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Join 1989 Anti Communist Alliance now,if you want communitst dictators to pay for their crimes!Justice for the people of the world!

You can always join The Reich. We are against communism as well.

What crimes? I have commited no crimes. I have never allowed mass executions or violated any civil, political rights, nor have I violated any international treaty or diplomatic treaty. In fact, I have banned all WMDs from my nation and I don't have much in the way of an military. The only sterotypical communist way we have is the fact that we are anti-capitalists.

-High Chief Quezalcoatl
USSANL

You can always join The Reich. We are against communism as well.


But the world needs an alliance against commies that contains all rightist-centrist and not evil leftist platforms,not only national socialism like that region.Anyway,still better than nothing,so good luck.

What crimes? I have commited no crimes. I have never allowed mass executions or violated any civil, political rights, nor have I violated any international treaty or diplomatic treaty. In fact, I have banned all WMDs from my nation and I don't have much in the way of an military. The only sterotypical communist way we have is the fact that we are anti-capitalists.

-High Chief Quezalcoatl
USSANL

I'm talking about those who did...Think about the whole Eastern block...

What crimes? I have commited no crimes. I have never allowed mass executions or violated any civil, political rights, nor have I violated any international treaty or diplomatic treaty. In fact, I have banned all WMDs from my nation and I don't have much in the way of an military. The only sterotypical communist way we have is the fact that we are anti-capitalists.

-High Chief Quezalcoatl
USSANL

I'm talking about those who did...Think about the whole Eastern block...

I think i am going to make a thread about Communism and its various forms. Just because it is really nessecary.

What about the crimes of the Western block? What about the USA-backed atrocities in Chile, or those committed in Vietnam? What about the countless innocent people who die every day of illnesses that could be cured if pharmaceutical socities did not hold back on medicines so as not to compromise their own profits? What about those who die of hunger despite the fact enough food is produced to feed the world, while excess food products are destroyed in the West rather than used to feed the hungry... again, so as not to compromise the market and weaken profits? What about the crimes of capitalism which still continue today?

Communism is not bad, communisim does nothing to people. The commie dictatiors do bad things. and then not all Commie dictators.

Oh no and no and no!


Hey,wake up people!
Communism says EQUALITY...so they wanna steal the wealth of the rich and give it the poor!with terror!This is the theorical communism or what...
But what was/is real communism?
death camps in Siberia,dictatorships in the Eastern block,jailed individuals...you think Eastern block was better than western?
Compare French and Polish economy,okay????
And see what they did after 1945 in Central Europe,and in Russia after 1917!
You experienced nazism,and you hate it.We in the East experienced both,and we hate both.

Oh no and no and no!


Hey,wake up people!
Communism says EQUALITY...so they wanna steal the wealth of the rich and give it the poor!with terror!This is the theorical communism or what...
But what was/is real communism?
death camps in Siberia,dictatorships in the Eastern block,jailed individuals...you think Eastern block was better than western?
Compare French and Polish economy,okay????
And see what they did after 1945 in Central Europe,and in Russia after 1917!
You experienced nazism,and you hate it.We in the East experienced both,and we hate both.

I think that the communism that you're referring to is better known as Stalinism. In theory, Communism, aka Marxism, is nothing that is at all employed by modern countries. It was taken into the hands of a few radically psychotic men who led fringe movements that were supposedly for the better of their countries, but, really, they were no better than the preceding government.

Yes, Stalinism and Nazism are both evils in themselves, but, communism isn't. The only reason communism was demonised was because of the Americans believing that because the Russians had fucked it over big time, turning into a political ideology that was no better than Nazism, that is was meant as an evil to destroy the world.

Read the theory of Karl Marx, its exactly the opposite of what we see.

Oh no and no and no!


Hey,wake up people!
Communism says EQUALITY...so they wanna steal the wealth of the rich and give it the poor!with terror!This is the theorical communism or what...
But what was/is real communism?
death camps in Siberia,dictatorships in the Eastern block,jailed individuals...you think Eastern block was better than western?
Compare French and Polish economy,okay????
And see what they did after 1945 in Central Europe,and in Russia after 1917!
You experienced nazism,and you hate it.We in the East experienced both,and we hate both.

I think that the communism that you're referring to is better known as Stalinism. In theory, Communism, aka Marxism, is nothing that is at all employed by modern countries. It was taken into the hands of a few radically psychotic men who led fringe movements that were supposedly for the better of their countries, but, really, they were no better than the preceding government.

