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Exiled Aerion Nobles Cry Out for International Aid in Aerion

Aerion
26-12-2003, 09:26
Exiled Aerion Nobles Cry for International Aide in Aerion

A small group of twenty nobles, part of Aerion's old nobility who had escaped the purge of the Aeiron nobility by the Divine Emperor, have prepared to make a statement for the people of Aerion. The highest noble among them, Count Aero Laur, read this statement to the press:

"The nation of Aerion has been taken over by a ruthless regime, under this falsely self-proclaimed Divine Emperor. This Divine Emperor never was, and never will be of the true Royal Aerion Blood. He has no claim to the Throne of Aerion, or to govern the people of Aerion. He is a dangerous man, and we feel one that has suppressed the Aerion people. We receive hundreds of communications from people in Aerion telling of the terrible atrocities, and human rights violations the Divine Emperor commits. We wish to know why the international community has ignored Aerion, and its people. The Aerion people need you at this time more than any other to come out from under this terrible dictator."

(Posts from before this:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=108049
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107760>
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=104087&highlight=>
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=103565&highlight=>
Aerion
29-12-2003, 08:33
The exiled nobles have united with further nobles from Aerion to continue their plead for help, many individually traveling through nations that allow them, attempting to meet with foreign governments that may give aide. They are slowly forming an official "government-in-exile".
Aerion
29-12-2003, 12:22
It is reported five of the twenty exiles have been kidnapped or assassinated by supposed agents of the Divine Empire. They fear for their lives, and they still plead with various nations to help topple this Divine Emperor, and the hidden anonymous Veiled Council of Thirteen somehow.
Menelmacar
29-12-2003, 13:02
The exiled nobles, and anyone else fleeing Aerion, are welcome to stay in Menelmacar.

As for the so-called Divine Emperor, we'll consider toppling him, provided whatever regime replaces him actually lasts more than a week. ;)

~Siri
Aerion
29-12-2003, 13:06
We have information that there are some members of the Royal Family still in hiding in Aerion, or with hidden identities. We would like to bring the Royal Family of Aerion back into power, as the rightful Royal Blood. Bloodline is very important to the people of Aerion, and many would acknowledge an authenic heir of the Royal Blood.

Count Aero Laur
Noble-in-Exile of Aerion
Drakonian Imperium
29-12-2003, 14:48
The Drakonian Imperium is willing to take the plight of the Aerionian people to the United Emirates (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=78302). With their help, we are sure the Aerionian people can someday enjoy freedom again.

Unfortunately, Drakonia is seriously busy working to restore order in the Fyreheart/Ferrussian War and to wrap up negotiations between itself and the Federated Klatchian Coast, but the Imperium will bring this to the attention of it's allies and make every effort to assist in the liberation of the oppressed Aerionian people.

Drakonian Diplomatic Corps.
located in Drako Throne,
capital of the Grand Dominion of Drakonian Imperium
29-12-2003, 19:28
Offical Statement from Her Holiness, Divine Empress Mao Seia Tu-me I, Queen of Heaven, the Eternal Dragon-Star of Perfect China and ruler of the Eastern-Asian Imperium of Perfect China

As the Goddess in physical form upon this Earth I will say this to the former nobles of Aerion. You have rejected the light of a fellow deity in the Heavens, both on this Earth and in the Afterlife you shall suffer for all eternity for your betrayal of the Glory of Divinity. Your time is numbered as you shall soon feel the whip of Divine Justice.


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Divine Empress Mao Seia Tu-me I
The Eastern-Asian Imperium of Perfect China
Vrak
30-12-2003, 07:53
To: Aerion Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: offers of "liberation"

We strongly urge caution on the part of the nation of Aerion should they accept the so-called "liberating" hand from the Drakonian Imperium. They launched an ICBM at the nation of Al Anbar in that war of "liberation". We can provide evidence to back up that claim should you so desire.
Aerion
31-12-2003, 04:58
We are not sure we wish for help from the Drakonian Imperium due to recent events. However, we require the help of the international community in some form, to dethrone the False Emperor. We are still searching for a person of the Royal Blood, though we will find them. The true King will be placed upon the Royal Throne of Aerion once again. We will see to that.

Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobility
Galdania
31-12-2003, 05:15
We would like to see a communist government established in your nation.

We offer to reseat your nobility, but they would be only figureheads in a Communist State, such as Galdania.
Vrak
31-12-2003, 07:26
We are not sure we wish for help from the Drakonian Imperium due to recent events. However, we require the help of the international community in some form, to dethrone the False Emperor. We are still searching for a person of the Royal Blood, though we will find them. The true King will be placed upon the Royal Throne of Aerion once again. We will see to that.

Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobility

To: Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobility
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: refuge

Should you or any other members of your nobility need refuge, you may stay in Vrak. As well, we applaud your wise decision regarding the Drakonian Imperium. They are not to be trusted.
Austar Union
31-12-2003, 07:29
All refugees will be provided for by the Nationstates Red Cross, and will be able to stay on a small island 10km off shore.
Aerion
31-12-2003, 07:35
We were able to transfer some of our wealth from Aerion before we left, and therefore possess quiet a bit of wealth. Currently, most of us are traveling around staying at luxury hotels, however we may wish to purchase luxury homes somewhere in one of your nations.


Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobility
31-12-2003, 07:42
Tremalkier will consider liberatering your nation. As a nation that has had a couple of false emperors take the throne, and despoil the title of Kaiser of Tremalkier, we know the pain and suffering that can be caused. For the right deal following your liberation, we will take a heavy hand to free your people, but we would expect that at very least the Tremalkien Royal Family become a seated Noble family in Aerion.

For further communications, wire us what you want. Tremalkier shall flay the very skin off of your false emperor when he rests in our hands.
31-12-2003, 07:46
Gladaina, you should not push your communist ideas on other nations. Communism is evil and must be stamped out.
Austar Union
31-12-2003, 07:49
Gladaina, you should not push your communist ideas on other nations. Communism is evil and must be stamped out.

As if he's going to agree...
31-12-2003, 07:50
Welllllll, I should hope not.
Aerion
31-12-2003, 07:51
We do not want any one to go to war for us against the Divine Emperor without our permission, as we wish to wait until the appropriate time. We have agents working within the Divine Emperor's government. He knows they are there, but does not know whom they are.....

Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion N
Vrak
31-12-2003, 08:09
We were able to transfer some of our wealth from Aerion before we left, and therefore possess quiet a bit of wealth. Currently, most of us are traveling around staying at luxury hotels, however we may wish to purchase luxury homes somewhere in one of your nations.


Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobility

To: Count Aero Laur
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: purchasing homes

Very well. Contact this office and suitable arrangements can be made.
Aerion
31-12-2003, 09:24
How dare any one in the international community listen to the pleadings of the displaced nobility, who themselves oppressed the people of Aerion for hundreds of years. For the history of Aerion, those in positions of power for no reason less than bloodline have governed the people of Aerion. You have never heard anyone speak "For the people", but rather for the nobility of Aerion. We have never, as a people, been able to make decisions. It has always been up to a ruling class of nobility. The people of Aerion are sick of this, the workers are slaved, and it is wrong. I plead with you not to listen to these sick nobles who only want to once again live in constant pleasure while the average man supports them, the Divine Emperor is worse for the people of Aerion, and is oppressive. However, these nobles are no better. Let us truly have what the working class deserves, what the majority of the people of Aerion deserve. Communism is the way

Utwei Tworan
Chairman of the Aerion Communist-Revolutionary Party (ACRP)
Aerion
31-12-2003, 13:10
Do not listen to this ignorant man, obviously he does not know what is right for the Aerion people. The nobility have governed the Aerion people for hundreds of years, how dare he try to disgrace the nobility by saying we have never governed properly. We are bred to govern, are trained in the finest schools on all the fine points of politics. Obviously he wants to sit up a government by those who are ignorant, and in power.

Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobility
Drakonian Imperium
31-12-2003, 14:56
The Imperium would like to point out that the use of ICBM was entirely tactical and without the use of any type of Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD) such as Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical (NBC) Warheads. The two ICBMs in question were used as a delivery method for Conventional Weapons (Cruise Missiles in this case). The two ICBMs simply deployed their Cruise Missiles and then burned up in the upper atmosphere. The Cruise Missiles then proceeded to their targets of corrupt and oppressive Ba'athists Military Forces in Syria.

If you like the incident in question is well documented and we have inclosed all the information you need to review the incident: The Al Anbar Conflict (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85060) (Including a abbridge version of the Crimes of Al Anbar's Leader, the imfamous and evil Saddam Hussein)
The ICBM Incident (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2098299#2098299), in Question
Incidents Proceeding the Al Anbar Conflict (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82837) (Including Documentation on the Reason for the Conflict)Drakonia would also like to note, that it does not believe in the use of WMD and has therefore destroyed any it once had. It has been years since Drakonia built any or had any WMD, and we are willing to submit to thorough international inspection as proof of our claims. The Imperium is strongly anti-WMD, and currently organizing a conference to establish a permament NBC disarmament of as many nations as are willing to sign the treaty that conference will establish.

Drakonia would like to point out that Vrak is a member of a federation of nations, the Federated Klatchian Coast (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_federated_klatchian_coast) (FKC), which launched over 200 Nuclear-Armed ICBMs at Drakonia, in response to the attack on the regime of Al Anbar. Fortunately, all but three of those missiles were destroyed. Of the three, two landed in heavily populated cities, killing over a million Drakonian citizens. The remaining missile landed in the Carribean Sea causing massive economic damage, which Drakonia is currently attempting to heal. (More information available, here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93916).)

Drakonia has shown extreme restraint in it's dealings with the FKC and stalled full-scale war with them to allow negotiations (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94668) to solve their crimes. Those negotiations are progressing promisingly, after much trouble, and it seems likely that a peaceful aggrement will be reach shortly.

The Imperium would also like it noted, that it goes to great lengths to ensure civilian safety. For instance, in Al Anbar Drakonian Military Police have been put in extreme danger and actually seen combat while evacuating civilians from combat zone that the Al Anbar government would not. Many have died in such case, saving civilian lives.

If the Imperium need to further prove it's intents it can present character witnesses to our intentions.

Drakonian Diplomatic Corps.
located in Drako Throne,
capital of the Grand Dominion of Drakonian Imperium
Aerion
31-12-2003, 15:05
To Drakonian Imperium

Very well, we will considering accepting Aerion aide. We have agents currently working within the False Emperor's government which may make crucial strikes, though we cannot give details, these may open a window of opportunity for the government to return to the Crown once we are able to find the Royal Heir.


Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobles

==============================================
How DARE you even support the nobles, and dare offer your support to bring oppressive aristocrats back over the Aerion people. It is time for the oppressive rule of the elite to end, and the rule of the people to begin. We are for the labourer, the common man. We have thousands of communist cells throughout Aerion right now, ready to incite the populous to save themselves. We will also use this window of opportunity, mark my words, the people's voice will be heard! Never again will the noble class rule Aerion or any wealthy elite!


Utwei Tworan
Chairman of the Aerion Communist-Revolutionary Party (ACRP)
31-12-2003, 15:09
High-Encrypted Secret Message to the Divine Emperor

I offer a formal apology on the behalf of my (dead) grandmother, Madame Mao Jiang Chiang who funded and created the Communist Party in Aerion in an attempt to create a puppet communist state. Though this Communist Party has not gained PC support for close to 14 years I offer both the apology of Perfect China and this, it is the most resent Aerion Party Dossier that is in Perfect China possession, it is five years old but the I do not doubt that it will help you in crushing Communism.


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Divine Empress Mao Seia Tu-me I
The Eastern-Asian Imperium of Perfect China
Drakonian Imperium
31-12-2003, 15:16
Top Secret Communiqué

[Channel: Open - Transmitting]
[Encryption: Active - Polymorphic]

TO: Utwei Tworan, Chairman of the Aerion Communist-Revolutionary Party
FROM: Drakonian Diplomatic Corps.
SUBJECT: Interest of the People

Drakonia's interests is mainly in that of the suffering people of Aerion. We have simple replied to the nobles of Aerion as they are the ones that brought the plight of the suffering people of Aerion to our attention. We wish only for them to enjoy freedom, democracy, and an end to their suffering.

