NationStates Jolt Archive

The following nations are ignored by Menelmacar.

- Praetor: Insta-Vorlons.
- Orm Embar: Regenerating golden space station the size of Texas.
- Thelas: Absolutely ridiculous stats on his ships.
- Iesus Christi: OOC agreement with the player.
- Any nation run by Freebodnik's player: OOC agreement with the player.

That's it for now unless I can think of someone else.

~Siri

Not a very pleasant attitude for a game mod.

Nations ignored by Nastic

Menelmacar :lol:

whats an insta vorlons?

Not a very pleasant attitude for a game mod.

Nations ignored by Nastic

Menelmacar :lol:

Don't mess with the mod that brought my nation back!

Ignore List:
NASTIC 2

Not a very pleasant attitude for a game mod.

Nations ignored by Nastic

Menelmacar :lol:

You can't ignore a MOD! Tis Blastphemy!! :wink:

Not a very pleasant attitude for a game mod.

Nations ignored by Nastic

Menelmacar :lol:

You can't ignore a MOD! Tis Blastphomy!!(sp?)

lol

Not a very pleasant attitude for a game mod.

Nations ignored by Nastic

Menelmacar :lol:

You can't ignore a MOD! Tis Blastphomy!!(sp?)

Blasphemy. ;)

I think they also brought a nation back for me but you cant live on past glories and Im sure they arent worried by my little joke.

whats an insta vorlons?
That's when you don't RP for three months and then come back claiming to have three thousand Vorlon ships and a pair of planet-killers.

~Siri

whats an insta vorlons?
That's when you don't RP for three months and then come back claiming to have three thousand Vorlon ships and a pair of planet-killers.

~Siri

lol

- Iesus Christi: OOC agreement with the player.

OOC: Aw, man, now we can't go crush him. :cry:

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Not a very pleasant attitude for a game mod.

Nations ignored by Nastic

Menelmacar :lol:

You can't ignore a MOD! Tis Blastphomy!!(sp?)

Blasphemy. ;)

Cheers :wink:

- Iesus Christi: OOC agreement with the player.

OOC: Aw, man, now we can't go crush him. :cry:

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia
Well, you're welcome to...

~Siri

First noting with some suprise that I'm not even mentioned anywhere on here. Perhaps I'm not worth the attention....

The following nations are ignored by Menelmacar.

- Praetor: Insta-Vorlons.
- Orm Embar: Regenerating golden space station the size of Texas.
- Thelas: Absolutely ridiculous stats on his ships.
- Iesus Christi: OOC agreement with the player.
- Any nation run by Freebodnik's player: OOC agreement with the player.

That's it for now unless I can think of someone else.

~Siri

Please note the bolded name. I may be mistaken, but I thought Thelas was your envoy/servant/pitiful lapdog/whatever other title he has? I mean, you can't very well ignore him if he is used in that fashion, pretty much invalidates whatever RP that's been done in such fashion.

Of course I could be way off and just wasting everyone's time by asking this silly quetion.....

Hey, I remember people used to make threads like this all time.

I wonder why people suddenly stopped doing it...

Oh, that's right...

Because all of those threads were LOCKED

MODALERT :!:

Hey, I remember people used to make threads like this all time.

I wonder why people suddenly stopped doing it...

Oh, that's right...

Because all of those threads were LOCKED

MODALERT :!:

:? You're asking for a modalert to a thread started BY A MOD :lol:

Hey, I remember people used to make threads like this all time.

I wonder why people suddenly stopped doing it...

Oh, that's right...

Because all of those threads were LOCKED

MODALERT :!:
Helloooooooo did you notice who did this thread? A mod. Its kidna hard to modalert a thread a mod started is kind of stupid to do so too..........considering some mod would have already seen this. (aka the creator.......)

:? You're asking for a modalert to a thread started BY A MOD :lol:
Very observant of you.

Mods have to follow the same rules as we do.

:? You're asking for a modalert to a thread started BY A MOD :lol:
Very observant of you.

Mods have to follow the same rules as we do.


