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Are we in the third generation of NSers?

Most original starting members have gone ("the old old days") and were replaced with the group of 2003. Now many of these 2003 members are leaving and a new group seems to be forming now from late 2003 members. The ranks of veterans are thinning now, but nations like mine who have stuck around becoming the new veterans?

Opinions please. 8)

theres no good RPs anymore.

Nah. I'm still around... 8) :wink:

There aren't too many first geners around anymore. Being a second gener, I think there are still alot of us. And I think this october-december group are the fourth gen.

start-feb 2003 =1st
march 2003-may 2003 =2nd
june 2003-september 2003=3rd
oct 2003- dec 2003=4th

but thats just how i consider it.

theres no good RPs anymore.

Agreed :cry:

theres no good RPs anymore.

Agreed :cry:

Get off your ass, stop bitching and whining, and write some up.

Be self-reliant.

tried that it a) either gets infested with noobs who dont know what they are doing or b) u get 1 guy who is competent but only logs on once every day half the time doesnt even post then disappears for a week then comes back and makes 1 post then disappears again.

Possible generation map
1st - founding members, environment of no moderation
2nd - Interest picks up, moderation introduced
3rd - Late members, NS improvements with issues and new features. Moderation now accepted by most
4th - New members, established rules and moderation system

OOC: Yeah, RPers without the patience to do a long RP are great. I'm one of them. I've managed to be in 3 50 page plus rps. My friend made one, and got pissed when I told him it was dead with no chance of ressurection.

theres no good RPs anymore.

Agreed :cry:

Get off your ass, stop bitching and whining, and write some up.

Be self-reliant.

I have a job and I can only RP when everyone has gone to sleep. Starting an RP is a pain when you simply aren't around to keep it going.

Possible generation map
1st - founding members, environment of no moderation
2nd - Interest picks up, moderation introduced
3rd - Late members, NS improvements with issues and new features. Moderation now accepted by most
4th - New members, established rules and moderation system
I was one of the first mods... and that rule over NS was perfect.. lazy... laidback...

But now these stringenet rules and regulations. Well I say nuts to them. Yes, there I said it nuts to them. Everything was nice and fine back in the good ol' days.

The world was more chaotic and interesting back in the days of the huge alliances. GDODAD, WMNK, the great ones. The world was a more interesting place to live in.

The world was more chaotic and interesting back in the days of the huge alliances. GDODAD, WMNK, the great ones. The world was a more interesting place to live in.
Bah I remember a better time before those huge alligiences, where regions were regions and nations were nations.

I'm really a 3rd generation as this was my RP period. My first few months were not spent here (I have 2 April nations).

I wasn't around unfortunately. I missed the Amerigan slave war. I missed a lot.

I wasn't around unfortunately. I missed the Amerigan slave war. I missed a lot.
Yeah, that kind of thing doesn't happen anymore. It was a time where there were few RPs and they certainly didn't have weird tiutles like they do now...

They started with relatively simple things, like the sale of slaves and the etc.

'Twas a grand time indeed, and you young whelps can't know how grand it was.

Yes, indeed, back in my day, we didn't have fancy, shmancy issue submitions, international incidents forums, nor any moderation. Back in my day when we see some sick image, we didn't whine modalert and wait until it was cleaned up we awrned people with other threads not to visit it, which in effect led to curious people (like me) looking at that sick pciture, even though they wouldn't have, but then they saw that thread, and boy! There was some sick shit back then. Yes, indeed.

I remember back when I started every topic made would get atleast half a page of responses, no one ever bumped threads because there were always people posting. Now to get 1 response you have to bump a thread like 3 times.
And there wasn't that much ignoring people would just negiotate changes for RPs if they didn't like something that was being used instead of having this :"OMG GODMOD! IGNORED! I DEMAND U CHANGE THAT RIGHT NOW U HAVE 1 TOO MANY TANKS! CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW OR RP A DESTROYED ECONOMY!"

