NationStates Jolt Archive

For wars that is. It is utterly dumb to say you can't fight in this war. You can respectfully ask to deal with Nation X yourself, but you can't prevent Nation Y from helping you, or Nation X. For other RPs, I can see it, but for wars, no.

Well, the people that are excluding you can just make themselves be on the other side of the massively swollen NS Earth, so anything you get to them will be godmodding, no matter what. Oh, the wonders of freeform RP! Oh, and if they don't want you in their war, don't enter it. It's not rewarding, it's not fun, and it's not polite. And I've just been kicked offline so I won't have the first response to this thread.

Or maybe I will.

For wars that is. It is utterly dumb to say you can't fight in this war. You can respectfully ask to deal with Nation X yourself, but you can't prevent Nation Y from helping you, or Nation X. For other RPs, I can see it, but for wars, no.

Closed wars keep the RP better... and more organized. It's more of a technical thing than an IC action y'know. I wouldn't want some n00b coming in and roleplaying terribly (but not godmoding) in a serious war roleplay.

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I understand where Aquilla is coming from. It truly is very unrealistic. But then again it is Free Form RP, so people can close them if they want. While I accept the fact that people close their RP's that doesn't mean I agree with it.

:roll: C'est La Vie.

Noob nation: Hahahaha I f1r3 5 m1ll10n NUK3S AT JOOO! LOL!!!!11!!1!!!

^Thats the reason we have closed rp's. If it is such a big deal to you, then you can always ask one of the players if you can join in.

Not to mention having masses of combatants would leave physically no room to maneuver, not to mention you probably couldn't even spit over the side without hitting someone else's ships. :lol:

Not to mention having masses of combatants would leave physically no room to maneuver, not to mention you probably couldn't even spit over the side without hitting someone else's ships. :lol:

Eh, the only quam I have with is the fact that its unrealistic. I completely understand why they are necessary...

OOC: This is what happens when there is a open RP.


1) Someone writes a well thought out RP
2) Good RPers begin RPing and interacting with each other
3) Conflicts or wars begin
4) Noob's (Old and Young :roll: ) see the thread
5) They put up bullshit posts like "I attack your country with 3242342342 soldiers, 234532 tanks, and 34245 F-15's :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: "
6) More and more Noobs see the thread and clog it up
7) Good RPers get pissed off and stop RPing and start flaming
8 ) You sorry a-- [insert comment]
9) Mod comes in and locks it
10) On another note, whenever I see this :arrow: :twisted: I always think of a noob :roll:

Closed RP is a must. With my previous nations I had so many RP's wrecked by n00b it just wasn't funny. The problem was that everyoen was happy with the rp but when we went to sleep the n00bed moved in for the kill in the space of 10hours i had a 2pages exceelnt quality rp tuen into 10pages of unter crap but n00b nation that had no idea what the war was about or how to RP.

lol, I use those when I buy things.


I will enjoy these, :twisted:

Another alternative is to say to them:

"Piss off, godmodder!"

I understand where Aquilla is coming from. It truly is very unrealistic. But then again it is Free Form RP, so people can close them if they want. While I accept the fact that people close their RP's that doesn't mean I agree with it.

:roll: C'est La Vie.

OOC: What is unrealistic is that nearly everyone goes to war at a drop of a hat. To limit this form of stupidity, closed RPs are necessary.

For example, let's say you and I were interacting for quite some time and then relations turned for the worst, eventually into war. Now, how realistic is it if Random N00b#25 jumps in and says, "I Killz you all!" It ruins the fun.

In real life, nations only act when they feel threatened or have their interests threatened. You don't see Mongolia stepping in if something happens between Tongo and Fiji. Basically, if a case can be made that Nation C should be helping out Nation B who is fighting Nation A then it should be left up to the main participants. It's as much a game mechanics issue as it is a "realism" issue.

Free form roleplay should not give license to idiotic and boorish behaviour.

-- Vrak's player

All I am saying is that in Real Life sometimes you can't pick your enemies!

Nationstates is like Pre-WWI Europe, so many alliances and defense pacts that your bound to be fighting more than one nation.

Did the Germans say to the Russians, "Sorry, this is a closed War" ?

