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In recent years the government has been becoming increasingly vigilant against the ever-growing Communist threat and has been beginning purges of not only Communism but ALL left-wing ideals, including Socialism, Anarchism and Liberalism.

Earlier today a surprise meeting of the High Senate was held, calling in all 300 politicians to an emergency discussion.

Shortly after the Senate met the journalists outside saw a group of politicians filing out, the socialist and communist element of our government, following them, green party officials, and the formerly popular Civil Disobedients Anarchist Party delegates.

The men walked around to the front of the Senate building led by CD Special Forces Troopers at which point all, coming to a total of 93 politicians were exterminated.

This story will be filled on the news at the top of the hour.

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This move was drastically not needed.

-Grand Master Roac, The Sacred Empire of Imperial Forces
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This move was drastically not needed.

-Grand Master Roac, The Sacred Empire of Imperial Forces
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No steps are drastic good sir in the battle against Communism, there is a communist on every corner waiting to push a knife into the back of our good country, and there will be NO relent until their flags are red with their OWN blood. The Communists seek to incite class warfare to undermine our noble and true government, we will never surrender in the battle against these revoloutionaries.

My Regards
The Civil Disobedient.

Confederate Speaker James Dermont has issued a short statement:
The Confederacy of Patoxia condemns the actions of the Communist Hunting Nation of Civil Disobedients in which 93 innocent people were killed. We send our hearts out to their families in their time of grief, and extend open arms to any refugees of any political stripe fleeing Civil Disobedients.

Confederate Speaker James Dermont has issued a short statement:
The Confederacy of Patoxia condemns the actions of the Communist Hunting Nation of Civil Disobedients in which 93 innocent people were killed. We send our hearts out to their families in their time of grief, and extend open arms to any refugees of any political stripe fleeing Civil Disobedients.

None of these political prisoners will escape their death, any political prisoners discovered hiding within your nation will be removed via force, we must contain the Communist threat.

We also pledge that we will come to the aid of ANY nations facing the threat of communism.

My Regards

The Civil Disobedient.

In that case, could you nuke CACE? I know some nations that would be very thankful for it.

True state socialism is a force more powerful than any puny right wing govt. Strength throught the unity of the people, especially the workers will one day bring down the forces of capitalism that our weakening our souls. A newly realised union of Soviets must be formed to counter the threats made by this nation. Although to be honest only a pathetic nation such as this would think itself strong enough to counter the strength of the red tide.
Regards,
Muscovoy commitee of the Scarlet Seraphims

In that case, could you nuke CACE? I know some nations that would be very thankful for it.

Yay! We're a threat to world peace. Again! Without even having to do anything at all! :roll:

None of these political prisoners will escape their death, any political prisoners discovered hiding within your nation will be removed via force, we must contain the Communist threat.

We also pledge that we will come to the aid of ANY nations facing the threat of communism.

My Regards

The Civil Disobedient.

We hereby open our borders to all refugees and asylum seekers from your nation.

And we also state in no uncertain terms that any action taken to extradite political refugees from the Socialist Commonwealth of Anhierarch will be met with appropriate measures.

Regards,

Overseer Ejai Telenu
Division of Security

In that case, could you nuke CACE? I know some nations that would be very thankful for it.

Yay! We're a threat to world peace. Again! Without even having to do anything at all! :roll:

No, that's not the way I intended it. You see, (exhibit A) here we have one crazy young nations ready and willing to march down to any communist nation and wreak havoc on it (or die trying....probably the latter).

Now, that makes Knootoss very happy, and if I get the credit for it, that's good for me. So I'm just looking for the opportunity. Hell, this guy doesn't even need a reason: he'll kill the commies no matter what. :D

Indeed. I feel so safe with people like this guy having his finger on the proverbial button.

EDIT: Isn't Knootoss a Liberal?

Knootoss is a state out to create as much political and diplomatic havoc as is humanly possible.

The Confederacy of Kithicor condemns the actions of political executions commited by Civil Disobedients. We have always stood as a testament to liberity, but we respect others' views; even if we discard them. The government is, and forever shall be, a Confederacy on the national level; but there are a few socialist farming communities within our boarders. The Districts will also be Capitalist and Confederalist, but you cannot stop everyone from believing in an idea. Besides, killing people for political reasons makes you no better than your nation's Communists.

