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Allthough we do own several Sea Raptors and other advanced aircraft, we are looking for a mainstream fighter jet for our forces.

Requirments:

Must be able to fly atleast Mach 2

Must be able to carry atleast 9,000 pounds of weapondry

must have a range of atleast 2,350 miles

must be able to fly atleast 60,000 feet up

must be able to carry atleast 1 1,000 gallon fuel tank

must have a internal fuel tank/tanks containing atleast 3,200 gallons of fuel.

must have a maximum load factor of atleast 9g

must have atleast limited stealth capibilitys

must be able to carry a load of atleast 8 air to air missles and 2 1,000 pound bombs.

we expect this whole package to cost about 40 million dollars for one fighter.

we will gladly pay the winner a full 4 billion dollars, and another 2 billion for the plans to produce the fighter.

this?

http://www.geocities.com/pack_rat85/Frigate

sorry, i need modern tech level stuff.

40grand for all of that? Well I don't think that's very possible TBH. That's a lot of heafty requirements for a fighter at such a low cost.

40grand for all of that? Well I don't think that's very possible TBH. That's a lot of heafty requirements for a fighter at such a low cost.

just a minor mistake. fixed.

Yes, for $40,000 you'd be hard pressed to buy a Spitfire when they were in full production, never mind a modern Mach-2 capable fighter.

Oh.. now it's edited. Do continue..ignore me.

Oh well then. That makes more sense. Ya know a variation of the F-111 can achieve all of this. Give it newer engines that'll give it more range. 8 hardpoints for 8 AAMs and the internal bay for the bombs. 9G...well that's not so easy, maybe give those engines thrust-vectoring. Stealth. Well get out the RAM paint :)

Oh well then. That makes more sense. Ya know a variation of the F-111 can achieve all of this. Give it newer engines that'll give it more range. 8 hardpoints for 8 AAMs and the internal bay for the bombs. 9G...well that's not so easy, maybe give those engines thrust-vectoring. Stealth. Well get out the RAM paint :)

possibly, dos this mean you are entering the competion? if so, post the stats of your design please.

Well I'm not much into fantasy type planes that really defy the realm of possibility so I'm kinda offering an idea on where to start looking sort of. If it wasn't for the 9G rating and the stealth I could easily do that.

Well I'm not much into fantasy type planes that really defy the realm of possibility so I'm kinda offering an idea on where to start looking sort of. If it wasn't for the 9G rating and the stealth I could easily do that.

ooc: the F-20 and F-16 both can do 9g. heck, the raptor and jsf can probaly do it.

Well I'm not much into fantasy type planes that really defy the realm of possibility so I'm kinda offering an idea on where to start looking sort of. If it wasn't for the 9G rating and the stealth I could easily do that.

ooc: the F-20 and F-16 both can do 9g. heck, the raptor and jsf can probaly do it.

Yes but carrying 5,550 gallons of fuel is quite heavy. That's 36,300 lb. An F-16 weighs 42,300 MAX and at that weight cannot pull 9G. It only has 6,950 lb. of fuel. Raptor has thrust-vector, a very LIGHT weapons load, and very POWERFUL engines, but certainly not 5,550 gallons of fuel.

OOC: The requriments for fuel have been relaxed.

Give me an hour or so to see what I can come up with.

OOC: A Very good plus for the fighter would be carrier capability.

OOC: This may be helpfull.

Stats for the Sea Raptor:

6) F-22 Sea Raptor
This brand-new naval fighter is a variation on the F-22 Raptor. After changing some of the specs and creating a prototype, we pitted this amazing jet against the current premier naval fighter (the Super Hornet). In almost every single test the Sea Raptor beat the Hornet (for exact scores go to page 15).
One seater
Air superiority fighter
Capable of air-to-air, air-to-ground, and air-to-sea
Weaponry- 2 Sidewinders, 6 AMRAAMS, 1 20mm Gatling Gun, 2 1,000 pound JDAM's
Advanced stealth technology
Supercruise capable
Speed- mach 1.8 (supercruise 1.5 mach)
carrier-capable
Price-$50 million
these are the states provided by it's builder, Unum Veritis.