I think the former newbs are now the veterans. People like Isla de Penguinata, Nankin, Ferrussia, Rukemia, myself...

Although LE, AMF, and Melkor are still around too...

EDIT: This is Fyreheart.

I remember back when I started every topic made would get atleast half a page of responses, no one ever bumped threads because there were always people posting. Now to get 1 response you have to bump a thread like 3 times.
And there wasn't that much ignoring people would just negiotate changes for RPs if they didn't like something that was being used instead of having this :"OMG GODMOD! IGNORED! I DEMAND U CHANGE THAT RIGHT NOW U HAVE 1 TOO MANY TANKS! CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW OR RP A DESTROYED ECONOMY!"
Yeah way back then people didn't start threads selling "ignore technology" :roll:

Well that was still actually some time ago... but it was more recently tahts for sure...

I think the former newbs are now the veterans. People like Isla de Penguinata, Nankin, Ferrussia, Rukemia, myself...

Although LE, AMF, and Melkor are still around too...
Your still newbs and I still never heard of you. Besides Melkor is also a newb.

well I started the end of april and we had ignore tech back then but I remember it being more of a joke like a person goes "yeah sure...you can have that...guess what? YOUVE BEEN PWNED BY MY IGNORE CANNON!"

Now people make actual RPs around the ignore cannon. Nothing like reading a 2 page long post to find out you've been ignored.

or the pseudo ignores where the person has to post in everyone of your threads reminding you your ignored.

There aren't many old nations around, and some of them are not exactly the most active in the forums. Oh well, things change. Let's get back to some good RPing, and maybe we can all improve our skills.

When I came in in early april, this was the greatest thing ever. I got involved in the Midnight/Anti-Ragnarok wars and eventually joined the GDODAD. Back then, there were great RPs. I left the GDODAD the first time it died. As more and more n00bs flooded the forums, they got crappier and crappier. This is generally my fallback when I have nothing to do. (Which is why I'm on multiple times a day.)

Let's hope the new year brings improvements to NS RPing and no more repeats with n00b invasion episodes.

I guess the server simply couldn't cope with it's unexpected workload this year as well.

There needs to be some way to keep the n00bs from crapping up the forums. There has to be a way. Maybe the mods should just go around getting rid of n00bs. I mean, more so than usual. If a n00b shows absolutely no potential, they should be gotten rid of.

When I came in in early april, this was the greatest thing ever. I got involved in the Midnight/Anti-Ragnarok wars and eventually joined the GDODAD. Back then, there were great RPs. I left the GDODAD the first time it died. As more and more n00bs flooded the forums, they got crappier and crappier. This is generally my fallback when I have nothing to do. (Which is why I'm on multiple times a day.)
I remember I saw your first SPARTAN posts... I knew that you'd stick around from then on...

There needs to be some way to keep the n00bs from crapping up the forums. There has to be a way. Maybe the mods should just go around getting rid of n00bs. I mean, more so than usual. If a n00b shows absolutely no potential, they should be gotten rid of.

But how? If they don't break the rules? We dont have anything to hold against them...

We could have n00b forum where newcomers can train and not muck up real RPs, but then this is elitism. Cracking down on n00bs might not work as most "idiots" stay for a short time unless they go creating 5000000 puppets. Oh well ...

Bah, reform, reform, reform. Thats the kind of liberal thinking tha turned this board into what it is now... The wonderful limited chaos back when I was mod, was a perfect... Now with this polictical correctness everywhere and the noflaming, nooffending hapopy peace forums, might actually detriote to even worse depths through some more reform.

I think the main problem with noobs having trouble fitting in is NS got too hard to play esspically wars. When I started wars were simple you took your economy, got your budget picked a resonable percentage of your population and you had a military. Based on your economy is how much heavy equipment you could afford. You could stretch Realism by adding in things that might be available in 10-15 years and no one would argue.

