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Fifth Generation Fighters Under Development

Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 05:31
Haaregradian Aviation Weekly

Klimov Design Bureau has realised these pictures of their next generation fighter, currently labeled as the Kli-LFI.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/lfi002.jpg

This design will be competing against a CTOL, air to air optimized varient of the FV-27 Manta Ray to become the replacement and supplement for over 1400 F-33A Sniper fighters, based on the MiG 29/33/35 Fulcrum design.

The CTOL version of the FV-27 has the lift fan removed and the cockpit relocated further back, allowing more room in the nose for the radar.

Later this week it is believed Klimov and Pheonix Air Systems will both reveal their Advanced Tactical Fighter - Heavy as competition picks up.
Klimov is believed to have a delta/canard layout whereas Pheonix Air Systems is likely to use a forward shaped wing layout, like was presented in one of their technology demonstrators.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/lfi001.jpg

More information to come in next week's Haaregradian Aviation Weekly.
Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 07:24
any comments?
20-12-2003, 07:27
nice.
20-12-2003, 07:28
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Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 07:50
OOC:

You're gonna like the heavy fighters, they aren't going to be just the Su 47 and MiG 1.42. Expect them soon.
imported_Lusaka
20-12-2003, 08:37
Ah, who needs 'em? ;)

[flies F-5G past the window]

Mh.
Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 09:40
Ah, who needs 'em? ;)

[flies F-5G past the window]

Mh.

Well, they are 8+ years away from reaching service. Ready for some Snipers(my MiG 29 varient)?
imported_Lusaka
20-12-2003, 09:53
Eight years? Gosh, you're being realistic! [supports that fully]

Well, we have been a little jealous- even Cuba has a few MiG-29s, I think. The best Lusaka has are F-5Gs and Av-8B Harriers. We have no realy beyond visual range air-to-air capability at all, really. AiM-9 is the best AAM in service in Lusaka at the moment.

Colour us interested.

(Wow.. this is my eighth pint, I think. Fine if I'd slept or eaten recently, but.. [wobbles])
20-12-2003, 09:58
Eight years? Gosh, you're being realistic! [supports that fully]

Well, we have been a little jealous- even Cuba has a few MiG-29s, I think. The best Lusaka has are F-5Gs and Av-8B Harriers. We have no realy beyond visual range air-to-air capability at all, really. AiM-9 is the best AAM in service in Lusaka at the moment.

Colour us interested.

(Wow.. this is my eighth pint, I think. Fine if I'd slept or eaten recently, but.. [wobbles])

OOC: We will sell you our VK.III Missles. they serve basicly the same purpose as the AIM-132. also we have the long-range VK.II Missle.

Prices:
~50,000 Dollars a missle for the VK.III
~76,000 Dollars a Missle for the VK.II
Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 10:06
Eight years? Gosh, you're being realistic! [supports that fully]

Well, we have been a little jealous- even Cuba has a few MiG-29s, I think. The best Lusaka has are F-5Gs and Av-8B Harriers. We have no realy beyond visual range air-to-air capability at all, really. AiM-9 is the best AAM in service in Lusaka at the moment.

Colour us interested.

(Wow.. this is my eighth pint, I think. Fine if I'd slept or eaten recently, but.. [wobbles])

Actually your F-5s and F-20s can fire the AMRAAM and Sparrow III. ;)
imported_Lusaka
20-12-2003, 10:07
Hm. This is interesting. AIM-132 was a recent British/German mid-range effort, right??

We should require that it be operational on F-20 Freedom Fighter, F-5G Tiger, or AV-8A/B Harrier aircraft, or else it is of little use to Lusaka.
imported_Lusaka
20-12-2003, 10:09
Actually your F-5s and F-20s can fire the AMRAAM and Sparrow III. ;)

Realllly.. well, we haven't any of those missiles, at present..
Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 10:12
Actually your F-5s and F-20s can fire the AMRAAM and Sparrow III. ;)

Realllly.. well, we haven't any of those missiles, at present..

Yeah, they can fire *finds the stats he made*

Sidewinder
Sparrow
Avenger(AMRAAM)
ASRAAM
AA-8
AA-10
AA-11
AA-12
Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 10:23
The heavy fighter is going to need to replace the F-37A-E and F-115A. The medium fighter is going to need to replace the F-33A-D in Haaregradian service as well as F-16s, Lavis, F/A-18s and similar fighters worldwide.

The heavy fighter will likely be developed into a two seat, wide strike plane to replace the A-34.

Notes: F-37 and A-34 are versions of the Flanker in Haaregradian service.

A-34A - Su 34
A-34B - Su 32FN
F-37A/B - Su 35/two seat Su 35 conversion trainer
F-37C/D - Su 33 upgraded to match Su 35/two seat trainer
F-37E - Su 30MKI/MKK/MK variant adapted for interception, replacing and supplementing the F-115
F-115 - Modernized Arrow, borrowing many electronical systems fromt he MiG 31
20-12-2003, 17:43
We should require that it be operational on F-20 Freedom Fighter, F-5G Tiger, or AV-8A/B Harrier aircraft, or else it is of little use to Lusaka.