[Encryption: Deactivated]
[Channel: Closed]
Vrak
31-12-2003, 19:01
The Imperium would like to point out that the use of ICBM was entirely tactical and without the use of any type of Weapon of Mass Destruction (WMD) such as Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical (NBC) Warheads. The two ICBMs in question were used as a delivery method for Conventional Weapons (Cruise Missiles in this case). The two ICBMs simply deployed their Cruise Missiles and then burned up in the upper atmosphere. The Cruise Missiles then proceeded to their targets of corrupt and oppressive Ba'athists Military Forces in Syria.

If you like the incident in question is well documented and we have inclosed all the information you need to review the incident: The Al Anbar Conflict (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=85060) (Including a abbridge version of the Crimes of Al Anbar's Leader, the imfamous and evil Saddam Hussein)
The ICBM Incident (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2098299#2098299), in Question
Incidents Proceeding the Al Anbar Conflict (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82837) (Including Documentation on the Reason for the Conflict)Drakonia would also like to note, that it does not believe in the use of WMD and has therefore destroyed any it once had. It has been years since Drakonia built any or had any WMD, and we are willing to submit to thorough international inspection as proof of our claims. The Imperium is strongly anti-WMD, and currently organizing a conference to establish a permament NBC disarmament of as many nations as are willing to sign the treaty that conference will establish.

Drakonia would like to point out that Vrak is a member of a federation of nations, the Federated Klatchian Coast (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=the_federated_klatchian_coast) (FKC), which launched over 200 Nuclear-Armed ICBMs at Drakonia, in response to the attack on the regime of Al Anbar. Fortunately, all but three of those missiles were destroyed. Of the three, two landed in heavily populated cities, killing over a million Drakonian citizens. The remaining missile landed in the Carribean Sea causing massive economic damage, which Drakonia is currently attempting to heal. (More information available, here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93916).)

Drakonia has shown extreme restraint in it's dealings with the FKC and stalled full-scale war with them to allow negotiations (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=94668) to solve their crimes. Those negotiations are progressing promisingly, after much trouble, and it seems likely that a peaceful aggrement will be reach shortly.

The Imperium would also like it noted, that it goes to great lengths to ensure civilian safety. For instance, in Al Anbar Drakonian Military Police have been put in extreme danger and actually seen combat while evacuating civilians from combat zone that the Al Anbar government would not. Many have died in such case, saving civilian lives.

If the Imperium need to further prove it's intents it can present character witnesses to our intentions.

Drakonian Diplomatic Corps.
located in Drako Throne,
capital of the Grand Dominion of Drakonian Imperium

To: Drakonian Diplomatic Corps
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: ICBMs

It still does not change that fact that you launched ICBMs first at a nation (Al Anbar) that has no defense for such a weapon. As well, rational people believe that an ICBM launch at their nation is most likely carrying a WMD payload - and in most cases a nuclear one. That is how many people perceive an ICBM thundering towards their nation. Your attempts to rationalize your dangerous behaviour is frankly astounding.

As well, you clearly demonstrated the "guilt by association" logical fallacy. In other words, you are judging Vrak by reputation, not by deed.

Finally, there is a very good reason why the Drakonian Imperium is showing great restraint. According to the last UN rankings, your #1 UE nation was ranked #1927 for largest defense force per capita - placing it at #4 within the FKC. Your own ranking of #4086 would be at #6. Vrak was #2 - at #955. In other words, our defense spending per capita exceeds your nation by at least four times.

====

To: Count Aero Laur
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: the Imperium

Again, we caution you in accepting help from the Imperium. For all you know, they may set themselves up to be the new tyrants of your land. As well, they have a nasty habit of committing logical fallacies. We offer refuge to your nobles within the safety of Vrak.

edit: minor ranking correction.
Galdania
31-12-2003, 21:09
Galdania vows to aid the ACRP in the event of a revolution.
Drakonian Imperium
01-01-2004, 15:28
The Imperium again finds Vrak's statements laughable. The fact that Al Anbar had "no defense for such a weapon" as our ICBM deployed Cruise Missiles is of no importance. It should be noted that Al Anbar "has no defense for such a weapon" as our ship or bomber deployed Cruise Missiles, either. This does not stop are use of such a conventional weapon and in fact it increases that use. Al Anbar also has "no defense for such a weapon" as our own Mammoth Tanks.

