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General Cross lowered his report. "Is this possible?" he looked back at the artist's rendition of the MADAE. "That is insane."

"Not really sir. If we hybrid those magnetic accelerators we bought from Varessa with a large artillery platform and our own Pure Fusion devices, this could be a weapon."

"What kind of chassis could support this? We're going to have tracking, support, and power issues beyond anything we've encountered."

"Sir, if we used our Tesla technologies, the power wouldn't be a problem."

"Very well, proceed with this project, Brigadier."

Meanwhile in New York and New Jersey at the Huntington Strategic Air Defense Base and Headquaters, the guns of Stonehenge remained silent pointing toward the eight points of the compass and waiting for the time when they would be actually used. Of course NYNJ had the guns for decades(mid january) and they had only been fired four times, twice in war and twice in testing. The guns would pass yet another day silent. Their defense of the nation more than just adequte.

Meanwhile in New York and New Jersey at the Huntington Strategic Air Defense Base and Headquaters, the guns of Stonehenge remained silent pointing toward the eight points of the compass and waiting for the time when they would be actually used. Of course NYNJ had the guns for decades(mid january) and they had only been fired four times, twice in war and twice in testing. The guns would pass yet another day silent. Their defense of the nation more than just adequte.
OOC: Does everyone have one of these damn devices? (AC4 Rocked). And Megalith is coming. I call dibs.

OOC:Far as I know. I was the first.

The powerplant has been determined, a pebble bed reactor in the underground bunker, with the power being stored in capacitors and coils. When armed, the power will serve to arm the magnetic launch systems of the MADAE. This same power will be used to activate the Pure Fusion warheads and serve as a passive defense, by directing the coils outward at the perimeter.

:Yawns at small irritating nation developing oversized, amazingly silly weapons. By the way, I've noticed you're making new friends, Kau...:

:Yawns at small irritating nation developing oversized, amazingly silly weapons. By the way, I've noticed you're making new friends, Kau...:
Always, Roania. Grr...
OOC: Silly projects? Like men becoming uber-women with hotness for Inquisitors? :shock: Seriously, though, good writing with the subject.

:Yawns at small irritating nation developing oversized, amazingly silly weapons. By the way, I've noticed you're making new friends, Kau...:
Always, Roania. Grr...
OOC: Silly projects? Like men becoming uber-women with hotness for Inquisitors? :shock: Seriously, though, good writing with the subject.

OOC: I'm just interested in your nation's weapons. They are all purely theoretical, but somehow I can see them working.

By the way, what's the outside force you were talking about in the other thread?

If it's me, Roania is an island in the Pacific. Someone else, tell me who so I can be on my guard oocly.

And don't. Only Sketch can do that.

IC: We don't know, but the ISA has some suspicions from their field ops about untoward designs by some nefarious country (OOC: Points finger like evil monkey from Family Guy). Plus, security is always good, after our last incident with forces of an opposing ideaology.

"Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."
-ISA slogan

OOC: You like my guns? Thanks! :D
OOC2: Sketch can do what?

everyone knows he is just copying me :)

I know I some-what copied NYJ with it, but oh well, I made a whole series of them, and the "Stonehenge" guns were just the base for the line:

Artilleries of Mass Effect [AMEs] (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70101&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=259)

OOC: Only Sketch can say that she's acting like that. She's not, #1, and #2, I'd appreciate compliments (and comments) being put in the thread itself. Any suggestions can be tmed to me.

OOC2: You do realise that Japan is a bit far away for me, even if I wanted the entire Pacific? Needless worrying. I'll send some emissaries to tell them who the real villians are.

OOC3: What field operatives? You need to ask OOC permission before you can put IC spies in a nation. You know that, right?

OOC: What field operatives? You need to ask OOC permission before you can put IC spies in a nation. You know that, right?
OOC: I was thinking more satellite taps. And the "almost" attacking of my nation is hard to forget, so I made it a vague feeling of unease, they don't know who, but they know something's brewing.

And Megalith is coming. I call dibs.

Need fragments of asteroid in orbit for Megalith to work, otherwise it's just a big ICBM launcher.

Oh, and re: your other RP, just so you know, I've already got ships named after most of the Aegir fleet, including a Battleship called Tanager. Had her since March or April [ooc, when I first named her] or over a hundred years [IC, past history, not time that I say has passed since then].

And Megalith is coming. I call dibs.

Need fragments of asteroid in orbit for Megalith to work, otherwise it's just a big ICBM launcher.

Oh, and re: your other RP, just so you know, I've already got ships named after most of the Aegir fleet, including a Battleship called Tanager. Had her since March or April [ooc, when I first named her] or over a hundred years [IC, past history, not time that I say has passed since then].
OOC: There are way too many AC fans here. Do you mind if I keep the name, or should I go scrounging for an IC reason to change it?

Changing ship names is bad luck, or so the sailors say. Anyway, I'm not usually nasty about these things.

Changing ship names is bad luck, or so the sailors say. Anyway, I'm not usually nasty about these things.
Thanks for being generous. I'll try not to steal any more Aegir fleet names.

*scratches Geofon off of clipboard*

Well, I left Beluga.