Stats for the nations current mainstay fighter:

F/A-55A/B Mystic

It fills the same role as F-5s, MiG 21, A-4s, Hawk 100/200s but is more capable then any of them due to it's longer range(MiG 21), higher speed(Hawk, A-4) and more modern electronics(all but Hawk).

Primary Function: Advanced High Manuverbility Light Tactical Fighter, Conversion Trainer and LTF(B model)
Contractor: Pheonix Air Systems
Power Plant: 1x TF404-220-V 22 000lbs thrust turbofan
Length: 40'4" (12.3 meters)
Height: 14'8" (4.47 meters)
Wingspan: 29'10" (9.08 meters)
Ceiling: 59 050' (18 000 meters)
Speed: Mach 1.95
Ferry Range: 1 240 miles (2 000km)
Empty Weight: 10 560lbs (4 790 kg)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 20 745lbs (9 410 kg)
Armament: 1x GAU-25-3 25mm gattling cannon with 200 rounds, 2 wingtip, 4 underwing and 1 underfuselage hardpoints capable of carrying up to 9 000lbs(4 082kg) of disposable ordinance, including AA-11 Adder, AA-12 Archer AAMs, ARM-10 Killer ARM, many other ASMs, smart and dumb bombs, cannon pods, rocket pods, ECM pods and fuel tanks
Unit cost: $ 21 000 000
Crew: 1, 2 in B model

bump to keep it at the top.

How about this? It is modern tech level, just doesn't exist in real life:

Our new signature fighter:
Raysian Aero RF-11 "Archangel"
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/RF-11.jpg

Specifications :
Country of Origin: Raysia
Primary Designer: Raysian Aero
Manufacturing countries: Raysia, Western Asia
Role: Multi-role fighter
Wing Span: 35.84 ft (11.20 m)
Length: 49.63 ft (15.51 m)
Height: 15.39 ft (4.81 m)
Weight: 45,018 lb empty / 72,122 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Lyulka AL-37FU vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 30,855 lb thrust each (Same as Su-37), Two Raysian Aero Aux. Pulse-Det-Only "Blaster" pods, each outputting an additional 15,000 lbs of force (for STO and quick accelleration)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.85
Cruising speed: Mach 1.15
Range: 2,400 km / 1,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 69,000 ft
g limits: +13, -9 (So be careful!) Automatic Safeties prevent the plane from pulling unsafe g-forces and harming the pilot.
Airframe can stand up to 15gs
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, One Raysia Arms FC-216 Flak Cannon mounted on a turret above the fuselage, plus up to 20,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on fourteen external points.

Unique Features: The turret mounted Flak Cannon with 15 ammo, Quad-rudders/tails, 3D thrust vectoring, "Blaster" pods for STO ability, and all are Carrier capable. Radar signature easily confused for a Mig-29, and has SuperManeuverability comparable to the Su-37 or F-22. Has built in reconnaissance equipment such as a digital Camera. Missiles can fire any direction.

Computers: Advanced Autopilot to automatically land the plane on a carrier or runway in case the pilot gets knocked out or any other emergency like that, may be engaged by C&C or a wingman. The HUD is used in tandem with the "VisorScreens," which is a display projected onto the Visor of the Pilot's helmet, and uses a sort of compass in tandem with the computer that can allow him to see highlighted targets in any direction, even what used to be a blind spot beneath him or behind him. The 'VisorScreen' does not display the Altitude, pitch, and Speed like the HUD, as most pilots found this very confusing, but the 'VisorScreen' does control the Flak Cannon's direction.

Price is 35 Million dollars
A variant, still modern tech:
Now Available:
RF-11C Variant
Changes:
Length: 53.21 ft (16.22 m)
Weight: 49,922 lb empty / 56,000 lb normal / 75,225 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Raysian-Electric RE-1799 vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 35,256 lb thrust each, Two Raysian Aero Aux. Pulse-Det-Only "Blaster" pods, each outputting an additional 15,000 lbs of force (for STO and quick accelleration)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.97
Cruising speed: Mach 1.15
Range: 2,750 km / 1,700 miles
Unique Features: The turret mounted Flak Cannon with 35 ammo
This next one is slightly further ahead, about 2010 tech level:
The BEST Variant:
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/rf11d.jpg

