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OOC: what the topic says. Im thinking about making an aresol version of LSD to spray over enemy cities as a chemical weapon. So does anyone know if its possible?

I'm not sure about in its natural state, but I have heard of using virus "shells" to disprise nearly any virus by air. Pricy, but effective.

America tried this in the 1950's and 60's, figured it'd be a good weapon to use on enemy troops on the front lines by spraying it with an aircraft. It never worked out though and the idea was scrapped.

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Do you seriously need more weapons? Don't you just carpet nuke all your enemies anyway? I mean, you probably don't even need an army with all your nukes.

This probably still won't affect whether or not I'll ever RP with you again ;)

Well, it's fairly simple to stop the effects of LSD cold. What is it, lithium I think does it? Plus, it's unlikely to turn the population into a bunch of raving lunatics ripe for conquest. They'd just come out of it with a bunch of strange crayon drawings and having eaten the crayons.

Plus, if you're going to spray chemicals on people, it's more cost effective to use ones that kill them, that way they don't start quoting Timothy Leary at you in retaliation.

Well, it's fairly simple to stop the effects of LSD cold. What is it, lithium I think does it? Plus, it's unlikely to turn the population into a bunch of raving lunatics ripe for conquest. They'd just come out of it with a bunch of strange crayon drawings and having eaten the crayons.

Plus, if you're going to spray chemicals on people, it's more cost effective to use ones that kill them, that way they don't start quoting Timothy Leary at you in retaliation.

LSD is the one where everything turns into spiders and stuff. Also it gives you flashbacks for years to come or makes you go totatlly insane. It serves a purpose it just forces the country to have to contain alot of people.

Also Lithium has some bad side effects also I think.

It's a great tactic, but it is better to use stuff that will kill them dead.

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Well, it's fairly simple to stop the effects of LSD cold. What is it, lithium I think does it? Plus, it's unlikely to turn the population into a bunch of raving lunatics ripe for conquest. They'd just come out of it with a bunch of strange crayon drawings and having eaten the crayons.

Plus, if you're going to spray chemicals on people, it's more cost effective to use ones that kill them, that way they don't start quoting Timothy Leary at you in retaliation.

LSD is the one where everything turns into spiders and stuff. Also it gives you flashbacks for years to come or makes you go totatlly insane. It serves a purpose it just forces the country to have to contain alot of people.

Having used LSD(and knowing people who use it ALOT) it does NOT make you go insane. Additionally an acid flashback is rare and an event that one would hardly notice under any normal cirumstance. Acid would be a shitty chemical weapon. One problem with acid is alot of people mistake it's long term effects with those of PCP(angeldust). Angeldust will make people go insane(for awhile) and it builds up in ones spine, and LSD flashback is a psychological event, PCP a physical event.

So aresol of PcP would be better?

I wonder.... are there any international laws regarding narcotic/hallucinogenic warfare? Do the statutes of the Geneva Conventions pertain to such methods?

Just curious.

For better effect, mix in others.

For better effect, mix in others.

Oops. That was me.

I wonder.... are there any international laws regarding narcotic/hallucinogenic warfare? Do the statutes of the Geneva Conventions pertain to such methods?

Just curious.

Belem is not part of the geneva connection.

What SH said. And, I do not think PCP would be a good one to use on anyplace you intend to conquer... unless you like civilian resistors who can't feel pain and don't fear you (probably).

OOC: what the topic says. Im thinking about making an aresol version of LSD to spray over enemy cities as a chemical weapon. So does anyone know if its possible?

This is exactly why the government made LSD to begin with, but like someone else posted, it didn't work out.

What SH said. And, I do not think PCP would be a good one to use on anyplace you intend to conquer... unless you like civilian resistors who can't feel pain and don't fear you (probably).

Well I was hoping they would start drugged up riots kill each other then go in and clean up the mess

So aresol of PcP would be better?

PCP is a powder that requires a significant amount to get one high. The reason LSD would be effective is a dose is measured in micrograms. Using PCP would be like using cocaine, your troops would have to pour out lines and get the other guys to rail them.

After that you are going to be faced with an enemy who feels no pain, no fear, has double their normal strength, double their normal endurance, and believe they are god. Have fun fighting that, people on angeldust have taken 17 gunshots and kept walking like nothing happened.