Yes, the VK.III are operational on the F-5G and F-20, and the VK.II Can be fited to all of them.
Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 20:09
OOC:

Please try to reduce the off topic conversations. :P

IC:

Pheonix Air Systems has revealed their prototype of the YF-27, the conventional take off version of the FV-27 Manta Ray. The lift-fans are replaced with additional electronics, improving the aircraft's medium range air combat potential.

Name: YF-27A Manta Ray (Pas 41B Flashbulb)

Primary Function: low observability tactical fighter, combat capable conversion trainer
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1xTF420-350-V with 35 000lbs of thrust(prototypes)
Length: 50' (15.25 meters)
Height: 13'10" (4.25 meters)
Wingspan: 39'6' (12 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 1.8
Ferry Range: 1 600 miles (2 575km)
Empty Weight: 21 000lbs (9 525kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 42 000lbs (19 050kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 350 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 12 000lbs(5 443kg) of external stores including AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $42 000 000USD
Crew: 1, 2 in B model

Notes:
This variant of the Pas 41 design is designed to be multi-role, low observability fighter to replace the F-33 Sniper. The aircraft will, if selected for service enter frontline units around 2008-2009. Costs are expected to be reduced by the fact that most of the aircraft's research has already been done, giving it a great lead on the main competitor, the Klimov Kli-LFI.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/422994/YF-27.gif
Soviet Haaregrad
20-12-2003, 21:05
bump
20-12-2003, 21:07
wow
Soviet Haaregrad
21-12-2003, 03:40
Stage Two of development has begun, the aircraft prototypes are being built. More information, pictures and stats to come.

Funding Breakdown for the LFX and ATF projects:

Frontal Air Command - 35%
Strategic Air Command - 25%
Naval Air Command - 25%
Marine Command - 15%
Soviet Haaregrad
24-12-2003, 19:42
Pheonix Air Systems has released schematics of their entry in the ATX competition.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/422994/pasatx.gif

Klimov Design Bureau will be releasing statistics on their designs tommorow, and more images too we hope.
Soviet Haaregrad
24-12-2003, 21:07
bump (look at page 1)
Soviet Haaregrad
27-12-2003, 07:00
The Pheonix Air Systems YF-27 Manta Ray and the Klimov YF-28 Kli-LFI have begun taxiing tests. The first YF-27 is so far equipped with the 35 000lbs thrust engine found in it's VTOL sibling, eventually both aircraft should be receiving the planned 39-41 000lb thrust engine that will be used in the winning ATF design.

Naval Air Command has so far stated a lack of support for the Pheonix Air Systems design, not trusting it's forward swept wing to be able to be folded, limiting it's deployablity on Haaregradia's aircraft carriers.

This gives the yet to be seen Klimov design, with it's apparent delta/canard design a big advantage.
Soviet Haaregrad
09-01-2004, 07:15
Work continues on all these products in secret. More information will be released later.
Soviet Haaregrad
07-02-2004, 21:46
The Klimov 1.42(MiG 1.42/1.44) design has been accepted as the winner in the heavy fighters category. The Pheonix Air Systems F-27 Manta Ray has been judged winner by default, after the YF-28 failed to recieve enough orders to bring it's prce down to match the qualifications.
Soviet Haaregrad
28-02-2004, 20:06
Haaregradian Air Command has accepted the first 24 of 240 F-27A Manta Ray fighters. These aircraft are intended to replace the F-33A Sniper ADV. The fighter is first replacing the ADV versions of the fighter that were not upgraded in the Service Life Extention Program.

Additionally all FV-27A/B Manta Ray V/STOL fighters are being upgraded to FV-27C/D standard which includes many improvements, the A/B model being intended from the begining as a intrim model.

Name: F-27A/B Manta Ray (Pas 41B Flashbulb)

Primary Function: low observability tactical fighter, combat capable conversion trainer
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1x TF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust
Length: 50' (15.25 meters)
Height: 13'10" (4.25 meters)
Wingspan: 39'6' (12 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 2 250 miles
Empty Weight: 21 000lbs (9 525kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 49 340lbs (22 400kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 350 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 17 000lbs (7 711kg) of external stores including AA-8 Aphid, AA-10 Alamo, AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $42 000 000USD
Crew: 1, 2 in B model

Notes:
This variant of the Pas 41 design is designed to be multi-role, low observability fighter to replace the F-33 Sniper. The aircraft began entering service with frontline units around 2008-2009. The design was influenced by the F-35 JSF, YF-23 Black Widow, Yak-141 and Rafale. The aircraft has a smaller radar signature then the JSF, mainly due to it's flatter design.
-uses newly developed RDR-360 synthetic aperture radar system, including a front sensor with a 300km range and a rear sensor with a 120km range
-able to track 16 targets at a time and fire at 4
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 6 different active air-to-air modes(one being anti-stealth), 4 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with all new avionics suite:
-64 bit computer
-improved terrain-following radar
-higher resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-improved ECM suite
-new combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224 Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
-improved nav/attack systems


Name: FV-27C/D Manta Ray (Pas 41 Flashbulb)

Primary Function: V/STOL low observability strike fighter, combat capable conversion trainer
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1x TF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust
Length: 50' (15.25 meters)
Height: 13'10" (4.25 meters)
Wingspan: 39'6' (12 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 1 600 miles (2 575km)
Empty Weight: 22 000lbs (9 979kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 49 340lbs (22 400kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 350 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 12 000lbs(5 443kg) of external stores including AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $42 000 000USD
Crew: 1, 2 in D model

Notes:
The Pas 41 is a super manuverable, purpose built, low observability V/STOL strike and fighter aircraft designed for use from light carriers in support of marine landings or to provide air support for battleships.