Now to fight a war without being called a godmodder or a noob you have to know about every single step of the supply line. God forbid your military is better then the U.S. your a godmodder. If you break one rule of realism your a godmodder. Its not fun having to spend 3 hours going "well lets see I sent this many ships this many troops so Im going to have to send this many supply ships, with this and this."

I think the main problem with noobs having trouble fitting in is NS got too hard to play esspically wars. When I started wars were simple you took your economy, got your budget picked a resonable percentage of your population and you had a military. Based on your economy is how much heavy equipment you could afford. You could stretch Realism by adding in things that might be available in 10-15 years and no one would argue.

Now to fight a war without being called a godmodder or a noob you have to know about every single step of the supply line. God forbid your military is better then the U.S. your a godmodder. If you break one rule of realism your a godmodder. Its not fun having to spend 3 hours going "well lets see I sent this many ships this many troops so Im going to have to send this many supply ships, with this and this."

Wars? Bah, back in my day you didn';t have wars. All you had was diplomacy. I lost my war, because I was afraid to act as a dominant force in the issue, but hell the diplomacy and all was hairraising, the war itself was nothing compared to the events culminating to it.

Ugh I cant stand diplomacy threads or meeting threads. they are all pulp. I dont know how it was back then but every time I read a diplomacy thread now I just cringe it takes 10 pages for the representatives to just arrive with all the stuff people put in.

There needs to be some way to keep the n00bs from crapping up the forums. There has to be a way. Maybe the mods should just go around getting rid of n00bs. I mean, more so than usual. If a n00b shows absolutely no potential, they should be gotten rid of.

Hear! Hear! n00b-hunt!

*I'm also Ell and Taiwan.

Ahhhh, the good 'ol days........to bad I wasn't around for those. *heave great sigh* Oh well, I think I would've liked it back then in Amerigo's time. But that was the past, and now is the present. The present of great waves of newbs, n00bs, and everything else too "bothersome" to deal with. I will send out my well-trained chimp with a sharp poking stick to deal with the issue, yes.......that's what I'll do!

I support only the 'non-n00bish n00bs' (a phrase my puppet Marumake first quoted.)

i have to agree with Amerigo (a client in the beginning i think ;-) ) it was better a full year ago (even ok 10 months ago), but then i fled the forums. Now i post a little and wait for NS2... :-) there will be very few noobs there...

If you look hard enough, there are some very good rps out there, mostly private to keep out the stupid noobs. There are noobs though who do not act like noobs, and are able to make great rps. In a war I was involved in, I was the biggest nation, at 123 million people, most of my allies were anywhere from 35-80 million in size, but we all knew how to rp, and the best of it was the maps and the summeries we use to do. I would make maps of the combat theatre, another would make a summery, another an ORBAT, and everything went swell. Too bad I kinda lost touch with those guys, I really miss the good times... :(

Ugh I cant stand diplomacy threads or meeting threads. they are all pulp. I dont know how it was back then but every time I read a diplomacy thread now I just cringe it takes 10 pages for the representatives to just arrive with all the stuff people put in. I wouldn't know how it is nowadays but then again theres nothing to diplomacize about except some stupid ideals, charters, and international laws. Pointless. Now when your trying to prevent a war... thats diplomacy. Besides this game is not made for war, since there must be a dominant opponenet and a submissive one. Frankly, not a lot of people like the submissive role, so eventually it degenerates to bickering over godmodding. ]

i have to agree with Amerigo (a client in the beginning i think ;-) ) it was better a full year ago (even ok 10 months ago), but then i fled the forums. Now i post a little and wait for NS2... :-) there will be very few noobs there...
Well actually not from the beginning, but early anyways... It's just so many "from the very beginning" people are long gone...

ah yes the antioch war (the first one) there was a three way war, with me in the middle selling the same weapons to all the combatants.

i remember playing with "the evil", "pure evil" and demoness, they were good players :-)

What's with all this "Back in the day" bullshit!?

