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Yes before I speak my bit I have accused of being a shameless copycat, a bad RP'er, even at times a "A Godmoder". However this is my view on what the rest of NS claims to have but has yet to back up the promise, "Originality". (Yes this is the player who created the nation Mishakal)

Here that is a very loaded and complex word, ever since the creation of NS you had to have an Original theme for your nation, your characters, your government, your RP, etc. In the beginning times when the forums were so crappy that it took 15 minutes to load a page and CANNOT BE FOUND errors were the norm there was plenty of Original Ideas, the first Elvish nation Menelmacar and Melkor Unchained (the Enemy of the Earth) the formation of the WorldDisk around Saturn, the Collectivist nation of Peoples Anthill, and a little bit later when Resi Corp became the first major Corporate Government. These were original ideas and I give credit to the people who came up with these plotlines.

However now in NS there are a billion Petty Dictatorships, a very large number of Corporate-Governments, Space-Tech Empires, Monarchies, an endless number of Tolkien Elvish Empires, several Collectives, a now dying WorldDisk (hey Menelmacar, Dread Lady Nathicana and SLAGlands have left it so who is left?) a while bunch of Theocracies, several anarchist states, and more democracies and republics than you can shake a stick at.

In this world where every single plotline and every single angle of RL issues have been translated into NS what may I ask is left? When I came on as Mishakal I can admit that I was a bit of a GODMODER however this was my first attemp at RolePlay and due to everyones horrible treatment of me I had to learn the ropes on my own (though I still can't RP a good War Epic to save my life), two nations called Kecha and Teritora (though if I have left anyone out of my thank you list tell me) were kind enough to help and learn good RP along with me and I think that our bond is pretty tight.

However everyone else treated me like crap, when I remade Mishakal so it would make more sense (and base it on my favorite video games and storylines) and built it up with a potpourri of ideas for other sources and changed them around to suit my needs a lot of people laughed at me and continued to call me a GODMODER when THEY WERE DOING THE SAME DAMM THING. This place has been a hard trail of human hypocristy and elitism but I'm still here trying to explore new ideas (which brings me back on topic). But I have to ask myself, "What is Original?" every theme has been explored, every kind of RP from Fantasy RP, War, Peace, Love, Hate, Death, Life, Birth, Murder, Betrayl, Insanity, Chaos, Order, etc. has been fully explored.

There is no limit to human creativity and thought, but we are limited by the resources of this website that has now reached it's limit. I fear that we can only pray and sqeeze out the last drops of Originality before moving on. I fear that unless something is done that all the old-timers will die out. We are fading and I fear that even after this message no one will see it but me. I'm done now.

Bah. People say the same thing about music too. I mean there are only 12 tones in the western harmonic system, how many more combinations can there be? No music can be original anymore? But it can.

Similarly, just because at some point it became fashionable to have a corporate government in RP (in the game, I think it was fashionable from the start, but not RP'd a whole lot until April or so), that doesn't mean there can be no originality or interest or doing that well. Given the usual quality of RP ideas and such, I daresay that we haven't quite reached the limits of creativity yet and exhausted every idea never come up with.

An interesting outlook. However, there are still a few ideas that have not been tapped. I have not seen a 1984-style government in a long while, and a few of the newcomers have some really good ideas for alternate realities. Perhaps NS is becoming dry, perhaps it will die out one day, but until then, there's still new, flavorful ideas out there.

Originality on NationStates lol.

The only detail here is that the term you use as Originality is wrongfully used. Creativity is not the act of making up new things from nothing, it is the act of combinating knowledge in order to oxigenate it and have a different form of it. As the process repeats itself, you end up having an "original idea" that is, in the end, modifications of previous ones.

However, I do understand where are you going, and, saddly, it has a certain degree of truth. Nationstates has a vast history of happenings, that have begun to repeat themselves. But that is not the problem. The problem is how are they repeating.

