NationStates Jolt Archive

As of this moment, the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar withdraws from CENNA, which has turned out not to be so eternal after all. We will also be temporarily suspending trade to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, due to safety risks to our shipping, caused by rising tensions arising from incidents involving TROUSRS, Wolf Ville, Automagfreek and Mallberta. Currently-outstanding contracts will be honored but will not be renewed unless relations improve and the situation calms down by that time.

We realize that CENNA will be effectively rendered defunct by this decision; changing the Charter requires the assent of both Chancellors and one of those Chancellors, per the charter, must be Menelmacari. We are sure that it is, however, for the best; CENNA was, after all, counterproductive to Menelmacar-EOTED relations.

The Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar is, of course, open to the restoration of relations to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn on a bilateral basis.

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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Regent of Lavenrunz
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. We will see freedom's victory."
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The Lady Sirithil speaks truth on CENNA, and we too annouce our withdrawal from the alliance. Again we do not wish this seen as a rejection of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, we have long viewed them as wise, and fair peoples. Although their recent actions have been at times perhaps a little rash, we trust it is only a temporary status.

Perhaps in time we can come to some smaller, yet lasting understanding, between our peoples.

Farseer Council

The Requiem of Whispering Voices stands alongside its longtime ally and friend Menelmacar, and withdraws from the CENNA pact. Stated reasons include discontent with the CENNA admissions process, and a lack of activity on behalf of CENNA as a whole rather than the nations that comprised it.

Whispering Voices wishes well to all its erstwhile alliance members.

"Shit." D'ron turns to an aide. "I want an immediate full council meeting as soon as possible. Hell, if required, we can talk by conference phone on secure line."

The aide looked visibly startled by the President's uncharacteristic profanity, and hesitated an instant too long.

D'ron gaze, frigid already, turned glacial cold, and yet, at the same time, hotter than Hell. "DO IT!"

The aide scampered.

tag, important happenings..............

"I knew it. I told all you naysayers from the start that the CENNA pact would reduce Menelmacar and EOTED to little more than bickering spouses. And who was right? I was right. Who was wrong? Yeah, that's right; say it with me folks: 'Sirithil and Rialla were wrong.' Honestly, you people are so ridiculous sometimes."

Jay Reaven
Foreign Minister of the Imperium
First Speaker of the Imperial Dominion
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Greetings people. After much debate and voting by the council it has been decided that we, the Honourable Empire of Diablo_NL, shall leave CENNA as well. So far it has failed to do that wich it said it would, and no efforts have been made to better it.

~ Shaul Fiacre

The Teutonic Empire of Lavenrunz has decided, following a vote of 74% in favour in the Volksraad, to withdraw from CENNA, since this alliance does not serve the greater security or foreign interests of the Empire to the satisfaction of its members.

Chancellor Claudia der Waal.

From: The Corporate Oligarchy of Der Angst
To: The Empire of the Eternal Dawn
Subject: *Points*

*Laughs*

Sincerely,

Mr. Morden

Mr. Morden send the transmission, and wondered. Amazing... Who would have thought it ends liek this... But then, i should have known it, two 'empires', hegemons, in one alliance... is one to much.

Well, perhaps the Pointy Ear racism will change to somethign more subtle... so that i`m actually able to make sure Morgan doesn´t do stupid things.

[Tag... I have nothing to do with it IC, and thus won't comment]

The Vortex Corporation hereby announces that they will join the nations leaving CENNA. Also, we would like to note that we are very disappointed that neither of the two CENNA leaders has managed to make it a flourishing alliance, even though they both posess a considerable amount of power and influence in the world. We wish all former CENNA nations the best of luck, and hope that our relations with them will not be affected too much by this unexpected event.

~Council

ooc: seriously, I'm starting to consider joining one of the evil alliances...at least they seem much more stable and continuous than the good ones :(

ooc: seriously, I'm starting to consider joining one of the evil alliances...at least they seem much more stable and continuous than the good ones.

ooc: hey, from your perspective the CACE is as evil as they come, and we're NS's oldest alliance; if you were to abolish that nasty private ownership bit...

For the 4754th time: I do not consider CACE evil! Go back to the forum, look posts down or so, and click the factbook thread I've started. Then show me were it is stated that we consider CACE evil.

OOC:

THAT'S IT!!! I'M LEAVING CENNA TOO!

::sobs::

:lol:

While not a member of CENNA, the Empire of Akilliam wishes to stand with our good allies Menelmacar and Tor Yvresse. This is not a matter of business or importance to the Empire of Akilliam, but we will always show our support for our strong Elven friends.