How about this? It is modern tech level, just doesn't exist in real life:

Our new signature fighter:
Raysian Aero RF-11 "Archangel"
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/RF-11.jpg

Specifications :
Country of Origin: Raysia
Primary Designer: Raysian Aero
Manufacturing countries: Raysia, Western Asia
Role: Multi-role fighter
Wing Span: 35.84 ft (11.20 m)
Length: 49.63 ft (15.51 m)
Height: 15.39 ft (4.81 m)
Weight: 45,018 lb empty / 72,122 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Lyulka AL-37FU vectored-thrust afterburning turbofans, 30,855 lb thrust each (Same as Su-37), Two Raysian Aero Aux. Pulse-Det-Only "Blaster" pods, each outputting an additional 15,000 lbs of force (for STO and quick accelleration)
Maximum speed: Mach 2.85
Cruising speed: Mach 1.15
Range: 2,400 km / 1,500 miles
Service Ceiling: 69,000 ft
g limits: +13, -9 (So be careful!) Automatic Safeties prevent the plane from pulling unsafe g-forces and harming the pilot.
Airframe can stand up to 15gs
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, One Raysia Arms FC-216 Flak Cannon mounted on a turret above the fuselage, plus up to 20,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on fourteen external points.

Unique Features: The turret mounted Flak Cannon with 15 ammo, Quad-rudders/tails, 3D thrust vectoring, "Blaster" pods for STO ability, and all are Carrier capable. Radar signature easily confused for a Mig-29, and has SuperManeuverability comparable to the Su-37 or F-22. Has built in reconnaissance equipment such as a digital Camera. Missiles can fire any direction.

Computers: Advanced Autopilot to automatically land the plane on a carrier or runway in case the pilot gets knocked out or any other emergency like that, may be engaged by C&C or a wingman. The HUD is used in tandem with the "VisorScreens," which is a display projected onto the Visor of the Pilot's helmet, and uses a sort of compass in tandem with the computer that can allow him to see highlighted targets in any direction, even what used to be a blind spot beneath him or behind him. The 'VisorScreen' does not display the Altitude, pitch, and Speed like the HUD, as most pilots found this very confusing, but the 'VisorScreen' does control the Flak Cannon's direction.

Price is 35 Million dollars

entered in the competion, let's just see if it can pass all the requriments and the tests.

It will rock the competition, but we might not accept your offer.... 2 billion prize and 950 million for the plans... its a little low... in fact, it is freaking low.

We will give you the plans and internal production rights for 4 Billion, no less.

If you can't meet that, then forget about it, we don't need you ripping us off.

It will rock the competition, but we might not accept your offer.... 2 billion prize and 950 million for the plans... its a little low... in fact, it is freaking low.

We will give you the plans and internal production rights for 4 Billion, no less.

If you can't meet that, then forget about it, we don't need you ripping us off.

deal. if you win, you will get the 6 billion.

Good. We will enter.

Though I am mostly an American-tech nation you could probably achieve this all with an Su-35 Flanker modified slightly to hold the fuel tank on the centerline. Take out the Russian engines and put in F-15C engines. While they don't offer as much thrust they get better gas mileage. Or put in F-22 engines for uber-cool :) LOL...Su-35 is easily carrier capable as well and no doubt can pull 10g. Modifications to the computer can make it accept American or Russian ordinance.

I'll call it the F-36 Flanker II. $40M a fighter sounds doable as well.

Though I am mostly an American-tech nation you could probably achieve this all with an Su-35 Flanker modified slightly to hold the fuel tank on the centerline. Take out the Russian engines and put in F-15C engines. While they don't offer as much thrust they get better gas mileage. Or put in F-22 engines for uber-cool :) LOL...Su-35 is easily carrier capable as well and no doubt can pull 10g. Modifications to the computer can make it accept American or Russian ordinance.