The design was influenced by the F-35B JSF, YF-23 Black Widow, Yak-141 and Rafale. The aircraft has a smaller radar signature then the JSF, mainly due to it's flatter design.

This design, designated FV-27 Manta Ray in Haaregradian service operates from Fortress class battleships and from Wasp(modified) class amphibious assault carriers.

-uses newly developed RDR-360 synthetic aperture radar system, including a front sensor with a 300km range and a rear sensor with a 120km range
-able to track 16 targets at a time and fire at 4
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 6 different active air-to-air modes(one being anti-stealth), 4 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with all new avionics suite:
-64 bit computer
-improved terrain-following radar
-higher resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-improved ECM suite
-new combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224 Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
-improved nav/attack systems


YF-44A/B Venom
estimated
Primary Function: Multi-Role Tactical Fighter
Contractor: Klimov Design Bureau OKB
Power Plant: 2xTF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust each
Length: 65'8"(20 meters)
Height: 18'5" (5.6 meters)
Wingspan: 49'3" (15 meters)
Ceiling: 59 000' (18 000 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.6 at 35 000'
Ferry Range: 2 720 miles (4 375km)
Empty Weight: 40 565lbs (18 400kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 75 000lbs (34 020kg)
Armament: 1xGAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 750 rounds, upto 12 000lbs(5 455kg) of stores internally in main weapons bay, 12 000lbs(5 455kg) of external stores including AA-11 Archer and AA-12 Adder AAMs, many ASMs, smart and dumb bombs up to 2 000lbs, ECM pods and external fuel tanks
Unit cost: $75 000 000USD
Crew: 1
Notes:
-based on the MAPO-MiG Project 1.44/1.42
-uses 3D thrust vectoring engines
-uses the CPU-1286 64 bit dual processor computer
-uses newly developed RDR-363 synthetic aperture radar system, including a N-014 front sensor with a 420km range and a N-012 rear sensor with a 200km range
-able to track 48 targets at a time and fire at 16
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 8 different active air-to-air modes(two anti-stealth modes), 6 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with ALQ-224+ Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system

Models Under Development:
Polikarpov Design Bureau OKB
YB-21 Brimstone(Type 32)
YB-22 Zyklon(Type 168)
Klimov Design Bureau OKB
YF-44 Venom(Product 1.42)
YA-42 (Product 1.43a)
YF-45 Drow II(Product 7.01)
YR-21 Drow II(Product 7.02)
Pheonix Air Systems OKB
YR-3 Infiltrator
Soviet Haaregrad
29-02-2004, 00:48
Estimated as this aircraft is still classified
YF-45 Drow II

Primary Function: Long Range Escort and Interceptor aircraft
Contractor: Klimov Design Bureau OKB
Power Plant:two of a classified type, expected to have over 50 000lbs of thrust each
Length: 80'(24.38 meters)
Height: 19'8"(6 meters)
Wingspan: 59'6"(18 meters)
Ceiling: 80 000-plus feet (24 400 meters)
Speed: Mach 3.2 at high altitude
Ferry Range: 7 500 miles(12 000km) on internal fuel only
Empty Weight: 52 910lbs (24 000kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 92 594lbs (42 000kg)
Armament: 1xGAU-30-5 30mm gatling cannon and 8x AA-12 Adder or 6x AA-9 Amos and 4x AA-11 Archer internally or 20 000lbs of internal stores
Unit cost: $96 000 000
Crew: Two, pilot and weapon systems officer
Notes:
-based on the MAPO-MiG Project 7.01
-able to function as an AWACS system, flying in pickets
-uses 3D thrust vectoring engines
-uses the CPU-1286 64 bit dual processor computer
-uses newly developed RDR-372 synthetic aperture radar system, including a N-015 front sensor with a 560km range and a N-013 rear sensor with a 240km range
-able to track 60 targets at a time and fire at 20
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 12 different active air-to-air modes(three anti-stealth modes)
-fitted with ALQ-224+ Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
Soviet Haaregrad
01-03-2004, 07:04
Two final next generation projects are coming about

The TR-3 Infiltrator (code name: Black Manta) is a super stealthy recon, light strike, forward air control and mission control aircraft to be used in the assistance of Tactical Air Command strike missions.

http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/manta1.jpg

The YA-21 Katana is a next generation replacement for the Su 39, and features stealth characteristics to enable it to get closer to the scene of battle. Thiwill be a heavily armored aircraft with a big gun and multiple internal and external weapons points. The aircraft is expected to be slightly larger then the Su 25/39 but still smaller then the A-10 and YA-9.
Omz222
01-03-2004, 07:08
The Omzian Air Force and Navy Marine Corps, owning a fleet of FV-27A Manta Ray aircraft numbering over 100, would like to negotitate with the Soviet Haaregrad government for a possibility to upgrade a total of 190 FV-27As and 42 FV-27Bs to the C/D standard. If possible, we would perfer a domestic upgrade/production license for these upgrades, plus another total of 300 FV-27As instead.