I think you're missing the point
Modalerts do nothing. The mods have told us this.

whats an insta vorlons?
That's when you don't RP for three months and then come back claiming to have three thousand Vorlon ships and a pair of planet-killers.

~Siri

<sigh> and here the RCO thought it was nifty when we built up a nuclear navy....remind us never to fight these space types.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

I think you're missing the point
Modalerts do nothing. The mods have told us this.

No, you're missing the point. Do you think she'd really lock her own thread?

The modalert was just for dramatic effect. :P

I think you're missing the point
Modalerts do nothing. The mods have told us this.

No, you're missing the point. Do you think she'd really lock her own thread?

The modalert was just for dramatic effect. :P

The point is, if a mod does it, then surely it is acceptable.
Dramatic effect...yeah right.

The point is, if a mod does it, then surely it is acceptable.
*sigh*

The mods are not allowed to break the rules.

The point is, if a mod does it, then surely it is acceptable.
*sigh*

The mods are not allowed to break the rules.

ok, ok. So there is a rule that says "No ignore threads are permitted". Please direct me to it.

Well, there is a rule against flamebait. And I said before that people used to make threads like these, but they were locked because they always led to flaming. I don't see why Menelmacar should be exempt from that rule.

[Is astounded at the inability of several to grasp the point of Raevyn's first post, so much so that he feels the need to post announcement of said astonishment]

I should note the closest thing to a flame this thread has baited has been excessive whining on the part of certain people who have nothing better to do with their time than accuse me of flamebaiting.

Further such will be deleted. Thank you, drive through.

~Siri

Yes, but Crimmond raised a valid point... *quails* Never mind, mrs. Scary...

First noting with some suprise that I'm not even mentioned anywhere on here. Perhaps I'm not worth the attention....

The following nations are ignored by Menelmacar.

- Praetor: Insta-Vorlons.
- Orm Embar: Regenerating golden space station the size of Texas.
- Thelas: Absolutely ridiculous stats on his ships.
- Iesus Christi: OOC agreement with the player.
- Any nation run by Freebodnik's player: OOC agreement with the player.

That's it for now unless I can think of someone else.

~Siri

Please note the bolded name. I may be mistaken, but I thought Thelas was your envoy/servant/pitiful lapdog/whatever other title he has? I mean, you can't very well ignore him if he is used in that fashion, pretty much invalidates whatever RP that's been done in such fashion.

Of course I could be way off and just wasting everyone's time by asking this silly quetion.....

I think this is a valid question. Honestly not an attempt at flamebaiting, etc. Just want to know.

Hey, I remember people used to make threads like this all time.

I wonder why people suddenly stopped doing it...

Oh, that's right...

Because all of those threads were LOCKED

MODALERT :!:

:? You're asking for a modalert to a thread started BY A MOD :lol: But it is another matter if such threads have traditionally been locked by the mods. I think that it would by quite hypocritical if the mods were to violate the 'common law' that they themselves have set through past rulings.

I should note the closest thing to a flame this thread has baited has been excessive whining on the part of certain people who have nothing better to do with their time than accuse me of flamebaiting.

Further such will be deleted. Thank you, drive through.

~Siri

As a member of the NS community I am concerned about such a response to a reasonable question about an apparent double standard. Is it now the mod policy to let "Ignore List" threads live, and to prune these threads of any opinions that the thread's originator disagrees with? I am not baiting a flame here, but rather asking a mod for clarification on the consistency of this ruling with past rulings.

Yeah, at first glance, it does seem like a rather blaintent double standard.

Not a very pleasant attitude for a game mod.

Nations ignored by Nastic

Menelmacar :lol:

You can't ignore a MOD! Tis Blastphomy!!(sp?)

Blasphemy. ;)

I thought it was supposed to be BLASTphemy, if you know what I mean. ;)

As to all threads on this subject being locked, maybe one could simply lock this thread as well, or simply put every ignore into one thread.

Well, there is a rule against flamebait. And I said before that people used to make threads like these, but they were locked because they always led to flaming. I don't see why Menelmacar should be exempt from that rule.