A Skit of What Would Likely Happen

Setting: A "Heathen" City Soon After a Missile Strike

Heathen civilian: LEAVE HERE INVADERS I AM GOD I COMMAND YOU!!!
Inquisitor #1: You dare commit this blasphemy *opens fire*
*civilian is struck, keeps walking forward, armed with a baseball bat*
Heathen: ARRR!!!!!! *runs up and hits the Inquisitor in the head with the bat, collapsing his skull, chases after other inquisitors, attacking them insanely, eventually being shot apart*
Inquisitor #2: Let's umm... not fight these people, let's play cards...
Inquisitor #3: Cards? Cards are Satan talking! *shoots #2 and then gets mauled by insane civilians*

To effectively turn PCP into a chem weapon, you would have to have so much of it that it would be considered a major crop in belem ;)

grr...I have to produce some type of super LSD.

Look into DMSO combined with something like PCP, and give up on LSD. The only people who have psycotic episodes on it are people with preexisting mental abnormalities (bi-polar being the most likely to have an episode). Another problem with LSD is that it losses its strength when exposed to heat, and can easily ber counter acted by adminstering potasium (SP ?).

Buy more bullets, they are less expensive and work better.

DMSO? what exactly is that?

oh and what about Peyote? I think I spelt that wrong but thats the stuff where you forget to breath.

DMSO is a bounding agent that can be used with other chemicals to make them more likely to go intot he blood stream. Peyote would work, but it has to be injested.

oh and what about Peyote? I think I spelt that wrong but thats the stuff where you forget to breath.

You spelt it right. Peyote is a cactus, it takes 4 years to grow. The synthetic form of it is called mescaline. Mescaline takes a rather large amount(comparible to MDMA in dosage) to get one high. Additionally it only causes hallucinations, but unlike LSD the person on it knows they aren't real. It doesn't cause you to forget to breath. It's mostly used in religious ceremonies and as a mind expanding drug, it's very spiritual.

I'll help you out here, hallucinogenes are not good weapons. You might wish to try datura or belladonna however, they might be useful.

Go to www.erowid.org if you want some ideas of drugs that might work.

PS: No, mushrooms won't work either.

OOC: what the topic says. Im thinking about making an aresol version of LSD to spray over enemy cities as a chemical weapon. So does anyone know if its possible?

Ripped from: http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm
Though the most prominently discussed aspect of MKULTRA is the CIA's LSD work, the program included many other unusual investigations relating to the science of mind control. CIA researchers probed the potential of numerous parapsychological phenomena, including hypnosis, telepathy, precognition, photokinesis and "remote viewing."

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IT COULD BACKFIRE!!!
YOU COULD HAVE AN ARMY OF PSYCHO PSYCHIC SUPER SOLDIERS ON YOUR ASS! :wink:

OOC: what the topic says. Im thinking about making an aresol version of LSD to spray over enemy cities as a chemical weapon. So does anyone know if its possible?

Ripped from: http://www.parascope.com/ds/mkultra0.htm
Though the most prominently discussed aspect of MKULTRA is the CIA's LSD work, the program included many other unusual investigations relating to the science of mind control. CIA researchers probed the potential of numerous parapsychological phenomena, including hypnosis, telepathy, precognition, photokinesis and "remote viewing."

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IT COULD BACKFIRE!!!
YOU COULD HAVE AN ARMY OF PSYCHO PSYCHIC SUPER SOLDIERS ON YOUR ASS! :wink:

LOL.

I know the CIA uses LSD as a interogation device

oh and what about Peyote? I think I spelt that wrong but thats the stuff where you forget to breath.

You spelt it right. Peyote is a cactus, it takes 4 years to grow. The synthetic form of it is called mescaline. Mescaline takes a rather large amount(comparible to MDMA in dosage) to get one high. Additionally it only causes hallucinations, but unlike LSD the person on it knows they aren't real. It doesn't cause you to forget to breath. It's mostly used in religious ceremonies and as a mind expanding drug, it's very spiritual.

I'll help you out here, hallucinogenes are not good weapons. You might wish to try datura or belladonna however, they might be useful.

Go to www.erowid.org if you want some ideas of drugs that might work.

PS: No, mushrooms won't work either.

thanks

Go to www.erowid.org if you want some ideas of drugs that might work.

thanks

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Why don't you start exporting heroin to your enemies and create media campaigns to get the populace to use it? It would destroy the entire country, especially if you could get smack to the military, dig?

Why don't you start exporting heroin to your enemies and create media campaigns to get the populace to use it? It would destroy the entire country, especially if you could get smack to the military, dig?

too much work.