The Omzian Air Force is also interested in the TR-3 Infiltrator, as the Omzian counterpart is still under research by the OMASC and will not be entering service for years.

Regarding the A-24 upgrades offer however, the Omzian Air Force is still considering, as the A-24A is already meeting our needs. The FV-27s however, are considered cruical at the current moment, so we are keen to have these aircraft upgraded to the latest standards.
Soviet Haaregrad
01-03-2004, 07:13
The Omzian Air Force and Navy Marine Corps, owning a fleet fo FV-27A Manta Ray aircraft numbering over 100, would like to negotitate with the Soviet Haaregrad government for a possibility to upgrade a total of 190 FV-27As and 42 FV-27Bs to the C/D standard. If possible, we would perfer a domestic upgrade/production license for these upgrades, plus another total of 300 FV-27As instead.

The Omzian Air Force is also interested in the TR-3 Infiltrator, as the Omzian counterpart is still under research by the OMASC and will not be entering service for years.


The TR-3 has been in active service for four years and is only coming to light because it's about to be declassified, ala F-117 just before the Gulf War.

OOC: I'll discuss this later, I'm too tired right now, but you'll get the planes and upgrades and licence.

-.- <-- sleepy me.
Soviet Haaregrad
01-03-2004, 23:05
Conversion In Lieu Of Procurement: $ 8 000 000


Omz222's Final Bill(if PAS does the upgrades):
$1 856 000 000

As always, in reward for being a good customer Pheonix Air Systems will sell you a licence for upgrades and production of the FV-27C/D for $500 000 000.
The Zoogie People
01-03-2004, 23:55
Noooo....I'm using this pic as a fighter!...Haven't typed up the descriptions yet, it's not top in my list of priorities...but I hope you don't mind both of us using it? (Chinese Army storefront, my puppet)
Soviet Haaregrad
02-03-2004, 01:45
Noooo....I'm using this pic as a fighter!...Haven't typed up the descriptions yet, it's not top in my list of priorities...but I hope you don't mind both of us using it? (Chinese Army storefront, my puppet)

Knock yourself out. If you like we can only use either the dog tooth or flat back, or just mix them up?
Soviet Haaregrad
02-03-2004, 01:55
TR-3A Infiltrator

Primary Function: Tactical Reconnaisance/Air Control aircraft
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 2x TF933-160-D 16 000lbs dry thrust turbofan
Length: 31'7"(9.66 meters)
Height: 10'(3 meters)
Wingspan: 59'6"(18 meters)
Ceiling: 56 000'(17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 0.98
Ferry Range: 3 250 miles (5 230km)
Empty Weight: 28 000lbs (12 700kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 49 340lbs (22 400kg)
Armament: Not often carried, but can consist of up to 5 000lbs(2 270kg) of internal stores, including smart bombs, most common ASMs, AA-11 Archer AAMs
Unit cost: $80 000 000
Crew: 1
Notes:
-designed to control Haaregradian strike missions
-equiped with powerful electronics and passive sensors
-has been in service for over 7 years but is just now being declassified
-super stealthy, has been reported to have a radar cross-section like a .177 cal BB
-capable of directing over 48 other aircraft in strike missions
-capable of carrying numerous pallets, allowing it to function as a SigInt/ElInt, mission control, long range reconnaisance platform or photographic reconnaisance aircraft
http://www.area51zone.com/aircraft/manta1.jpg
Soviet Haaregrad
02-03-2004, 06:05
Final design has begun on the Su 25/39 replacement and stats should be available soon.

OOC:

w00t! The drawing is done. The YA-21 Katana is pretty interesting looking.
Omz222
02-03-2004, 06:49
The OHDF, satisfied to see Soviet Haaregrad and Pheonix Air Systems' prompt reply, much perfer a domestic upgrades license for $500,000,000, to be able to upgrade these aircraft faster (without delivery tme) and integrate Omzian components (Such as communication devices and the likes). The $500 million is ready for delivery upon an agreement of the transfer of technology and license for the upgrades and production of the C/D variant.

With that, the OHDF is also interested in a order of a total of 6 TR-2A Infiltrator aircraft for Omzian Air Force service, if PAS accepts. In our calculation, it would total to $480,000,000.
Soviet Haaregrad
02-03-2004, 07:03
The OHDF, satisfied to see Soviet Haaregrad and Pheonix Air Systems' prompt reply, much perfer a domestic upgrades license for $500,000,000, to be able to upgrade these aircraft faster (without delivery tme) and integrate Omzian components (Such as communication devices and the likes). The $500 million is ready for delivery upon an agreement of the transfer of technology and license for the upgrades and production of the C/D variant.