OOC: May I point out that this far noone on the Ignore list has complained? But only people that has not yet been placed there? That might be some kind of proof that this already has been discussed with them and comes as no big surprise. Considering how many people follow Menelmacar this thread fills a function for her to point out which nation she wont interact with so that her lapdogs wont come crying to mama when they step on some by Siri ignored toes and gets squashed.

ooc:

You know, even though I oppose the concept of ignoring, I had great fun realizing that Thelas got the boot! 8)

Menelmacar abusing mod rights again :roll:

This place is turning into NaziStates fourms.

Menelmacar abusing mod rights again :roll:

This place is turning into NaziStates fourms.

you forgot to add [/nag]

ooc: Angelus made a thread like this and no one whined, complained or called it flambaiting. But then Menelmacar makes one and suddenly it's flamebaiting and everyone whines and nags. It's stupid, just leave it alone, you're not being ignored by Menelmacar then I think you have no right to complain or whine about this thread. Just let it be allright? Or is it so hard just to ignore this thread?

ooc:

You know, even though I oppose the concept of ignoring, I had great fun realizing that Thelas got the boot! 8)

OOC: I OOC resent that...

Okay, for Menelmacars' benefit, and so that I can actualy RP with her, kinda important for my story line ya know, I see that she saw that weapons stats on my ships. Okay, I agree that those are the hell of a lot of missile tubes. These tubes are SMALL, the missiles they fire are about, let me see, five feet longby six inches wide. As you can see, stacked in a 3-D manner, the ammount of tubes can be understood.

The AP guns are also very small, each one is only somewhat larger than a WW2 .50 cal browning machine gun. The power is supplied by Fusion reactors.

Also, I am sorry to admit this, but I drew up the stats at three in the morning, so probably I should take another look at them. I am willing to accept chanes, can any one please give me a good reason to IGNORE me, as in, down to a number setting.

I will find that stats in question. By the way, Menelmacars' list is reasonable, it is not (IMHO) as flame-baity as Angelus' list, Menelmacar actualy gives some (good) reasons.

OOC: BUMP, I am drawing up the stats right now, I lost my hard drive recently, so I am trying to find my NATIONSTATES back-up disk

Fleet Stat:

1 Carrier
2 Pocket Battleships
4 Battle Cruisers
8 Frigates
16 Cruisers
24 Destroyers

Carrier:

The Thelasian Carrier is a massive affair, twice the length and height of a RL US Super Carrier, the Thelas Main Fleet Tactical Support Fighter, or TMFTSF is the largest of common place Thelasian battle weapons. Lightly Armed, the Coscare (The command ship of this fleet) is armed mainly with anti-missile Point Defense Weapons, designed to put up a curtain of weapons fire around the valuable fleet ship.

800 Anti-Fighter Accelerated Particle Cannons (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
1600 Anti-Missile AP Cannons (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
120 Fighters
60 Bombers
10 Flying Air Destroyers

Pocket Battleships:

These two ships were deigned to meet the need to a fast ship that could carry more weapons than the common battle cruiser. The MFSB, or Main Fleet Small Battleship, is armed with,

100 Forward Torpedo Tubes
400 Side Tubes (port and starboard)
400 Y-Tubes (ventral and dorsal)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (port and starboard)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (ventral and dorsal)
8 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (ventral, dorsal, port, and starboard)

Battle Cruisers:

The Battle Cruiser is in all forms a smaller faster version of the Pocket Battleship, designed to fly ahead, with the fighters, and sweep away larger targets that the fighters could not destroy. Heavily Armed for their size, the FSB, or Fleet Support Battlecruisier, is capable of reaching up to Mach Five in the atmosphere, and is equipped with Slipstream drives and Hyper drives for intersystem usage.

80 Forward Tubes
320 Side Tubes
320 Y-Tubes
96 AP Cannons (port and starboard)
96 AP Cannons (ventral and dorsal)
4 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)


The Frigates:

The Frigates were designed as the Thelas Fleets’ main close-combat warship. Unlike the Cruiser (Detailed in Next section), the Frigate Concentrates on Cutting Beams rather than missile tubes. Just as fast as the battle cruiser, the Frigate is much more maneuverable, able to run circles around larger ships, and able to obliterate small vessels.