Because it was crap, admittedly...Ehe. Oh, and we have a fighter that looks like X-02, just as a tip.

Of course, everyone knows the weakness of my MADAE. Just name a fighter Mobius One and make low, high speed run with Air to Ground Missiles. Oh wait, I shouldn't have... CRAP! :shock:

IC: More AA planned than originally intended.

Must...get...PS2...so I know what the hell you all are talking about, lol!

Must...get...PS2...so I know what the hell you all are talking about, lol!
I think AC4 is on PC, too, but don't quote me on that.

Construction of foundation and bunkers is complete. Computers and generators are being installed now, as well as storage for the warheads. Reactor construction has begun. Changes in MADAE announced:

1.)Rotating Platform on exterior to allow 8 Cannons to aquire targets with more precision. While this puts more drain, a secondary reactor could be used to power it.

2.)Autoloading refined for rotating cuff.

3.)Addition of CIWS to design.

4.)Massive Athena computer and array construction beginning. (Purchased)

5.)Tesla defenses are now active

Surface construction beginning. Bunkers finished.

Rotating ring constructed, anti-air defenses finished. Athena systems starting install. Massive tarp to block satellite view. Chassis construction beginning. Reactors online, garrison staffed.

A center mount gun has been proposed, and chassis is also under construction.

Athena systems online, Chassis finished, including center. Guns being constructed.

All main construction complete. MADAE activation has begun.

1.)Power Capacitors/Coils
2.)Charge Guns
3.)Test PF Ignition
4.)Testing of tracking/firing
5.)Filling out garrison
6.)C3 Activation
7.)Finalizing systems.

We ask that our allies in Kaukolastan grant us the great honor of building one of these MADAEs in Tokyo, as many nations of Chinese origin have begun aggressions against my nation. If you decline, we understand, and you still receive the Empress' blessing.

Supreme Chancellor

We ask that our allies in Kaukolastan grant us the great honor of building one of these MADAEs in Tokyo, as many nations of Chinese origin have begun aggressions against my nation. If you decline, we understand, and you still receive the Empress' blessing.

Supreme Chancellor
We would like to aide our allies, but this first MADAE has taken us over eight years to construct, so any construction would not be of any immeadiate value. However, theoretically we can range over most of the Pacific with a full charge, so if you would care to declare targets, we could fire as such. Activation should finish by the end of the year.

Also, if you still wish to have one built, we could begin construction, but due to the extreme Secrecy of operational details, it would have to be Kaukolastani Operators, acting under a parallel command structure.

MADAE Systems online. All systems operational, test shall commence shortly.

Status:
-8 Ring Guns
-1 Center Gun
-Tesla Amps/Coils
-3 Pebble Bed Reactors
-Athena System
-CIWS/AAA/SAM
-Targetting Systems
-Ring/Rotation/Elevation
-C3
-Two Garrisons
-Loading Systems
-Charging Systems
-BattleNet

Testing of the MADAE is here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2377882). All allies and friends welcome to attend.

OOC: Kauk, if you could actually post how this thing works, that would be great. And Stoneheng (Havn't gotten past destroying Stonehenge yet :P) couldn't destroy craft that were under 2,000 feet - so..

Wow, long bump.

Dancing Moose has threatened me at one point or another with this MADAE system, wel - the fact that he could shoot down planes and such with "ease".. soo..

OOC: You know, my military is made up almost totally of aircraft, so i would consider you as a threat, and research counters to that.

OOC: Wow, I thought this was over, but it's nice to see an old thread come back... Some notes:

There are two of these systems. One is in my nation, and is controlled by the BattleNet. The other I provided for Dancing Moose (for a LOT of money I used to fund my Chemical Warfare programs with...), and it uses whatever systems he does. His is in Antarctica, and obviously has been cold-aclimated, but it lacks the sophisticated Athena Jamming System and the BattleNet AI.

This is the basic "How MADAE Works", without getting too specific on defenses or control methods. I can give more detail if needed, but here's the basics:

MADAE = Massive Airspace Denial Artillery Emplacement

The MADAE system is the brainchild of General Cross, who was General of the Armies in Kaukolastan until ten years ago (NS Time). It consists of eight guns laid out on a kilometer diameter "disk", so that the guns point to the eight cardinal directions. A ninth gun points up in the center, and rests on a ball joint to cover the airspace above. The entire disk can rotate slowly, while each of the guns can raise and depress as well as rotate independently.

Each gun is a massive rail system (built with existing knowledge of magnetic guns IRL) that propels a small Pure Fusion nuclear device to ranges up to 2000km. The Pure Fusion device is charged as it is loaded, then slides into the rail carriage. The field fluxes, and the 600mm shell is fired into its trajectory.

The system requires a crew of over two thousand to keep it running, not to mention the defensive staff and attached forces he should maintain to protect it. The underground bunkers are powered by a pebble bed nuclear reactor, with a second to move the guns, and the third reactor to charge and fire. The systems are triple redundant, the system CAN function with only two power plants. All the wiring is done with fiber optics and gold, and then shielded against the EMP that occurs whenever a gun fires.