With that, the OHDF is also interested in a order of a total of 6 TR-2A Infiltrator aircraft for Omzian Air Force service, if PAS accepts. In our calculation, it would total to $480,000,000.

Your order will be processed immediately, expect delivery within one month (NS time). Note that the Infiltrator is built on a low output line, as the factory is mostly used for the FV-27 and F-27.

Enjoy.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-03-2004, 05:56
http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/68292/YA-21Katana.gif

First released image of the aircraft destined to replace the Su 39 in Haaregradian service.
Soviet Haaregrad
04-03-2004, 21:48
Kinda of off topic but...

All space-based forces have been split off and are now under control of the newly formed Space Defense Command.

The Armed Forces of Dill Row and Metropolis Industries will be full integrated with the Pan-Haaregradian Armed forces. No member of the Pan-Haaregradian Council will operate their own armed force.

More elite units will be formed. In order to better make use of them Special Forces Command will be established, the chair of SpecFoCo will be held by a mixture of officers from Ground Command, Marine Command, Tactical Air Command and Intellegence Services Command who are voted on by other members of the force.

The AS-21 Stilleto anti-tank missile continues developement.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
05-03-2004, 00:59
OOC: Nice designs overall, but you've put a serious problem into all of them, and that's a failure to take fuel into account.
In short, payload is always too high compared to the other weights. The most obviously notable of these is the YF-45 Drow II. That aircraft would have to have most of its weight in fuel alone for that kind of range and speed, yet is has only a pitifully small possible fuel reserve.
In most cases, you simply fail to correlate the respective weights, frequently failing to account for enough fuel to make these combat aircraft.
For the record, most combat aircraft have a fuel fraction of .3-.35 (that means 30-35% of their takeoff weight is in fuel, and that much gives average range). The F/A-18 Hornet, which was repeatedly noted as being notoriously short-ranged, had a fuel fraction of .23.
For your aircraft, looking at the ratings:
F-27A/B: .13
FV-27C/D: .21
YF-44: .14
YF-45: .21

This means that the shorter-ranged F-27A/B and YF-44 would be incapable of launching missions out to a radius of 500 km without heavy tanker support. All the enemy has to do is prevent your aircraft from pulling away when they get low on fuel and he wins. After all, even the F/A-18A/B/C/D has far better endurance.
The FV-27C/D and YF-45 are still incapable of launching missions against anything that isn't nearby, and are still beat out by the Hornet, though not by much. Still, you'd be playing at a massive disadvantage even over your home territory.
My advise is to take a bit off of the empty weight and those excessive payloads to help your aircraft in that serious area. You might also want to look into combat ranges, as ferry range is not necessarily a good method of determining combat radius (the higher the extra fuel tank load, the better proportionately the ferry range will be, but the worse the combat ranges will).

Also, on the YF-45, take the range and put it into something believable. Only heavy bombers with huge fuel loads pull quite that much. A Mach 3+ interceptor shouldn't be going anywhere near that far on internal fuel alone.
Also, for the same aircraft (and any others you may make). You can't say that the system can engage more targets than the aircraft's payload allows. An F-14 was limited to 6 targets because that was the maximum number of Phoenix missiles it could carry. Similarly, an aircraft with only 10 missiles cannot engage 20 targets. No matter how good the system is, it can't use the same missile twice.
Soviet Haaregrad
12-03-2004, 09:50
OOC: Nice designs overall, but you've put a serious problem into all of them, and that's a failure to take fuel into account.
In short, payload is always too high compared to the other weights. The most obviously notable of these is the YF-45 Drow II. That aircraft would have to have most of its weight in fuel alone for that kind of range and speed, yet is has only a pitifully small possible fuel reserve.
In most cases, you simply fail to correlate the respective weights, frequently failing to account for enough fuel to make these combat aircraft.
For the record, most combat aircraft have a fuel fraction of .3-.35 (that means 30-35% of their takeoff weight is in fuel, and that much gives average range). The F/A-18 Hornet, which was repeatedly noted as being notoriously short-ranged, had a fuel fraction of .23.
For your aircraft, looking at the ratings:
F-27A/B: .13
FV-27C/D: .21
YF-44: .14
YF-45: .21

This means that the shorter-ranged F-27A/B and YF-44 would be incapable of launching missions out to a radius of 500 km without heavy tanker support. All the enemy has to do is prevent your aircraft from pulling away when they get low on fuel and he wins. After all, even the F/A-18A/B/C/D has far better endurance.
The FV-27C/D and YF-45 are still incapable of launching missions against anything that isn't nearby, and are still beat out by the Hornet, though not by much. Still, you'd be playing at a massive disadvantage even over your home territory.
My advise is to take a bit off of the empty weight and those excessive payloads to help your aircraft in that serious area. You might also want to look into combat ranges, as ferry range is not necessarily a good method of determining combat radius (the higher the extra fuel tank load, the better proportionately the ferry range will be, but the worse the combat ranges will).