Yes, Stalinism and Nazism are both evils in themselves, but, communism isn't. The only reason communism was demonised was because of the Americans believing that because the Russians had f--- it over big time, turning into a political ideology that was no better than Nazism, that is was meant as an evil to destroy the world.

Read the theory of Karl Marx, its exactly the opposite of what we see.

Yes,but the common people in the former eastern block know that evil stuff as communism.but if you want,we can start a campaign against them as "Anti Marxist Alliance"

Communism is an ideal, not an identifiable group, race or identity. You cannot crusade against it. Besides, what you are talking about is only coupled with "comunism" because of American media hysteria and propaganda from the 40's to the 80's (some of it still extends into our current time). Why not crusade against dictatorships which violate basic human rights? That sounds alot more like what you're talking about. There are power-hungry, evil dictators with every ideal in mind around. That or crusade agaist "communist-leaning-nations-with-evil-dictators-who-kill-their-and-other-nations-peoples", if your hung up about communism.

I think i am going to make a thread about Communism and its various forms. Just because it is really nessecary.

*Claps*

Stalin was the crazy man, who made Communism look bad. Actually before his death Lenin, said he didnt want Stalin inherit the Soviet Union, because he said Stalin misunderstood true Communism. I think non-Stalinist Communism is good.

From Karl Marx himself:

Civilisation evolves though 5 stages:

1.Early Communism
2.Capitalism
3.Socialism
4.State Led Communism
5.True Communism

Now the only problem was Lenin and Stalin liked the 4th stage. It ment that had absolute power, and fair do's, i'm sure we all would :wink:

Marx invented the idea of 'True Communism' and if it worked it would've been really kewl. But alas it had a fundemental flaw, Humans...

Humans don't like being equal. Who wants to be the same as joe bloggs. Who wants to live knowing only that what you do is for the 'greater good' and bears no real relevence on the individual? Who wantts to just be 'Normal'?

The answer is no one. People like to know if they work hard they reap the rewards. People don't like knowing no matter how hard they work some one who doesn't work at all will get fed etc because of it. Working people don't really like any kind of socialist government really.

So in conclusion. Communism would work in a perfect world where everyone is complacent and boring. But the world just isn't....

Thanks for listening :wink:

Trix

Doublepost...

Actually, I consider myself Allendist (from Chile's Salvador Allende) He was against private property, but he, unlike many other 'communist' statesmen, wanted to keep democracy.
Not only he was democratically-elected, but also the day the Pinochet coup took place (which, by the way, was implanted by USA, like all coups in latin america), Allende was going to make a referendum to ask its populace whether they wanted to continue with the 'chilean way to socialism' or not.

Trixia, I don't agree with you. Mankind is not inherently evil - The people *become* evil according to their background and education as children and also, if the live a very unhappy life or suffer from problems (unemployment, poverty, etc, which may lead to crime).
If a society with moral education and equality can be created, then the number of evil people will be reduced. It has to be a society with social inclusion and not exclusion and a society where everyone's abilities are valorated. As Plato would have said, an ''Eudaimonic" society.

I think this thread is becoming more OOC than IC. :)

The obvious problem is, people's mentalities need to change before they can live in a truly communist society (ie anarchic, libertarian-socialist, etc...). Amongst other things, they need to abandon greed for money as the driving force in life. Which isn't easy when everyone grows up being told that wealth equals success, that they have a right to place their own search for wealth above all other concerns including social justice, and so forth... Imposing communism and THEN trying to change peoples' mentalities is tricky at best. (The reverse problem being, how do you change peoples' mentalities without giving them communism?).

BTW, Trixia, I think the second stage (in between early communism and capitalism) is feodalism.

Other dictators...
...and even communist dictators should pay.
In Nürnberg only nazis did.
We need a court where commies do so.
Someone said American propaganda 40's-80's...maybe it's only a propaganda for those on the western side of the iron curtain...
crusade against them...what did they do against their opposers and the wealthy when they were in power???
And of course don't forget what they did to the economy in their nations...

Join 1989 Anti Communist Alliance now,if you want communitst dictators to pay for their crimes!Justice for the people of the world!

1.I have not comitted any crimes.

2.I am not a dictator, I am the Chairman of the Communist Party, elected by the people.

3.Is it justice that one family goes poor because it has no capital (money) due to the fact they are paid small wages, wile one family owns a major corperation and lives the high life?

:roll:

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-Dr.Ivan Yuri Ulrich, Chairman of the Communist Party of Paradiszia.

