NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Well, Jerusalem... here ya go. Since it was your idea, Mariah is marked down as founding member.

Well, that and because I'm evil. Now, we have the name, and are ready to roll!

IC:
http://www.marymount.edu/academic/sehs/ed/images/cross.jpg

The Defenders of The Faith is a new alliance, designed to thwart the growth of heresy and darkness rampant in this day and age. The rules are simple.

A) Your nation must be officially Roman Catholic, and willing to obey the orders of the Pope, previously Sixtus XII, soon to be... um... I'll update when we know.

B) You must bring us the heads of 25 protestants... kidding. :( bloody International Law.

The benifits of joining are simple.

A) You can call a crusade, and if 75% of the member states agree, it's on.

B) 'Peacekeepers' from all nations will be sent to any member nation immediately, should an event occur that threatens the nation's Catholic rulers or laws.

Anything else, Mariah?

Founder: Queen Mariah of Jerusalem

*Signatories*


??? of Chaloner
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem
Emperor Cuchulain I of Kromdoria
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
General Marcus Johnson of Holy Mercenaries (probationary for the moment)
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
King Xenophon of the Schismatic States
Lady Taylor of Garrison II
Princess Malissa of Roania
Queen Seria of Tordor
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Whoever is in charge of Territora

Crusading:

<<There will be no crusading until a Pope is elected>>

Crusading is optional for members. Non-crusading members do not have to vote and only votes from "Crusading" members count towards a vote for Crusade. Members please indicate their stance this issue.

Current members are assumed to be "Crusading" members unless notified otherwise.

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Prince Alexander of Roania
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
??? of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora

Non-Crusading

Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

HAHAHA! Roania calls themselves Catholic... heh, I'm not even Catholic, and to me Roania sounds like Jihad Catholicism :P

We are Perturbed.

http://www.animeadrenaline.com/gundam/g/wong.jpg
His Serene Emminence, the Sultanate Abu Zani

HAHAHA! Roania calls themselves Catholic... heh, I'm not even Catholic, and to me Roania sounds like Jihad Catholicism :P

Offence! Lawsuit! Money! Now!

Also note, whoever joins this Alliance will Immediately go on Raysia's Code Orange List :)

Also note, whoever joins this Alliance will Immediately go on Raysia's Code Orange List :)

Non-catholics, stop posting, especially stupid mormons who are living on borrowed time.

I hate to break it to you, but I don't think many are online ATM.....

Belem will join.

Belem will join.

Leader's name? I know I was told, but I keep forgetting.

Emperor Vito Lombardi the first

OOC

Thanks Roania. Having a really crap day at work today, but you just improved it (being an f***ing Monday)

I'll write a proper set of rules from the crude ones originally set as soon as my World Fact Book gets finished.

OOC

Thanks Roania. Having a really crap day at work today, but you just improved it (being an f***ing Monday)

OOC: Monday is always bad. Anything I'm forgetting? And you're in a region filled with Catholics. Can you get them to sign?

OOC

Thanks Roania. Having a really crap day at work today, but you just improved it (being an f***ing Monday)

OOC: Monday is always bad. Anything I'm forgetting? And you're in a region filled with Catholics. Can you get them to sign?

* Mostly inactive* unfortunately. College students ...

We are Perturbed.

http://www.animeadrenaline.com/gundam/g/wong.jpg
His Serene Emminence, the Sultanate Abu Zani

I would like to make it clear to all that this alliance is not going to be hostile to those of other faiths, unless they are hostile to us. We have nothing but the highest respect for followers of other faiths. It's those Christians who split away from the teachings of the Church who irk us.

http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:ndUJWuWS6T4C:www.pahiatua.net.nz/images/musketeers/richelieu_small.jpg
Cardinal Johannes Richelieu
Senior Cardinal within Roania
Member of Electoral College
Minister for Theocratic matters

We are Perturbed.

http://www.animeadrenaline.com/gundam/g/wong.jpg
His Serene Emminence, the Sultanate Abu Zani

I would like to make it clear to all that this alliance is not going to be hostile to those of other faiths, unless they are hostile to us. We have nothing but the highest respect for followers of other faiths. It's those Christians who split away from the teachings of the Church who irk us.

http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:ndUJWuWS6T4C:www.pahiatua.net.nz/images/musketeers/richelieu_small.jpg
Cardinal Johannes Richelieu
Senior Cardinal within Roania
Member of Electoral College
Minister for Theocratic matters

We are Reassured.

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His Serene Emminence, the Sultanate Abu Zani

We are taking control of Cardinal Duras Fund (created earlier but everyone seems to have forgetten about it) and giving priority to members of Defenders of The Faith now.

There is over 1 trillion $US available (none was used). Same rules apply as before.

As long as anti-democratic, elf-hating, psuedo-Catholic regimes such as Belem and Iesus Christi aren't in the organization, the Republic of Syskeyia would be glad to join.

Hod bless,

Benedict Michael Sukothai
President and First Consul of the Republic of Syskeyia

As long as anti-democratic, elf-hating, psuedo-Catholic regimes such as Belem and Iesus Christi aren't in the organization, the Republic of Syskeyia would be glad to join.

Hod bless,

Benedict Michael Sukothai
President and First Consul of the Republic of SyskeyiaPsst, have you met the founder? lol

As long as anti-democratic, elf-hating, psuedo-Catholic regimes such as Belem and Iesus Christi aren't in the organization, the Republic of Syskeyia would be glad to join.

Hod bless,

Benedict Michael Sukothai
President and First Consul of the Republic of Syskeyia

im joining.

and didnt Iesus go muslim or something?

High Emperor Mathias is very interested in this alliance. He will commit Mathias Prime to this group.

The Holy Republic of New Gondor will join this alliance, although we are a republic and a change in government may affect our membership.

~ Cardinal Secles, Prime Minister of New Gondor

OOC: You know this might be interesting, if not for the fact that ROANIA SEEMS TO WANT MY HEAD ON A PLATTER. :?

Jesus says BUMP :P

OOC: You know this might be interesting, if not for the fact that ROANIA SEEMS TO WANT MY HEAD ON A PLATTER. :?

OOC: I just want your head. Platter isn't important. :wink:

OOC: You know this might be interesting, if not for the fact that ROANIA SEEMS TO WANT MY HEAD ON A PLATTER. :?