Fear the Eagles
Imperator Cominus

The speaker of the Royal House stood in front of the holo projector, ready to give his message.

"As the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar has decided to withdraw from the alliance formerly known as CENNA, taking into consideration that we formed part of the alliance thanks to the advise and support of the Lady of the Noldor, Sirithil nos Fëanor, we have decided to withdraw from CENNA too, declaring that the chapters that obliged the Sindarin Empire of Aelosia with the rest of the alliance are now canceled. Although the Sindarin Empire of Aelosia consider the nations formerly involved friends and allies, and hope that in the future we could form another alliances. As usual, we will follow the directives of the Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar about what policies we should follow in the future".

Inside the Throne room...

"You almost handled the country to the Noldorin witch!, that message maybe was redacted by the Princess D'Hyru, but it's an abomination", almost shouted the Noble standing in front of the throne of the ShadowPrince.

"So?. Do you think we can defeat the GDOAD all by ourselves?, and to protect elvenkin through the stars alone?. We need allies, strong ones, and you are forgetting that Lady Sirithil is the strongest of the elven leaders", answered the ShadowPrince, visibly angered.

"But she's a Noldorin!, her sons killed the true heir of the throne where you're sitting. Have you forget about Caranthir the Dark, Celegorm and Curufin, all of them sons of Sirithil, formerly known as Nerdanel?. How they sacked Doriath searching for the Silmaril that Beren and Lúthien rescued from Angband?. You're betraying your own blood!", continued the Noble, raising his voice through the hall.

"And she's our last hope. She was the one that save us from the tyranny of the Dark Eldar sitted in this throne. She ended the Aelosian Civil War. She has supported us in many occassions. She allowed us to enter CENNA. The facts you're talking about happened thousands of years ago, even before Elrohir and Elladan founded this Empire. And most of all, Princess Aliria trust in her, because although I don't know Lady Sirithil personally, she does. If Princess Aliria is crowned as the Everqueen, she will rule this country, and you and I will pledge our loyalties to her and her Noldorin ideas", said the Prince more calmed.

"If she marry, if and only if she marry...", whispered the noble

"And she will, of that I'm pretty sure, although I don't know with whom. I was afraid that she could marry that mercenary from Thelas. Theallas... although he was a fine warrior, he was an awful politician. I couldn't imagine him as the next Phoenix King of Aelosia!. Is a satisfaction that she dumped him, with a little help of my own, of course. Now I'll find her a good husband so they together could rule this country. I won't handle this Empire to a warmongering fool", the fist of the Prince clenched as he spoke.

"But you need to stop her, Kithail, you need to convince her of cutting the ties of this Empire with the Noldor, because they can't be our allies. Imagine what would happened if she marry, she's crowned Everqueen and her husband the Phoenix King is another Noldor lover. The independence of this Empire would be at the stake!", said the noble, this time with a sycophant tone of voice.

"That will never happens. Aliria love this Empire as much as I do, and will do anything to keep it independent. And Alas!, you will address me as ShadowPrince, noone calls me Kithail except for my mother and Princess D'Hyru, Is that clear?", said the Prince pointing at the door. "This gathering is over, I won't hear more about this matter. If you need to share your ideas about the relationship between the Empire and the Menelmacari Lady, look for Princess Aliria, that's why she's the Imperial Chancellor".

All hail Bumpo, the delightful thread gnome!

~Siri

As of this moment, the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar withdraws from CENNA, which has turned out not to be so eternal after all. We will also be temporarily suspending trade to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, due to safety risks to our shipping, caused by rising tensions arising from incidents involving TROUSRS, Wolf Ville, Automagfreek and Mallberta. Currently-outstanding contracts will be honored but will not be renewed unless relations improve and the situation calms down by that time.

We realize that CENNA will be effectively rendered defunct by this decision; changing the Charter requires the assent of both Chancellors and one of those Chancellors, per the charter, must be Menelmacari. We are sure that it is, however, for the best; CENNA was, after all, counterproductive to Menelmacar-EOTED relations.

The Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar is, of course, open to the restoration of relations to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn on a bilateral basis.

http://www.weirdozone.0catch.com/projects/nationstates/sirithil/sirithilnosfeanor.gifLady Sirithil nos Fëanor
Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Regent of Lavenrunz
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. We will see freedom's victory."
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In accordance with the Charter, signed by Menelmacar, EOTED hereby activates Article 5, and Article 6, Clause 1. EOTED notes that the inability of Menelmacar to adhere to Article 5 results in activation of Article 5b1, and expects reparitions from Menelmacar for this breach immediately. Reparitions must be equal to US$7.5T. Failure to pay reparitions will result in economic and diplomatic sanctions against Menelmacar.