We can divide the roleplaying community in here into three main groups: Reiterative RPers, Continuous RPers and Inducting RPers.
The first ones are the ones you are aiming towards, the ones that do little more than reusing old ideas and events over and over. While this is impossible to avoid, Reiterative RPers do little or nothing to give a new twist to that idea, thus making the enviroment monotonous and unatractive for new roleplays.
Second we have the Continuous ones, perhaps the most common in NS. These are the ones that bring new ideas to the game at a zero degree, but that compensate the lack of new material with a good ability to blend into already going ones. By itself, a Continuous RPer can do little. But once they can get into bigger numbers, the constant slight modifications of the main idea serve to give freshness and a steady movement to the game.
Finnaly, we have the Inducting RPers, the fewer but most important ones. They are usually known by large numbers of other rpers, as for they tend to be the main boilers of new ideas and fresh material. Most great organizations in NS are usually spawned from these types of rpers. Great and interesting conflicts, new inventions and projects, famous meetings and a wide host of other elements are created by these ones, to which other rpers can them blend in, thus creating the good roleplaying games we see from time to time around here.

Is originality for its own sake worth that much? I hope most people create nations they enjoy playing, not just nations they feel other people are going to gape in awe at. So what if an idea has already been done? It's new to the person who starts exploring it in his/her own way...

does your premise have to be original? no, and i think it's better if it isn't because what will make your nation's character is how you solve problems, not the back story that you write up on your own. i'm not impressed by corporate governments (Gibson made those up), elven nations (oldest trick in the fantasy book), space nations (oldest trick in the sci fi book) or a government taken over by socialists (oldest trick in my book). i am interested in how people come up with solutions to things like:

i just threw out the capitalist oppressors, but now nobody will sell me power or food since my currency is worthless. what do i do?

or:

my economy is in a slump because i can't attract investors since there are terrorists in my nation, who become terrorists because the economy sucks. what do i do?

or:

Iesus Christi keeps trying to invade me. what do i do?

or:

insert your problem here.

THAT'S where originality comes from. enjoy.

Your initial reply has been written, as you later cover from the feeling that you were perhaps 'hard done by' during your time as Mishakal, and that though you made some mistakes you were not given the chances you felt you deserved. I feel that I must disagree, and disagree strongly. Not only were you continually reminded and chided over your choices and actions, you threw those back in the face of those that tried to help. You wrought actions you didn't have any inkling of, and refused to take the consequence[s]. I could point out URLs that would certainly lend this topic a bitter, rant like tag. But I'll decline. Your "reputation." could have been unsullied if you had taken the longer, harder route of trying to prove you had taken lessons onboard. But you simply continued on as a new nation with a new name. You yourself complain of originality, but your newer nations, including the one you posted this topic on would seem at first glance carbon copies of a dozen or so other elvish nations on NS. I have experience with you myself, as it is the dubious honour of yourself that you single handedly convinced me to abandon my former nation due to your total and utter arrogance, contempt and a refusal to listen to others. My own reply is turning into a rant in itself, but you are being extremely hypocritical in demanding respect and friendship though your attitude remains the same, your demeanour and intentions.

I am afriad that originality is something of a cliched term, and whilst you clearly have pre-set ideas of what is acceptably unique and what is not, yours are not universal.

I'm sure many others as myself, could back up and overturn each of your complaints that you were hard done by, shunned, and laughed at. But that would simply spiral this into an argument. All of us have been at one point "Noobs." I have, believe it or not, Siri at one point was not the colossal force she is nowadays. Dozens have passed through, aged and matured. Yet you have encountered such difficulties that only some sort of conspiracy against you or another fantastical explanation could pass away why you struggle.

Either way, time will pass on and you will either decide to mend your ways or not. I hope for the latter.



-Kaenei's Player.

Well, i tend to be fairly original... I don't sell anything anyone else makes.

Maybe 2 or 3 things total, that's it.