Also, on the YF-45, take the range and put it into something believable. Only heavy bombers with huge fuel loads pull quite that much. A Mach 3+ interceptor shouldn't be going anywhere near that far on internal fuel alone.
Also, for the same aircraft (and any others you may make). You can't say that the system can engage more targets than the aircraft's payload allows. An F-14 was limited to 6 targets because that was the maximum number of Phoenix missiles it could carry. Similarly, an aircraft with only 10 missiles cannot engage 20 targets. No matter how good the system is, it can't use the same missile twice.

I realize the weapons payloads to maximum takeoff weights are very high, most aircraft cannot carry a full warload and a full fuel load. For the YF-45, the range given is high altitude, sub-sonic ferry range, obviously that will be much higher then the combat speed range. I'll correct the system track/fire numbers, the theoretical limit is meaningless after all. The numbers there are, after all, just estimates, while I refine the real numbers down.

Anyways, any help is appriciated.
Soviet Haaregrad
12-03-2004, 18:34
Haaregradian Defence Quarterly released the following statistics for the next generation Haaregradian fighters:

YF-44A/B Venom

Primary Function: Multi-Role Tactical Fighter
Contractor: Klimov Design Bureau OKB
Power Plant: 2xTF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust each
Length: 71'3"(21.7 meters)
Height: 18'5" (5.6 meters)
Wingspan: 53'9" (16.4 meters)
Ceiling: 59 000' (18 000 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.6 at 35 000'
Ferry Range: 2 720 miles (4 375km)
Empty Weight: 40 500lbs (18 370kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 81 000lbs (36 740kg)
Armament: 1xGAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 750 rounds, upto 7 000lbs(3 175kg) of stores internally in main weapons bay, 12 000lbs(5 455kg) of external stores including AA-11 Archer and AA-12 Adder AAMs, many ASMs, smart and dumb bombs up to 2 000lbs, ECM pods and external fuel tanks
Unit cost: $75 000 000USD
Crew: 1
Notes:
-based on the MAPO-MiG Project 1.44/1.42
-uses 3D thrust vectoring engines
-uses the CPU-1286 64 bit dual processor computer
-uses newly developed RDR-363 synthetic aperture radar system, including a N-014 front sensor with a 420km range and a N-012 rear sensor with a 200km range
-able to track 48 targets at a time and fire at 16
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 8 different active air-to-air modes(two anti-stealth modes), 6 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with ALQ-224+ Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
Versions:
A - single seat land based tactical fighter
B - two seat land based conversion trainer and tactical fighter
C - single seat tactical naval fighter
D - two seat conversion trainer and tactical naval fighter
E - two seat land based long range interceptor

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/mig142diagram.jpg

YF-45 Drow II

Primary Function: Long Range Escort and Interceptor aircraft
Contractor: Klimov Design Bureau OKB
Power Plant:
Length: 98'5"(30 meters)
Height: 19'8"(6 meters)
Wingspan: 62'4"(19 meters)
Ceiling: 80 000-plus feet (24 400 meters)
Speed: Mach 3.2 at high altitude
Ferry Range: 7 500 miles(12 000km) on internal fuel only
Empty Weight: 52 910lbs (24 000kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 120 850lbs (54 816kg)
Armament: 1xGAU-30-5 30mm gatling cannon and 12x AA-12 Adder or 9x AA-9 Amos and 4x AA-11 Archer internally or 20 000lbs of internal stores
Unit cost: $96 000 000
Crew: Two, pilot and weapon systems officer
Notes:
-based on the MAPO-MiG Project 7.01
-able to function as an AWACS system, flying in pickets
-uses 3D thrust vectoring engines
-uses the CPU-1286 64 bit dual processor computer
-uses newly developed RDR-372 synthetic aperture radar system, including a N-015 front sensor with a 560km range and a N-013 rear sensor with a 240km range
-able to track 60 targets at a time and fire at 16
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 12 different active air-to-air modes(three anti-stealth modes)
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/mig70102.jpg


Name: F-27A/B Manta Ray

Primary Function: low observability tactical fighter, combat capable conversion trainer
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1x TF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust
Length: 50' (15.25 meters)
Height: 13'10" (4.25 meters)
Wingspan: 39'6' (12 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 2 250 miles
Empty Weight: 21 000lbs (9 525kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 49 340lbs (22 400kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 350 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 15 000lbs (6 804kg) of external stores including AA-8 Aphid, AA-10 Alamo, AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $42 000 000USD
Crew: 1, 2 in B model

Notes:
This variant of the Pas 41 design is designed to be multi-role, low observability fighter to replace the F-33 Sniper. The aircraft began entering service with frontline units around 2008-2009. The design was influenced by the F-35 JSF, YF-23 Black Widow, Yak-141 and Rafale. The aircraft has a smaller radar signature then the JSF, mainly due to it's flatter design.
-uses newly developed RDR-360 synthetic aperture radar system, including a front sensor with a 300km range and a rear sensor with a 120km range
-able to track 16 targets at a time and fire at 4
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 6 different active air-to-air modes(one being anti-stealth), 4 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with all new avionics suite:
-64 bit computer
-improved terrain-following radar
-higher resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-improved ECM suite
-new combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224 Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
-improved nav/attack systems