In accordance with EOTED policy, EOTED will maintain its current trade status with Menelmacar (MFN). We find the Menelmacari exuse for the cessation of trade to be irrelevant to the situation. Considering the proximity of our two Empires, we fail to see any danger to shipping between the two. Considering that neither defense grid has been breached in peacetime in living (or unliving) memory, it is clear that Menelmacar is acting in a hostile and overt manner to the Empire.

Therefore, the Empire expects a full explanation from Menelmacar. If no explanation is forthcoming, EOTED will begin consultation with its allies as to the response mandated by this act of hostility against the Empire.

Furthermore, we note that we are not currently at war with TROUSRS; Automagfreek does not exist, as it vanished from the face of the Earth by Eru's mighty hand some months past; and the liberation of Wolf Ville was completed weeks ago.

Despite the withdrawal of Menelmacar from CENNA (which, under international law as applicable to those nations whom signed the Charter willingly, is illegal and unjust), EOTED moves that CENNA be renamed CEAN (Commonwealth of Eternally Aligned Nations, abbreviation pronounced 'keen') and immediate renegotiation of the Charter begin. Illegal exit from the Commonwealth will be considered a breach of the Charter, and of established internation law as regarding the EFKA-CENNA (Entity Formerly Known As).

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II

Addendum to previous statement from EOTED:

The Empire is now awaitng reparitions from all those nations whom have withdrawn, in contravention to the CENNA Charter. 50% of all trade revenue per annum gained via lucrative economic ties with EOTED are expected immediately.

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II

.:Steel News Nightly:.

In a short statement given earlier today, Emperor Nemerov applauded Menelmacar and said that he would drop out of the "bastard and utterly worthless" alliance known or formally known as CENNA that in all actually he admitted, was a diplomatic tactic used to gain trade alliance with some nations involved. The Emperor also denounced Ma-tek and the EOTED and laughed at the concept of paying them reperations.

"Sanctions? My dear boy, we never really associated with Ma-tek in the first place. Let those dogs place their sanctions on us, and let them find someone who cares!"

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Star Empire of Steel Butterfly,
In the Orion Sector which includes:
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII,
Aeisis, Bivens, Esthar VIII
Orion Sector Alliance Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

((OOC: *slaps a post-it note reading "Tag for reference" on the thread* This could get interesting.))

Mallberta strongly supports the actions of Menelmacar and the other ex-CENNA members. It should be clear at this point that Ma-Tek presents an irrational and unacceptable menace. While we still do not advocate outright war, we wish to reassert our desire to implement clear and strong economic and diplomatic sanctions on this dangerous would-be hegemon.

Needless to say, should Ma-Tek seek to forcibly extract said 'reparations', Mallberta will not hesitate in coming to the aid of here fellow nations.

My good friends of the former CENNA member states,

The Greater Triumvirate of Yut Economic Co-Prosperiety Sphere, the civilian buisness regulatory agency of the Triumvirate of Yut, would like to announce that authorization has been secured from our representative governments to fill any defecit felt by the Empire of Eternal Dawn's sanctions. We have assembled an emergency negotiations team for each individual country that is familiar with your trade needs, and prepared to offer lucrative deals to get your nation's trade sheet balanced. We look foward to working with you all.

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CEO Zin Karma
KarmaCorp TechSystems
on behalf of the GToYECPS

As of this moment, the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar withdraws from CENNA, which has turned out not to be so eternal after all. We will also be temporarily suspending trade to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, due to safety risks to our shipping, caused by rising tensions arising from incidents involving TROUSRS, Wolf Ville, Automagfreek and Mallberta. Currently-outstanding contracts will be honored but will not be renewed unless relations improve and the situation calms down by that time.

We realize that CENNA will be effectively rendered defunct by this decision; changing the Charter requires the assent of both Chancellors and one of those Chancellors, per the charter, must be Menelmacari. We are sure that it is, however, for the best; CENNA was, after all, counterproductive to Menelmacar-EOTED relations.

The Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar is, of course, open to the restoration of relations to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn on a bilateral basis.

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Elentári of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar
Regent of Lavenrunz
"We have known freedom's price. We have shown freedom's power. We will see freedom's victory."
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We support Menelmacar's decesion. After all, Menelmacar brought Nanakaland back and could just as easilly delete Nanakaland OR defeat us in an RP.

