NationStates Jolt Archive


Healthcare vs. Actual Health

The Most Glorious Hack
25-12-2003, 13:39
Now this is interesting.

The Most Glorious Hack is ranked 3rd in the region and 102,400th in the world for Most Comprehensive Public Healthcare.

The Most Glorious Hack is ranked 1st in the region and 1,485th in the world for Healthiest Nations.

Again I say, down with socialized medicine!
Santa Barbara
25-12-2003, 17:37
Indeed.

Santa Barbara was 96,486th in the world for public healthcare, and is 92nd in the world for healthiest nations.
Soviet Haaregrad
25-12-2003, 18:35
That's all fine and nice I'm in the 14 000s for heathiest and 80 000s for health care spending, but I know I'm still going to raise funding for healthcare. Poor people shouldn't have to go into debt to see a doctor.
Dra-pol
25-12-2003, 18:39
Funny things happen to statistics when no one stays both sick and alive for more than a week.





I'd imagine.
Goobergunchia
25-12-2003, 19:35
Goobergunchia is ranked 2nd in the region and 3,474th in the world for Healthiest Nations.

Goobergunchia is ranked 1st in the region and 1,042th in the world for Most Comprehensive Public Healthcare.

Proving that at least in Goobergunchia, socialized medicine is successful.

Tommy Dohnis
Minister of Health and Welfare
Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia
Eredron
25-12-2003, 19:40
Now this is interesting.

The Most Glorious Hack is ranked 3rd in the region and 102,400th in the world for Most Comprehensive Public Healthcare.

The Most Glorious Hack is ranked 1st in the region and 1,485th in the world for Healthiest Nations.

Again I say, down with socialized medicine!

Classic!


Consul Supreme McCallister
Head of State, Dominion and Principalities of Eredron
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Lagrange 4
25-12-2003, 23:18
The rankings you posted are meaningless if we don't know what exactly is evaluated. What is a "healthy" citizen and how does one gauge it? What exactly constitutes healthcare spending? My citizens are healthier than public spending would suggest at first, but a lot of our tax joules are spent preventing illnesses so that the healthcare sector never deals with them.
These are no simple issues.
Eliga Nipal
26-12-2003, 01:00
Healthcare and Health are not absolutely interlinked. A citizen may get no healthcare at but be lucky enough to stay healthy (no polution, no biochemical contaminants in drinkwater, luck...). While in highly industrialized nations who are rich and give plenty of healthcare their citizens still die young, maybe due to illnesses caused by pollution or other reasons such as bad eatinghabbits, etc....

If you spend alot on healthcare and your people do not get healthy at all, you should look at other causes instead of keeping investing in more, maybe ineffective,medicin or other treatments.

Dr. Landenkalt, Department of Medicine, Imperial University of Eliga Nipal
The Most Glorious Hack
26-12-2003, 10:15
Healthiest is, according to the UN: "A measure of the general health of an average citizen in each nation."

Comprehensive Health Care, was how much of the nation's taxes went to providing health care to the people. Judging by my ranking, very little is, most is paid through privite coverage, or out of pocket.

The way I see it, either my people are damnably healthy, or don't need to leech off of the government. Considering my 0% income tax rate, I'm guessing its a healthy (HA!) combination of the two.

However, it seems painfully obvious that increasing public funding of healthcare would have minimal results.
Walmington on Sea
26-12-2003, 11:41
Well yeah.. your people lead healthy lifestyles and so you need not spending money treating their ills. In Walmington on Sea people live primarily off grease and ale, and as such can expect to die by fifty after several expensive and hamfisted attempts at open heart surgery.
Santa Barbara
26-12-2003, 17:32
And yet, they almost certainly don't lead healthy lifestyles in Santa Barbara. Besides the air in most of the cities being quite toxic, there's the fact that there is no health regulations on products, and no legal recourse for, say, health problems caused by chemical additives. Meaning the only thing that counts is what sells, and while "healthy" is a good market campaign, as with RL, most "health foods" really aren't.

Plus, going to a public hospital, or having an accident and being poor, is very bad for your health. Most public doctors specialize in taking your organs and tissues, selling them, and disposing your body. Hell, a lot of private ones too.

I guess Dra-pol's analysis makes the most sense. No one stays sick very long, so at any given moment most people are either healthy or dead.