The Confederacy of Kithicor has ended political ties with Civil Disobedients, imposing trade sanctions until this crisis is resolved, and is codemning them for the pratice of political executions. Dictrict Guards have been put to amber alert, but the Confederate Army is not mobilizing. We want to aviod war at all costs, but we will fight for our freedom.

//signed//
Sir Froton Honourguard
Confederacy of Kithicor

In light of resent events in Civil Disobedients, in which 93 politicans were brutally murdered, the Iuthian government would like to fully condemn Civil Disobedients's leadership adding that we will also adding their nation to our record of black listed nations indefinately.

The result of this black listing is automatic trade embargos against any sustance coming out of Civil Disobedients as well as against any sustance being sent from Iuthia to Civil Disobedients. All citizens of Iuthia are advised to leave if they have not already done so (though I may not have anyone in Civil Disobedients depending on the nation) and travel to this nation is strongly advised against.

Of course, many would question why we just stop at Economic Embargos... well we simply want to state that we want nothing to do with this and that we are not prepared to do business with a brutal nation... the Embargo will likely have little effect but is a effect of our condemnation none the less.

Should your country stop these vile acts we may concider trading with you again, but for now you are concidered a threat.

James deGritz, leader of Iuthia

Knootoss is a state out to create as much political and diplomatic havoc as is humanly possible.

So, a liberal then? :wink:

Besides, killing people for political reasons makes you no better than your nation's Communists.

It makes him worse. His nation's Communists haven't massacred anyone.

Hattia condemns this brutal suppression of free speech. We also open our borders to any political refugees. Also, any attempts to extradite them will be met with force.

The Socialist Commonwealth of Anhierarch applauds the action taken by the nation of Iuthia, and calls upon all nations that prize freedom of thought to follow their example. Send to all murderous tyrants a clear message, that the free nations of the world will not stand for suppression of thought, and initiate trade embargos against the Civil Disobedients.

~Arbiter Felmir Dastra

The Socialist Commonwealth of Anhierarch

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In recent years the government has been becoming increasingly vigilant against the ever-growing Communist threat and has been beginning purges of not only Communism but ALL left-wing ideals, including Socialism, Anarchism and Liberalism.

Earlier today a surprise meeting of the High Senate was held, calling in all 300 politicians to an emergency discussion.

Shortly after the Senate met the journalists outside saw a group of politicians filing out, the socialist and communist element of our government, following them, green party officials, and the formerly popular Civil Disobedients Anarchist Party delegates.

The men walked around to the front of the Senate building led by CD Special Forces Troopers at which point all, coming to a total of 93 politicians were exterminated.

This story will be filled on the news at the top of the hour.

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***************KMK Statement********************************

FAO Foreign Sectaries,

Whilst ImperlisticPrussia is a peace loving nation with no wish at all for conflict, which believes in a multilateralism approach and the solving of problems through the medium of diplomacy, we have sympathy with Civil Disobedients. Therefore we shall return any of these enemies of the state should they arrive seeking asylum, in line with our own boarder policies. We shall do our utmost to open our markets to compensate for any trading that is lost from communist sympathising countries, and offer our KMK- Kaisers Media Korperation to assist you in promoting the true and righteous word of the non-communist world.

To Civil Disobedients we say “Good Work Sir” to others we say “Look, Listen and take Heed”

Kaizer Matt the Ace, CiC Imperial, Army, Navy, Air Force, Special Forces, Chief Diplomat, Historian, Engineer, Foreign and Domestic Policy Specialist, Director of Intelligence, the KMK, Purveyor of the Imperial Wine and Beer cellar. VC (For immense courage in the battle against Communism, armed only with his wits)



*********** End of KMK Statement **************************

None of these political prisoners will escape their death, any political prisoners discovered hiding within your nation will be removed via force, we must contain the Communist threat.

We also pledge that we will come to the aid of ANY nations facing the threat of communism.

My Regards

The Civil Disobedient.

Dear Civil Disobedient,

We could care less how you set up and run your government, it is your right, but brutally murdering the innocent is a line that must be drawn. if any refugees come to our country from anywhere we allow them to stay, you will meet with resistance if you try to forcefully take anyone from our sovereign soil.

