NationStates Jolt Archive

A male elf, wearing civilian clothes is standing at a podium, it is obviously a press conference. Behind him are various military figures, a Grand Admiral, a Ground Theater Command, a Spec Ops Manager, and the like. The chatter in the room dies down as the press official speaks,

“Today, we have made history. At 3:00 Knootoss Standard Time, Thelas and Knootoss signed a non-aggression pact, and a mutually defense pact against the forces of Arda, CACE, GDODAD, and The Reich. We will also establish a joint research base in the Pacific. The Accord of Leiden, as it will be called, also provides for other nations to join. This is the first step to a more major alliance between our two nations. I expect my counter part in Knootoss to comment soon. The formalization ceremony will be held in Knootoss, due to technical issues at Thelas International.

Thank you”


Text of the Treaty:

Accord of Leiden

In an effort to repair relations, to stabilize the world around them, and to create an alliance that will benefit all parties, these nations have come together to provide for mutual defense and trade.

By hereby signing this treaty, all parties hereby agree to,

a. provide for the common defense against here mentioned alliances/parties.
i. Arda
ii. GDODAD
iii. The Reich
iv. The CACE

b. To establish a joint research base in the pacific
c. A reduction of tariffs on all imports/exports with all signatories by 50%, and the lifting of any trade bans
d. Any other nations may join this accord if all current signatory parties agree to the acceptance of the new signatory nation.

This treaty may be amended by a consensus of all signatory members.

Signatures:

Thelas
Knootoss
Mezoprincapala
Talkos

ooc: why is this ATTN CACE? none of us RP with you or K any more or at all.

OOC: Because I thought that the CACE might be interested, it may also have been an evil capitalist plot to get more people to post here, thereby getting the people who might comment IC (gentle push) to post IC...

OOC: Isn't this pretty much a rehash of the last pact no one decided to join?

OOC:
*is not too happy with the attention tags but understands their purpose, as said people are named in the treaty*

SeOCC, please just SHUT UP and keep your vile comments to yourself. If you can't even make the effort to respond ICly then just don't do it at all and turn every thead sour. I haven't heard of an IGNORE in place, and this thing does mention the CACE alliance, even if it isn't about you but about me and Thelas.
EDIT while typing: I see you already added the text of the treaty.

IC:
Leiden University Aula, the signing of the treaty
The Knootian government is very happy to have come to a mutual understanding with Thelas. We hope to procure good results in the future with the shared research base, especially in the field of radiological military technology and Cancer research.

We further believe that the mutual defence clauses of the treaty will provide increased security for all.

This is an important step towards normalisation of relations with Thelas, a process that has been lagging behind somewhat in my persional opinion. We also see this treaty as an encouragement for the Thelas government to continue on their path to a more peaceful and ethical nation.

~Foreign Minister Hans van Mierlo

OOC: Isn't this pretty much a rehash of the last pact no one decided to join?
OOC: That wasn't the objective. I am not looking for a big anti-CACE alliance or somehting ridicilous like that, but for a reliable bilateral treaty. The option for other people to join wasn't made with that in mind. Besides, this is only part of ongoing developments in Knootian-Thelas relations.
~Knoot

[ooc: You could have just added a vanilla flavored mutual defence clause. More protection that way. This way if anyone outside of those alliances gets pissy Thelas won't be bound and vice versa.]

Official Statement:

The wonderful nation of Vegana is Shocked over the aggression pact signed by the two obvious warmongers Thelas and Knootoss. A defense treaty is generally a treaty signed that offers mutual defenses in case of an attack, whomever will attack the nations within the treaty. The peaceful nation of Vegana has NEVER heard about a defense treaty that names their intended victims. We strongly condemns both nations involved and hereby shut off all trade with said nations. Furthermore, as this treaty shows their evil intention of waging war against a few named alliances. ANY vessels from this pact entering any kind of Reich Territory will be considered hostile and will immediately be shot down, without any prior warning.

Tahar Joblis condemns this peremptory declaration of war by Knootoss and Thelas.

May the war be long and costly, and may the proletariat triumph over the oppressors as a result!

AMF has officially severed all ties with Thelas. The GDODAD has never done anything to you, much less anything to begin with. May your road ahead be filled with pain and misfortune.