Jesus Christ, the thing is barely a year old. Let it grow before you get all "Grizzled Veteran" Nothing's happened yet.

You're incredible prejudice against new players is astounding. You talk badly about them as if it gives you a boost to your own pitiful self-esteem so you can make yourself out to be haughty and elite amongst the castes.

Give it a rest. Castrate your pride. Your energy will be better spent trying to make new roleplaying threads than to complain about them.

err well there were all these good players who will not go near the forums any more, due to the n00b problems that used to exist. they are all waiting for NS2 and they were some of the best ppl i have played with on NS.

does this mean that i am a veteran?

Are we in the third generation of NSers?

Most original starting members have gone ("the old old days") and were replaced with the group of 2003. Now many of these 2003 members are leaving and a new group seems to be forming now from late 2003 members. The ranks of veterans are thinning now, but nations like mine who have stuck around becoming the new veterans?

Opinions please. 8)

Who cares? This is just a great way to burn time. My older nation was actually in 02, but i decided to bring back this nation since my micronation has the same name.

What's with all this "Back in the day" bullshit!?

Jesus Christ, the thing is barely a year old. Let it grow before you get all "Grizzled Veteran" Nothing's happened yet.

You're incredible prejudice against new players is astounding. You talk badly about them as if it gives you a boost to your own pitiful self-esteem so you can make yourself out to be haughty and elite amongst the castes.

Give it a rest. Castrate your pride. Your energy will be better spent trying to make new roleplaying threads than to complain about them.
Bah! You youngins are all the same with your fast cars, fast money, and fast lives. Back in my day we had to walk 20 miles barefoot through the snow just to get the NS forum to connect. Back in my day, veterans were respected by newbs and your shameless impudence would have made Marathon come after you and insult you.

does this mean that i am a veteran?
HA!

why do you laugh?

why do you laugh?
Well of course your not a veteran, your just a newb like the rest of them... but fortunately your an advanced version of the newb. Unlike the newer newbs. To be a veteran you'd have to be feb and earlier.

I demand satisfaction!
**Draws duelling pistol**

I demand satisfaction!
**Draws duelling pistol**
Maybe later. Besides your not of my NS social class thus you get to be Senator Sumner.

when will i be a veteran?
**puts away pistol**

when will i be a vet.
Well lets see... When the vet population decreases by half...

when will i be a vet.

More you ask. More you look stupid.

ok, i drop oberon on you (the nation of SS Oberon-Armacor) (SS=Space Station) its a giant asteroid (getting bigger every day) :-) :D :) :D

when will i be a vet.
Well lets see... When the vet population decreases by half...

fair enough

when will i be a vet.

More you ask. More you look stupid.

i wasn't asking you

ok, i drop oberon on you (the nation of SS Oberon-Armacor) (SS=Space Station) its a giant asteroid (getting bigger every day) :-) :D :) :D

who are you droping your giant asteroid on?

i cancelled it, when you cancelled your duel :-) i just hadnt posted it yet...

anyway i dont really want to do that... its so hard to get it back in orbit :-)

I know. But c'mon, just keep active and you'll be seen as a "veteran" in time. You are a "veteran"(as you call it) when you are looked up to, but who will look up to a guy who asks everyone when he's going to be a "veteran"?

Norahc.....you have a post count of 65, and you ask if you are a veteran. Hell, I've been RPing since april, and wouldn't consider myself a veteran. I'm close though.

Hey guys remember the days when it took hours just to post one thing, because the forums were constantly down? You hardly saw any spam with that one... I mean now, its so easy to post pointless things with forum stability...

theres no good RPs anymore.

*ahem!*

what about me? :)

well i consider my self a vet, i havent posted that much (cause i left the boards), no one knows who i am (cause i left the boards) but as i am over a year old i think that makes me a vet....

Hey guys remember the days when it took hours just to post one thing, because the forums were constantly down? You hardly saw any spam with that one... I mean now, its so easy to post pointless things with forum stability...

aye...