"Ahem, according to the chapters, one of the Chancellors must be Menelmacari, and if Menelmacar withdraws from the alliance that chapter would be false. So, I think that unless the main articles of the CENNA chapter are changed, all the treaty falls into falsehood. Please reconsider your attitude, although our economic relationships with EOTED are minimal, we don't have any intentions to pay reparations of any kind. Of course, if the mighty EOTED is facing economic problems, we can help you, as friends and allies of the empire, if you ask us. However, if the EOTED is ordering, demanding or requesting reparations, we won't hear their words, because the Aelosian Empire don't obbey orders or commands from any foreign country.

ArchDuke Phaelos, Chief of the Ministry of Finance.

In the Throne Room...

"Thank you for letting me write that message, ShadowPrince", said the same noble, smiling to his ruler.

"The EOTED has no right to issue such demands. I want to keep friendly relationships with them, but they're not helping with those aloof messages", answered the ShadowPrince.

My good friends of the former CENNA member states,

The Greater Triumvirate of Yut Economic Co-Prosperiety Sphere, the civilian buisness regulatory agency of the Triumvirate of Yut, would like to announce that authorization has been secured from our representative governments to fill any defecit felt by the Empire of Eternal Dawn's sanctions. We have assembled an emergency negotiations team for each individual country that is familiar with your trade needs, and prepared to offer lucrative deals to get your nation's trade sheet balanced. We look foward to working with you all.


"'Tis a nice gesture, however we do not pay because we do not want to, nor feel the need to...not because we can't. This sanctions are a mockery, and we will not pay a nation of clowns what they go around demanding. Steel Butterfly's presence in CENNA did not assist nor harm the Empire of The Eternal Dawn, and we will not be paying because of some petty contract that Ma-tek thinks they have the right to enforce. I'm more of a night person myself anyway..."

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Emperor Alexander Nemerov
Star Empire of Steel Butterfly,
In the Orion Sector which includes:
Steel Isle, Steel Moon,
CTaNbHaR Eabo4Ka, XIII,
Aeisis, Bivens, Esthar VIII
Orion Sector Alliance Premier,
Order of the Seraphim,
(Un-named Trade Consortium)

We support Menelmacar's decesion. After all, Menelmacar brought Nanakaland back and could just as easilly delete Nanakaland OR defeat us in an RP.

OOC: Your support of Menelmacar's decision should be strictly IC (i.e. defeat in an RP war perhaps). Supporting Menelmacar because she is a mod and fearing deletion is a BS reason.

The High Lord would wish to take this opportunity to propose a trade agreement with Menelmacer. With sanctions seeming to be coming from both sides, perhaps the industry and consumers of the Dominion of Lord Christopher Scott can help to fill the gap. What we are proposing is a free trade agreement. No tarrifs on either side, unrestricted trade, and granting a favorable nation trading status to each of us. I hope that this trade agreement is met with a positive response Lady Sirithil, for I have always thought of you to be a wise leader, and this is a good opportunity. Also, a trade agreement may help to promote stronger ties between my nation and yours, and also perhaps relations with the whole of GDODAD.

Sincerely Yours,



Lord Christopher Scott
High Lord of the Dominion
GDODAD Broadcast Minister

We pledge our utmost support to Menelmacar, and call for the Empire of the Eternal Dawn to sit down and talk reasonably with their opponents. They are harming their reputation, and that of their remaining allies... whose names *will* come to me eventually.

Should Elentari Sirithril desire action to be taken, then we stand by her.


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Grand Vizier Alysanndra Ellestrea
The Most Holy Principality of Roania
Member of the Orange Party

"Well, Gregor, it appears that some economic group known as CENNA is falling apart, due to the withdraw of Menelmacar. "

"We're not part it, are we, Jasmin?"

"Nope. Would have been covered under the No Relations With Ego-ted Decree even if we had been, anyways. Speaking of which, EOTED is making a fuss, demanding a lot of money from everyone who pulls out, 'or else.'"

"Of course. I'll make sure no one we care about gets hurt. Anything else?"

"Well, Zin Karma appears to be offering to cover deficits caused by EOTED sanctions on behalf of GToYECPS."

"I bet The Bastard is up to something. I'll have to make sure to buy a bit more stock in KCTS."

Speaker-to-Animals brushes down the sleeves of his uniform, shaking the last vestiges of moisture from his fur. "Hrrraaa, it is good to be back."

"Good to see you back, tzubo," Razak smiles. "I've been holding down the fort for you... current newsflash is that EGOTED's recent spate of diplomatic blunders is accentuated by the complete vaporization of CENNA."