OOC: I just want your head. Platter isn't important. :wink:

Hey Roania, read my Factbook?
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101897

We wish to enter into this agreement also. The Church holds much authority in our nation.

Cardinal Gregory Aston

Anyone interested out there? Please ask questions.

dp

We are Perturbed.

http://www.animeadrenaline.com/gundam/g/wong.jpg
His Serene Emminence, the Sultanate Abu Zani

I would like to make it clear to all that this alliance is not going to be hostile to those of other faiths, unless they are hostile to us. We have nothing but the highest respect for followers of other faiths. It's those Christians who split away from the teachings of the Church who irk us.

http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:ndUJWuWS6T4C:www.pahiatua.net.nz/images/musketeers/richelieu_small.jpg
Cardinal Johannes Richelieu
Senior Cardinal within Roania

We did not split away from the Catholic Church, they split away from us.

-Paraphrase of Martin Luther, one of the greatest men who ever lived.

Aquilla is disturbed. Particularly as we have just declared ourselves The Defenders of the True Faith (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100876&highlight=)
EDT why did you have to respond, I was Deating them

OOC: Edit those posts, or I dispatch assassins to kill you in RL.

We are Perturbed.

http://www.animeadrenaline.com/gundam/g/wong.jpg
His Serene Emminence, the Sultanate Abu Zani

I would like to make it clear to all that this alliance is not going to be hostile to those of other faiths, unless they are hostile to us. We have nothing but the highest respect for followers of other faiths. It's those Christians who split away from the teachings of the Church who irk us.

http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:ndUJWuWS6T4C:www.pahiatua.net.nz/images/musketeers/richelieu_small.jpg
Cardinal Johannes Richelieu
Senior Cardinal within Roania

We did not split away from the Catholic Church, they split away from us.

-Paraphrase of Martin Luther, one of the greatest men who ever lived.

Aquilla is disturbed. Particularly as we have just declared ourselves The Defenders of the True Faith (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100876&highlight=)
Member of Electoral College
Minister for Theocratic matters

This is an alliance of Roman Catholics who recognise the Pope in Rome and not those who seek to create their own popes or alternative papal systems and Roania does not muck around ...

ahhh shadup infidels..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 8) 8) :twisted: :twisted:

ahhh shadup infidels..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 8) 8) :twisted: :twisted:

ahhh shadup infidels..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 8) 8) :twisted: :twisted:

Celts ...

ahhh shadup infidels..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 8) 8) :twisted: :twisted:

Anyone want a crusade?

Sorry, Aquilla.

ahhh shadup infidels..... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: 8) 8) :twisted: :twisted:

Anyone want a crusade?

Sorry, Aquilla.

I ignore trolls ... unless he goes persecuting Christians.

Cardinal ??? of The Captain

Cardinal Gregory Aston

He's the national figurehead for The Church in The Captain. We have no official government leader, just a Senate, of which Cardinal Aston is a Senator as a representative of The Church.

Greetings:

The RCO is most interested in joining this group. By permission of Prime Minister Burke, and assent of Queen Victoria, the Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland and its dominions request entry into this organization. There is no strict separation between Church and state within our realm, and the Catholic Church is the state religion. We would be proud to be with a group of Catholic nations, upholding and defending the Faith in the world.

Our dominions include the Dominion of New Kirkwick (led by Dominion Governor Buckley), the Colony of Conradistan (led by Colony Governor Day), and an unnamed protectorate, controlled by various religious orders under the supervision of Archbishop Anselm (we will give the name to the head of the organization). We offer their assistance as well (New Kirkwick can offer military and economic aid, while Conradistan and the protectorate can offer volunteers and diplomatic services).

We hope that our empire is granted membership to this find group. We look forward to a response.

With Great Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Greetings:

The RCO is most interested in joining this group. By permission of Prime Minister Burke, and assent of Queen Victoria, the Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland and its dominions request entry into this organization. There is no strict separation between Church and state within our realm, and the Catholic Church is the state religion. We would be proud to be with a group of Catholic nations, upholding and defending the Faith in the world.

Our dominions include the Dominion of New Kirkwick (led by Dominion Governor Buckley), the Colony of Conradistan (led by Colony Governor Day), and an unnamed protectorate, controlled by various religious orders under the supervision of Archbishop Anselm (we will give the name to the head of the organization). We offer their assistance as well (New Kirkwick can offer military and economic aid, while Conradistan and the protectorate can offer volunteers and diplomatic services).

We hope that our empire is granted membership to this find group. We look forward to a response.

With Great Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Welcome Oakeshottland. Your membership is accepted.

OOC

I remember you as a member of ex-region Catholic Conferedation unless I'm getting confused.

Cheers!

my nation will gladly join :D

Indeed, you are correct. The RCO used to belong to the Catholic Confederation. Our nation even held the Foreign Minister position of the region for a time (the seat was held by then Fr. Anselm, now Archbishop Anselm, the administrator for the protectorate). Unfortunately, we had to leave as that region imploded (and we suffered our own internal strife). But, hopefully better times are ahead.

We thank Jerusalem for the acceptance. We hope that the RCO can serve the Defenders of the Faith well.

With Great Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Indeed, you are correct. The RCO used to belong to the Catholic Confederation. Our nation even held the Foreign Minister position of the region for a time (the seat was held by then Fr. Anselm, now Archbishop Anselm, the administrator for the protectorate). Unfortunately, we had to leave as that region imploded (and we suffered our own internal strife). But, hopefully better times are ahead.

We thank Jerusalem for the acceptance. We hope that the RCO can serve the Defenders of the Faith well.

With Great Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

This one is bigger and better and more inclusive too.

My factbook
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=101897&highlight=

Thank you the link to your factbook. Hopefully, the RCO will have something similar up within the next few NS years.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Emperor Tamazoid of the Holy Empire of Isochronous hereby signs the entrance agreement into the alliance.

Emperor Tamazoid of the Holy Empire of Isochronous hereby signs the entrance agreement into the alliance.

Welcome. God bless.

Greetings:

For future records, here is our world factsheet.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102043

We thank Jerusalem for the template we used on this sheet, and we apologize that it does not reach the same level of quality as Jerusalem's.

With respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Bump so thread does not get lost ...

Bump so thread does not get lost ...

ditto that

There have to be more Catholic nations out there. Come on, we're the universal Church, for cryin' out loud!

You know who you are.

Oh, right - BUMP.

Alright, I geuss that you can count me interested in joining.