Down with Stability!!!

Norahc.....you have a post count of 65, and you ask if you are a veteran. Hell, I've been RPing since april, and wouldn't consider myself a veteran. I'm close though.
Your close... Probably next year you'd be veteran material.

theres no good RPs anymore.

*ahem!*

what about me? :)
I've never seen any RPs with you in it... But then again I never seen Rps in general recently...

why do you laugh?
Well of course your not a veteran, your just a newb like the rest of them... but fortunately your an advanced version of the newb. Unlike the newer newbs. To be a veteran you'd have to be feb and earlier.

Hey..umm..I hope you're opening your mouth
Because you're about to shove your foot inside.

This is the player of Byzantium Glory, early January nationstate.

I'd be considered a veteran by your own standards, but I wouldn't say that. I tend to let my writing ability speak for itself, rather than just talk shit about everyone and act like they are below me.

You'd best to start acting nicer around new people and being a bit more civil. Don't just assume things from the dates on 'em. You'll find you'll be a lot happier during your stay here.

Norahc.....you have a post count of 65, and you ask if you are a veteran. Hell, I've been RPing since april, and wouldn't consider myself a veteran.

Posts don't matter either. It comes down to respect really. Just stay active in rp'ing, ooc discussions or by helping people. In time you will be seen as a veteran.

theres no good RPs anymore.

*ahem!*

what about me? :)
I've never seen any RPs with you in it... But then again I never seen Rps in general recently...

why should we RP when all our work will just be deleted in 4 days?

but I was damn good :cry:

Hey, Byzantium, I remember you. I can't remember why. Maybe an RP. I had you in my dosier. Still not remembering why.

why do you laugh?
Well of course your not a veteran, your just a newb like the rest of them... but fortunately your an advanced version of the newb. Unlike the newer newbs. To be a veteran you'd have to be feb and earlier.

Hey..umm..I hope you're opening your mouth
Because you're about to shove your foot inside.

This is the player of Byzantium Glory, early January nationstate.

I'd be considered a veteran by your own standards, but I wouldn't say that. I tend to let my writing ability speak for itself, rather than just talk shit about everyone and act like they are below me.

You'd best to start acting nicer around new people and being a bit more civil. Don't just assume things from the dates on 'em. You'll find you'll be a lot happier during your stay here.
Jeez man why are you taking this so seriously, I'm only joking around... we all are... Besides I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Norahc with that post. I mean seriously, man your worse than Marathon.

Hey guys remember the days when it took hours just to post one thing, because the forums were constantly down? You hardly saw any spam with that one... I mean now, its so easy to post pointless things with forum stability...

Ha-Ha! I remember that. It was pitiful. I used to click on a link on the forum, then go to another website while it's loading..lol. Then if the connection failed, i just kept trying until it went through.

Hey guys we should make an Elitist Veterans Thread, where we ramble on about the good ol' days.

Norahc.....you have a post count of 65, and you ask if you are a veteran. Hell, I've been RPing since april, and wouldn't consider myself a veteran.

Posts don't matter either. It comes down to respect really. Just stay active in rp'ing, ooc discussions or by helping people. In time you will be seen as a veteran.

I know, but with more posts, you get respect and experience. I realized this during Operation: Righteous Smackdown, back in the days before IGNORE tech.

Perhaps. 5418 posts looks alot better than 2..lol.

Jeez man why are you taking this so seriously, I'm only joking around... we all are... Besides I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Norahc with that post. I mean seriously, man your worse than Marathon.

Yet in general, Marathon is being voted one of the most beloved and missed nations in NS, ranking high as the greatest nations passed.

Odd how things like that work out, and of course a natural reply would be, "But no one cares what happens in General anyway." Or something contributing to that ideal.

No, I don't believe you are joking around. I think you just don't like the taste of toejam now and are backing down. Have a little more equality between brothers and sisters of mankind. Don't speak harshly about each other, the whole 'Discipline with a Gentle Hand' ideal works well.