48 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
12 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (bow and stern)

The Cruisers

The Cruisers were built as Thelas’ long range warships, built to out run larger warships, the cruiser is capable of running at Mach 7, while peppering those vessels with missiles, the cruiser is the best long range ship in the Thelas Navy.

150 Forward Torpedo Tubes
600 Side Tubes (port and starboard)
600 Y-Tubes (ventral and dorsal)

The Destroyers

The Destroyer are the work horse ships of the Thelas Navy, capable of running at Mach 6, the Destroyer is a fast and deadly vessel. Concentrating on AP weapons, the destroyer is especially deadly against smaller fighters and corvettes. The warships’ fast moving cannons capable of tracking all but the fastest of opponents.

800 Anti-Fighter Accelerated Particle Cannons (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (port and starboard)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (ventral and dorsal)

Found the stupid thing, sorry for the delay.

EDIT: Added fleet stats

ooc: Angelus made a thread like this and no one whined, complained or called it flambaiting. But then Menelmacar makes one and suddenly it's flamebaiting and everyone whines and nags. It's stupid, just leave it alone, you're not being ignored by Menelmacar then I think you have no right to complain or whine about this thread. Just let it be allright? Or is it so hard just to ignore this thread?

Well spoken.

800 Anti-Fighter Accelerated Particle Cannons (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
1600 Anti-Missile AP Cannons (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
120 Fighters
60 Bombers
10 Flying Air Destroyers

###

100 Forward Torpedo Tubes
400 Side Tubes (port and starboard)
400 Y-Tubes (ventral and dorsal)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (port and starboard)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (ventral and dorsal)
8 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (ventral, dorsal, port, and starboard)

###

80 Forward Tubes
320 Side Tubes
320 Y-Tubes
96 AP Cannons (port and starboard)
96 AP Cannons (ventral and dorsal)
4 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)

###

48 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
12 Anti Capital Ship Cutting Beams (bow and stern)

###

150 Forward Torpedo Tubes
600 Side Tubes (port and starboard)
600 Y-Tubes (ventral and dorsal)

###

800 Anti-Fighter Accelerated Particle Cannons (dorsal, ventral, port, and starboard)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (port and starboard)
120 Accelerated Particle Cannons (ventral and dorsal)



Do you realize that you would need targeting systems the size of a small village?

Please note the bolded name. I may be mistaken, but I thought Thelas was your envoy/servant/pitiful lapdog/whatever other title he has? I mean, you can't very well ignore him if he is used in that fashion, pretty much invalidates whatever RP that's been done in such fashion.



Begin humor mode :
I thought that was Roania LOL
End humor mode.

You reminded me why I don't go space tech.

:D

Not flaming but a question to mods:

Are ignore list threads permitted or not?

Locking ignore threads is fine. Not locking them is fine. Making a rule that they are OK until they start attracting flames is OK. Any rule is OK. But surely the rule has to be the same for everyone?

[quote=Thelas]

snip/quote]


Do you realize that you would need targeting systems the size of a small village?

Each Thelasian Warship, over the size of a Cruiser (note: Frigates are bigger than Cruisers) has a very powerfull AI program. Also, those are the numbers for the guns themselves, each gun does not require its own fire conrtoll, each turret requires fire control.

About the missile tubes, each missile is a "fire and forget" weapon for most of the time, the ships' AI can control the missiles if it wants to, but usualy the missiles use their own in built computers.

And for the record, I never said that this was flam-baity, I said that the Angelus list was flame-baity.

Actually The Angelus Ignore thread became flame baity as time went on...Part due to responses...part due to Angelus updates and reworking of the first post...(It all but called a few people a** holes) So...as far as i can see we haven't gotten there yet...

(I have my own problems with Siri both OOC and ICly but then I doubt anyone of importance cares)
Judgement at some level always becomes subjective...Although I can see some of the mods being less tolerant of this than others...complaining about a double standard as 'this hasn't been locked like Angelus' (which reached page 12) is a bit nitpicky...

I should note the closest thing to a flame this thread has baited has been excessive whining on the part of certain people who have nothing better to do with their time than accuse me of flamebaiting.