"A surprise." Speaker makes a small shooing motion with his hands, causing Razak to blink, chuckle, and get out of the kzintosh's big chair. Settling back in its utilitarian comfort, Speaker-to-Animals closes his eyes. "I did not think they would pull out of that one."

"Sirithil did, Speeks. Then everyone else packed up and left. Now EGOTED is demanding reparations for trade losses."

"Which they know full well they will not get." Speaker stretches his neck, sounding utterly unconcerned. "How long will it take to get the Expeditionary Forces settled after the operation?"

"Shouldn't be long; I'll call in Hawke to discuss it."

"Also, what is going on with Angelus?"

"Not sure, sir. The SDS is investigating."

"To the bunker?" Speaker chuckles softly.

"I can't see why not, tzobu."

On the issue of reperations we respectfully decline. Such as is we hold that reperations for the action of withdrawing from an alliance is not something that can be enforced. SImply put CENNA has, unfortunatly, folded. It's a shame beyond all counting, but we are not beholden to stay in the treaty.

In fact we could point out that CENNA has been a failure from day one, unfortunate but true. If the EOTED continues to press the matter we will be forced to consider severing all ies with the Empire.

Farseer Council
Servents of Khaine

To all involved

At this time, the Vortex Corporation would like to make its official response to the earlier communications by EOTED. When one reads the former Charter of CENNA, one clearly sees that the entire alliance, both in theory and in practice, is designed around the presence of two leading nations. The very fact that one of those nations withdraws from the alliance, thus immediately reduces the validity of aforementioned document to an absolute zero. Therefore, it is our opinion that the Vortex Corporation does now owe EOTED anything, be that financial or political compensation. Bluntly stated, we have left CENNA and will not even consider re-joining before a thorough restructuring, paired with a significant increase in participation in international politics has occured. Even before the withdrawal of Menelmacar, this alliance was, as stated before, inactive from day one.

However, the commercial ties between ourselves and the former CENNA members still exist. Since we have only seen increases in revenue during CENNA membership, we do not intend to alter current trading relationships. Because of that, we also fail to see how Ma-Tek misses out on any revenue because of us leaving the alliance.

In any case, we wish all those former CENNA members the very best, though it is our suspision that once again, this situation will end in threats and political power-play.

A merry christmas to you all,

Council

After having a good laugh at the expense of Rialla and EOTED, the foreign minister made a press statement:

"We remind our peers in Ma-Tek, EOTED, and CENNA that the only international law is enforced law. And, last time we checked, you have neither the power nor authority to police the actions of those greater and more numerous then yourself. We politely "suggest" that you drop any demands of reparitions, unless you plan on seeing your food imports cut off. Good day."

The Greater Triumvirate of Yut Economic Co-Prosperiety Sphere, the civilian buisness regulatory agency of the Triumvirate of Yut, would like to announce that authorization has been secured from our representative governments to fill any defecit felt by the Empire of Eternal Dawn's sanctions. We have assembled an emergency negotiations team for each individual country that is familiar with your trade needs, and prepared to offer lucrative deals to get your nation's trade sheet balanced. We look foward to working with you all.

From: The Corporate Oligarchy of Der Angst
To: Karmabaijan
Subject: Trade deficit, EOTED sanctions

"While we were not a member of CENNA, due to certain... unpleasent tendencies visible in the charter, We 'suffer' from an EOTED trade embargo that was forced upon us a few months ago due to EOTED accusions that we support terrorism.

However, they never showed, never had any evidence, due to the simple fact that their accusions are wrong.

While we realise that your offer is meant for CENNA members only, we would like to ask if said offer could be expanded to cover us as well. Since we have fairly good relations with most Ex- CENNA members, we hope that you consider this request acceptable.

Sincerely,

~ Mr. Morden

After having a good laugh at the expense of Rialla and EOTED, the foreign minister made a press statement:

"We remind our peers in Ma-Tek, EOTED, and CENNA that the only international law is enforced law. And, last time we checked, you have neither the power nor authority to police the actions of those greater and more numerous then yourself. We politely "suggest" that you drop any demands of reparitions, unless you plan on seeing your food imports cut off. Good day."

We do not need to import food.

We fail to see the worth of your threat, therefore.

~ Ambassador Dejure

[OOC: One small point: CENNA was inactive because Siri couldn't be arsed to be involved. As Vortex pointed out, the Commonwealth revolved around Menelmacar and EOTED. Seeing as Siri joined and then could not be bothered to actually do anything, I couldn't actually do anything either. You want to blame someone for CENNA failing? Blame Siri - OOCly. ICly - nothing actually happened. Therefore, there is no way to give IC blame.