All I am saying is that in Real Life sometimes you can't pick your enemies!

Nationstates is like Pre-WWI Europe, so many alliances and defense pacts that your bound to be fighting more than one nation.

Did the Germans say to the Russians, "Sorry, this is a closed War" ?

OOC:

Your example is poor since Russia did have interests in WWI. If you can prove to me that Mongolia would actually care that Tongo and Fiji are about to rumble then you might be able to sway me.

And yes, the mere fact that alliances and defense pacts abound in the NS universe should make people wary about declaring war. At least, one would think so. But some alliances and pacts are stronger than others for many nations it comes down to whether or not they can actually win (betting the odds) or what they have to gain from "honouring" their commitments.

All I am saying is that in Real Life sometimes you can't pick your enemies!

Nationstates is like Pre-WWI Europe, so many alliances and defense pacts that your bound to be fighting more than one nation.

Did the Germans say to the Russians, "Sorry, this is a closed War" ?

I'm gonna have to agree with Vrak here. While that's true, it's also true that this is a roleplaying game, and that the actual nations, no matter how well roleplayed, are roleplayed by individual players. And if said player is inept at roleplaying, and ruins the roleplay, and takes the fun out of it, then you have zero obligation to go along.

In other words, the Russians never said, "I N00K J00 ALL1!1! OMGZ EAT MY GRAVSHIPZ PLASMA CANNONZ!1!1"

All I am saying is that in Real Life sometimes you can't pick your enemies!

Nationstates is like Pre-WWI Europe, so many alliances and defense pacts that your bound to be fighting more than one nation.

Did the Germans say to the Russians, "Sorry, this is a closed War" ?

I'm gonna have to agree with Vrak here. While that's true, it's also true that this is a roleplaying game, and that the actual nations, no matter how well roleplayed, are roleplayed by individual players. And if said player is inept at roleplaying, and ruins the roleplay, and takes the fun out of it, then you have zero obligation to go along.

In other words, the Russians never said, "I N00K J00 ALL1!1! OMGZ EAT MY GRAVSHIPZ PLASMA CANNONZ!1!1"

1914: Russia declares war on Germany!

The Tzar: I a77aX w1v 1 000 000 Su 35MKIs with n00kz @ j00!!!!
Germany: Unfair! That's godmoding! This is a closed RP!!!!
Austria-Hungary: Piss off godmoder!
France: Topic locked!

Very very nice Soviet Haaregrad. (and the france part sounds extremely true) Must say *gives thumbs up* I bet thats what bush did to iraq.

OOC: I have to say, that Vrak post was one of the funnier I've read.

Anyway, it's just a game. People can play with who they like, so to speak.

1914: Russia declares war on Germany!

The Tzar: I a77aX w1v 1 000 000 Su 35MKIs with n00kz @ j00!!!!
Germany: Unfair! That's godmoding! This is a closed RP!!!!
Austria-Hungary: Piss off godmoder!
France: Topic locked!

OOC: Ah...the history that was never taught in school is finally revealed! Thanks Soviet Haaregrad!

But this raises an interesting line of inquiry; which moderator is France?

1914: Russia declares war on Germany!

The Tzar: I a77aX w1v 1 000 000 Su 35MKIs with n00kz @ j00!!!!
Germany: Unfair! That's godmoding! This is a closed RP!!!!
Austria-Hungary: Piss off godmoder!
France: Topic locked!

OOC: Ah...the history that was never taught in school is finally revealed! Thanks Soviet Haaregrad!

But this raises an interesting line of inquiry; which moderator is France?

Wouldn't you like to know? :P

I'm somewhat certain that this is in response to Fyreheart and my reaction to trying to enter our RP. And contrary to what has already been stated on this thread, closing RPs is not always for protection against n00bs, as was the case in said war RP.

It has been touched on, but I'd like to stress the fact that there are quite literally thousands of nations on NS. A smallish portion of those are good roleplayers, but a "smallish portion" of nearly 100,000 is quite a few. Fyreheart and I - the base opposing sides - have closed the RP to new members because with more than 10 people (and even that's a stretch) it's REALLY hard to have a good RP, regardless of the skill of those involved. The conflict I speak of already has some 14 or so nations in it, and it's already proving challenging. Think about it - WWII had a grand total of 6 dominant nations in it, and it was considered the largest war in Earth's history. Granted, NS Earth is larger, but unless every single war RPed is to become WWIII, some are going to have to be closed.