Further such will be deleted. Thank you, drive through.
Oh, just because I raise a complaint, that's "whining?" I fail to see any post of mine in this thread in which I whined. I know you hate me, but you could at least have the decency to pay me at least a little respect.

So the mods can delete posts of people who disagree with them? Funny, I always thought that that was considered an abuse of powers.

BTW, calling my reasonable posts "whining" and saying that I have "nothing better to do with my time" seems a little flamey to me.

OOC: May I point out that this far noone on the Ignore list has complained? But only people that has not yet been placed there? That might be some kind of proof that this already has been discussed with them and comes as no big surprise.
In those other threads I mentioned, some of them were locked straight away with hardly anyone even posting in the thread. Mods are allowed to lock threads that have the potential to result in flaming, and threads like these have a known history of erupting into a sea of flames.
ooc: Angelus made a thread like this and no one whined, complained or called it flambaiting. But then Menelmacar makes one and suddenly it's flamebaiting and everyone whines and nags. It's stupid, just leave it alone, you're not being ignored by Menelmacar then I think you have no right to complain or whine about this thread. Just let it be allright? Or is it so hard just to ignore this thread?
I'm afraid that I missed the thread made by Angelus.

Whine? Nag? Stupid? Please. The only people flaming here are the ones in defense of this thread. I'll thank you to settle down and handle this in a mature manner.

Someone who isn't being ignored by Menelmacar has every right to raise a complaint about a double standard. Just because it doesn't affect someone, that doesn't mean that that person has to sit down and shut up.

Alright. I freely admit that it's been a long time since I've actually posted anything of relative importance here and I've only lurked intermittently, but this does indeed sound like a double standard, particularly after Siri said:

I should note the closest thing to a flame this thread has baited has been excessive whining on the part of certain people who have nothing better to do with their time than accuse me of flamebaiting.

Further such will be deleted. Thank you, drive through.

As a former mod here and an admin in another forum, I don't threaten to delete posts unless they actually break the rules, which Raevyn hasn't.

*shakes head*

I don't know who you are, but you aren't the Siri that I talk to online and used to RP with.

I'm sorry, but this seems a little newbie-ish.

[Tag - Ignorance is bliss...]

[OOC: Oooh, so I'm not ignored by Menelmacar, whether it be for a valid reason or absolutely no reason whatsoever... yet.]

Tag, because.

[OOC: ...and I'm not added yet. Well, Siri, don't forget: you said you'd be ignoring me. Hurry up and add me, now. :P]

Still waiting for Menel to veiw my explanation...

It is kinda hard to be Menelmacars puppet, I mean, protectorate, when she is IGNOREing me...

Am I on your list? :?

Still waiting for Menel to veiw my explanation...

It is kinda hard to be Menelmacars puppet, I mean, protectorate, when she is IGNOREing me...

And why would you WANT to be her protectorate?

He's a nutcase thats why.*nodnod*

Oh, that explains it.

I'm still waiting for a reply about her abuse of power. *taps foot* Or why this thread hasn't been locked yet.

*enters thread, then leaves*

Oh, that explains it.

I'm still waiting for a reply about her abuse of power. *taps foot* Or why this thread hasn't been locked yet.

Just a note, the starter of a thread can demand that certain people simply do not post in his thread, he can ask mods to remove their posts. (AFAIK, IIRC there were such occasions). So it is not an abuse of power.

Okay, that addresses one thing, but as far as I've been told, threads such as these have been traditionally locked because they become flame bait. I want to know why it has not been locked and why she started it in the first place.

Of course, I also don't think it's fair to delete someone's comments because you disagree with them.

One absolutely, positively cannot ignore a two ton walrus.

[quote=Thelas]

snip/quote]


Do you realize that you would need targeting systems the size of a small village?

Each Thelasian Warship, over the size of a Cruiser (note: Frigates are bigger than Cruisers) has a very powerfull AI program. Also, those are the numbers for the guns themselves, each gun does not require its own fire conrtoll, each turret requires fire control.

About the missile tubes, each missile is a "fire and forget" weapon for most of the time, the ships' AI can control the missiles if it wants to, but usualy the missiles use their own in built computers.