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rsig1.jpg (http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/)

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/ccsig.jpg (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=69082)

In the beginning times when the forums were so crappy that it took 15 minutes to load a page and CANNOT BE FOUND errors were the norm there was plenty of Original Ideas, the first Elvish nation Menelmacar and Melkor Unchained (the Enemy of the Earth)

Nitpick: Unless one or both of them is JRR Tolkien in real life, those aren't original ideas. 8)

You don't have to be completely original to be good. There are many nations that are based on some outside source yet are good RPers. It helps to be original (which, in practice, mainly means drawing from multiple sources and blending them in a different way), but it's not prerequisite.

You were accused of godmoding not for lack of originality, but for such things as nanite swarms that converted incoming attacks into consumer goods and a "vast space empire" maintained by a Basket Case economy. You were also accused of lack of originality for basing your nation entirely on Dune, Final Fantasy X, and a couple of other sources (including directly taking characters, plotlines, and full stories from those sources). But the one does not really relate to the other, except in a rather nebulous way.

But back to the point. Originality of plotline and character are good. People get sick of seeing "All (X) in (Country Y) executed!" 10 times a day. That's not original, and it usually shows. On the other hand, when you put some effort into something different, you might end up with a thread like the World Cups, or the Winter Ball that's currently running. And it's much more interesting to interact with characters with believable strengths, weaknesses, and flaws than with the Divine Avatar of Absolute Perfection Through Shameless Retcons.

So, yeah, think about it.

[Relatively off-topic bragging]I believe I was the first nation that is an insane socialistic theocracy. And I was the first nation with catpeople. [jocular gloating]And of course, all the others are just copying me :wink:[/jocular gloating][/Relatively off-topic bragging]

What were we talking about, again? 8)

Tiburon's tech= a GIANT ripoff on Gundam Wing
Tiburon's RPing= pure skillz

Hey, we're one of the first Simpson nations!

*patents idea*

Hah!

Hey, we're one of the first Simpson nations!

*patents idea*

Hah!

Ravenspire: No one tried to help me, they gave me criticism and told me to conform to the "rules" that seem to squash creativity and original thought (Have you seen a single RP lately that has isn't a carbon copy of something someone else did: Though I am trying to get an RP about a Senator being accused of child molestation going and the big court case that follows but no one seems interested).

Kaenei: Who are you?

I played this game about a year ago, ran three small countries for a while just to get the feel of things, then left them all to perish. I didn't do a lot of rp-ing, but reading the boards and inserting the occasional post was enough entertainment for me.

Now I have created a new nation, and I don't know exactly what it's going to end up looking like (Bliskinir is the name of Thor's home in Norse mythology btw).
So lets say i go on a bunch of viking style raids with my fledgling nation against other fledgling nations (in accordance with my namesake) in order to garner some much needed resources.
How am I to know whether this course of action is original? Surely not by reading all of the posts that have been made up to this point.
The point is, trying to detirmine originality is rendered hopeless simply by the staggering volume of information here at NS. Therefore it seems that the idea of worrying about originality is pretty much a futile gesture, and not at all relavent to the actual playing of the game.

That's my two cents...or three or whatever...
can't give too many away, my nation needs everything it can get ;)

If you stick around for a month you will see that most of the RP's are carbon copies of other people's stuff (I can admit that I do a lot of that but only because I have already done the whole Interdimentional Reality thing; I.E. Mishakal) with bursts of creative new ideas that used to be weekly, now they are monthly.

Which is why I posted this topic in the first place, I'm trying to get people's creativity flowing once more.

The reason you get mocked is your continual insistence on having it all your way, refusing to accept consequences for your actions, thinking you can do outrageous things and that everyone will just accept them, ripping off other players directly (couldn't care less about using other works outside of NS as inspiration - lots of people do that), and resorting to cursing out everyone out who doesn't agree with you, and promptly ignoring anything that inconveniences you.

Lots of people tried to help, in numerous threads. The fact that you failed to acknowledge it, and chose to whine and bitch rather than step back and think for a moment, really ought to tell you something. If you recall, I've even rp'ed with you on some things that were fun, like that lil religion/goddess bit. Now see, that was done well. It's your attitude and your delivery that ends up biting you in the ass. And your insistence that you can do whatever you want without consequence.