There have to be more Catholic nations out there. Come on, we're the universal Church, for cryin' out loud!

There are plenty more. But many are opposed to the idea of "crusades."

There have to be more Catholic nations out there. Come on, we're the universal Church, for cryin' out loud!

You know who you are.

Oh, right - BUMP.

If Belem gets kicked out, I'll join.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

my country will be ultra conservative roman catholic :D

Notes - nations to add
* Athel Nora
* Chaloner

Can you guys please name a signatory official?
Cheers

Bumpo too - these forum timeouts are getting annoying :?

Syskeyia - what's your disagreement with Belem?

AMENDMENT

Crusading is optional for members. Non-crusading members do not have to vote and only votes from "Crusading" members count towards a vote for Crusade. Members please indicate their stance this issue.

Current members are assumed to be "Crusading" members unless notified otherwise.

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Prince Alexander of Roania
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem (verified)
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
??? of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner

Non-Crusading
<no one yet>

Belem will be a crusader.

Ahh, if you don't mind we're going to be sending missionaries to you poor unconverted heathens.

Ahh, if you don't mind we're going to be sending missionaries to you poor unconverted heathens.

Send them, but don't expect them to come back ...

Long has Teritora stood as a protecter of the faith, a nearly century old example being when King Dorl the VII came to the aid of fleeing christians of Galdania with nothing but 20,000 cermonial gaurdsmen and fought the Galdania army who tried to keep the King and company from rescuing them and rescue them we did at the cost of the king's and others lifes. You may count us in for the defense of the mother church, and God.

Long has Teritora stood as a protecter of the faith, a nearly century old example being when King Dorl the VII came to the aid of fleeing christians of Galdania with nothing but 20,000 cermonial gaurdsmen and fought the Galdania army who tried to keep the King and company from rescuing them and rescue them we did at the cost of the king's and others lifes. You may count us in for the defense of the mother church, and God.

Crusading or non-Crusading? From your info, Crusading!

Can we crusade against Islam?

Long has Teritora stood as a protecter of the faith, a nearly century old example being when King Dorl the VII came to the aid of fleeing christians of Galdania with nothing but 20,000 cermonial gaurdsmen and fought the Galdania army who tried to keep the King and company from rescuing them and rescue them we did at the cost of the king's and others lifes. You may count us in for the defense of the mother church, and God.

Ah... current ruler's name?

Can we crusade against Islam?

We got heretics to convert 1st (no names).

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102351

Jeruselem, check.

Long has Teritora stood as a protecter of the faith, a nearly century old example being when King Dorl the VII came to the aid of fleeing christians of Galdania with nothing but 20,000 cermonial gaurdsmen and fought the Galdania army who tried to keep the King and company from rescuing them and rescue them we did at the cost of the king's and others lifes. You may count us in for the defense of the mother church, and God.

Ah... current ruler's name?

The Current king just got assassinated by assassins sent by Rebels rebeling agaist the Tordoran government and who have a grudge agaist Teritora and many other countries.

The next king personmost likely to become king is Prince Loren Tor Asha.

Fully conscious of the irony, i can't help noting that the basis of unity of this alliance is not fully in keeping with the spirit of the recent Council of the Universal Church, nor the teachings of Pope John Paul II on the importance of peace.

Fully conscious of the irony, i can't help noting that the basis of unity of this alliance is not fully in keeping with the spirit of the recent Council of the Universal Church, nor the teachings of Pope John Paul II on the importance of peace.

Bah to that. Death to the Anti-popes!

Fully conscious of the irony, i can't help noting that the basis of unity of this alliance is not fully in keeping with the spirit of the recent Council of the Universal Church, nor the teachings of Pope John Paul II on the importance of peace.

True, but Catholics speak a alliance now. Joining as a non-Crusading member?

Fully conscious of the irony, i can't help noting that the basis of unity of this alliance is not fully in keeping with the spirit of the recent Council of the Universal Church, nor the teachings of Pope John Paul II on the importance of peace.

True, but Catholics speak a alliance now. Joining as a non-Crusading member?

He has an Anti-pope, and is against Rome, last I checked.

Fully conscious of the irony, i can't help noting that the basis of unity of this alliance is not fully in keeping with the spirit of the recent Council of the Universal Church, nor the teachings of Pope John Paul II on the importance of peace.

True, but Catholics speak a alliance now. Joining as a non-Crusading member?

He has an Anti-pope, and is against Rome, last I checked.

More heretics :)

Count us in, for the santity of the holy mother church, to put down the Heretics and for the defense against those who would persucute catholics.

Queen Seria

Count us in, for the santity of the holy mother church, to put down the Heretics and for the defense against those who would persucute catholics.

Queen Seria

Will do.

Fully conscious of the irony, i can't help noting that the basis of unity of this alliance is not fully in keeping with the spirit of the recent Council of the Universal Church, nor the teachings of Pope John Paul II on the importance of peace.

True, but Catholics speak a alliance now. Joining as a non-Crusading member?

He has an Anti-pope, and is against Rome, last I checked.

Um, no.

The Church of Tanah Burung recognizes John Paul as Pope and accepts orthodox church teachings on all matters except human sexuality. We have no plans to set up anything as absurd as an Anti-Pope. Too many Popes spoil the broth. Our government informs me they will not be joining this or any other military alliance, but we wish all our sisters and brothers in faith the very best. Indeed, we hope they will adhere to the teachings of the Pope on peace.

FX Mangunvijaya
Bishop of Burung-yang-membuat-dunia

The Holy Empire of Komdoria would be greatly honored to join this Holy Alliance. We are a Roman Catholic nation that recognizes and supports Pope John Paul II.

It heartens the Emperor to know that, even in this day and age, such alliances exist where the devout may stand together against the evil in the world.

We would be willing to Crusade, though our military is small. We are planning to expand it. Nonetheless, we will fight with all our hearts if need be.

We will await your reply with tredipation.

Emperor Cuchulain I

We are honored to have you amongst us.

~Prince Alexander

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"If I see one more tinpot dictator proclaiming himself Emperor, while I'm stuck as a Prince..."

We are honored to have you amongst us.

~Prince Alexander

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"If I see one more tinpot dictator proclaiming himself Emperor, while I'm stuck as a Prince..."

You are the leader of your nation ...