And for the record, I never said that this was flam-baity, I said that the Angelus list was flame-baity.
Thelus buddy, I'm older than you are and I don't claim that my targeting systems are run by an AI! In fact, the only nations that do are usually the major Space powers as they need them for obvious reasons, and have obvious evidence on how they could create/have the tech. Furthermore, the point of built in computers on your missiles is actually useless unless used in conjunction with a targetting system. The missile cannot judge and redirect itself solely due to a computer inside, it needs instruction, the comp inside just helps calculate adjustments and in some cases erratic movement to avoid being shot down.

Lastly, I'd still like to know the number of weapons per turret. If its less than around a dozen you've still got major targetting issues, not to mention supply, personnel, and the fact that the ship would have to be so large it'd get sunk in a moment by a bunch of subs from a nation more advanced then you. You may claim your Sub-defence is good, but unfortunately there is always somebody who concentrates on that area, and they will be able to slip through.

So for now at least I'm gonna have to ignore that class of ship, and any other I see coming out of your shipyards with those kind of stats.

Okay, that addresses one thing, but as far as I've been told, threads such as these have been traditionally locked because they become flame bait. I want to know why it has not been locked and why she started it in the first place.

Of course, I also don't think it's fair to delete someone's comments because you disagree with them.

1. Well, Actually, i have never seen one of this threads being locked. Angelus` one, as a matter of fact, wasn´t locked.

Granted, such threads are useless, and they are sorta flamebait, they are a waste of space, and I would agree that such things should be illegal...

But unlike Raevyn, i have never seen evidence that they are illegal, so they seem to be legal...

2. Theoretically, yes. But it can become sorta annoying...

[quote=Thelas]

snip/quote]


Do you realize that you would need targeting systems the size of a small village?

Each Thelasian Warship, over the size of a Cruiser (note: Frigates are bigger than Cruisers) has a very powerfull AI program. Also, those are the numbers for the guns themselves, each gun does not require its own fire conrtoll, each turret requires fire control.

About the missile tubes, each missile is a "fire and forget" weapon for most of the time, the ships' AI can control the missiles if it wants to, but usualy the missiles use their own in built computers.

And for the record, I never said that this was flam-baity, I said that the Angelus list was flame-baity.
Thelus buddy, I'm older than you are and I don't claim that my targeting systems are run by an AI! In fact, the only nations that do are usually the major Space powers as they need them for obvious reasons, and have obvious evidence on how they could create/have the tech. Furthermore, the point of built in computers on your missiles is actually useless unless used in conjunction with a targetting system. The missile cannot judge and redirect itself solely due to a computer inside, it needs instruction, the comp inside just helps calculate adjustments and in some cases erratic movement to avoid being shot down.

Lastly, I'd still like to know the number of weapons per turret. If its less than around a dozen you've still got major targetting issues, not to mention supply, personnel, and the fact that the ship would have to be so large it'd get sunk in a moment by a bunch of subs from a nation more advanced then you. You may claim your Sub-defence is good, but unfortunately there is always somebody who concentrates on that area, and they will be able to slip through.

So for now at least I'm gonna have to ignore that class of ship, and any other I see coming out of your shipyards with those kind of stats.

I think you forgot these are spaceships... Well, actualy, they are grav-ships... You see, I am a "far-future yet messes around in modern" tech nations (When I do modern RPs I say that my battleships have the same stats as a RL battleship and so on, unless the host nation decides to let me use say, Grav-Ships with out space travel. At any rate, this point is kinda moot, as Menelmacar has taken away all of my weapons...

How can she have taken away your weapons or RPd at all with you when you're on the ignore list?

You can't have it both ways, people, either ignore someone or don't.

How can she have taken away your weapons or RPd at all with you when you're on the ignore list?

You can't have it both ways, people, either ignore someone or don't.


I think she has un-IGNOREd me, but has not yet updated this list.

Oh, okay.

+1

+2

So you choose to forgive and forget all that crap I did? I thank ye for it. :)

In retrospect, nation selling WAS pretty stupid. 'Twas fun though, but still stupid.

PUT ME ON THE LIST!