I'm sorry that your experience has been less than pleasant. Truth, we've all run into situations that didn't go our way, or where we've done stupid things (I recall my entrance onto the forums, being rather uninformed and such, and learning pretty quick from those mistakes and using it to an advantage - I certainly didn't take it personal when confronted and set straight on a few things. Yes, me.) Bottom line is, you've done enough damage to your reputation with your other rather bad behaviour, that nowadays folks tend to look askance at you when you come up with new things. It's called 'consequences of your actions' and 'sleeping in the bed you've made for yourself'.

I'd like to see you play, and have fun with things, and be able to play the nations you want to play, regardless of where you draw your inspiration from (so long as you're not blatantly ripping off other players. That's really in bad taste). But you're going to have to step back and take a look at -how- you're running them, and what you're saying to folks, and taking accountability for ic actions like the rest of us. That's how this works. If all you want is to write stories, fine and well - put that in your post, and call it good. Otherwise, you're going to have to learn how to play with others. I wish you luck with it.

--Nathi's Player


ps - we never pulled out of the WorldDisc, for ref. I've no idea what you're talking about there.

Uh Nathi no one except for a very, very small minority ever tried to be both polite AND help me, the other people who tried to "help" me were in basic like this "Look you dumb NOOB, this is how you do it and there is no deviation because I'm older than you and I have experience." How do you think I'm going to react to something like that? How would YOU react to that kind of attitude?

I am able to play with others just fine, but when they think they can force me into something I don't wish to do those people have another thing comming.

Also note that I only treat people the way they treat me, treat me like shit, expect the same in return.

Also I did have always been forced into screaming and yelling at people here because they refused to even consider my needs, my wants, and my thoughts and ideas in RP's THEY wanted me to do. Sorry if being ignored and forced into someone elses formula pisses me off but it does.

That is all I can say on the subject, and I still think that Nathicana would make fore a good religious figure (deity wise)

Mishakal... look. New ideas are all well and good, and have been brought in to these forums, but even Siri and Melkor are just taking stuff from Tolkien. I'm fairly sure that the Worldisc is taken from something else, or it's just Angelus's version of B5/everyother big space station. It is very hard to come up with a truly orginal idea, and I don't really expect people too.

And Mishakal, to add on to Nathi's great lil post there, you did kinda have a few hundred SDs try to attack my fleet, and no one will accept the DG style of RP anymore.

. . . and no one will accept the DG style of RP anymore.
DG?

SD's? DG's?

Drum Gods style of RolePlay is best summed up by his quote, "I don't RP, I annex."

SD=Star Destoyers. lemme see if that thread's been purged yet.

It's one of these :
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71151&highlight=
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71199&highlight=
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71927&highlight=
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=71215&highlight=

Ravenspire: No one tried to help me, they gave me criticism
"Constructive Criticism" is a term you should know.

(Have you seen a single RP lately that has isn't a carbon copy of something someone else did:

The Martian War.

Space-Tech Empires

Actually I was one of, if not the first Space-Tech Empire. I was in space before Yut!

And my RP's are not "carbon copies" of anything. Some are more closely related than anything (A current one started out as a Resident Evil tribute) but like that current one, they branch out and become their own. My Warheit Saga is entirely original, minus the character pictures.

An interesting outlook. However, there are still a few ideas that have not been tapped. I have not seen a 1984-style government in a long while, and a few of the newcomers have some really good ideas for alternate realities. Perhaps NS is becoming dry, perhaps it will die out one day, but until then, there's still new, flavorful ideas out there.

You haven't? I must try harder...

then again, my ruler actually exists... :?

Hmmm...

I think myself to RP fairly well and try to be creative.

I live on a giant ring orbiting the earth and THAT isn't even original (Halo, Ringworld)!

"Nothing is original, its just re-wrapped and put in a diffrent box."