Just show a bit more compassion and understanding, and a bit less yelling, finger-pointing, and prejudice bigotry.

Hey, Byzantium, I remember you. I can't remember why. Maybe an RP. I had you in my dosier. Still not remembering why.

I plan to rebuild Byzantium here again (I took a break when Star Wars: Galaxies, was released to play)

I just did a post on it ending the solo-part of the campaign.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=81823

It'll be very complicated. . .

Jeez man why are you taking this so seriously, I'm only joking around... we all are... Besides I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Norahc with that post. I mean seriously, man your worse than Marathon.

Yet in general, Marathon is being voted one of the most beloved and missed nations in NS, ranking high as the greatest nations passed.


I for one love marathon but he was a horrible nation

he managed to be an ass and be loved... can you say the same?

I think i'm a 2nd generation... Not many of you have seen me in the forums but i have been active in our region. And we won't walk away very soon.

Jeez man why are you taking this so seriously, I'm only joking around... we all are... Besides I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Norahc with that post. I mean seriously, man your worse than Marathon.

Yet in general, Marathon is being voted one of the most beloved and missed nations in NS, ranking high as the greatest nations passed.

Odd how things like that work out, and of course a natural reply would be, "But no one cares what happens in General anyway." Or something contributing to that ideal.

No, I don't believe you are joking around. I think you just don't like the taste of toejam now and are backing down. Have a little more equality between brothers and sisters of mankind. Don't speak harshly about each other, the whole 'Discipline with a Gentle Hand' ideal works well.

Just show a bit more compassion and understanding, and a bit less yelling, finger-pointing, and prejudice bigotry.
ROFL Wow you really are serious, maybe you should lighten up a little I mean seriously... "equality between brothers of sisters"? Come on, you can not be serious with that? "Predjudice bigotry"? Wow I mean, seriously...

Please go ahead and point to one post outside of this thread that I made against newbs, called anyone a newb or "ignored" a person. Go ahead find it, but then again I'm such a predjudiced elitist pig that I probably hid them eh?

And I knew Marathon well enough and I liked him well enough, but he pissed many people of with his stringency about things, so thus I comared him to you. Really man, easy up a little. I mean someone really has his underwear in a bunch.

No, I don't believe you are joking around. I think you just don't like the taste of toejam now and are backing down. Have a little more equality between brothers and sisters of mankind. Don't speak harshly about each other, the whole 'Discipline with a Gentle Hand' ideal works well.

Just show a bit more compassion and understanding, and a bit less yelling, finger-pointing, and prejudice bigotry.

Think you could be a little less over bearing? I think a simple - "I'm right, you're wrong" would have sufficed, without the additional face grinding in the dirt. :P

Treat everyone the way you wish to be treated. But what if I want to be treated bad? Well...........sucks to be you.

No, I don't believe you are joking around. I think you just don't like the taste of toejam now and are backing down. Have a little more equality between brothers and sisters of mankind. Don't speak harshly about each other, the whole 'Discipline with a Gentle Hand' ideal works well.

Just show a bit more compassion and understanding, and a bit less yelling, finger-pointing, and prejudice bigotry.

Think you could be a little less over bearing? I think a simple - "I'm right, you're wrong" would have sufficed, without the additional face grinding in the dirt. :P

Treat everyone the way you wish to be treated. But what if I want to be treated bad? Well...........sucks to be you.
Hell, I'm not wrong... And he's not right. He's just deluded about my stance on this issue.

Jeez man why are you taking this so seriously, I'm only joking around... we all are... Besides I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Norahc with that post. I mean seriously, man your worse than Marathon.

Yet in general, Marathon is being voted one of the most beloved and missed nations in NS, ranking high as the greatest nations passed.

Odd how things like that work out, and of course a natural reply would be, "But no one cares what happens in General anyway." Or something contributing to that ideal.