Sincerely,
Speaker James Dermont
The Confederacy of Patoxia

OOC:
Hrm...
With all these other countries offering to take refugees, I don't think that many, if any, will come to my country on the fun little island of Sakhalin.

"Nature created this island in a moment of wrath."
-Vasilii Doroshevich on Sakhalin. (1903)

Civil Disobedients has been officially blacklisted by the Sacred Empire of Imperial Forces.

-Grand Master Roac, the Sacred Empire of Imperial Forces.
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In that case, could you nuke CACE? I know some nations that would be very thankful for it.

Yay! We're a threat to world peace. Again! Without even having to do anything at all! :roll:

No, that's not the way I intended it. You see, (exhibit A) here we have one crazy young nations ready and willing to march down to any communist nation and wreak havoc on it (or die trying....probably the latter).

Now, that makes Knootoss very happy, and if I get the credit for it, that's good for me. So I'm just looking for the opportunity. Hell, this guy doesn't even need a reason: he'll kill the commies no matter what. :D

Indeed. I feel so safe with people like this guy having his finger on the proverbial button.

EDIT: Isn't Knootoss a Liberal?

Knootoss is a state out to create as much political and diplomatic havoc as is humanly possible.

So, a liberal then? :wink:

OOC:
First of all: LOL :mrgreen:
Words of truth have been spoken.
Actually I won't overly stimulate n00bs to go after the CACE. I'll just point them in the right direction if they ask.

Aperin is thatta way *plants a sign in his front yard*

Seriously, yes. I play this game for fun. And for me, fun can be found in chaos, confusion, intrigue, etc. This is slightly complicated by the fact that my nation is in essence a pacifist 'fluffy bunny' but that doesn't stop me from creating interesting situations OOCly... :P

I would not be happy with the CACE 'destroyed'. It's the process of plotting and maneuvering that counts. That's why I even wanted to join the CACE a while back.

Sure, it got me invaded by the Dominion but I don't mind. Taking 'losses' is just a part of the game and that is why I won't bitch over nitpick stuff very soon.

Too bad you still have SeOCC to whom the whole concept of RP is alien. Well... there are other, more interesting situations going on with people who can in fact interact ICly and enyoy that this is a game. The whole EOTED situation for example, and my gravshipRP which I still have to continue, and hopefully Iansisle too...

This is a joke right?

CD, you CAN'T hunt communist nations, because you'd lose almost every time.

I'll use myself as an example.

1. All of my citizens belong to... Me!

Which means I can conscript as many as I want, to serve in my army.

45% of my nation's currently population is either in the Army, or the backup reserves. That's over 900,000,000 troops.

That's almost more then you're entire population! (And no, 45% is NOT godmodding. Especially, when they're mostly backup reserves.)

You however.... can't.

Even IF you had a decent nation, you would have to get "volunteers" in your army. And thus you'd be crushed by my superior numbers.

2. My money reserves are basically infinite. Well, infinite compare to yours.

I can just take a billion roubles from any one of my citizen's bank accounts.

Taking a little from many, I can easily raise up over a 100 billion roubles in minutes.

You can't. You have to use legitimate, and honest reasons to raise money.

3. Communist nations have the USSR to lean on, as an International base of protection to fellow Communist nations. All one would have to do is move there, and when you attack them, you would then have to deal with the most powerful Communist region on the planet.

You can "make-belive" that you actually stand a chance against any communist nation, that has been around at least as long as you, all you want.

Doesn't change the fact that the only thing you could actually destroy, is Newbie nations that are only a few days old.

-The Dominion of Zephirus, K.G.B. head, USSR

Eh Zephirus, even during the second World war the Soviet-Union didnt use 45% of its population as soldiers, besides, who is going to make weapons, ammo, clothing etc, not to mention that there's noone left for everyday stuff like store's for the people that dont/cant fight.

Even if you were able to have such a number of troops they would have low quality weaponry, the SU had 4.5 million troops in 1989 of wich 500,000 were demobilized(after the fall of the Berlin wall) because the SU couldnt afford them any longer.

You might be strong but please keep it a bit realistic.