Before anyone accuses me of unoriginality,

Read this. If anyone has done anything even remotely similar before on NS, I'll eat my hat. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101706)

Although my nation is based on the ideals of the Free Software Foundation, I feel that it is original. I have taken RP ideias from things such as the Kennedy Assination, Watergate, and the Austin Powers movies, but this was done mostly in parody.

OOC: Basically, I play my nation as how a real-life nation would react to events in the NS universe. This also means that I don't have the final say in how the story develops. I may influence it to varying degrees, try to forecast my opponent's next move, but the outcome is ever in doubt.

I think that most people don't play it that way.

Besides, it's not like real life history is full of incredibly uniques ideas. History is a series of cycles and bound to repeat itself.

Before anyone accuses me of unoriginality,

Read this. If anyone has done anything even remotely similar before on NS, I'll eat my hat. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101706)
Well, I guess nowadays so many ideas have already been used in RP, people must now resort to R/NC-17/XXX rated stories to use in RP. :P

Damn...

*looks at hat. Has picture of Siri on it*

Sigh.

*Eats hat*

Ha! I ate Siri's head! That felt... surprisingly good.

Interesting. My nation's concept is, in some respects, one of the least original out there. I mean, it doesn't get much less original than strict modern tech, does it? Nevertheless, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anything in my RP that appears to be a cheap imitation of someone else's work. The premise may be ordinary, almost mundane, but I feel like that gives me more freedom to be original in execution than those who play a future or fantasy setting. Created races are often subject to stereotypes. Real human beings, in real circumstances, are unpredictable and unique.

Not sure where I was going with that, really. Maybe just trying to point out, in a roundabout way, that originality isn't really in the role you play, it's what you do with that role. After all, Iesus Christi didn't get all his recognition by being the first facist nation on NS. He did something with his facist nation. He made it really believable and compelling, and everyone ICly hated him for it. And they've hated him ever since. That's why we love him OOCly. To a greater or lesser degree, the same goes for Menelmacar as an elvish nation, The People's Anthill as a collectivist nation, and all the rest. In the position of IC, Menelmacar, or TPA, many other players would have failed anyway, and in fact many of them did, because they didn't have what it took to make it compelling.

That's really all I've got. I doubt that helped much, but maybe I've managed to clear something up for someone.

This thread has achieved everything I wanted it to, it got people more Creatively aware of their Role Play and at least a few people are working as hard as ever to sqeeze the last bits of originality here. But creatively who knows what NS will come out with next.

...and at least a few people are working as hard as ever to sqeeze the last bits of originality here.

I'm baffled by your continued insistence that creativity is dead here. Nothing could be further from the truth. Of the RPs started by veterans in the last couple of months, I've seen very few that could be called carbon copies of anything. Perhaps if you could give some solid reasons for your view of the situation, I'd have an easier time understanding where you're coming from.

Ravenspire: No one tried to help me, they gave me criticism

Criticism is help. How do you expect to improve if your mistakes aren't pointed out to you?

and told me to conform to the "rules" that seem to squash creativity and original thought


They don't, unless your idea of "creativity" is doing utterly ridiculous things that blow away other people's suspension of disbelief. Like the aforementioned nanites.

The rules, such as they are, promote creativity. So you want to have a vast space empire, but you're stuck with a Basket Case economy. Instead of whining about how the rules are squashing your RP, you should be RPing. Reach out to other small nations for joint research. Ask another nation whether you can send a researcher on one of that nation's vessels next time they launch a space mission. Develop trade treaties to improve your economy. Hell, have your ruler barter 10% of your population into effective slavery in return for a couple of old spaceships, if that's the approach you want to take. Those could all be good stories, but you won't get any of them if you ignore the commonly-accepted rules, such as "Basket Case economies do not have extra quadrillions of dollars floating around their budgets." (And incidentally, doing all of the above gives you time to try to improve that economic standing, so you'll eventually be able to stand on your own.) And once you do one or more of those things, don't pretend that it's over. There might be repercussions. If you sell your population into slavery for spaceships, and some nation takes offense, that's another quandary for you: do you stand your ground and risk sanctions, or do you cave in and try to find your spaceships elsewhere? Maybe you could get some development help from that country in exchange for cancelling the slave trade. Or maybe if you resist, the nation you're supplying slaves to will step in to protect you. You can't control the story, at least not entirely.