What exactly are you intentions for "DotF". Nar-Knife has already stated its position on what those intentions seem to be. Various members of "DotF" have responded Nar-Knife's position - please state it - all members - what each member-state's goals for "DotF" are. If you do not know of Nar-Knife's position please read : http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102389&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

What exactly are you intentions for "DotF". Nar-Knife has already stated its position on what those intentions seem to be. Various members of "DotF" have responded Nar-Knife's position - please state it - all members - what each member-state's goals for "DotF" are. If you do not know of Nar-Knife's position please read : http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102389&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

The primary purpose of this alliance is mutual support for diplomatic, military, and commercial interests of Catholic nations.

In the event a member state's Catholic government is under attack, it can invoke the support of the DotF.

OOC: do we have a forum/website yet?

Roania's goals: Short term, give Dar-Knife 10 more minutes, than take him over.

Long term, and in this alliance... maybe to make some new allies, etc.

OOC: do we have a forum/website yet?

Not yet. Need a good one which does not implement image link blocking.

I wish to crush some Muslim states - in the interest of global security and human rights.

I wish to crush some Muslim states - in the interest of global security and human rights.

Only if they post a direct thread to member nations. I don't want to set an impetious for Moslem nations to form their own.

I wish to crush some Muslim states - in the interest of global security and human rights.

Whilst we understand the threat of Islamic extremists, we feel that this suggestion is absurd and only threatens global security rather than enhancing it. To attack a state simply for being Muslim is ridiculous, even though they go against the teachings of Catholicism.

I wish to crush some Muslim states - in the interest of global security and human rights.

Whilst we understand the threat of Islamic extremists, we feel that this suggestion is absurd and only threatens global security rather than enhancing it. To attack a state simply for being Muslim is ridiculous, even though they go against the teachings of Catholicism.

Extremists everywhere, but they are on our side :wink:

If I recall correctly, this allaince is to protect Catholict states from pagan invasion and from heretics. Also it seems that their already is a number of Islamic allainces.
Oh yes, let me present ...
... His Imperial Might, Filavandrel aep Hiand-hral, leader of Athel Nora.
http://www.eldaronline.com/scripts/gallery/albums/art/afy.jpg

If I recall correctly, this allaince is to protect Catholict states from pagan invasion and from heretics. Also it seems that their already is a number of Islamic allainces.
Oh yes, let me present ...
... His Imperial Might, Filavandrel aep Hiand-hral, leader of Athel Nora.
http://www.eldaronline.com/scripts/gallery/albums/art/afy.jpg

You sure picked a good name to spell.

His Most Catholic and Imperial Majesty the Emperor Andreus I Capet of Pantocratoria will sign. However, the Holy Empire of Pantocratoria will not participate in any crusade other than one intended to restore the throne of Constantinople to the House of Bourbon-Comnenus-Palaeologus, its rightful possessors.

His Most Catholic and Imperial Majesty the Emperor Andreus I Capet of Pantocratoria will sign. However, the Holy Empire of Pantocratoria will not participate in any crusade other than one intended to restore the throne of Constantinople to the House of Bourbon-Comnenus-Palaeologus, its rightful possessors.

Welcome to our holy alliance. You are "non-Crusading", but that's fine.
Wonder who controls Constantinople in NS?

Pantocratorian intelligence suggests that it is still under the thumb of the HATED TURK whose occupation of the capital of the Eastern Roman Empire is eternally decried in a verse of the Pantocratorian National Anthem...


O God him restore,
To our home of yore,
Constantinople!
Cast her Turk occupiers,
Into Hell's hottest fires!
Crown him with angelic choirs,
God save the Emperor!

OOC: I think ADK claims Constantinople but its impossible to go to war with him without dealing with complete and utter BS. So we can just say some NPC nation controls it.

OOC: I think ADK claims Constantinople but its impossible to go to war with him without dealing with complete and utter BS. So we can just say some NPC nation controls it.

OOC: Quite satisfactory to me. Some NPC nation named TURKEY. :D

You sure picked a good name to spell.
You can say that again... :roll:
But then, what do you expect from elves?

The Dominion of Holy Mercenaries will join. We defend the Faith by means of war and are Catholic, but tollerant of all Christians. We are ruled by General Marcus Johnson.

UPDATE

Our alliance has an official flag.
http://wwseti.tripod.com/images/Jeruselem%20Nation's2%20Flag.jpg

We didn't create, but commissioned someone else. Use it if you want to. Not compulsary though.

To the leadership of Nar Knife, Greetings:

The RCO intends its participation with the Defenders of the Faith to do the following.

1.) Increase relations, in terms of trade, technology, diplomacy, and the like, with fellow Catholic states.

2.) Increase the level of integration of international policy among Catholic states, allowing them to be an influential bloc on issues of concern.

3.) Mutual protection and defence of the Faithful.

4.) Protection of religious brethern in other lands.

This fourth element is the RCO's alone, and does not stipulate it as part of DotF policy. In our infancy, we tried to block a genocide of religious citizens (all religions) within the Imperial Continent Vector. We failed, and risked destruction. We hope that a united front of the faithful could discourage nations and regions from doing such genocides in the future. We have no intention of becoming genocidal, or of supporting forced conversion. We hope for peace, but are also willing to fight for the tranquility of order.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Transmission to the World

<Transmission to the world>
<Diplomatic Corp>
{Encryption 3857}

Garrison II requests memebership

{Transmission Over}

http://www.gamespy.com/avatars/av/FN/fn650.gif
Lady Taylor
Lady of Garrison II
House of David
Lady of York

Transmission to the World

<Transmission to the world>
<Diplomatic Corp>
{Encryption 3857}

Garrison II requests memebership

{Transmission Over}

http://www.gamespy.com/avatars/av/FN/fn650.gif
Lady Taylor
Lady of Garrison II
House of David
Lady of York

{Processing 1024 bit encryption key}

Accepted.

{Reencryption}

Be assured, so called defenders; if any armed troops are found crusading on soil protected by the Stufflvanian military there will be an investigation of the crusade.
If Stufflvania disagrees with the crusade, all troops crusading will be executed.
If Stufflvania agrees, or is indifferent to the crusade, a heavy tax will be extracted from the governments responsible, or the crusading troops will be executed.

Fair warning has been sent

Supreme Commander James Anthony Robertson, III

Be assured, so called defenders; if any armed troops are found crusading on soil protected by the Stufflvanian military there will be an investigation of the crusade.
If Stufflvania disagrees with the crusade, all troops crusading will be executed.
If Stufflvania agrees, or is indifferent to the crusade, a heavy tax will be extracted from the governments responsible, or the crusading troops will be executed.