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Rayne Xolantra
Potentate Striker of Automagfreek
G.D.O.D.A.D

Tahar Joblis condemns this peremptory declaration of war by Knootoss and Thelas.

May the war be long and costly, and may the proletariat triumph over the oppressors as a result!

We agree - in part - our Tahar Joblissian friends. This does not help matters - to put it mildly. We strongly suggest that this treaty be renegotiated; we feel that it's goals are too sweeping, and too... damaging... to current efforts to create a greater global stability.

If such renegotiation commences and the aim of the document is more pro-stability (and less anti-CACE and anti-Arda), then the Empire may be willing to sign at some future date.

~ Ambassador Dejure

[OOC: If ye read my previous post on this, then I must admit I misread the damned thing the first time around. Whoops.]

The Dominion likes the idea. It prevents a nation from calling for mommy whenever a little nation takes a dislike to it. Anything less than a large alliance and a nation should be able to handle it on its own. The world has far too long been dominated by a few large alliances.

Give us an assurance that "defense" does not mean that if one of the signers attacked one of the alliances and is getting attacked in the return fire we need to join in, that this is truely, a defensive treaty, and the Dominion of Talkos will join.

SeOCC, please just SHUT UP and keep your vile comments to yourself. If you can't even make the effort to respond ICly then just don't do it at all and turn every thead sour. I haven't heard of an IGNORE in place, and this thing does mention the CACE alliance, even if it isn't about you but about me and Thelas.

ooc: if you haven't figured it out, nobody wants to have anything to do with you, and so we're just not going to get involved. it's not an ignore, just a shun. but if you must have an ic response to this vile foolishness:

ic:

A regular 1300 MoP press briefing became an unscheduled festival of jocularity as a curious Xikuang reporter asked for SeOCC's official response to an anti-CACE aggression pact between Knootoss and Thelas.

The spokesperson, at first confused, was quickly informed of what the reporter asked and promptly burst into laughter. The spokesperson had to be removed because she could not stop laughing, and was replaced by the aide, whose composure held under the pressure.

This treaty is, of course, an unsubtle, uncreative attempt by the Knootian government to create a justification for another war effort. Of course, other nations, non-CACE nations I might add, have already unmasked the treaty for what it is, and so we feel no real need to add anything except our deepest regret that someone felt the need to bring up such an insignificant piece of trivia. This really has no importance in the least, and certainly not in SeOCC.

MoI Frontdesk

Bah, I laugh at your petty alliance.

And Thelas, this is the latest in your long road of backstabbing against the GDODAD. First you are a member, than you leave peacefully (no problem their). Since than there has been no incidence between each other, but now u must insist on forming an Alliance whose sole intent is to be counteractive towards us. You disgust me Thelas. All you have ever been is a no good lapdog, and you will continue to be.

Bah, I laugh at your petty alliance.

And Thelas, this is the latest in your long road of backstabbing against the GDODAD. First you are a member, than you leave peacefully (no problem their). Since than there has been no incidence between each other, but now u must insist on forming an Alliance whose sole intent is to be counteractive towards us. You disgust me Thelas. All you have ever been is a no good lapdog, and you will continue to be.

OOC: I hope that that al was OOC, because OOC, you guys are some of my best NS friends, IC, Thelas is still unsure about how stable the GDODAD is this time, and also is starting to create an autonomus defence net.

IC:

An official responce was made with haste,

"In responce to the death threats that many nations have made against us, we would like to clafify something,

We Are Not At War!

This is in now way a decleration of war, Thank You."

"We condemn the formation of such an alliance, with all respect to it's prospective signatories. To strive for balance and stability is, of course, something commendable, but to do so by creating a military alliance which clearly provokes existing alliances- with the purpose of preparing for eventual war with said alliances- is folly. A mutual defense pact is one thing, but one directed against singled-out-groups is a destabilizing influence in international politics."

-Sonya Chang, VC, PCC BoD

Clarification issued in a joined statement of the ministries of Defence and Foreign Affairs:

It appears there has been some international confusion about the intent of the recently signed treaty with Thelas, both about content and spirit. This is, as the diplomats from Talkos wondered, a defensive agreement both in letter and in spirit. The Dutch Democratic republic does not have an agenda of aggression and has never, ever, started a war in it’s entire history.

As for the naming of alliances in the first paragraph, we are not naming ‘victims’, rather then naming potential aggressors with the express objective to limit the reach of the treaty.