This was your problem: You wanted things your way, and you wanted them without delay. But your nation didn't have the stats to back it, so your RP was seen as ridiculous. Then you ignored any advice anyone offered you and insisted on going ahead with it, so they eventually ignored you wholesale.

(Have you seen a single RP lately that has isn't a carbon copy of something someone else did


Yes. A number of them, actually. How about the death of Empress Joanna of Lavenrunz? The football World Cup? My own "Way of the Fox" thread? (Well, that's not exactly an RP, per se.) The cyberspace thread involving Zero-One? Should I go on?

I must be getting to bed, but I must say that my country is probably the only centuries-old Southeast Asian Rescue Ranger-loving Catholic republic (with Crusader origins) in NS. :D

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Space-Tech Empires

Actually I was one of, if not the first Space-Tech Empire. I was in space before Yut!

And my RP's are not "carbon copies" of anything. Some are more closely related than anything (A current one started out as a Resident Evil tribute) but like that current one, they branch out and become their own. My Warheit Saga is entirely original, minus the character pictures.


We were in space in January.

Space-Tech Empires

Actually I was one of, if not the first Space-Tech Empire. I was in space before Yut!


We were in space in January.

We were in space in November. Er, last November.

...Do I win anything? 8)

A really big cookie. Please send $3,000 for shipping/handling to KCTS KookieWerks, Titan, Saturn.

Mmm, cookie.

Bleh, people complain about originality. Well guess what - originality is overrated.

It's all about the packaging. Think of it as a brand new product going to market. It doesn't do squat if you can't get people to buy it, no matter how great it is, or how many things it can do besides whiten your teeth. It's the same with RP, you can get people to go with anything you put down, so long as they are convinced by your words.

So I say again - Originality is overrated!

So is being "the first" or <insert every other claim of uniquness and whatnot>

The first shall come last, and the last shall come first.
- I forget who

The first shall come last, and the last shall come first.
- I forget who

I believe that was Jesus, from the Sermon on the Mount.

...or I could be wrong. It's late.

The first shall come last, and the last shall come first.
- I forget who

I believe that was Jesus, from the Sermon on the Mount.

...or I could be wrong. It's late.

I remember it being part of some religiously themed fable (or whatever its called).

Basically, this dude goes around town hiring people to work in his fields for money. He hires a bunch in the morning for some amount of money. He hires some later in the afternoon for the same amount. And then the same latter in the evening, again for the same amount. And when it came time to pay the people, he gave out money to those who he hired last. The ones who were hired in the morning started bitchin' and moanin' about how they did more work, were there all day, etc, etc. And he replied that he hired them to work in the fields for a certain amount of money and they agreed. Not to mention that this is his money, and he can do whatever he wants with it.

Apparently, the moral of the story is that faith is like that. You get the same treatment whether you were pious your whole life, or you repented with your last breath of life.

But...this could also have been a parody on some other story........I just quote religious sounding stuff, I don't pay attention to it :wink:

Basically, this dude goes around town hiring people to work in his fields for money. He hires a bunch in the morning for some amount of money. He hires some later in the afternoon for the same amount. And then the same latter in the evening, again for the same amount. And when it came time to pay the people, he gave out money to those who he hired last. The ones who were hired in the morning started bitchin' and moanin' about how they did more work, were there all day, etc, etc. And he replied that he hired them to work in the fields for a certain amount of money and they agreed. Not to mention that this is his money, and he can do whatever he wants with it.


That would be one of Jesus's parables :wink:

Cool, well now I know.