*sends in a platoon to kick over all the livesize cardboard images representing 900 million troops*

No, that's the beauty of being a member of the most powerful communist region on the planet.

They supply me with everything I need. :lol: 8) :wink:

cardboard?

I aplaude the actions taken by CD in repressing the communists, they have inspired me to take action with in my owne country.

Zephirus, you clearly have no clue about how an actual economy works. at any given time only about 50% of your nation is working, unless people work until the day they die, in which case two things will happen.

1) people will die sooner.
2) productivity will plunge for the elderly.

Tadjikistan is quite right, if you conscripted even 20% of your population your internal economy would collapse; it's steel and butter. either your army would run out of bullets or they'd starve. get a real stat re: your military, and read my thread on this topic. it explains in depth why your figure is utterly ridiculous.

beyond that, i'd love to hear your definition of 'communism.'

Kolskiy Poluostrov, Ministry of Defencehttp://ra.afraid.org/images/site/sovlogo.gif
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We are outraged by these statements, as again many times in history, people condemm communism without knowing what they are talking about. We strongly support the Soviet party in Civil Disobedients! This is purely discrasefull!

Nadia Kukov, minister of Defence
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Zephirus, you clearly have no clue about how an actual economy works. at any given time only about 50% of your nation is working, unless people work until the day they die, in which case two things will happen.

1) people will die sooner.
2) productivity will plunge for the elderly.

Tadjikistan is quite right, if you conscripted even 20% of your population your internal economy would collapse; it's steel and butter. either your army would run out of bullets or they'd starve. get a real stat re: your military, and read my thread on this topic. it explains in depth why your figure is utterly ridiculous.

beyond that, i'd love to hear your definition of 'communism.'

umh...
*agrees with SeOCC here.*

Generally, 5% is accepted as the absolute limit for NS. However if you like to play REALISTICALLY you should cut it to 0,5% or so for a modern army. (I know the Dutch army is 0,32% - the US army is bigger relatively)
A communist nation would already have an army twice as large with 1%.

Besides, how are you going to coordinate such a frigging huge army?

A message from the Government of The People's Republic of Teakland:

We, the most humble people of Teakland, are shocked at the actions taken by the Civil Disobedients Anarchist Party. The murder of ninety-three human beings, even if they were politicians, is an outrage, and our Chairman Teeth sends his deepest condolences to their families at this time of need.

The gracious outpouring of support for the victims of this tragedy is heartwarming. The People's Republic of Teakland would like to add its name to the long list of nations opeing their borders to any citizens from Civil Disobedients that seek asylum, whether they be Socialist, Democratic, or Liberal.

The People's Republic of Teakland again extends its deepest sympathies to the survivors of this tragedy, and we hope that the list of the many nations offering aid to the refugee people of Civil Disobedients continues to grow in length, strength and solidarity.

Sincerely,
Garreth Kohl
Minister of Peace

Ok, lets say that the leaders of Zipherius are massively bluffing when they purport to have 45% of their population conscripted. It, however would not be unreasonable to state that at full mobilization they could reach the 3% mark for an authoritarian country which by factbook admission devotes "most of its attentions to defence." That leaves a standing army of approximately 60 million.

Civil Disobedients, with fully half the population of Zipheria, being a democracy and only having "defence on the agenda" could claim a standing military of upwards to 1% (at most.) That's 10 million troops, still a sizable army but one that could do very little again something 6 times larger than it.

For my own say, I am totally supportive of Civil Disobedients routine slaughter of dissident politicians. Not having opposition political parties, I don't know what I'd do, but I firmly believe in the Right to Die and I certainly extend it to those who oppose my Governments views.

Chairman of the Federal Council of West Caesarea,
John Carpenter

I, General Hessinger, the military leader of the Triunal Wohlstand Republic, and representative of the Socialist Confederacy of the Isles of Wohlstand codemn this act as foolish, and violating human rights. All foriegners from the opressed nation of Civil Disobedients are allowed in Wohlstand, including the politicians. If you wish to try to stop this act, then I suggest you do it by means of war, and in that case, you will not be able to defeat us. Wohlstand has, and will always be, the land for which all can come, and live a new life. Also, I do agree with Seocc in this case, over and out.