I'll call it the F-36 Flanker II. $40M a fighter sounds doable as well.Umm, you know, they invented something called an Su-37 :P (Which we have uberized and made into a VTOL =D )

Though I am mostly an American-tech nation you could probably achieve this all with an Su-35 Flanker modified slightly to hold the fuel tank on the centerline. Take out the Russian engines and put in F-15C engines. While they don't offer as much thrust they get better gas mileage. Or put in F-22 engines for uber-cool :) LOL...Su-35 is easily carrier capable as well and no doubt can pull 10g. Modifications to the computer can make it accept American or Russian ordinance.

I'll call it the F-36 Flanker II. $40M a fighter sounds doable as well.Umm, you know, they invented something called an Su-37 :P (Which we have uberized and made into a VTOL =D )

RGRT I know of the Su-37 but only a few models were built, barely any. Su-37 is basically an Su-35 airframe with thrust-vectoring engines, nothing really different.

Same weights, same range, same ceiling, same speeds, 14 hards for both, same dimensions, etc.

Other than that I'd suggest an F-15C with CFTs. It's certainly got all the spec requirements as well.

Though I am mostly an American-tech nation you could probably achieve this all with an Su-35 Flanker modified slightly to hold the fuel tank on the centerline. Take out the Russian engines and put in F-15C engines. While they don't offer as much thrust they get better gas mileage. Or put in F-22 engines for uber-cool :) LOL...Su-35 is easily carrier capable as well and no doubt can pull 10g. Modifications to the computer can make it accept American or Russian ordinance.

I'll call it the F-36 Flanker II. $40M a fighter sounds doable as well.Umm, you know, they invented something called an Su-37 :P (Which we have uberized and made into a VTOL =D )

RGRT I know of the Su-37 but only a few models were built, barely any. Su-37 is basically an Su-35 airframe with thrust-vectoring engines, nothing really different.

Same weights, same range, same ceiling, same speeds, 14 hards for both, same dimensions, etc.Umm, more powerful engines, thrust vectoring... yeah, I'd say it's a better aircraft alltogether ;)

And quantity doesn't matter... you aren't buying from poor russian nations, you are buying rich nations that manufacture their stuff ;)

Other than that I'd suggest an F-15C with CFTs. It's certainly got all the spec requirements as well.What about some F-15 SMTDs?

lol true. too bad this wasnt a coastal patrol boat competition. I have AWESOME indigenous projects when it comes to naval stuff. Haven't really ventured to AF or ARMY yet but I have an improved Iowa that resurrects the BB and a coastal patrol boat the size of teh Tico, the systems of the aegis, and cheaper.

Going to bed. Maybe I can think of something in my sleep. When does this competition end?

Edit: nevermind, the contest ends 5:00 pm, december 15th.

I am naming this the AMCA (Advanced Main Combat Aircraft) project.

OOC: BUMP!!!!!!!

Bump of war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bumpity-bump

Sorry the only things I could think of were really too good for export. Sorry. Good luck though.

Oh, whoops, I almost forgot to enter this baby:

Raysian Aero RF-9 "Liberator"
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/RF9.gif

Role: Superior Multi-role fighter
Wing Span: 10-12m
Length: 12m
Weight: 26,000 lb empty / 55,000 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Raysian Electric REJH-1200 engines output 22,000 lbs of afterburning thrust each, and both vector thrust up and down.
Maximum speed: Mach 2.1 at 30,000 ft
Cruising speed: Mach 0.9
Range: 1000 km
Service Ceiling: 49,000 ft
g limits: +9g, -6g
Airframe can stand up to 12g's
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, 1 Raysian Arms QAAM Reloaders that holds 6 A2A Missiles with a 30 Second reload time, plus up to 10,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on 6 external points.
Structure: Steel/Aluminum infrastructure, LiquidMetal/Steel/Kevlar Skin. Wings and Tails are designed with variable Geometry for in-flight stability and storage.
Can be carrier capable for no extra charge.

Price: 15 Million USD



It's perfect for new nations looking for a cheap solution to massive numbers of advanced enemy fighters. Maybe we'll enter this into the competition instead... yeah, I think we will. Consider our entry replaced. And -this- we will sell prod. rights for the original contest price.