Damn...I know too much religious crap..........*must cleanse mind of all subversive material*...........Jesus who? :lol:

My entire army has not one human soldier, its all warbeasts created for that purpose. I suppose that makes my military original, otherwise my nation is just a hellish dictatorship. Luckily for me its not a small one so I can throw my weight around if I needed to.

All this moaning about "originality" should be tempered by the fact most NSers base their nation on historical nations, science fiction, current nations and even other RPs systems (Warhammer, D&D, etc).

This is just a really a chat forum where ordinary net users can meet and play our fantasy nations. It is not the Mecca of creativity about possible shape of future nations.

Space-Tech Empires

Actually I was one of, if not the first Space-Tech Empire. I was in space before Yut!


We were in space in January.

We were in space in November. Er, last November.

...Do I win anything? 8)

:? Well...

*changes slogan*

"We were in space before the majority of Yut!*

:wink:

the formation of the WorldDisk around Saturn,
You're thinking of the dyson ring.
The dyson ring and the WorldDisc are two completely different things.


And Angelus's WorldDisc is just fine.

Space-Tech Empires

Actually I was one of, if not the first Space-Tech Empire. I was in space before Yut!


We were in space in January.

We were in space in November. Er, last November.

...Do I win anything? 8)

:? Well...

*changes slogan*

"We were in space before the majority of Yut!*

:wink:

*Old man*
"Bah, we were dancing the void before you were conceived."
:wink:

the formation of the WorldDisk around Saturn,
You're thinking of the dyson ring.
The dyson ring and the WorldDisc are two completely different things.


And Angelus's WorldDisc is just fine.

Originality in NS doesn't have to come through huge nations and systems of government. There are plenty of highly original characters floating around the RPs, and even of those which aren't original *looks accusingly at the innumerable vampires* many are played well enough to be compelling... basically the point made about Iesus Christi earlier. My nation is horribly unoriginal - just your basic economically powerful anarchy - but my main RP character is, I like to think, fairly original. I mean, how many other "schizophrenic English gentleman who shapeshifts into a spiky homicidal monster which collects souls" characters have YOU seen?

Mishakal, another reason people ignore you or cry "Godmoder" has a lot to do with your conduct. Speaking as a mod, you have been warned before for flaming, and if memory serves correctly, I think you had a nation deleted for such.

People don't want to roleplay with somebody who's going to get all offended and flaming when they're critiqued and flaws are pointed out. Giant space empires don't come instantly- hell, it took me some three months in real time to develop my first NS spaceship and the technologies that go with it.

You can't just post that "Oh, hey, here I am, and I have all this stuff!", and expect people to buy it. Roleplaying is give and take- things do not always go the way you want them to, that's where stories and 'originality' comes from- Taking ideas and putting them together in various ways, and then putting some good spin on it.

~Rep

I was going through my old threads when I came across this one and my thoughts about what Rep said.

1. Your memory doesn't serve very well, not a single one of my countries was deleted by the Mods for rule violation, I gave away Mishakal and other countries overtime have been deleted due to inactivity but never rule violation.

2. I can take criticism but I will not accept "Oh your too little to do this, this and that, by the way since I don't like you I just sent in two Giant Gravships and took you over and you can't ignore me, I'm *insert uber nation here*" I won't accept that and a couple of countries tried that, I won't mention names *cough*Menelmacar*cough*.

3. And I just HATE to break this to you but I don't have three months to waste to build one spaceship as I DO have a life beyond my computer.

4. As for Mishakal I DID take good ideas and spun them together but for some reason everyone here worries over the tiny details without the ability to enjoy the RP and screamed at me because I can enjoy things without worring about all the tiny details that go with it.

Unfortunaly there is no such thing as creativity, everything you want to say has been said before. But that doesn't stop you from saying it, look at the librarys of work writen on the human emotoin of love, the epics of war, of death, betrayal, man against man, nature, everyting has been done before, or touched on, however, human creativity is making the old new again. just something to chew on.