((OOC: and I have to go OOC for a moment here. The problem with bilateral NS alliances is that they are, by default, against everyone. There are enough alliance entanglements to give everyone a headache, and considering the huge amount of alliances that I’m in I must avoid war even moreso. I had imagined that naming alliances would be somehow controversial, but it was done by me for essentially two reasons:

1) To avoid getting caught up in each others sidewars. We all have them… Thelas attacking #random small nation# would require me to go to war as well, and I don’t like that prospect.
2) To avoid headache producing alliance entanglements. For example when Thelas would go to war with a SATO nation… or in a slightly more likely scenario with EOTED or something. I have no military ties to the alliances named here, and they are the only alliances that I deem a large enough potential treat to Knootoss to be worthy of naming. You should be honoured. :P

It’s more of a bilateral thing with ‘options’ on joining then that I seek to unite the enemies of >inserted alliances here< against them. Please believe that…))

I say it here, it is NOT the Knootian policy to go to war with any of these nations
It’s intend is purely to narrow the definition of our mutual defence clause.. The leaders of the nations in all these alliances have been sent fruit baskets as a gesture of goodwill.

In fact, Knootoss would love to procure a non-aggression pact with all of these alliances. To the leaders of the Reich, the CACE, Arda and the GDODAD I’d like to say: by all means send delegations to Leiden, where this pact was signed, and we’ll talk. By all means, consider this a formal offer of negotiations. We would like nothing more then a lasting peace between all of our nations.

The EOTED proposal is worthy of considering: Knootoss is indeed ready to negotiate a change of wording of this will increase international acceptance of the treaty without diminishing it’s content should the Thelas government also accept such an offer.

Great way to make certain alliances unhappy Thelas.

Offical Message from Prince Ryan uth Elood VI

The Principality of Mezoprincapala shall sign the Accord of Leiden, the Council of Houses and Pope Ali I of the True Mezoprincapala Catholic Church agree that our nation should sign the treaty to help other nations defend themselves from the Axis of Shadow.


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Prince Ryan uth Elood VI
The Principality of Mezoprincapala

Given these assurances, the Dominion of Talkos would sign the treaty. Once confirmed we will begin transfering funds to finance the research base, and intend to later send engineers or supplies for the construction.

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Talkos Foreign Ministry

Knoots, I would not have a problem if this was any old alliance between nations, and yes alliances by nature are inherintly against all nations, but the reason we are so taken aback and threatened by this alliance is because it mentions the GDODAD specifically. This is an alliance inherintly designed to counter us, to go against us, to take us out. This is why we are threatened. The alliance is threatening in nature, because it does not exist soley for defense, but in order to combat the GDODAD. Where is my proof, right in the words of the charter itself.

a. provide for the common defense against here mentioned alliances/parties.
i. Arda
ii. GDODAD
iii. The Reich
iv. The CACE

By the wording of the charter, the alliance only comes into effect when dealing specifically with these groups. The alliance is designed against the GDODAD (and others too). Because of this we are threatened, and if u did not wish to threaten us, than u should have checked your diction. The alliances sole intent is clearly to become the enemies of said alliances. The alliance is threatening in nature.

The old empires are dissolving. CENNA has fallen, EOTED has been crippled, and the others have had their powers seriously certailed. The fact is, empires in their twilight have been know to lash out, and attempt to reassert their failing influence. A short term and limited defense pact is what is necessary in these times, one that protects against what no one nation can stand against, while keeping nations from becoming too entangled in the affairs of others... It is the end of an era, and all the more dangerous because of it.

Message to Lord Christopher Scott:
Again, I will do anything to reassure you that this is not the case. I hope you recieved the fruitbasket by now? Truly, I say to you know that Knootoss still feels that it is bound to the treaty we signed with the Dominion years ago to end the shadow war.

The GDODAD and the Dominion are, in essence, the same. If we could reaffirm these relations by putting in place a formal non-agression treaty between the GDODAD and the Leiden signatories, the DDR would be willing to get the GDODAD off the list.
~Hans van Mierlo
Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss
"Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis"

@Thelas: your opinion on allowing these people in?

The Accursed Realm of Lord Sauron Reborn...simply dosen't care.

No comments are forthcoming from Barad-dûr as regards the treaty.

They both look clean, I am going to put them on the list.