Fair warning has been sent

Supreme Commander James Anthony Robertson, III

Trolls :roll:

Crusading catholics gives me a reason to nuke Belem from orbit

heh heh heh



Fleetworlds Republic
Obserdity investigation divison
Kalidan city
Planet Kalidan

Crusading catholics gives me a reason to nuke Belem from orbit

heh heh heh



Fleetworlds Republic
Obserdity investigation divison
Kalidan city
Planet Kalidan

Obserdity investigation divison?

Yeap investigating your obserdity as crusading catholics

indeed! your using this as a way of bulling other nations on NS Earth to fall in line with your religious beliefs if a war against you starts be sure that a Peacekeeper legion will be there to stomp you down



Regards

Grayza le nee
Grand Princeps
Fleetworlds Republic
Kalidan city
Kalidan Prime

Yeap investigating your obserdity as crusading catholics

indeed! your using this as a way of bulling other nations on NS Earth to fall in line with your religious beliefs if a war against you starts be sure that a Peacekeeper legion will be there to stomp you down



Regards

Grayza le nee
Grand Princeps
Fleetworlds Republic
Kalidan city
Kalidan Prime

It's absurdity ... not obsurdity

King Xenophon of the Schismatic States would like to join

King Xenophon of the Schismatic States would like to join

No more schism? Crusading or non-crusading? Non-crusading means no participation in a crusade (which needs 75% approval from crusading members). My guess is non.

Be assured, so called defenders; if any armed troops are found crusading on soil protected by the Stufflvanian military there will be an investigation of the crusade.
If Stufflvania disagrees with the crusade, all troops crusading will be executed.
If Stufflvania agrees, or is indifferent to the crusade, a heavy tax will be extracted from the governments responsible, or the crusading troops will be executed.

Fair warning has been sent

Supreme Commander James Anthony Robertson, III

Trolls :roll:

OOC: not really. This nation has been involved in some off site RPs, and is highly aggressive, expansionistic and money hungry. It also has biases against certain religeons including Catholicism. Especially Roman Catholicism, because of a higher power that the leader, stated above, would not want to submit to.
The one thing stopping Commander Roberston from declaring war on the whole region is that he's out numbered, and most likely out gunned severly.

Be assured, so called defenders; if any armed troops are found crusading on soil protected by the Stufflvanian military there will be an investigation of the crusade.
If Stufflvania disagrees with the crusade, all troops crusading will be executed.
If Stufflvania agrees, or is indifferent to the crusade, a heavy tax will be extracted from the governments responsible, or the crusading troops will be executed.

Fair warning has been sent

Supreme Commander James Anthony Robertson, III

Trolls :roll:

OOC: not really. This nation has been involved in some off site RPs, and is highly aggressive, expansionistic and money hungry. It also has biases against certain religeons including Catholicism. Especially Roman Catholicism, because of a higher power that the leader, stated above, would not want to submit to.
The one thing stopping Commander Roberston from declaring war on the whole region is that he's out numbered, and most likely out gunned severly.

OOC

That's OK. Just getting annoyed with people being twats to us of late. Troll statement rescinded.

's alright

King Xenophon of the Schismatic States would like to join

No more schism? Crusading or non-crusading? Non-crusading means no participation in a crusade (which needs 75% approval from crusading members). My guess is non.
No schism. Our national government is Catholic through and through. We're called the Schismatic States because of the freqent rebellions amongst the provincials who hate central authority, not because of theological differences.

We would participate in any and all crusades to further and protect the Church. OOC: Sorry for the confusion, I had thought that being a member of this group implied being a crusader state unless otherwise stated.

King Xenophon of the Schismatic States would like to join

No more schism? Crusading or non-crusading? Non-crusading means no participation in a crusade (which needs 75% approval from crusading members). My guess is non.
No schism. Our national government is Catholic through and through. We're called the Schismatic States because of the freqent rebellions amongst the provincials who hate central authority, not because of theological differences.

We would participate in any and all crusades to further and protect the Church. OOC: Sorry for the confusion, I had thought that being a member of this group implied being a crusader state unless otherwise stated.

The "non" option is for the more peaceful members like Pancratoria. We need some balance too as Roania and Belem are not exactly peace loving hippies. :wink:

Do Catholics really vote for the Pope? Thats seems kinnda weird to me, but oh well-I belive that restricting the Defenders to Roman Catholics will not get that much support.

Do Catholics really vote for the Pope? Thats seems kinnda weird to me, but oh well-I belive that restricting the Defenders to Roman Catholics will not get that much support.

Pope is appointed from a group of Cardinals in Rome. Only Roman Catholic ones can apply.

Yeap investigating your obserdity as crusading catholics

indeed! your using this as a way of bulling other nations on NS Earth to fall in line with your religious beliefs if a war against you starts be sure that a Peacekeeper legion will be there to stomp you down



Regards

Grayza le nee
Grand Princeps
Fleetworlds Republic
Kalidan city
Kalidan Prime

You send one nuke, I fire 10 nukes and GoldenEye. It's that simple - don't mess with me, or this organisation, and you will remain safe.

send your cowardly goons to Kefka and we shall smash your idol-worshipping pope loving monkey butts to the ground. SECULAR STYLE

send your cowardly goons to Kefka and we shall smash your idol-worshipping pope loving monkey butts to the ground. SECULAR STYLE

More trollers :roll:

Crusading catholics gives me a reason to nuke Belem from orbit

heh heh heh



Fleetworlds Republic
Obserdity investigation divison
Kalidan city
Planet Kalidan

trying to nuke belem gives me a reason to turn your country into a radioactive playground.

UPDATE

Crusading
??? of Chaloner
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem
Emperor Cuchulain I of Kromdoria
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
General Marcus Johnson of Holy Mercenaries (under investigation)
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
King Xenophon of the Schismatic States
Lady Taylor of Garrison II
Prince Alexander of Roania
Queen Seria of Tordor
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Whoever is in charge of Territora

Non-Crusading

Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratria

Apologies for any typos or stuff-ups.

send your cowardly goons to Kefka and we shall smash your idol-worshipping pope loving monkey butts to the ground. SECULAR STYLE

Initialising nuclear warhead launch sequence...