Other dictators...
...and even communist dictators should pay.
In Nürnberg only nazis did.
We need a court where commies do so.
Someone said American propaganda 40's-80's...maybe it's only a propaganda for those on the western side of the iron curtain...
crusade against them...what did they do against their opposers and the wealthy when they were in power???
And of course don't forget what they did to the economy in their nations...

So logically you also believe the governments of the West of the past few decades, and most notably those of the US, should pay for the crimes they committed. Such as the installing of pro-American dictators around South America and the world, or assassination of left-wing politicians by the CIA (Lumumba, failed attempts against Castro...), not to mention war atrocities committed in Vietnam... Surely you believe this, or you would be advocating double standards.

Other dictators...
...and even communist dictators should pay.
In Nürnberg only nazis did.
We need a court where commies do so.
Someone said American propaganda 40's-80's...maybe it's only a propaganda for those on the western side of the iron curtain...
crusade against them...what did they do against their opposers and the wealthy when they were in power???
And of course don't forget what they did to the economy in their nations...

So logically you also believe the governments of the West of the past few decades, and most notably those of the US, should pay for the crimes they committed. Such as the installing of pro-American dictators around South America and the world, or assassination of left-wing politicians by the CIA (Lumumba, failed attempts against Castro...), not to mention war atrocities committed in Vietnam... Surely you believe this, or you would be advocating double standards.

Well said, Ariddia. I second this. :D
The US continues to be the most hypocrit and imperialist country in the world. Not only imposes its devastating free-market economic policies on other 3rd world countries, but also has implanted puppet murderous dictatorships all over the world, specially in latin america, where USA is indirectly responsible for more than 4 million deaths.
This, while at the same time the country hypocriticly claimed to be 'the safeguard of democracy and civil rights'.

If these dictators should be judged, then the USA must be judged too.

The call for communism to be abolished is ridiculous because if we have an anti communism alliance then an anti- facism alliance should be created. All anti- democracy extremist politics is a danger to the peoples of the free world. Democracy is the only way for us to make a stronger world. Thank you, King of Morganton.

Being anti-communist does not necessarily mean being against the political or social mechanisms used to enforce a communist point of view. It may mean being against *communism*.

That is, absolutely committed to enforcing a society in which people earn their keep, where no one has the right to steal others' fairly earned property using government power, where the right to own property and accumulate wealth is held dear, and state-mandated equality is absolutely and unequivocally rejected.

(Of course, I'm not necessarily in favor of such a view. But I can name quite a few people who are.)

I strongly disagree!! Take any action against me for being Communist and I shall dispose.

Join 1989 Anti Communist Alliance now,if you want communitst dictators to pay for their crimes!Justice for the people of the world!

1.I have not comitted any crimes.

2.I am not a dictator, I am the Chairman of the Communist Party, elected by the people.

3.Is it justice that one family goes poor because it has no capital (money) due to the fact they are paid small wages, wile one family owns a major corperation and lives the high life?

:roll:

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-Dr.Ivan Yuri Ulrich, Chairman of the Communist Party of Paradiszia.

Hear, hear. Agreed with. An example of inequity in Capitalist pay is entertainers vs. educators. Is one really better than the other? If any it's the one most commonly under paid; the educator. In Communism we seek justice by balancing the weights and any those who abuse the system is harshly punished.

I think that the idea that every person should fit in the same form is horrible. Machine made products all look the same, but handmade pieces don't. So I ask you which do you like better, a hand made piece with its own personality or a machinemade piece that everyone has an exact copy of?
The same principle applies to people! We can't even with the most evil technologies make two people exactly the same in both mind and body. Except for killing the persons and burning the bodies, but that's not right, I think we can all agree on that. If that is the only thing we can do to achieve ultimate equality, I think we should abandon the whole idea.

Communism is a classless utopia where none are rich and none are poor, where technology strives and medicine is free for the good of the human race. Communism is EQUALITY. Now, I am aware of the dictatorships being paired with Communism, and seeing how I myself am a dictator, I would like to not make Communist dictators sound like the bad guys.

