NationStates Jolt Archive


Why is Marxism evil?

11-12-2003, 18:27
Granted I am new to the game, but I've made an observation. The path I'm trying to steer my country in is pure marxism. I personally believe that communism, done the right way, is the most effective way to govern people... in a perfect world. Well, who can be more perfect that digital citizens? So, as the issues arise, I deal with them from a communist stand-point. What I end up with is the view that my country is run by a tyranical dictator who kills his populus. It seems that the game is set up to favor democracy, or at least glorify it, and downlplay communism.

Maybe, I'm wrong. Thoughts?
Crosshill
11-12-2003, 18:33
Actually not, it is a yankee game designed for yankee players.
Tadjikistan
11-12-2003, 18:37
Communisn is democratic, so you probably mean capitalism
11-12-2003, 18:39
Marxism is looked down upon firstly for its very bad reputation, and secondly because it takes away things that many people believe to be important in life... achievement, religion, wealth, posession...
Twy-Sunrats
11-12-2003, 18:43
Your right, communism is heavily dumped on in this game, I've been classified "Corrupt dictator" and I keep on getting stupid issues asking me about private companies that are doing things when it is overtly stated that private enterprise is illegal in my nation *sigh* but I have Very good civil rights and a reasonable economy so I can't complain too much it's just frustrating to be classified corrupt when all I do is look after my people (but then I guess in many mind sets that is a corruption of the political system as it's supposed to be "Power to the rich, power to the corporation, what is a man if he is not wealthy?")
Also in general the players are very anti communist nations and like to use the term terrorist whenever a nation is doing something diffrent or interesting... *sigh* it limits political interaction... as "damn commies and haha communist nations I shall stomp on you with my 1.6 billion nation!" any wonder I would resort to evil viscious blood letting guerilla warfare? nooooooooooooo *sighs*
Twy-Sunrats
11-12-2003, 18:45
Marxism is looked down upon firstly for its very bad reputation, and secondly because it takes away things that many people believe to be important in life... achievement, religion, wealth, posession...
and what about the o so common corporate governments? ("democracies")
Mearly becouse you follow a course of social organisation, and support for all (all people are equal) no one owns anything becouse owner ship is theft... but I'm happy with my course and just shrug off the ignorant arrogance of many here (I wouldn't mind playing a fascist corporate nation in which all that matters is your earning potential... sod the environment, sod the little people, sod compassion if you ain't got cash you don't matter)
but it's all interesting and a game like this should take a detached view becouse as players we should all be able to explore diffrent ideas and concepts...
Xanthal
11-12-2003, 18:51
Xanthal runs on a policy of conservative socialism, giving all citizens equal pay and necessities for living, but leaving room for the ambitious to get ahead of the game. Our goal is to keep everybody between the lower middle and upper middle classes; and we do a fairly good job. The only downside is that nonconformists tend to get screwed over in Xanthal, but we think it's worth it to maintain our great society.
Twy-Sunrats
11-12-2003, 18:56
Even non-conformists are aided in our nation... everyone is equal, execution and torture are both completly outlawed, artists are subsidized as art is the soul of a nation... the military ailes as money is directed towards health care, space research, social support and other such things. Everybody provides to the state so such support is valid unlike "democratic" (who have only two parties with near identical policies where voter turn out is just above 50% hmmm very democratic! wise decisions being made indeed!) societies where people are given money for doing nothing and generally never end up providing for nation (bar more tax burden)
Anyway that be that
Xanthal
11-12-2003, 19:05
We outlaw execution and torture as well, but how can you subsidize art?! The soul of a nation? What rubbish! A nation has no soul, it is merely a vessel to hold society together. Our military is miniscule, our armed forces consist mostly of the Armada's ships. The armed forces get 5% of the nation's income. Health are is not great, but good; space research is off the charts; social support, such as it is, is complete. All workers who do their jobs are rewarded, others are exiled. Voting is compulsory, as are classes designed to educate citizens on the candidates.
Chivikistan
11-12-2003, 19:18
Yeah, it can be super hard to run a communistic Nation State without destroying the political freedoms/civil rights/economy or having a description that does not befit such an ideal.

(Chivikistan:
UN Category: Left-wing Utopia
Civil Rights: Excessive
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark
"Chivikistan is a huge, economically powerful nation, notable for its strong anti-business politics. Its compassionate, intelligent population of 777 million are free to do what they want with their own bodies, and vote for whoever they like in elections..
..The average income tax rate is 100%. Private enterprise is illegal")
11-12-2003, 19:34
Comunism gets rid of all that make people individual. My great state works in harmony and has uniqueness you can obviously see that comunist countries in the past no matter how perfect they are, have failed miserably
Chivikistan
11-12-2003, 19:36
*Three or four failed Chivikistanis decide to club together and buy Lardandmorelard from one of the rampant criminals there who had stolen the keys*
11-12-2003, 19:46
:? I dont know. I mean, I am a "Left wing utopia". It seems like there is a little "commie" bashing, but not that much.
11-12-2003, 19:47
:? I dont know. I mean, I am a "Left wing utopia". It seems like there is a little "commie" bashing, but not that much.
11-12-2003, 19:47
:? I dont know. I mean, I am a "Left wing utopia". It seems like there is a little "commie" bashing, but not that much.
11-12-2003, 19:47
:? I dont know. I mean, I am a "Left wing utopia". It seems like there is a little "commie" bashing, but not that much.
11-12-2003, 19:47
:? I dont know. I mean, I am a "Left wing utopia". It seems like there is a little "commie" bashing, but not that much.
11-12-2003, 19:47
:? I dont know. I mean, I am a "Left wing utopia". It seems like there is a little "commie" bashing, but not that much.
11-12-2003, 19:57
The capitalist will have you believe that the only way you can be an individual is by buying stuff. Communists believe in non-conformity, You can write, say, make, whatever you want. Capitalizts will lable you a terrorist for doing such a thing.

In capitalism, if a worker works harder, how much more does he get paid? Well he doesn't and he has no passion for his work most of the time.

Communism, wants to bring in passion for doing their jobs, wants to abolish bosses and replace them with Organizers.

Wants to rid the world of oppression and exploitation.


They believe happiness and Joy matter in the end, not how much money you make.

Communism is not Nihlism as some would have you to believe, people will still have Gamecubes, but with better games because there is no pressure to realise a game on time, there is no pressure to make it an easy sale.

People won't things per say, but everyone has the right to objects.

Everyone has the right to jobs.

Communism is not a welfare state.
Glorious Humanity
11-12-2003, 20:18
The basic tenets of Communism are a very good idea. Unfortunately a great deal of supposedly "communist" countries are in fact dictatorships hiding behind professed communism. This is unfortunate, since a true communist nation would be a great place to live.

And yes, in NS Communism does seem to get a bad rap sometimes. You can blame it on the Soviet Union in the real world, and their mauling of the ideals of Communism. Thanks to the USSR, most people equate "Communist" with "warlord" or "terrorist". Unfortunately, Communism rarely works because human nature won't let it work. People instinctively want to be on top of the pile.

Incidentally, I think the creator of NS is Australian, not American.