The Dominion of Holy Mercenaries will join. We defend the Faith by means of war and are Catholic, but tollerant of all Christians. We are ruled by General Marcus Johnson.

Don't let this warmongerer join your organization. He just wants to join because he has fought against us and lost twice. I'm sure that as soon as he joins, he'll declare war on me and use allies as his shield. I was going to spare him from a counterstrike on his nation, but he has gone too far now.

The Dominion of Holy Mercenaries will join. We defend the Faith by means of war and are Catholic, but tollerant of all Christians. We are ruled by General Marcus Johnson.

Don't let this warmongerer join your organization. He just wants to join because he has fought against us and lost twice. I'm sure that as soon as he joins, he'll declare war on me and use allies as his shield. I was going to spare him from a counterstrike on his nation, but he has gone too far now.

Two attempts? Obsessed indeed.

TAG

Okay, full summary of changes to make, please.

quote="Roania"]Okay, full summary of changes to make, please.[/quote]

UPDATE

Crusading
??? of Chaloner
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem
Emperor Cuchulain I of Kromdoria
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
General Marcus Johnson of Holy Mercenaries (probationary for the moment)
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
King Xenophon of the Schismatic States
Lady Taylor of Garrison II
Prince Alexander of Roania
Queen Seria of Tordor
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Whoever is in charge of Territora

Non-Crusading

Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratria

New members in Bold.

Do you really think that accepting some of those states into this excellent organization is such a good proposition? I mean, some of the states on that list eschew Catholic principles of just war and just blow everything up like that. Sorry to say, but Garrison II publicly calls itself the "Evil Empire" and participates in cloning and GDODAD and such. And before that I was going to buy spaceships from him. Oh well.

I'd like to join, but I'm not so sure right now.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Do you really think that accepting some of the states into this excellent organization is such a good proposition? I mean, some of the states on that list eschew Catholic principles of just war and just blow everything up like that. Sorry to say, but Garrison II publicly calls itself the "Evil Empire" and participates in cloning and GDODAD and such. And before that I was going to buy spaceships from him. Oh well.

I'd like to join, but I'm not so sure right now.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Now to type out all of the bold letters in a row:

expelbelem

Syskeyia wants Belem expelled in order for him to join! I wouldn't want to act on that if I were you.


Best Regards,
President Michael J. Smith
The Code Craker

Greetings:

While we do not claim to speak for this organization or its leadership, the RCO hopes that this body will serve as a moderating element, both toning down the war propensity of some nations, while at the same time encouraging other nations to act when they should. Hopefully, with the many Catholic nations present, a reasonable and prudent mean will be found.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

You noticed I did not recruit some other Christian members of NS like ones who use Fuhrer as title (no names).

Ahh, if you don't mind we're going to be sending missionaries to you poor unconverted heathens.

Send them, but don't expect them to come back ...

Good, now I can have a cause for war on the infidels.

OOC:And just what faith does Aquilla follow anyway?

Calvinism. The only true faith. And I'll have none of that nonsense about worshiping the same God

So you worship the offshoot of the offshoot?

So your claiming not part of any christian muslim, jewish or mormen group then then...

Hmm... any changes? And Syskeyia, I need proof of heresy in doctrinal terms before we can talk expulsions. Doctrinal. Belem and Garrison II follow the bible to the letter of the law, if not for the spirit.

As I told Elentari Sirithril, that's the only thing I can bring to Queen Mariah to suggest someone gets expelled. Bring me proof, and we'll talk. This is a religious alliance, and we will accept all Catholics that follow the Holy Writ.

~Prince Alexander

Hmm... any changes? And Syskeyia, I need proof of heresy in doctrinal terms before we can talk expulsions. Doctrinal. Belem and Garrison II follow the bible to the letter of the law, if not for the spirit.

As I told Elentari Sirithril, that's the only thing I can bring to Queen Mariah to suggest someone gets expelled. Bring me proof, and we'll talk. This is a religious alliance, and we will accept all Catholics that follow the Holy Writ.

~Prince Alexander

Well, if a Belem citizen loses his citizenship, the Belem government no longer considers that citizen to be human. The Church, of course, still recognizes the humanity of the ex-citizens, so there's your heresy right there.

Also, the Belem government forces people to convert to Catholicism, which is against Church teachings as expressed in the Second Vatican Council document Dignitatis Humanae (http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V2RELFRE.HTM).

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Belem? Your defense?

In Belem you can only be 4 things 1. a Citizen(both parents are born in Belem and you are a citizen) 2. a Civilian anyone who is legally a resident of Belem but is not a citizen either because they are an immigrant or one of there parents is an immigrant 3. A foreigner anyone who is visiting Belem or temporarily living in Belem, most of the usually live in the Foreign Quarters of the cities. 4. A Non Human.

Now if someone commits a crime they are stripped of their citizenship so they are no longer a citizen, but they do not meet the criteria to be a civlian and they cleary do not meet the criteria to be a foreigner. So they are considered a non human and most should be considered non humans if they commit a violent crime. They are only stripped of their citizenship if they are sent to prison or commit a crime where the minimum sentence is a prison stay.

And technically we don't force people to convert unless they worship a heretical cult. We just give the person a very perssuasive argument to convert. 1. they arent' considered a full citizen if Catholic 2. most businesses won't hire them. 3. something they say will be held to a lower regard then something said by a true citizen 4. If they have any political, military and to a lesser effect business ambition they will need to be Catholic.
Of course there are some exceptions to the rule but most of those convince people to convert and its not they are enforced by the government the people won't deal with non believers.

IC
[i] A letter is sent towards Jeruslkaem, showing the seal, of the Arch Bishop of Carmayar*

Greetings Brethern,

While I do hear that an alliance of Cursader states is coming about, to protect the Church, I must say I am pleased, and yet a little disturbed. Now, before heresy is called, I believe that CarMayar would come in the Defense of Rome, should it need it, but we are not ones to meddle with what is not ours.

Faith is a delicate thing, and while we believe in the teachings of the Pope John Paul, we also shall nto deviate from them like you all seem to do. God preaches to love thy neighbor and so we shall, and we shall not forece the Good News upon them, rather we shall tell it to all those who wish to hear and hopefully convert the willing.

I am shocked and hurt to think that this alliance when calling for Crusading states, would even dream to break a covenant of Christ. The Beloved Pope, preaches for Peace, and there fore, we see no reason to seek other.