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Comrade Hessinger
National Military Commander of the Triunal Wohlstand Republic
First Socialist Labor Party Congress of Wohlstand
"When you kill a man, the only thing you should feel is the recoil"

Ok, lets say that the leaders of Zipherius are massively bluffing when they purport to have 45% of their population conscripted. It, however would not be unreasonable to state that at full mobilization they could reach the 3% mark for an authoritarian country which by factbook admission devotes "most of its attentions to defence." That leaves a standing army of approximately 60 million.

Civil Disobedients, with fully half the population of Zipheria, being a democracy and only having "defence on the agenda" could claim a standing military of upwards to 1% (at most.) That's 10 million troops, still a sizable army but one that could do very little again something 6 times larger than it.

For my own say, I am totally supportive of Civil Disobedients routine slaughter of dissident politicians. Not having opposition political parties, I don't know what I'd do, but I firmly believe in the Right to Die and I certainly extend it to those who oppose my Governments views.

Chairman of the Federal Council of West Caesarea,
John Carpenter

Also don't forget, not all of the military has guns, you need to include supply line builders, and all the support/recruiting offices, and all that good stuff

umh...
*agrees with SeOCC here.*


AAAAAHHH!! The world is collapsing! The natural order of things is coming apart! :shock:

Okay I guess that brings us to:

4. I know how to read.

I said most of them were RESERVES. As in people who have regular lives, but are used in emergencies.

Even if they weren't, you honestly think I'm going to send out 900,000,000 troops everytime any little thing happens?!

ROFL.

"Oh no, some nameless capitalist nation has attacked with it's massive Army of a few peasants!

Quick, deploy Nine-hundred-million men!!!

LOL... Comon, common sense.

The only time you'd see even near that many is if you actuall went on an all out assault, which would be welcomed by people coming out of their houses armed with Machine guns and Mustard gas grenades. :twisted:

Meanwhile, Beth Gellens are shocked to find themselves part of the relatively sane world..

Comrade Igo was heard to say several times, "Shut up!" before finally getting around to handing CCC Chivo permission to declare Civil Disobedients and Zephirus Enemies Of The People.

Beth Gellert couldn't even be arsed to declare the relatively puny size of its multi trillion dollar per year armed forces, as the nation was much too busy rampaging about the world oppressing people, probably.

I totally support the killing of the 93 left wing senetors and have already banned leftists literature and left-wing parties from all lands i control and my region has taken my policies and is dbateing them in our regional parlament to see if we should ban communism in all 45 nations of our region.

Free Burkina Faso will be adopting a similar position to Anhierarch, and will be accepting any refugees from Civil Disobediants as political prisoners. As we are landlocked air transportation is the only option available for a direct arrival, but our men will actively work to help any CD refugees arriving in West Africa to cross the Burkina Faso border.

In that case, could you nuke CACE? I know some nations that would be very thankful for it.

Yay! We're a threat to world peace. Again! Without even having to do anything at all! :roll:

No, that's not the way I intended it. You see, (exhibit A) here we have one crazy young nations ready and willing to march down to any communist nation and wreak havoc on it (or die trying....probably the latter).

Now, that makes Knootoss very happy, and if I get the credit for it, that's good for me. So I'm just looking for the opportunity. Hell, this guy doesn't even need a reason: he'll kill the commies no matter what. :D

In what way am I a "crazy young nation" as you so aptly put it, my policies whos no signs of madness, nor am i young having been on nationstates for 9 months now but have my primary nation deleted, i do not contest that I'm a nation.

A message from the Government of The People's Republic of Teakland:

whether they be Socialist, Democratic, or Liberal.



I never stated that the fair nation of Civil Disobedients' had any hostility towards Democracy, we are a Democracy, and we are committed to the containment of the ever growing threat of international communism.

We are because we embrace freedom of speech, an ideal communism represses.

We are because we embrace Democracy whereas communism wants to bring us all into a world-wide proletariat dictatorship.

We are because we embrace the right to own private property, a right communism denies all people.

We are because unlike communism we have not been responsible for 100,000,000 deaths in the 20th Century.

We are because unlike communism we believe in the right for people to live and worship as they please whereas communism's state aim is to eliminate all religions.

Communism = Slavery.