Furthermore: Indiastan, EOTED doesn't trade with you. Levelling threats of cutting of trade to a state that you don't trade with is rather redundant.]

Erratum:

The Imperial Diplomatic Corps apologizes for an error in transmission. The guilty party has, appropriately, been sacked.

Whereas the transmitted textual missive from Her Highness the Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II stated that all nations whom have exited CENNA are required to pay reparitions, the intended message was to state that all those whom have exited CENNA and ended trade relations with the Empire are to pay reparitions.

~ Ambassador Dejure

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As Steel Butterfly was never a CENNA member in the first place, we fail to see how the exit of Steel Butterfly from CENNA is a possibility in the first place. As we have never had any ties with Steel Butterfly beyond their abortive request to join CENNA some time ago - an attempt that was never followed up via the prescribed application process - we fail to see any loss in an end to the already non-existant relations with the state of Steel Butterfly.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

Official Message to the Empress Rialla, from the Office of Foreign Trade.

"As we never ended our trade relations with the EOTED, and we wish to continue our successful trade with that nation, we accept the apology of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn regarding the reparations."

In the Throne Room...

"They said it was a mistake", said the noble, reading the erratum.

"That's fine, noone wants to be EOTED enemy", answered the ShadowPrince.

"We never intended to pay those reparations in the first place", said the noble.

"Of course, but that statement erase the diplomatic problem, we're still EOTED friends, although we are indeed separated from the Commonwealth", finally said the ShadowPrince, leaning on his throne and smiling.

As Steel Butterfly was never a CENNA member in the first place, we fail to see how the exit of Steel Butterfly from CENNA is a possibility in the first place. As we have never had any ties with Steel Butterfly beyond their abortive request to join CENNA some time ago - an attempt that was never followed up via the prescribed application process - we fail to see any loss in an end to the already non-existant relations with the state of Steel Butterfly.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

:shock: Really?

Haha...well...Menel...ah...I was...god...check TG's :lol:

As Steel Butterfly was never a CENNA member in the first place, we fail to see how the exit of Steel Butterfly from CENNA is a possibility in the first place. As we have never had any ties with Steel Butterfly beyond their abortive request to join CENNA some time ago - an attempt that was never followed up via the prescribed application process - we fail to see any loss in an end to the already non-existant relations with the state of Steel Butterfly.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

:shock: Really?

Haha...well...Menel...ah...I was...god...check TG's :lol:

Neatly prepared public statement from the Knootian ministry of Foreign Affairs:

The Knootian government is dismayed by the recent break-up of CENNA. While we were not a member of the organisation many of our allies were. We always considered ourselves friends to the organisation, it’s members and it’s ideals.

We must express our disapproval of this situation, as we feel the reasoning provided do not warrant such a fundamental breach. In the short term, this will certainly weaken the forces of Freedom™. However we stand by the High Elentari Lady Sirithil of the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar and their many allies at all times and will continue our bonds of friendship through our common goals and alliance memberships.

The people of the DDR are friends with all Elvish nations, and I feel that our peoples share a deep and special relation with all involved. While we continue to support those who left CENNA, we also seek to retain relations with those who remain inside the ‘eternal’ alliance. Notably, the Empire of the Eternal Dawn. We do not see recent events as a reason to alter our relationship to them at this time and hope that they will continue to pursue a wise and stable foreign policy.

~State-secretary Lady Galadriël Táralóm nos Cirdan
"Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis"


Public Statement from the Knootian ministry of Economic Affairs:

For the political impact of the events surrounding CENNA the ministry refers to attached statement #CENNA329a from the ministry of foreign Affairs.

While Knootoss was not a member of CENNA, the breach is expected to have a noticeable impact on the Knootian economy, and it is expected that it will bring to the minister several policy decisions in the near future. This release is made to pre-empt any possible questions.

The ceasing of EOTED-Menelmacari trade by Menelmacar is expected to cause a downward trend for the GDP of both nations, and as a spin off to the WBO. This will hit the Knootian transport sector, and related branches in other nations. Economic growth will be negatively affected, but not significantly.

The government has not received a formal request from anyone to join any economic sanctions at this time, so our trade relations with all involved remain the same.

We believe that the private sector can actually benefit positively by jumping into the gap that the ceasing of Menelmacari imports will leave, considering the EOTED trade deficit and demand for luxury goods. The ministry will expect market penetration in the Empire to double, at the very least. The ministry will make efforts to create a positive business environment to that end.