We shall remain faithful and loyal to the Church as many citizens are Catholic, but we will not join in some radical alliance, which looks to go against what Christ preached. I do believe war does come and in inevitable, and one must do it in defense of one's country, but I do not see God, sending men to kill another when he hath said, for us to love one another.

We will not join and you shall get no aid from Carmayar. My words stand for my King's words as well. We will come to Rome's aid should they need it, and those allies who live close by, but we shall not raise arms up against our borther man.

In Christ,

Eligius X

Arch Bishop of Carmayar, Cardinal representive to the Holy See in Rome.

IC
[i] A letter is sent towards Jeruslkaem, showing the seal, of the Arch Bishop of Carmayar*

Greetings Brethern,

While I do hear that an alliance of Cursader states is coming about, to protect the Church, I must say I am pleased, and yet a little disturbed. Now, before heresy is called, I believe that CarMayar would come in the Defense of Rome, should it need it, but we are not ones to meddle with what is not ours.

Faith is a delicate thing, and while we believe in the teachings of the Pope John Paul, we also shall nto deviate from them like you all seem to do. God preaches to love thy neighbor and so we shall, and we shall not forece the Good News upon them, rather we shall tell it to all those who wish to hear and hopefully convert the willing.

I am shocked and hurt to think that this alliance when calling for Crusading states, would even dream to break a covenant of Christ. The Beloved Pope, preaches for Peace, and there fore, we see no reason to seek other.

We shall remain faithful and loyal to the Church as many citizens are Catholic, but we will not join in some radical alliance, which looks to go against what Christ preached. I do believe war does come and in inevitable, and one must do it in defense of one's country, but I do not see God, sending men to kill another when he hath said, for us to love one another.

We will not join and you shall get no aid from Carmayar. My words stand for my King's words as well. We will come to Rome's aid should they need it, and those allies who live close by, but we shall not raise arms up against our borther man.

In Christ,

Eligius X

Arch Bishop of Carmayar, Cardinal representive to the Holy See in Rome.

IGNORED ... especially if you can't spell my nations name. It is not Jeruslkaem.

Your claims to Rome are ignored too. My other nation Holy Latin Empire is Rome and is much established.

A Crusade is a Pope-called war and nations send their troops to assist with the papal task. So you don't approve of Israel/Jerusalem under the control of Christians?

OOC

Don't take this personally eh?

So your claiming not part of any christian muslim, jewish or mormen group then then...

Joining or just annoying Aquilla? Cheers

So your claiming not part of any christian muslim, jewish or mormen group then then...

Joining or just annoying Aquilla? Cheers

Not joining but I couldn't resist when he made that comment.

Being a history addict, just had to post this about the Heretical Calvinism

Calvinism is named after John Calvin, who exerted international influence on the development of the doctrine of the Protestant Reformation, beginning at the age of 25, when he started work on his first edition of the Institutes of the Christian Religion in 1534 (published 1536). This work, which underwent a number of revisions in his lifetime, plus a number of polemical and pastoral works and a massive collection of commentaries on the Bible are the source of Calvin's ongoing personal influence on Protestantism. Calvinism marks the second phase of the Protestant Reformation, when evangelical churches began to form following Luther's excommunication from the Roman Catholic Church. In this sense, Calvinism was originally a Lutheran movement. Calvin himself signed the Lutheran Augsburg confession in 1540. On the other hand, Calvin's influence first began to be felt in the Swiss Reformation, which was not Lutheran but rather, followed Huldrych Zwingli. It became evident that doctrine in the Reformed churches was developing in a direction independent of Luther's, under the influence of numerous writers and reformers, among whom John Calvin was pre-eminent, and thus became called Calvinism.

Given that it has multiple founders, the name "Calvinism" is somewhat misleading if taken to imply that every major feature of the doctrine of the "Calvinist churches", or of all Calvinist movements, can be found in the writings of Calvin. The name applies generally to the Protestant doctrines that were held in common among the non-Lutheran national churches of Protestant countries and various minority Protestant reform movements, known as the Reformed churches, which formed outside of the Catholic Church in the latter two thirds of the 16th century (and in England in the 17th century).

We propose an international association of Catholics devoted to the principles of the faith and not to the false teachings of war and sub-humanity. Its basis of unity would consist of the words of Christ in Romans 13:9

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

We note once again that the Great Council of the Universal Church, attended by many states that have signed this alliance with governments that routinely violate the commandment "thou shalt not kill," agreed that Crusades were not be allowed. This alliance violates the agreements of that Council.

FX Mangunvijaya
Bishop of Burung-yang-membuat-dunia

Without the Crusades in the middle ages, the teachings of the Catholic church would not have reached the Baltic and Middle East. While the methods used at the time were not peaceful nor totally to the teachings of the Church, the existence of some of our members like Pantocratoria (always misspell this name) and ourselves would not have existed.

Crusading is optional in our alliance and a Crusade is not taken lightly.
It is intended as an all-out war to neutralise a nation which threatens all Catholic nations and not as a vehicle to subjicate nations. The DotF is not intended to use Crusade as a way to convert a nation of Catholism, but an extreme measure to neutralise the offensive capabilty of an hostile nation to the DotF and Catholics.

We propose an international association of Catholics devoted to the principles of the faith and not to the false teachings of war and sub-humanity. Its basis of unity would consist of the words of Christ in Romans 13:9

For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

We note once again that the Great Council of the Universal Church, attended by many states that have signed this alliance with governments that routinely violate the commandment "thou shalt not kill," agreed that Crusades were not be allowed. This alliance violates the agreements of that Council.

FX Mangunvijaya
Bishop of Burung-yang-membuat-dunia

The good bishop is mistaken, they did not reach any agreement on crusades other than they were not to be brought up again at the council while it was in session and that waging crusades to convert nonbelivers was wrong. I was there and should know if any would. Most of the crusades were not wars of conversion but wars waged to defend the holy land or to recover formally christian lands overrun by the muslims.

~Archbishop Vorn

No decision was made on the validity of past Crusades, but the Council agreed that Crusades should remain in the past. The Council endorsed a proposal by Cardinal Walsh of Excalbia that “forcing anyone to proclaim adherence to the Christian faith or to the Church by force of arms or threat of violence is contrary to the teachings of Christ and to the mission of the Church.” A proposal by Archbishop Vorn of Territora to allow offensive crusades to be called by the Pope was rejected.