Oh, whoops, I almost forgot to enter this baby:

Raysian Aero RF-9 "Liberator"
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/RF9.gif

Role: Superior Multi-role fighter
Wing Span: 10-12m
Length: 12m
Weight: 26,000 lb empty / 55,000 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Raysian Electric REJH-1200 engines output 22,000 lbs of afterburning thrust each, and both vector thrust up and down.
Maximum speed: Mach 2.1 at 30,000 ft
Cruising speed: Mach 0.9
Range: 1000 km
Service Ceiling: 49,000 ft
g limits: +9g, -6g
Airframe can stand up to 12g's
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, 1 Raysian Arms QAAM Reloaders that holds 6 A2A Missiles with a 30 Second reload time, plus up to 10,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on 6 external points.
Structure: Steel/Aluminum infrastructure, LiquidMetal/Steel/Kevlar Skin. Wings and Tails are designed with variable Geometry for in-flight stability and storage.
Can be carrier capable for no extra charge.

Price: 15 Million USD



It's perfect for new nations looking for a cheap solution to massive numbers of advanced enemy fighters. Maybe we'll enter this into the competition instead... yeah, I think we will. Consider our entry replaced. And -this- we will sell prod. rights for the original contest price.

it falls short the requriments.

Ceiling and range are to short/low.

Oh, whoops, I almost forgot to enter this baby:

Raysian Aero RF-9 "Liberator"
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/RF9.gif

Role: Superior Multi-role fighter
Wing Span: 10-12m
Length: 12m
Weight: 26,000 lb empty / 55,000 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Raysian Electric REJH-1200 engines output 22,000 lbs of afterburning thrust each, and both vector thrust up and down.
Maximum speed: Mach 2.1 at 30,000 ft
Cruising speed: Mach 0.9
Range: 1000 km
Service Ceiling: 49,000 ft
g limits: +9g, -6g
Airframe can stand up to 12g's
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, 1 Raysian Arms QAAM Reloaders that holds 6 A2A Missiles with a 30 Second reload time, plus up to 10,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on 6 external points.
Structure: Steel/Aluminum infrastructure, LiquidMetal/Steel/Kevlar Skin. Wings and Tails are designed with variable Geometry for in-flight stability and storage.
Can be carrier capable for no extra charge.

Price: 15 Million USD



It's perfect for new nations looking for a cheap solution to massive numbers of advanced enemy fighters. Maybe we'll enter this into the competition instead... yeah, I think we will. Consider our entry replaced. And -this- we will sell prod. rights for the original contest price.

it falls short the requriments.

Ceiling and range are to short/low.

Oh, whoops, I almost forgot to enter this baby:

Raysian Aero RF-9 "Liberator"
http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/RF9.gif

Role: Superior Multi-role fighter
Wing Span: 10-12m
Length: 12m
Weight: 26,000 lb empty / 55,000 lb max. take off
Powerplant: Two Raysian Electric REJH-1200 engines output 22,000 lbs of afterburning thrust each, and both vector thrust up and down.
Maximum speed: Mach 2.1 at 30,000 ft
Cruising speed: Mach 0.9
Range: 1000 km
Service Ceiling: 49,000 ft
g limits: +9g, -6g
Airframe can stand up to 12g's
Armament: One GSh-30-1 30mm cannon on the nose, 1 Raysian Arms QAAM Reloaders that holds 6 A2A Missiles with a 30 Second reload time, plus up to 10,000 lbs including R-73/R-77 AAMs, ASMs, QAAMs, bombs, rockets, drop tanks, and/or ECM pods carried on 6 external points.
Structure: Steel/Aluminum infrastructure, LiquidMetal/Steel/Kevlar Skin. Wings and Tails are designed with variable Geometry for in-flight stability and storage.
Can be carrier capable for no extra charge.

Price: 15 Million USD



It's perfect for new nations looking for a cheap solution to massive numbers of advanced enemy fighters. Maybe we'll enter this into the competition instead... yeah, I think we will. Consider our entry replaced. And -this- we will sell prod. rights for the original contest price.

it falls short the requriments.

Ceiling and range are to short/low.

after exaustive testing, we have determened that the RF-9 Fell short the requriments, and that the archangel, wich had been tested some earlier was much superier. the winner is.... [B]LAYERTEB WITH THE F-36 FLANKER II!!!![B/].