Name: FV-27C/D Manta Ray
Primary Function: V/STOL low observability strike fighter, combat capable conversion trainer
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1x TF560-445-V 44 500lbs of thrust
Length: 50' (15.25 meters)
Height: 13'10" (4.25 meters)
Wingspan: 39'6' (12 meters)
Ceiling: 57 000' (17 075 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.1
Ferry Range: 1 600 miles (2 575km)
Empty Weight: 22 000lbs (9 979kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 49 340lbs (22 400kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm cannon with 350 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 12 000lbs(5 443kg) of external stores including AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $42 000 000USD
Conversion In Lieu Of Procurement: $ 8 000 000
Crew: 1, 2 in D model

Notes:
The Pas 41 is a super manuverable, purpose built, low observability V/STOL strike and fighter aircraft designed for use from light carriers in support of marine landings or to provide air support for battleships.

The design was influenced by the F-35B JSF, YF-23 Black Widow, Yak-141 and Rafale. The aircraft has a smaller radar signature then the JSF, mainly due to it's flatter design.

This design, designated FV-27 Manta Ray in Haaregradian service operates from Fortress class battleships and from Wasp(modified) class amphibious assault carriers.

-uses newly developed RDR-360 synthetic aperture radar system, including a front sensor with a 300km range and a rear sensor with a 120km range
-able to track 16 targets at a time and fire at 4
-able to engage stealth targets
-full look down/shoot down
-includes 6 different active air-to-air modes(one being anti-stealth), 4 different air-to-surface modes and a passive mode for SEAD
-fitted with all new avionics suite:
-64 bit computer
-improved terrain-following radar
-higher resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-improved ECM suite
-new combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224 Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
-improved nav/attack systems


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Recognizing that most fighters operate with less then a full warload I think these are fair weights. Additionally, after the aircraft is off the ground it can pick up a greater load of fuel. This is a commonly used tactic, because it's easier to keep a heavy plane in the air then it is to get one into the air.
Soviet Haaregrad
13-03-2004, 07:17
*hopes CSJ takes another look*
Soviet Haaregrad
27-03-2004, 22:10
First Images Of What Will Soon Replace the Su 34/32FN

A-22A/B Executioner

Primary Function: Long Range Tactical Strike
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 2xTF560-445 44 500lbs of thrust each
Length: 72'
Height: 17'3" (25.5 meters)
Wingspan: 48'9"
Ceiling: 59 000' (18 000 meters)
Speed: Mach 2.25
Ferry Range:
Empty Weight: 40 565lbs (18 400kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight:
Armament: up to 12 000lbs(5 455kg) of stores internally in main bomb bay, 12 000lbs(5 455kg) of external stores including AA-11 Archer and AA-12 Adder AAMs, many ASMs, smart and dumb bombs up to 1 000kg, ECM pods and external fuel tanks
Unit cost: $90 000 000USD
Crew: 2, pilot and weapons system operator
Notes:
-fitted with state of the art avionics
-CPU-1286 64 bit dual processor computer
-RPQ-440 super-high resolution synthetic aperture radar
-terrain-following radar
-high-resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224B Peeker Seeker+ advanced radar location system(originally installed on the EA-24A/B model)



Versions:
A-22A Executioner - ground based, long range strike and interdiction aircraft
A-22B Executioner - naval long range strike and interdiction aircraft
JA-22A Executioner - Laminar Airflow test airframe

About Laminar Airflow:
A certain amount of air turbulence occurs on the surface of most aircraft wings, regardless of shape and size. Because of its viscosity, as air moves across an airfoil, it changes from a laminar (smooth) flow at the forward area to a more turbulent flow toward the trailing edge. The "perfect" wing would demonstrate laminar air flow across the entire surface of the wing, with no sign of turbulence. This thin turbulent layer affects flying performance by increasing aerodynamic drag and fuel consumption. The experimental wing panel, made mostly of titanium, is perforated with about 10 million nearly microscopic laser-cut holes. An on-board suction system draws off, through the tiny holes, the turbulent layer of air flowing over the wing's surface. Eliminating the layer of rough air creates a laminar flow condition that reduces aerodynamic drag and contributes to fuel savings.



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Soviet Haaregrad
12-04-2004, 08:52
bump
Soviet Haaregrad
23-04-2004, 04:37
This tank is slowly begining to replace older T-80UM3 Black Eagle models as the main Haaregradian Medium Battle Tank.