After all, lets face it - it's equally unrealistic that so many nations "jump on the bandwagon" of most wars. Even if it IS a democratic, free nation that's being attacked, it's likely on the other side of the world, with countries you're not familiar with, and your nation has little to no care about what happens to them. Just because you support someone, doesn't mean your nation should be willing to fight, pay through the nose, and die for complete strangers. Populations get quite sick of doing so - look at Vietnam and Korea. (and those are on a much smaller Earth)

So, right. I think in order to keep most RPs - war RPs especially - orderly, closed RPs are quite necessary, despite the RP quality of those attempting to join.

(end rant)

For wars that is. It is utterly dumb to say you can't fight in this war. You can respectfully ask to deal with Nation X yourself, but you can't prevent Nation Y from helping you, or Nation X. For other RPs, I can see it, but for wars, no.

The idea of having a closed RP, at least for me, is to keep the nation # as is so it doesn't get out of hand and to prevent those annoying n00bs from ruining it with OOC whining and chatter. I made mine private after a certain amount of time that gave nations a chance to either come or not and those that came are in, those that did not are not in.

Nothing wrong with closed RPs, in fact they are some of the best ones out there.

The best RP now occurs in so-called "closed" RPs because it discourages anyone who isn't really interested in the events being roleplayed to leave the thread alone.

The people who see the RP and really want to be part of it often post in the OOC thread and ask or send a telegram. Most of the time the nations involved in the closed RP are more than happy to welcome good RPers that show a real interest.

*notes that the author of this thread didn't even bother to read who was on each side*

Nice to know you're all such big fans of new RPers, bound to bring more people on board.

Take your point that it's rubbish if people trash the game, and speak entirely in numerical rant, but everyone's got to learn somewhere, and I don't seem to remember behaving like I was 6 when started out.

The reason new players will crash threads is that it takes experienced RPers to make it work well, a little gentle guidance, then the Ignore cannon would probably help.

It's not whether you're new or old, it's whether you're willing to behave in character without attempting to 'beat the game'.

Besides, we all came here to kick each others' asses, or we'd have stuck in NS.

lol, I use those when I buy things.


I will enjoy these, :twisted:

I use them if someone manages to p**s me off.

I'm somewhat certain that this is in response to Fyreheart and my reaction to trying to enter our RP. And contrary to what has already been stated on this thread, closing RPs is not always for protection against n00bs, as was the case in said war RP.

It has been touched on, but I'd like to stress the fact that there are quite literally thousands of nations on NS. A smallish portion of those are good roleplayers, but a "smallish portion" of nearly 100,000 is quite a few. Fyreheart and I - the base opposing sides - have closed the RP to new members because with more than 10 people (and even that's a stretch) it's REALLY hard to have a good RP, regardless of the skill of those involved. The conflict I speak of already has some 14 or so nations in it, and it's already proving challenging. Think about it - WWII had a grand total of 6 dominant nations in it, and it was considered the largest war in Earth's history. Granted, NS Earth is larger, but unless every single war RPed is to become WWIII, some are going to have to be closed.

After all, lets face it - it's equally unrealistic that so many nations "jump on the bandwagon" of most wars. Even if it IS a democratic, free nation that's being attacked, it's likely on the other side of the world, with countries you're not familiar with, and your nation has little to no care about what happens to them. Just because you support someone, doesn't mean your nation should be willing to fight, pay through the nose, and die for complete strangers. Populations get quite sick of doing so - look at Vietnam and Korea. (and those are on a much smaller Earth)

So, right. I think in order to keep most RPs - war RPs especially - orderly, closed RPs are quite necessary, despite the RP quality of those attempting to join.

(end rant)

Nah, this wasn't about you, you just triggered it. I've had several other war RP's refused and this pushed me over the top.

Okay, in conclusion:

IMO closed RPs are fine, but I am afraid that it will soon expand into "Oh I have no chance to win, so I'm going to ignore half of the people attacking me". I am cautious of de-evolution.