~Ministry of Economic Affairs of the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss
"Omnia mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis"

Furthermore: Indiastan, EOTED doesn't trade with you. Levelling threats of cutting of trade to a state that you don't trade with is rather redundant.]

Did I say I was going to cut off exports? No. However, others, most likely the ex-CENNA from whom you are demanding money, likely would. And coupled with the general embargo which a number of other larger nations are a part of, like myself, you're running out of partners and options. Cheers.

[OOC: One small point: CENNA was inactive because Siri couldn't be arsed to be involved. As Vortex pointed out, the Commonwealth revolved around Menelmacar and EOTED. Seeing as Siri joined and then could not be bothered to actually do anything, I couldn't actually do anything either. You want to blame someone for CENNA failing? Blame Siri - OOCly. ICly - nothing actually happened. Therefore, there is no way to give IC blame.

Furthermore: Indiastan, EOTED doesn't trade with you. Levelling threats of cutting of trade to a state that you don't trade with is rather redundant.]

OOC:

You know, it's really not entirely necessary to attach these little OOC snippits to every third post you do--particularly when they're condescending rebuttals to IC statements. This is one of the reasons why I've avoided RPing with you like I avoid Chinese food during a hangover: because there's the constant worry of setting you off OOCly. At this point, that is almost an inevitability.

As I have no need to be in this thread, and I don't want to muck it up with OOC bullshit, I'll go somewhere I'm wanted... the male strip club. ;)

The High Lord would wish to take this opportunity to propose a trade agreement with Menelmacer. With sanctions seeming to be coming from both sides, perhaps the industry and consumers of the Dominion of Lord Christopher Scott can help to fill the gap. What we are proposing is a free trade agreement. No tarrifs on either side, unrestricted trade, and granting a favorable nation trading status to each of us. I hope that this trade agreement is met with a positive response Lady Sirithil, for I have always thought of you to be a wise leader, and this is a good opportunity. Also, a trade agreement may help to promote stronger ties between my nation and yours, and also perhaps relations with the whole of GDODAD.

Sincerely Yours,



Lord Christopher Scott
High Lord of the Dominion
GDODAD Broadcast Minister

CAN WE TWADE PWEASE!

:Chokes at sight of LCS acting worse then me:

What do you want from her?

The High Lord would wish to take this opportunity to propose a trade agreement with Menelmacer. With sanctions seeming to be coming from both sides, perhaps the industry and consumers of the Dominion of Lord Christopher Scott can help to fill the gap. What we are proposing is a free trade agreement. No tarrifs on either side, unrestricted trade, and granting a favorable nation trading status to each of us. I hope that this trade agreement is met with a positive response Lady Sirithil, for I have always thought of you to be a wise leader, and this is a good opportunity. Also, a trade agreement may help to promote stronger ties between my nation and yours, and also perhaps relations with the whole of GDODAD.

Sincerely Yours,



Lord Christopher Scott
High Lord of the Dominion
GDODAD Broadcast Minister

CAN WE TWADE PWEASE!
OOC: Sure, fire me a TG.

~Siri

The Empire of Akilliam finds it absurd, and almost obscene, that Ma-tek would refer to some miniscule clause in what must be a broad agreement. To fall back on such a clause is merely a paper pushing defiance of reality. Yes, treaties should be binding obligations and agreements between nations, but this is merely absurd.

But to further add insult to injury, seven and a half trillion in reparations? No sane leader or government would agree to hand over such an obscene amount of currency. Futhermore, to expect such a leader or government to oblige such a demand is much like a pyschotic break.

Akilliam stands with Menelmacar.

Fear the Eagles
Imperator Cominus

You guys just lost Roania too (due to OOC reasons).

You guys just lost Roania too (due to OOC reasons).

Was he a member?

You guys just lost Roania too (due to OOC reasons).

Was he a member?

I think so. He had a thread announcing it and the renouncing of WMDS.

Tahar Joblis has threatened to "cease all trade" with Menelmacari factors unless the outsanding fine of $7.5T is paid in accordance with CENNA-related obligations.

Menelmacari smugglers attempting to contravene this sanction will be prosecuted appropriately if found operating in Tahar Joblissan waters; the appropriate forms for bail, release, reportation, etc etc etc, will be forwarded to Sirithilia where necessary.

Trade ties with Knootoss remain unchanged (officially nada) although officials are looking into obliterating illegal trade to Knootoss, estimated by some to run as high as $300-$200,000 per annum in value.