A message from the Government of The People's Republic of Teakland:

whether they be Socialist, Democratic, or Liberal.



I never stated that the fair nation of Civil Disobedients' had any hostility towards Democracy, we are a Democracy, and we are committed to the containment of the ever growing threat of international communism.

We are because we embrace freedom of speech, an ideal communism represses.

We are because we embrace Democracy whereas communism wants to bring us all into a world-wide proletariat dictatorship.

We are because we embrace the right to own private property, a right communism denies all people.

We are because unlike communism we have not been responsible for 100,000,000 deaths in the 20th Century.

We are because unlike communism we believe in the right for people to live and worship as they please whereas communism's state aim is to eliminate all religions.

Communism = Slavery.

Some people need to read a history book

i will do this once and only one.

first, you have no clue what communism is. you have made the very foolish mistake of calling the Leninist-Stalinist system communist, when it clearly isn't. even Lenin himself admitted it wasn't communism. get with the program.

Stalinism does not equal communism.

We are because we embrace freedom of speech, an ideal communism represses.

proof please? perhaps the nonexistent communist nation that never got started?

We are because we embrace Democracy whereas communism wants to bring us all into a world-wide proletariat dictatorship.

when the entire population has equal control of popular decision making and what is produced, isn't that called democracy? if every member of society is an equal member of the dictatorship, then isn't that democracy? yep. your feeble understanding of the term is frightful; the term was originally used to describe what would happen to prevent a counterrevolution, not how society would organize.

We are because we embrace the right to own private property, a right communism denies all people.

by Marx's own words, he is not against property but Bourgeoise property, specifically private ownership in the means of production. Marx and Engels were quite happy to let people have personal property, as in the things you would have in your house, and only objected to exclusive rights in capital goods.

We are because unlike communism we have not been responsible for 100,000,000 deaths in the 20th Century.

given that your country, as a capitalist nation, actively takes part in a system that starves half the world (stat from the UN WHO, 1/2 of the world recieves less than 1000 calories a day) and denies medication to those that cannot afford it (look at Africa and Asia), how many deaths are you responsible for? fuck Stalin, that guy was an ameteur.

We are because unlike communism we believe in the right for people to live and worship as they please whereas communism's state aim is to eliminate all religions.

a delicious piece of irony.

[b[A crusade against barbaric religious practices has begun,[/b] society and government have been organized according to a feudal hierarchy, naturists are jailed regularly for indecent exposure, and nude art is becoming wildly popular. Crime is moderate. Civil Disobedients's national animal is the monkey, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the pound.

Communism = Slavery.

slav·er·y ( P ) Pronunciation Key (slv-r, slvr)
n. pl. slav·er·ies
The state of one bound in servitude as the property of a slaveholder or household.

The practice of owning slaves.
A mode of production in which slaves constitute the principal work force.
The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.
A condition of hard work and subjection: wage slavery.


even if i accet the validity of your points above in arguendo, you have shown no evidence that your warped idea of communism is the same as slavery. really. you've shown a system that is abusive, hegemonic, abritrary and happily ignorant of basic premises of humanity. but not slavery.

I would like to help stop this spread of Communism/socialism and am willing to use force to do so.

I am having an anarchist threat in Monopoker (which, by the way is more extremest libertarian than left-winged) but I can handle it on my own thank you.

We are because we embrace freedom of speech, an ideal communism represses.


The People's Democratic Social Republic of Ariddia, which prides itself on being a communist democracy, will welcome all refugees fleeing the barbarity and repression of the dictatorial regime of Civil Disobedients.


We are because we embrace Democracy whereas communism wants to bring us all into a world-wide proletariat dictatorship.


The communist nation of Ariddia is devoted to political freedom. An ideal which you have rejected.


We are because unlike communism we have not been responsible for 100,000,000 deaths in the 20th Century.


Unlike your Communist militants, you have committed murder.


We are because unlike communism we believe in the right for people to live


Obviously not.


and worship as they please whereas communism's state aim is to eliminate all religions.


Not so. We in Ariddia allow freedom of religion. It strikes me the Communist nations here have been the defenders of human rights, which you have been violating. An apt irony which yet again underlines the emptiness and hypocrisy of capitalist propaganda.