T-118 Hussar

Primary Function: Main Battle Tank
Contractor: Kuznetsov Motor Carridge OKB
Power Plant: 1650hp gas turbine/electric powerplant
Length: 22'11" (7.0 meters)
Height: 7'(2.13 meters)
Width: 12'2" (3.72 meters)
Speed: Forward Onroad 51 mph (82kph)
Weight: 105 822lbs (48 000kg)
Range: 325 miles (525 km)
Armor:
>Turret: 940-960(1120-1300) mm
>Upper Front Turret: 510-540(1410-1520) mm
>Lower Front Hull: 720-750(1200) mm
>Glacis: 820(1480) mm
>Mantle: 720-740(960-1090) mm
Armament:
>Main Gun: 135mm liquid propellant smoothbore cannon
>Coaxial Cannon: 30mm
>Coaxial Machine Gun: 1 x 7.62mm
>Anti-Personnel Machine Guns: 1 x 7.62mm, 1 x 12.7mm
>Light Mortar: 60mm
>Optional Weapons: 2x 20mm cannons fitted to the turret sides
Unit cost: $ 8 500 000USD
Crew: 3
Notes:
-fitted with a crewless turret
-top machine guns can be fired from within the crew cabin
-fitted with Shtora-2 and ARENA mk.3 self defence system
-uses Mithral Armor System, cutting weight to 85% yet offering 115% the protection
-fitted with ultra-low maintenance treads, requiring 50% fewer hours of maintenance
-fitted with new and improved auto-loader, enabling a firing rate of 40 rounds per minute(limited to 3 round burst)
-carries all 40 rounds readied in three selectable magazines, 20, 10 and 10
-the engine is in the front, for all the reasons proven in the older Merkava tank

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Alcona and Hubris
23-04-2004, 05:23
*Tag* To keep up on what our neighbor is up to...

(Wonders if sometimes people get confused with similar aircraft designs patroling the Marx Sea.)
Soviet Haaregrad
23-04-2004, 05:51
A-21A Katana

Primary Function: Close Air Support and Counter Insurgency Aircraft
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 2x TF933-140-DV 14 000lbs vectoring dry thrust turbofan
Length: 46'10"
Height: 15'9"(4.8 meters)
Wingspan: 60'
Ceiling: 32 810' (10 000 meters)
Speed: 620 mph (997 km/h)
Ferry Range: 2 000 miles(3 200km) on internal fuel
Empty Weight: 21 944lbs (9 945kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 44 990lbs (20 408kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-30-5/AT gattling cannon with 500 rounds, up to 5 000lbs(2 267kg) of internal and 12 000lbs(5 443kg) of external stores including AA-11 Adder, all Haaregradian ATGMs many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $25 000 000USD
Crew: 1
Notes:
-replacement for the A-39A/B Sturmovik II
-able to carry armaments internally for operations in opposed conditions, under conditions of air-superiority fuel can be carried interally with additional external armanents
-state of the art electronics suite
-64 bit computer
-terrain-following radar
-high-resolution FLIR
-high-resolution TV
-advanced ECM suite
-combat databus system allowing aircraft to communicate with each other and hand-off targets
-ALQ-224 Peeker Seeker advanced radar location system
-advanced nav/attack systems
-designed to operate under all weather conditions and at night
http://home.ripway.com/2004-2/68292/YA-21Katana.gif
Soviet Haaregrad
28-04-2004, 04:58
T-112 Paladin

Primary Function: Main Battle Tank
Contractor: Kuznetsov Motor Carridge OKB
Power Plant: 1650hp gas turbine/electric powerplant
Length: 27'10" (8.5 meters)
Height: 7'3" (2.2 meters)
Width: 12'2" (3.72 meters)
Speed: Forward Onroad 45 mph (72kph)
Weight: 149 914lbs (68 000kg)
Range: 325 miles (525 km)
Armour:
>Turret: 940-960(1120-1300) mm
>Upper Front Turret: 510-540(1410-1520) mm
>Lower Front Hull: 720-750(1200) mm
>Glacis: 820(1480) mm
>Mantle: 720-740(960-1090) mm
Armament:
>Main Gun: 135mm liquid propellant smoothbore cannon
>Coaxial Cannon: 30mm
>Coaxial Machine Gun: 1 x 7.62mm
>Anti-Personnel Machine Guns: 1 x 7.62mm, 1 x 12.7mm
>Light Mortar: 60mm
>Optional Weapons: 2x 20mm cannons fitted to the turret sides
Unit cost: $ 9 000 000USD
Crew: 3
Notes:
-fitted with a crewless turret
-top machine guns can be fired from within the crew cabin
-able to carry up to eight infantry troops
-fitted with Shtora-3 and ARENA mk.3 self defence system
-Shtora-3 is an improved version of http://www.armor.yurteh.net/fofanov/Tanks/EQP/shtora.html
-Arena Mk. 3 is an improved version of http://www.armor.yurteh.net/fofanov/Tanks/EQP/arena.html
-uses Mithral Armor System, cutting weight to 85% yet offering 115% the protection
-in addition the T-112 Paladin mounts Kontakt-5 ERA
-see: http://www.armor.yurteh.net/fofanov/Tanks/EQP/kontakt5.html
-fitted with ultra-low maintenance treads, requiring 50% fewer hours of maintenance
-fitted with new and improved auto-loader, enabling a firing rate of 40 rounds per minute(limited to 3 round burst)
-carries all 50 rounds readied in three selectable magazines, 25, 15 and 10
-designed to be the most survivable tank in use
-engine, motor and battery is in the front, providing additional protection for crew if hit
-ammunition is stored in the crewless turret, significantly reducing chance of injury if the turret is pieced and ammunition detonates
-armoured bulkheads seperate all major compartments
-special camouflage paint distorts the tank's IR, visual and radar signatures

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