No, I don't believe you are joking around. I think you just don't like the taste of toejam now and are backing down. Have a little more equality between brothers and sisters of mankind. Don't speak harshly about each other, the whole 'Discipline with a Gentle Hand' ideal works well.

Just show a bit more compassion and understanding, and a bit less yelling, finger-pointing, and prejudice bigotry.
ROFL Wow you really are serious, maybe you should lighten up a little I mean seriously... "equality between brothers of sisters"? Come on, you can not be serious with that? "Predjudice bigotry"? Wow I mean, seriously...

Please go ahead and point to one post outside of this thread that I made against newbs, called anyone a newb or "ignored" a person. Go ahead find it, but then again I'm such a predjudiced elitist pig that I probably hid them eh?

And I knew Marathon well enough and I liked him well enough, but he pissed many people of with his stringency about things, so thus I comared him to you. Really man, easy up a little. I mean someone really has his underwear in a bunch.

It only takes one instance to show your Elitism. It doesn't have to be outside this thread. It's right here in this thread. Why should it have to be anywhere else. Stop hiding your guilt and apologize.

Jeez man why are you taking this so seriously, I'm only joking around... we all are... Besides I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Norahc with that post. I mean seriously, man your worse than Marathon.

Yet in general, Marathon is being voted one of the most beloved and missed nations in NS, ranking high as the greatest nations passed.

Odd how things like that work out, and of course a natural reply would be, "But no one cares what happens in General anyway." Or something contributing to that ideal.

No, I don't believe you are joking around. I think you just don't like the taste of toejam now and are backing down. Have a little more equality between brothers and sisters of mankind. Don't speak harshly about each other, the whole 'Discipline with a Gentle Hand' ideal works well.

Just show a bit more compassion and understanding, and a bit less yelling, finger-pointing, and prejudice bigotry.
ROFL Wow you really are serious, maybe you should lighten up a little I mean seriously... "equality between brothers of sisters"? Come on, you can not be serious with that? "Predjudice bigotry"? Wow I mean, seriously...

Please go ahead and point to one post outside of this thread that I made against newbs, called anyone a newb or "ignored" a person. Go ahead find it, but then again I'm such a predjudiced elitist pig that I probably hid them eh?

And I knew Marathon well enough and I liked him well enough, but he pissed many people of with his stringency about things, so thus I comared him to you. Really man, easy up a little. I mean someone really has his underwear in a bunch.

It only takes one instance to show your Elitism. It doesn't have to be outside this thread. It's right here in this thread. Why should it have to be anywhere else. Stop hiding your guilt and apologize.
ROFL!!!!!
Wow...
This is hilarious!

Power to the elites! In that case Byzantium is a class traitor and must be terminated! Death to the newbs! Death to them all! A veteran NS!

Ugh I cant stand diplomacy threads or meeting threads. they are all pulp. I dont know how it was back then but every time I read a diplomacy thread now I just cringe it takes 10 pages for the representatives to just arrive with all the stuff people put in. I wouldn't know how it is nowadays but then again theres nothing to diplomacize about except some stupid ideals, charters, and international laws. Pointless. Now when your trying to prevent a war... thats diplomacy. Besides this game is not made for war, since there must be a dominant opponenet and a submissive one. Frankly, not a lot of people like the submissive role, so eventually it degenerates to bickering over godmodding. ]

I agree with you on that. I get into alot of wars and use just massive force on my enemies and they always complain how its not fair. The best one is when a noob(either an actual noob or a forum noob i.e. guy who was here for 5 months and only had 3 posts) opposes one of my policies and demands I change my policy and tries to blockade me. So of course I refuse launch a pre emptive strike on their blockade and they freak out saying its not fair.
I actually got tgrams from people saying "That wasn't supposed to happen you were supposed to give into the ultimatum say your sorry and change your policy. You weren't supposed to start a war over it! All I wanted was a good RP where the right thing happened in the end with the good guy winning like he should!"