The Imperium also would like it known that notable members of the Klatchian Federation have not shown themselves to be "rational people." Their quick trigger fingers on weapons that are designed to be used against innocent civilians (nuclear weapons in this case) and the incident involving the stealth bombers attacking the Drakonian flagship with Roast Goose and White Flags during the unofficial cease fire, are both examples of said irrationality in Klatch.

Drakonia is also not judging Vrak by it's reputation. It should be noted that up until the nuclear attacks Drakonia held Vrak in high regard and that nations reputation in Drakonia was good. That changed with the nuclear attacks. Vrak is part of a nation (the Federated Klatchian Coast) which harbors murders and maniacs. Drakonia will not and cannot respect that. Therefore we do judge Vrak by it's "association" as being part of the the Federated Klatchian Coast.

In closing, Drakonians restraint was not due to size of the Vrakian army. We do not fear those we do not respect. The Imperium was willing and very close to fighting to "the last man." Not just for revenge, not just for respect, but to ensure safety from Klatch's trigger-happy nuclear arsenal. We would and still will (if negotiations fail), fight to our deaths for our morals and for our ideals, without a second thought. We fight for what we believe in, something we do not think we can say about the Klatchians.

Drakonian Diplomatic Corps.
located in Drako Throne,
capital of the Grand Dominion of Drakonian Imperium
Andaman and Nicobar
01-01-2004, 20:09
Mr.Giles would like to take a moment to scoff at Vrak's assertion that its military spending exceeds that of Drakonia by more than four fold. The logic used to reach this conclusion only adds to the building mountain of comic acts in ISAN dedicated to highlighting the poor quality of schooling in Vrak.

(True, four thousand is a sum four times greater than one thousand, but.. erm.. well just try to apply that fact to the situation..)
Vrak
02-01-2004, 08:49
To: Drakonia Diplomatic Corps
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps

The Imperium again finds Vrak's statements laughable. The fact that Al Anbar had "no defense for such a weapon" as our ICBM deployed Cruise Missiles is of no importance. It should be noted that Al Anbar "has no defense for such a weapon" as our ship or bomber deployed Cruise Missiles, either. This does not stop are use of such a conventional weapon and in fact it increases that use. Al Anbar also has "no defense for such a weapon" as our own Mammoth Tanks.

Please do not equate cruise missles, tanks, and ICBMs as being the same weapon. Obviously different weapons have different defenses. The fact is that many nations perceive an ICBM heading towards their nation as carrying a WMD payload – most likely a nuclear warhead. You seem to be the only nation that can’t understand this simple reality and quite frankly, your reputation for being a nation of pakrahs is being confirmed every day.

Drakonia is also not judging Vrak by it's reputation. It should be noted that up until the nuclear attacks Drakonia held Vrak in high regard and that nations reputation in Drakonia was good. That changed with the nuclear attacks. Vrak is part of a nation (the Federated Klatchian Coast) which harbors murders and maniacs. Drakonia will not and cannot respect that. Therefore we do judge Vrak by it's "association" as being part of the the Federated Klatchian Coast.

You contradict yourself. First you say you are not judging us by reputation and then you say you are. Please, get your story straight. Again, if you judge us by association – then you are committing the fallacy of “guilty by association”.

In closing, Drakonians restraint was not due to size of the Vrakian army. We do not fear those we do not respect. The Imperium was willing and very close to fighting to "the last man." Not just for revenge, not just for respect, but to ensure safety from Klatch's trigger-happy nuclear arsenal. We would and still will (if negotiations fail), fight to our deaths for our morals and for our ideals, without a second thought. We fight for what we believe in, something we do not think we can say about the Klatchians.