OOC: Oops, forgot one little note.

Furthermore, if Menelmacari leadership decides to throw its lot in with GDODAD trade partners in a significant fashion, it can only be expected to jeopardize future good relations with Tahar Joblis.

The imperialist, capitalist, anti-democratic, elitist, and above all ill-advised union of WBO/SATO elements and GDODAD will be met by principled resistance.

I have personally never contacted many nations here, but I am well aware of the EOTED and its full apologies offered on the eve of this day. It apologized to the Triumvirate of Yut, and to the entire international community for its actions of the past, which we are largely unaware of. However, they do not matter, as the apology offered by Queen Rialla was full.

However, the collapse of CENNA, an alliance which was only muttered around the Blått Hus a few times, will definately affect trade throughout the international community. It is my personal concern that this collapse will lead to a larger incident. I must admit my true worries at this unfortunate down spiral of relations.

The main reason I wanted to say this today is the following: If there was a clear breach, and there was punishment for that breach, then all involved nations must follow that punishment. The pathetic arguments that the nations involved aren't involved in the alliance anymore show true betrayal and lies. Thus, if there was punishment for a breach, why ever make such a clause if it was not meant to be followed through? We will support the EOTED, for this reason and others. We urge all involved nations to be subject to whatever punishment such a clause offered. However, we must request the full document of the Charter from the EOTED, and proof that such a clause exists.

It is not my intention to upset the natural diplomatic process. I want to improve this situation, but regarding my nation's size, that may not be possible. It is my true hope that my small nation will not be ignored among so many that have power and wealth. Thank you graciously

President Adrian Weston

http://www.desiclub.com/bollywood/bollywood_features/bolly_feat_2002/bolly_feat_img_2002/raj_vasudeva.jpg
Home and country, liberated we shall stay.

Tahar Joblis has threatened to "cease all trade" with Menelmacari factors unless the outsanding fine of $7.5T is paid in accordance with CENNA-related obligations.

Menelmacari smugglers attempting to contravene this sanction will be prosecuted appropriately if found operating in Tahar Joblissan waters; the appropriate forms for bail, release, reportation, etc etc etc, will be forwarded to Sirithilia where necessary.

Trade ties with Knootoss remain unchanged (officially nada) although officials are looking into obliterating illegal trade to Knootoss, estimated by some to run as high as $300-$200,000 per annum in value.

OOC: erm...
1) Why?
2) What do I have to do with anything? I was never in CENNA?
3) *offers trade pact*

OOC: Well, I was going to cut trade ties with you as an IC pressure point on Menelmacar, but I seemed to recall having already done so sometime around one of the various SATO/CACE messes. I was never in CENNA either... as to why, well, it has to do with the long-running trade and political dynamics between Arda, Yut, EOTED, Tahar Joblis, et al. Direct ties between Menelmacar and Tahar Joblis have ICly always been on shaky footing when Iesus Christi isn't in the foreground of things. This is not to say that Tahar Joblissan seaweed, fuel ethanol, vacuum tubes, and other exports will become completely unavailable to, say, Menelmacari citizens; it's simply that their price will probably increase as they are re-exported through (and by) mutual trade partners, quite possibly under different labels, etc.

IC:

As far as a future trade pact with Knootoss, it is within the realm of future possibilities; however, negotiations regarding such are liable to take no small measure of time and effort.

OOC: Well, I was going to cut trade ties with you as an IC pressure point on Menelmacar, but I seemed to recall having already done so sometime around one of the various SATO/CACE messes. I was never in CENNA either... as to why, well, it has to do with the long-running trade and political dynamics between Arda, Yut, EOTED, Tahar Joblis, et al. Direct ties between Menelmacar and Tahar Joblis have ICly always been on shaky footing when Iesus Christi isn't in the foreground of things. This is not to say that Tahar Joblissan seaweed, fuel ethanol, vacuum tubes, and other exports will become completely unavailable to, say, Menelmacari citizens; it's simply that their price will probably increase as they are re-exported through (and by) mutual trade partners, quite possibly under different labels, etc.

IC:

As far as a future trade pact with Knootoss, it is within the realm of future possibilities; however, negotiations regarding such are liable to take no small measure of time and effort.

OOC:
I don't think Siri will care overly much if you cut trade with me so that's not a very good strategy... *undecipherable mumbling*

However, I'm always willing to improve ties with... well, pratcically anyone who isn't out to destroy me or something. Is your nation corrupt? (bribes) or would doing rightious stuff in general be a better way to improve relations?