Actually according to an article im readingLSD was one of the most effective truth serums because it produced a nightmare trip esspically if it was given in high doses.

So if I distribute enough for a large dose over a portion of a city I can drive a small section of the population insane and just cause chaos.

How about...oh my god....USING LARGE AMOUNTS OF NERVE GAS? It either kills them or sends their system into shock, leaving them, if they wake up, crazy or crippled.

*leaves this exceptionally morbid thread, but not before nodding to Haaregard*

nerve gas has been used to death. Time for something new and exciting.

You know...I wouldn't mind if you 'attacked' me with LSD. Than you could carpet bomb me with space cake, and finish it up by shooting me with some bullets...of coke :roll:

War should always be so fun :lol:

Actually according to an article im readingLSD was one of the most effective truth serums because it produced a nightmare trip esspically if it was given in high doses.

So if I distribute enough for a large dose over a portion of a city I can drive a small section of the population insane and just cause chaos.

Only if you can make the person panic. A bad trip can be overcome like a bad dream, if you realize you are hallucinating and become lucid.

Actually according to an article im readingLSD was one of the most effective truth serums because it produced a nightmare trip esspically if it was given in high doses.

So if I distribute enough for a large dose over a portion of a city I can drive a small section of the population insane and just cause chaos.

Only if you can make the person panic. A bad trip can be overcome like a bad dream, if you realize you are hallucinating and become lucid.

Well I think if a person just started to see shapes changing and melting and random things happening out of the blue I think they would panic.

No no no, LSD as a truth serum is not effective. Too unpredictable.

There are really much better drugs to use for these sorts of things than recreational ones. Hell, if you need to, just RP the invention of a new chemical which has the results you want.

Who cares about LSD being a weapon, sell it to the youth of today :shock:

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Actually according to an article im readingLSD was one of the most effective truth serums because it produced a nightmare trip esspically if it was given in high doses.

So if I distribute enough for a large dose over a portion of a city I can drive a small section of the population insane and just cause chaos.

Only if you can make the person panic. A bad trip can be overcome like a bad dream, if you realize you are hallucinating and become lucid.

Well I think if a person just started to see shapes changing and melting and random things happening out of the blue I think they would panic.

Unless they knew something had been done to them.

hmmm.....think I must.

OK. Speaking from personal experience with LSD, taken in various forms and dosages, I can say this with the utmost conviction. The effect of LSD depends totally on the person. While it is a bit of a stretch to say that people with a bi-polar emotional disposition are going to be the first to freak out, depression provides many negative emotions for hallucinations to "feed on" if you will. LSD as a truth serum? That's a total joke. Try mass quantities of Miller Lite or Budweiser. Peroni too. That works well for me. As a first strike weapon, LSD would be worthless. If you followed firebombing a la Dresden, with LSD though, ummm. Yeah. You would have some seriously freaked out civvies.

Possible? Certainly.

Effective? Highly unlikely.

Aerosolized LSD would almost certainly be so diluted by the atmosphere as to have little to no effect more than a meter or so from the initial dispersal. Don't think about artillery shells or even rockets and missiles. Effective use of LSD as an area-effect weapon would require hundreds of liters of liquid. Even using aerial sprayers probably wouldn't get enough of the dose into the bloodstream of the target population.

TEO

Just speaking as a OCC part in this, as an adviser or what ever, surely a drug which would make people become violant and extrmely paranoid be used as a method of causing absolute chaos within a nation? Think of it, turning each person against the other in a drug induced killing frenzy! Some would become completely depressed, others would become extremely violant. The military personal if not equip correctly would go against itslef along with any citizen! Various drugs would have these effects I am sure. but the trouble is getting it to the enemy. Possibly a sobotage within the water system? Possibilties....possibilities.

Something to think about.

Does anyone remember the Simpsons where Shelbyville spiked Springfield's water supply with LSD? Also, you could try big doses of meth.

Does anyone remember the Simpsons where Shelbyville spiked Springfield's water supply with LSD? Also, you could try big doses of meth.

Methamphetimines are what the Nazis used to effectively double their manpower. Do you really wanna fight an enemy who doesn't need to eat or sleep? Not to mention the quicker reflexes, increased concentration and endurance, increased strength and agression.

Stick with nerve gas.

People wouldn't do drugs if they weren't relatively safe.

Does anyone remember the Simpsons where Shelbyville spiked Springfield's water supply with LSD? Also, you could try big doses of meth.

meth only works if they take alot of it work for like 5 days straight then when they dont have anymore left they crash.