Spare us your threats and your lofty ideals. You are a nation full of pakrahs.

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To: Mr “Yes-man-I-clean-the-Praetor’s-boots-myself” Giles
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps

Mr.Giles would like to take a moment to scoff at Vrak's assertion that its military spending exceeds that of Drakonia by more than four fold. The logic used to reach this conclusion only adds to the building mountain of comic acts in ISAN dedicated to highlighting the poor quality of schooling in Vrak.

It would seem that Mr. Giles, who most likely is a “yes man” of the pakrah Praetor, showed the world how stupid he is. We shall walk you through basic arithmetic.

The Glorious Kingdom of Vrak: ranked #955 for largest defense force per capita
The Pakrah nation called the Drakonian Imperium: ranked #4086 for largest defense force per capita.

4086/955= 4.27

It would seem that Vrak’s defense force per capita exceeds the pakrah nation by four times. What part of this does Mr. Giles not understand? We certainly are not going to release our military budget for you to see. However, we have 500 million more people that the pakrahs and our economic might has been maintained at this level for a long time. Other indicators prove that we are an economic and military power to be reckoned with.

OOC: Again, I’m basing it purely on the UN rankings. The per capita ranking does indicate the amount of militarism found within the society. I haven’t crunched the numbers for Vrak, but the link below will give you an idea of what I’m driving at.

http://www.freewebs.com/theentirestates/militarism.htm
Glorious Humanity
02-01-2004, 10:15
The Federation of Glorious Humanity would like to know more about this, and if possible meet with some of the exiled nobles. We never turn a deaf ear to a cry for help, and we would like to know more about this situation.

Mark Albert
President
Federation of Glorious Humanity
Vrak
02-01-2004, 12:02
OOC: GH, check your telegrams please.
Vrak
02-01-2004, 14:01
OOC: the player behind Drakonia and myself have come to an understanding so we would both ask that all of you cease your speculating.
Andaman and Nicobar
02-01-2004, 15:38
Mr.Giles Yes-Man Mr.Kumble replies to the VDC.

What Mr.Giles is correctly pointing out is that Vrak may be three thousand places above Drakonia in the UN ranking in question, but those three thousand places may be accounted for by any amount of spending from one cent to forty trillion dollars. In truth there is no proof in the given evidence that Vrakish spending exceeds Drakonian at all. They may be precisely level and ranked above one another merely because one has to be listed above the other.

Exempli gratia; consider for a moment that Vrakish military spending should in a given year come to one trillion US dollars. Now consider that there are a thousand other nations spending as much in that year. Perhaps Vrak is listed right in the middle of those. There are some five hundred nations below Vrak also spending one trillion US dollars that year. The next thousand spend nine hundred and eighty billion US dollars. By the time we reach the 4,086th nation we see that as it happens military spending has fallen to nine hundred billion US dollars in the given year. In this example Vrakish spending is 10% higher than Drakonian rather than 400% higher, so says an equation made with the same evidence.


(Don't take offence, but he's right, isn't he? ;) Apologies for the tangent.)
Vrak
02-01-2004, 17:32
Mr.Giles Yes-Man Mr.Kumble replies to the VDC.

What Mr.Giles is correctly pointing out is that Vrak may be three thousand places above Drakonia in the UN ranking in question, but those three thousand places may be accounted for by any amount of spending from one cent to forty trillion dollars. In truth there is no proof in the given evidence that Vrakish spending exceeds Drakonian at all. They may be precisely level and ranked above one another merely because one has to be listed above the other.

Exempli gratia; consider for a moment that Vrakish military spending should in a given year come to one trillion US dollars. Now consider that there are a thousand other nations spending as much in that year. Perhaps Vrak is listed right in the middle of those. There are some five hundred nations below Vrak also spending one trillion US dollars that year. The next thousand spend nine hundred and eighty billion US dollars. By the time we reach the 4,086th nation we see that as it happens military spending has fallen to nine hundred billion US dollars in the given year. In this example Vrakish spending is 10% higher than Drakonian rather than 400% higher, so says an equation made with the same evidence.


(Don't take offence, but he's right, isn't he? ;) Apologies for the tangent.)