The entire system is protected by massive CIWS, SAM, and AAA emplacements are on the disk, but it is up to DM to provide the defensive air bases, army forts, and what have you that are needed to protect it.

Targeting is done via satellites and relay stations, all of which inform the supercomputer core of MADAE. Upon receiving fire-clear on an enemy, the commanders of MADAE select the appropriate tonnage weapon, how many to use, and lock targets. The computer calculates the target's speed, flight characteristics, and known objectives, and then produces a Fire-Spread Pattern, to cover the maximum of possible locations at the moment the shells would arrive. The Commander approves the Fire Solution, and the guns fire.

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PURE FUSION DEVICES
-Designed only in Kaukolastan, and sold to DM for use, these are the heavy weapons of choice for the Kaukolastani Military. Each device consists of a Tritium/Deuterium core, wrapped in a protective casing. The trigger for the device is a heavy ion beam and a series of powerful electromagnets.

When detonated, the magnets power up, compressing the core in an extreme magnetic field. At this point, the ion beam fires into the core, triggering the reaction. The two requirements for a fusion reaction are HEAT and PRESSURE. Between the mag-fields and ion beam, these are met, and the core fuses.

The benefits of pure fusion are twofold. First, due to the use of ion beams instead of a fission device, there is no fallout. Second, due to the more efficient trigger, the reaction is more powerful than a comparative traditional fusion device by a factor of five.

Due to this weapon's methods, it must be charged before firing (in the gun), and it's internal capacitor will not have enough power to detonate if it has sat for more than twelve hours while charged. Because of the lack of a Critical Mass, the devices may be as small or large as the user wishes, though traditional MADAE shot never goes beyond 5kt.

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OOC
-All of the requirements for the MADAE are well within post-modern tech. The nuclear rail gun concept was designed in the 1970s by DARPA, but a lack of computers and effective superconductors made it ineffective. With the advent of modern technologies, this concept becomes more feasible. The PURE FUSION design of warheads is currently being actively designed at Los Alamos (USA and Russian co-op), the National Ignition Facility (USA), and the Laser Megajoule (FRANCE/EU). It is expected to be produced within five years, barring a treaty to stop production.

As it has no fallout, this weapon is not a WMD, and can be used as a normal bomb, albeit powerful. It still has a lethal gamma burst, as well as EMP, but no long-term consequences. Therefore, it can be fielded in battle without fear of moving into a nuclear war. (Modern GSX can have similar powered bombs, but they are less effective and MUCH more bulky.)

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WARNINGS
-The gun suffers a massive EMP whenever it fires. Hitting it with an EMP will do nothing, as it is extremely shielded.
-It is optimized to counter ICBM and aircraft strikes, so attempting to use aircraft and missiles to destroy it would be foolhardy. (Note the ninth gun, pointing up...)
-If DM is smart, this will be defended like no other facility, with legions of men and armor.
-The most effective way to counter this would be some sort of covert strike, to neutralize the guns. The guns proper would be almost impossible to strike while active, but they have to be getting targets from somewhere. Perhaps try knocking out the relay stations to blind the operators firing solutions.
-The MADAE will not fire on targets below 500m without being manually overridden. At that altitude, the friendly ground casualties would be a slaughter. Stay on the deck if you want to strike while the guns are on.
-This gun is not invincible, but it is designed to be the center of Air Defense for a nation. Therefore, it will take a lot of men and blood to take it down.

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FIRING
-The system is designed to strike at ranges under 1000km. Firing in Normal Mode, it will take each gun about two minutes to reload and recharge and cool. It can be volleyed in two-minute intervals, or fire in a cyclical pattern, with each individual gun firing at 25-second intervals.
-In Long Range Mode, the firing rate drops to six-minute intervals, but the rails are charged to fling a shell up to 1500km.
-In Extreme Range Mode, the shells can be flung 2000km, but the gun is in high danger of rupturing, or the rail of fusing to the carriage. Recharge takes about fifteen minutes, if the gun survives.

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Differences From Stonehenge
-1.) Ninth gun added for defense against spaceborne targets and strikes.
-2.)CIWS introduced inside of ring to prevent aircraft from flying amid guns. Increased AAA and SAMs.
-3.)Upon noting that Stonehenge volleyed about every minute, I increased firing rate to once per two minutes, then allowed for independant fire.
-4.)Smart targetting Systems.
-5.)Stonehenge never described it's operational needs. (Power, men, loading systems, command and control, etc)
-6.)Athena Jamming.
-7.)Defensive fortifications (Two garrisons and an airbase)
-8.)Defensive EMP to knock down fighters and bombers. (Guns are EMP shielded due to firing method.)
-9.)More to come as I remember it. :oops:


Please ask any questions here.

Do not attack me about this system. I've had it for 6 months IRL, and about 15 years NS time.

Do not post about how uber your own version is.

Other than that... post away. I'll explain as best I can. (And yes, there were seperate research threads about Pure Fusion and about RailGuns and Supercomputers all before I built the MADAE, as well as to the Tesla electrical systems and shielded systems. Athenan I bought from New Empire. Talk to him about buying it if you want it.)

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