For starters, I would like to point out that my nation is not Communist. It is Stalinist, as the name depicts. We strive for a Communist society just like our glorious teacher Comrade Stalin, but to achieve this we must control the population so as not to allow them to see the lies of the capitalists depicting Communism as evil and corrupt. Stalinism is the only way we can effectively build towards a pure Communist society. Through a dictatorship controlling the media and everyday life I am able to convince my people what needs to be done and how to stop the capitalists from undermining our efforts of working towards world Communism. Capitalists spies could be everywhere, so I must keep a constant watch on my population so as not to allow them to move away from our cause--achieving Communism--because the capitalists and fascists convinced them to. Quite basically in my eyes, Socialist Stalinism is the final step before achieving Communism. I control my people to protect them from capitalist and fascist influence and from traitors within my glorious nation.

I think that the idea that every person should fit in the same form is horrible. Machine made products all look the same, but handmade pieces don't. So I ask you which do you like better, a hand made piece with its own personality or a machinemade piece that everyone has an exact copy of?
The same principle applies to people! We can't even with the most evil technologies make two people exactly the same in both mind and body. Except for killing the persons and burning the bodies, but that's not right, I think we can all agree on that. If that is the only thing we can do to achieve ultimate equality, I think we should abandon the whole idea.

Nobody is denying anyone the priviledge of being their own true colour. They're all simply given the same oppurtunities with no discrimination.

I find myself incapable of conciliating with the idea that communism should be abandoned because some nations find the benefits of such unachievable. It is true that we're built from the same block, but as I have said, nobody is being denied their true colours. In fact, it is not just about equality. It is about unity. We strive together, we work together, we earn together.

The idea of a nation built on economic equality is for me, absurd. The Communist nations blatantly lied when they claimed to uphold this ideal. On the other hand, if this ideal were achieved, what would be the incentive to achieve anything. Economic equality means that the guy that works his ass off gets the same stuff the guy that does nothing gets. That's just dumb.

The call for communism to be abolished is ridiculous because if we have an anti communism alliance then an anti- facism alliance should be created. All anti- democracy extremist politics is a danger to the peoples of the free world. Democracy is the only way for us to make a stronger world. Thank you, King of Morganton.


I think there are some million anti-fascist alliances all over the planet...
Democracy...so allow people to run parties like NSDAP was?

With a nod to the bipedal cow, comrade Igo blurts out, "We've a light carrier named CS Allende, you know! Commissioned on the 11th of September, of course."

I disagree with Communism, Socialism, etc. I believe in free enterprise and capitalism. People have the right to succeed. All men are CREATED equal -- that doesn't mean they have to STAY equal. Economic equality (Socialism) is virtually impossible without f***ing your economy. Besides, if a poor person doesn't work, why SHOULD the lazy alchoholic bum get welfare?

I myself am a dictator (that's what Czars really are, anyway), but I am surely not a Communist. I model my country to fit my idealistic views. I don't care if a street bum is sleeping in a box outside Bill Gates' house -- Bill succeeded, the street bum didn't. I agree with Andrew Carnigie, that the rich should WILLINGLY give to the poor, but I do NOT believe the government should step in and FORCE them to give -- it's their money, not the peoples, it's just the right thing to give. Yes, I model my country in my idealistic views, but I break and bend my views if it is logical that the economy will succeed. The rich SHOULD give to the poor, but if you make the government forcefully redistribute the wealth, you pretty much f*** your economy, and that is NOT a good thing.

"Cormade dictator," Igo conflictingly began, "you appear to be seeking to create an impression of unity between czarism and communism. This is baffling, to say the least. The two could hardly be more contrary.

"It is worth noting that Beth Gellert's economy is more than twice the size of Derscon's, and hardly appears blanked at all.

"Most of your address is directed to the end that socialist economies are doomed to failure, and I really can not add much beyond what I have already described."

Igo departed to drunkenly enjoy his share of The People's Commonwealth's seventy trillion dollar economy, at some stage during the evening mailing Bill Gates a cardboard box, formerly containing shilling vouchers amounting to more than the capitalist's entire wealth. He even cut a little door into it, for easy access. Sleep well, comrade Gates, for tomorrow we purchase and nationalise your assets!

Oh,no,economy is only one point of view,think of the opression and civil rights!Why do you think that Stalin was better than Hitler???

Oh,no,economy is only one point of view,think of the opression and civil rights!Why do you think that Stalin was better than Hitler???

Death to communism. I hate oppressive regimes and we all know Communism doesn't work.


General Zircon, Desra

Join 1989 Anti Communist Alliance now,if you want communitst dictators to pay for their crimes!Justice for the people of the world!

You are insane! Now I do not agree entirely with communismeither, your fears are perpetuated by arbitrary US propaganda! Although the whole system still doesnt quite work, Communism does have some good ideas.