Even if you don't ignore me, it'd be nice to revel in the controversy this thread has started.... And to see my name in Siri's spiffy first post...

The cheese has gone terribly bad.

[quote=Thelas]

snip/quote]


Do you realize that you would need targeting systems the size of a small village?

Each Thelasian Warship, over the size of a Cruiser (note: Frigates are bigger than Cruisers) has a very powerfull AI program. Also, those are the numbers for the guns themselves, each gun does not require its own fire conrtoll, each turret requires fire control.

About the missile tubes, each missile is a "fire and forget" weapon for most of the time, the ships' AI can control the missiles if it wants to, but usualy the missiles use their own in built computers.

And for the record, I never said that this was flam-baity, I said that the Angelus list was flame-baity.
Thelus buddy, I'm older than you are and I don't claim that my targeting systems are run by an AI! In fact, the only nations that do are usually the major Space powers as they need them for obvious reasons, and have obvious evidence on how they could create/have the tech. Furthermore, the point of built in computers on your missiles is actually useless unless used in conjunction with a targetting system. The missile cannot judge and redirect itself solely due to a computer inside, it needs instruction, the comp inside just helps calculate adjustments and in some cases erratic movement to avoid being shot down.

Lastly, I'd still like to know the number of weapons per turret. If its less than around a dozen you've still got major targetting issues, not to mention supply, personnel, and the fact that the ship would have to be so large it'd get sunk in a moment by a bunch of subs from a nation more advanced then you. You may claim your Sub-defence is good, but unfortunately there is always somebody who concentrates on that area, and they will be able to slip through.

So for now at least I'm gonna have to ignore that class of ship, and any other I see coming out of your shipyards with those kind of stats.

I think you forgot these are spaceships... Well, actualy, they are grav-ships... You see, I am a "far-future yet messes around in modern" tech nations (When I do modern RPs I say that my battleships have the same stats as a RL battleship and so on, unless the host nation decides to let me use say, Grav-Ships with out space travel. At any rate, this point is kinda moot, as Menelmacar has taken away all of my weapons...
Ahhhhhhhh! You see, I had believe that this was refering to some kind of future battleship in the oceanic sense! Well, you'd still be under threat from swarming suicide shuttles, note the alliteration, but its slightly more realistic.

Yes, it can be confusing because grav-ships can operate in space OR in the atmosphere (or under water for that matter). As I said, this is a moot point because Menelmacar has taken away all of my weapons of war, and the ships I am now building are going to be of a completly diferent class.

Usually threads like this have gotten locked for what happens in them, not for their existance.

Many players have created threads like this, both IC and OOC, but they haven't been locked just for doing so. As I said, it's usually because the thread turns into rampant flaming.

Odds are it may degenerate into flames, but it isn't flame-bait in and of itself, and the only people seriously complaining are Raevyn and Thelas.

...and Thelas seems to be seeking clarification as opposed to complaining.

The following nations are ignored by Menelmacar.

etc.

That's it for now unless I can think of someone else.

Aw, I was sure that WN would make this list .. I'm gutted.

LOL,

WN

I think this issue needs to be looked at from both sides.

I think that there are some people who, frankly, do not get along with Siri. It happens, but you don't have to go around ruining everything that she puts up "just because". I have noticed that Siri's threads are usually congested with naysayers, while far more controversial threads are left wide open.

I don't personally agree with ignore threads, because they serve little purpose besides clearly outlining who doesn't get along. However, I don't see the point of posting in an ignore thread if it doesn't concern you. People say that Ignore threads are often locked because of flamebaiting; in this thread the only people risking a flame war are those who stepped in to point out this rule and thus became locked in an argument themselves, completely contradicting their otherwise valid argument. If they hadn't spoken up in the first place, this thread would likely be uncontroversial.

However, maybe Siri should've locked her thread as soon as she made it. This would prevent any responses, and therefore avert a flamewar. Admittedly, the thread would be at the bottom of the pile within a couple of weeks, but I think it's pointless to have an ignore thread that's stacked full of arguments.

That's just my two cents. :?

If I'm not wrong, mods can reply to locked threads.

-wanders off-