science to it. No one could run into a planet at FTL because they don't exist on the same planes.

FTLs MUST run in parallel dimensions like hyperspace or subspace et cetera because it is IMPOSSIBLE to do so in realspace.

This thread should be locked, Foe Hammer, dont go starting threads attacking other peoples RP styles. You just end up using up server space which could be used for other things. Not to mention this is trashing one player which is rather unfair to that player no matter who they are. So if you dont like it, then fine, dont RP with Xanthal. Other people will however RP with Xanthal.

This thread should be locked, Foe Hammer, dont go starting threads attacking other peoples RP styles. You just end up using up server space which could be used for other things. Not to mention this is trashing one player which is rather unfair to that player no matter who they are. So if you dont like it, then fine, dont RP with Xanthal. Other people will however RP with Xanthal.Agreed. This RPG is VERY freeform, and getting after someone because they play differently is gay. So just ignore them if you don't wanna RP with them.

Insert really excellent points from the post above that would take to much space to actually quote.

Good points, there is no mistaking that. It's true that most people would ignore that sort of thing.

What I'm trying to say is that they really couldn't crash into earth traveling at 5 bajillion times the speed of light. The most readily accepted way to travel anywhere near that fast is to be in an alternate dimension, or... hyperspace for a lack of a better word. You can't really crash into earth because you are on a different plane of whatever. I'm no scientist, and quite frankly none of the uber tech speed devices work on a scientifically proven foundation.

I digress, since you are in hyperspace you aren't traveling at the speed of light, you're just covering less... ground. Once you phase, or warp, or whatever back into realspace you are again forced to obey the laws of things. You aren't going faster than the speed of light in realspace. It probably doesn't make sense, but that’s the best I can explain it.

But essentially you are right, the point is to not have all this uber tech, the point is to play the game.

...getting after someone because they play differently is gay.

It's attracted to other 'getting after someone because they play differentlys'?

Actualy, we really don;t have to worry about some one hitting the NS earth when going FTL, you see, the earths' gravitational feild would rip the ship or object into pieces before you even got close to the earth itself. And then, remember, the faster you are going, the more friction there is, thus your ship (now broken up into sub atomic pieces) will burn up.

So actualy, unlesss your ship had 5 km thick armor, and was the size of the moon, I would IGNORE it on the principle of the matter.

This thread should be locked, Foe Hammer, dont go starting threads attacking other peoples RP styles. You just end up using up server space which could be used for other things. Not to mention this is trashing one player which is rather unfair to that player no matter who they are. So if you dont like it, then fine, dont RP with Xanthal. Other people will however RP with Xanthal.

I'm not attacking anybody, I'm just asking people if I'm godmodding so Xanthal or I don't get in trouble for using possibly the most wanky thing ever.

And I'm not trashing him, I'm asking if such speeds are possible.