OOC: Basically, yes. According to the link, it depends on what column a person uses to generate the "per capita" for "Largest defense force per capita". Does it mean troops or expenditures? I take it to mean money spent by the government - so hence I used the Military Budget/capita.

Look at Israel. It has a military budget/capita of 1467. Massive, but then again, it's population is a nudge over 6 million. So while it does have a strong (not in the NS sense) economy, it's a bit easier for them to pour boatloads into their military since they are small. Basically, it would be very, very hard for Vrak to equal that feat compared to Drakonia. Vrak is only 500 million more people and both nations have very strong economies.

Really, I don't know how NS gets these figures, but it does serve as a useful tool for bragging. But if both countries use the same calculator (Frightening = 35 000/annum) and release how big their military budgets are, then that would be a much better indicator in terms of expenditures.
Andaman and Nicobar
02-01-2004, 18:05
ooc: Not that it really matters, but I consider a lasting Frightening economy to produce somewhere around $50,000 per capita in annual GDP- after all, the USA is hardly a benchmark; Luxembourg's annual per capita GDP is well over $40,000, and ISAN isn't about to be out-competed by them, nor by the US or Bermuda. I think Clan Smoke Jaguar put out a fairly realistic chart for those of us inclined to mess about with statistics and graphs and such :oops:

(Hey, I notice little ISAN, even smaller than Drakonia, just outcompeted Klatchian nations 400 million and such larger than itself. I'll spare you further emoticons..)
Vrak
04-01-2004, 01:16
ooc: Not that it really matters, but I consider a lasting Frightening economy to produce somewhere around $50,000 per capita in annual GDP- after all, the USA is hardly a benchmark; Luxembourg's annual per capita GDP is well over $40,000, and ISAN isn't about to be out-competed by them, nor by the US or Bermuda. I think Clan Smoke Jaguar put out a fairly realistic chart for those of us inclined to mess about with statistics and graphs and such :oops:

(Hey, I notice little ISAN, even smaller than Drakonia, just outcompeted Klatchian nations 400 million and such larger than itself. I'll spare you further emoticons..)

I never did consider the US, on a per capita basis, to be the largest. Do you have a link for that chart that CSJ put out?
Andaman and Nicobar
04-01-2004, 18:21
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102191&highlight=

In the middle of the first post there's a nice list that quite effectively links RL nations to NS economic rankings and gives a range in each economic ranking, so that not every nation with a "good" economy has exactly the same per capita GDP.
Aerion
05-01-2004, 09:24
While nations squabble, the Aerion people are suffering under an dictatorial regime. This regime is now in the form of the Prelacy, headed by the High Prelate. They have claimed to have had elections, but the truth is that they have had no elections. The Prelacy is a self-perpetuating body. They say the "Divine Emperor" is gone, we are unsure of his location ourselves. The Veiled Council of Thirteen may have some influence over the Prelacy, though we lack intelligence reports here too. We have cried out for international aid for the people of Aerion. To restore the power, and sovereignty of the Crown. One of the Royal Blood of Aerion must sit upon the Royal Throne. It is only right for the Aerion people.

Count Aero Laur
Noble-In-Exile of Aerion
Speaker of the Exiled Aerion Nobility
Vrak
05-01-2004, 09:38
OOC: Sorry about the OOC B.S. earlier Aerion. As well, if you have some kind of nobles running around Vrak RP cooking, then just send me a telegram.

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ENCRYPTED - MAX - International route: Count Aero Laur - route complete
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To: Count Aero Laur
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: refuge

We again reiterate our offer of refuge for your nobles and their kin. While we cannot intervene at this moment, we do feel that we can offer you a high degree of security within our borders.
Aerion
05-01-2004, 10:19
The nobles will never be in power of Aerion again. Communism has secretly grown in popularity, and despite the feeble attempts of this regime to appease the people with some rights granted it will rise within Aerion. Communism grows across the country, massive networks of covert cells. We will launch the Great Revolution, and nothing will stop us!

Utwei Tworan
Chairman of the Aerion Communist-Revolutionary Party (ACRP)