One last thing. Should refugees from your nation seek asylum in Ariddia, and should you seek to forcefully pursue them, that shall be considered an act of war.

The only time you'd see even near that many is if you actuall went on an all out assault, which would be welcomed by people coming out of their houses armed with Machine guns and Mustard gas grenades. :twisted:

OOC: This is the best statwank eVaR!!!11!!

I mean, how many deaths a year does your nation get from supplying 45% of your people with machine guns and gas grenades... I wonder if...

"Hey dad, what happens if I pull this trigger?"

"No son don't-"

"Choke"

"Choke"

Die...

Or...

"I'm playing out with tommy"

"Ok son"

Son takes machine gun to play soldiers with tommy, ten minutes later a loud "dak dak dak" can be heard, followed by a scream...


Ignoring these scenarios, how about training 900'000'000 people in using and looking after these weapons which don't last forever and need to be checked every so often. Resupplying 900'000'000 people will be hellofa exspensive and will require a huge military budget... which reduces spending else where...

Yes, we all know that no one uses all their people in one go but the important thing to remember about war is local superiority, if they can outnumber you locally... not to meantion outclass you with their small well trained forces they can slowly take out armies by concentrating on it... meanwhile you won't be able to tell your people to be brave and take on the enemy... most will run away without their weapons and probably die. Cilivians are not brave... they will not fight off the enemy who is trained to take cover and be careful... after the first encounter they wil not trust civilians and then shoot them on site. They will have an excuse to as well as they can take proof.

It just isn't going to work... it's expensive and only a very small amount of them can or will fight... the rest will run or stay in bed cause they are old or young.

I would like to help stop this spread of Communism/socialism and am willing to use force to do so.

You don't mean that surely... I mean Iuthia conciders itself to be a little socialist and we find the idea of a communism... quaint... eitherway, should you invade, attack or otherwise harm another nation on the principal that they are a political system you don't agree with, I will happily come over to your nation and... talk, about how you are wrong...

With a large military escort of course... after all, I'm not in the top 1500 defence forces in the world for nothing you know.

So I suggest you reconsider, afterall... I don't want to think your nation is a active threat to other soveign nations...

OOC:
45% of my nation's currently population is either in the Army, or the backup reserves. That's over 900,000,000 troops.

That's almost more then you're entire population! (And no, 45% is NOT godmodding. Especially, when they're mostly backup reserves.)

In Zephirus' defense I would like to point out that Israel has 50.3 % Military manpower - availability, according to the CIA's World FactBook (http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/is.html)

Israel's Population: 6,116,533

Military manpower - availability:
note: both sexes are liable for military service:
males age 15-49: 1,562,716
females age 15-49: 1,516,505

Total manpower availability = 1562716 + 1516505 = 3079221

% of Pop. availability = 3079221/6116533 = 0.50342587867996461394060981932085


I am only saying that this is the "technically available" number of Israeli troops [Current active strength is 550,000 (8.17% of Pop.)] if Israel had to call up 3,079,221 troops it would have to be in a last stand situation where there was little or no hope.

I am making no claim on Zephirus' training or troop morale (which I suspect is on the low end for these reserves), I am only saying that his claim is technically possible, although very improbable (what type of reserves are we talking about? If they are trained fairly regularly this is very, very improbable.)

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Personally, I have only about 1% of my population in the Military (Including support, mechanics, etc.)

(Which could go up to about 2.5% in an emergency)

Have you not noticed that it says similar things for every nation? The UK may have a manpower availabilty of over 12 million, but that is just the theoretical pool from which recruits may be drawn. They could not all be in service at once, just as Israel could not put three million people into service, and Zephirus could not put 900,000,000 into service.

OOC:
Have you not noticed that it says similar things for every nation? The UK may have a manpower availabilty of over 12 million, but that is just the theoretical pool from which recruits may be drawn. They could not all be in service at once, just as Israel could not put three million people into service, and Zephirus could not put 900,000,000 into service.

Which is why I said “technically available”. I'm going on the assumption that Zephirus means “technically available” when he says reserves as evident from these words:

I said most of them were RESERVES. As in people who have regular lives, but are used in emergencies.

Even if they weren't, you honestly think I'm going to send out 900,000,000 troops everytime any little thing happens?!