1. Your memory doesn't serve very well, not a single one of my countries was deleted by the Mods for rule violation, I gave away Mishakal and other countries overtime have been deleted due to inactivity but never rule violation.

Well, I do recall warning one of your incarnations for flaming, so my memory does not entirely fail me.

3. And I just HATE to break this to you but I don't have three months to waste to build one spaceship as I DO have a life beyond my computer.

Are you insinuating that I don't?

3. And I just HATE to break this to you but I don't have three months to waste to build one spaceship as I DO have a life beyond my computer.

Are you insinuating that I don't?

Yeah... are you?

There ain't nothing wrong with spending 4 months on a planetary defense system. I'm still doing it and I have a life.

*readies brass knuckles*

2. I can take criticism but I will not accept "Oh your too little to do this, this and that, by the way since I don't like you I just sent in two Giant Gravships and took you over and you can't ignore me, I'm *insert uber nation here*" I won't accept that and a couple of countries tried that, I won't mention names *cough*Menelmacar*cough*.
Well, I confess. I'm not terribly fond of it either. I wasn't very kind to Western Asia when he suggested I couldn't have developed a tank as a new nation. It seems horribly arbitrary to me, and not at all fair.

On the other hand, I was able to find people who were willing to accept my role-play and my claims without much complaint. I didn't make any expansive claims attempting to affect The Entire World, and I didn't make any cheap knockoffs (like a tiny little nation named Yut) to attract attention. I just discussed my role-play with the folks I wanted to play with and had fun.

Frankly, Mush, you're guilty of grandstanding. You're making all sorts of outrageous attempts so people will notice you. Congratulations, you've attracted lots of attention. Sorry it isn't favorable attention, but that's what you get. Don't TELL us how cool you are, SHOW us. Give us good RP, not cheap knockoffs.

3. And I just HATE to break this to you but I don't have three months to waste to build one spaceship as I DO have a life beyond my computer.
Well cry me a river. Writing is an artform. Rush it and you get lousy results. If you can't take the time it requires to earn the respect of your fellow gamers, then don't game. I haven't seen anything worth following in any of your writing, and I don't really expect that to change. Show me something that doesn't involve butchering someone else's ideas and I'll play. Don't create a Brave New World when you don't understand the difference between an Alpha and an Epsilon.

4. As for Mishakal I DID take good ideas and spun them together but for some reason everyone here worries over the tiny details without the ability to enjoy the RP and screamed at me because I can enjoy things without worring about all the tiny details that go with it.
It's all in the presentation. You took established ideas, threw a thin veneer over them and called them original. Then you reacted in shock and dismay when everybody saw through the disguise. You need to be a bit more subtle and thoughtful in your RP if you're going to rip off other people's ideas. Nothing I've done has been terribly original either, but no one seems to have noticed or at least bothered to comment.

Writing takes practice, and you clearly need more of it. I'm afraid this is relevant because your writing technique (or lack of it) turns people off from your RP. It's cruel, perhaps, but a fact. Learn to invite people to RP with you rather than beat them over the head with it. Learn to accept criticism and be willing to make changes rather than assume the role of the martyr. No one agrees, and no one cares.

Good luck.

3. And I just HATE to break this to you but I don't have three months to waste to build one spaceship as I DO have a life beyond my computer.
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Considering she has a possibilty to get a foot in the door at a major CGA company due to her Doga work, I'd say the time hasn't been wasted. (sorry Rep, deat this if you don't want others to know. I think it's hella tight)

(EDIT BY REP: Nah, s'cool. And the company is Sony, btw. But yeah, I try not to gloat too much about stuff like that ^_^;;; )


4. As for Mishakal I DID take good ideas and spun them together but for some reason everyone here worries over the tiny details without the ability to enjoy the RP and screamed at me because I can enjoy things without worring about all the tiny details that go with it.Tiny details?
I'm sure a missile defense shield of nanobots that turned nuclear warheads into consumer goods, the very defining example of nanowank, doesn't fall under the "I didn't notice the "small" details" clause.