You seeing what you want to see, crusades fought to covert are illegal short of the impossabilty of one being called by the pope himself, the council couldn't overrule the pope. That still allows the more common forms of crusades, that of defending christian lands and protecting against those waging war on people because they are christians, to defend christians from those attacking them for their faith, defending the holy land and defensive crusades.

In Belem you can only be 4 things 1. a Citizen(both parents are born in Belem and you are a citizen) 2. a Civilian anyone who is legally a resident of Belem but is not a citizen either because they are an immigrant or one of there parents is an immigrant 3. A foreigner anyone who is visiting Belem or temporarily living in Belem, most of the usually live in the Foreign Quarters of the cities. 4. A Non Human.

Now if someone commits a crime they are stripped of their citizenship so they are no longer a citizen, but they do not meet the criteria to be a civlian and they cleary do not meet the criteria to be a foreigner. So they are considered a non human and most should be considered non humans if they commit a violent crime. They are only stripped of their citizenship if they are sent to prison or commit a crime where the minimum sentence is a prison stay.

OK, so how does a violent crime strip one, metaphysically, of his humanity? The criminal still remains a criminal and quite possibly a sinner, I concer with you there, but he loses his humanity? I still say you're a heretic in that regard.

And technically we don't force people to convert unless they worship a heretical cult. We just give the person a very perssuasive argument to convert. 1. they arent' considered a full citizen if Catholic 2. most businesses won't hire them. 3. something they say will be held to a lower regard then something said by a true citizen 4. If they have any political, military and to a lesser effect business ambition they will need to be Catholic.
Of course there are some exceptions to the rule but most of those convince people to convert and its not they are enforced by the government the people won't deal with non believers.

So they should convert to Catholicism for reasons other than they are convinced that Catholicism is the truth? Sheesh. :roll:

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

In Belem you can only be 4 things 1. a Citizen(both parents are born in Belem and you are a citizen) 2. a Civilian anyone who is legally a resident of Belem but is not a citizen either because they are an immigrant or one of there parents is an immigrant 3. A foreigner anyone who is visiting Belem or temporarily living in Belem, most of the usually live in the Foreign Quarters of the cities. 4. A Non Human.

Now if someone commits a crime they are stripped of their citizenship so they are no longer a citizen, but they do not meet the criteria to be a civlian and they cleary do not meet the criteria to be a foreigner. So they are considered a non human and most should be considered non humans if they commit a violent crime. They are only stripped of their citizenship if they are sent to prison or commit a crime where the minimum sentence is a prison stay.

OK, so how does a violent crime strip one, metaphysically, of his humanity? The criminal still remains a criminal and quite possibly a sinner, I concer with you there, but he loses his humanity? I still say you're a heretic in that regard.

And technically we don't force people to convert unless they worship a heretical cult. We just give the person a very perssuasive argument to convert. 1. they arent' considered a full citizen if Catholic 2. most businesses won't hire them. 3. something they say will be held to a lower regard then something said by a true citizen 4. If they have any political, military and to a lesser effect business ambition they will need to be Catholic.
Of course there are some exceptions to the rule but most of those convince people to convert and its not they are enforced by the government the people won't deal with non believers.

So they should convert to Catholicism for reasons other than they are convinced that Catholicism is the truth? Sheesh. :roll:

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

1. Because he doesn't fall into any of the other catergories so he is considered a non human.
2. Its not forced its advised. Kinda like whole after Constintine gave Catholicism the go ahead and said no more Pagan Temples are allowed to be constructed.

Hmm... Belem, you are in direct violation of Vatican II... Jeruselem, we accept Vatican II as Doctrine?

technically no. except for point 1 of my explanation of conversion none of that is law. Since Catholicism is the state religion only Catholics can enjoy all the privelleges associated with being a citizen.
Point 2 about businesses is most Belem citizens won't go to a store that is either owned or has non Catholics working for it. Not a law general practice
Point 3 is the citizentry will hold non believers to a lower standard. Not a law just general practice
Point 4 Only Catholics are allowed to be officers in the military because you need to be a full citizen to be an officer. Law. If they want to become part of Politics they need to be a full citizen. Law. If they own a business or want a relatively high placed position in a Corporation they need to be Catholic because people just dont trust non Catholics in Belem they are considered outsiders.

Hmm... I see.

And we can't force our people to think differently, so it is in their best interest to convert and since schools teach Catholic Doctrine most immigrants who follow different practices are converted within 1 to 2 generations.

So you worship the offshoot of the offshoot?

You COULD call it that...but we follow the teachings of the Bible more faithfully than all others.

right... :wink:

It was Christianity which first painted the devil on the worlds walls; It was Christianity which first brought sin into the world. Belief in the cure which it offered has now been shaken to it's deepest roots; but belief in the sickness which it taught and propagated continues to exists.

So Belem, in your nation the government is Catholics, but there is no intentional attempt to convert people to Christianity. However the citizens are very devout and perform their own attempts to convert the non-believers which are in the "very small minority"

Maybe you should allow minorities to practice their religion, but don't look like you are abandoning Catholic principles. In effect, they can build their own places of worship and continue with their religion, but let them do all the work (no assistance). You of course continue to assist Catholism via subtle government policy.

Roania, we do ratify Vatican II and forceful conversion of Moslems never works any.

Greetings:

The RCO is concerned at this designation of "non-human" for criminals in Belem. Even given the explanation, we hope that Belem will more perfectly attempt to come into line with orthodoxy. It would be a shame if the reason of state led your nation into heterodoxy.

As for the good ambassador from A Few Rich People, we do hope that next time he plans on saying something pithy, he may attempt quoting from someone other than a syphillitic madman.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

It was Christianity which first painted the devil on the worlds walls; It was Christianity which first brought sin into the world. Belief in the cure which it offered has now been shaken to it's deepest roots; but belief in the sickness which it taught and propagated continues to exists.

That's coming from a person who was a Protestant scholar and with a suspected mental illness inherited from this family genetics?

So Belem, in your nation the government is Catholics, but there is no intentional attempt to convert people to Christianity. However the citizens are very devout and perform their own attempts to convert the non-believers which are in the "very small minority"

Maybe you should allow minorities to practice their religion, but don't look like you are abandoning Catholic principles. In effect, they can build their own places of worship and continue with their religion, but let them do all the work (no assistance). You of course continue to assist Catholism via subtle government policy.

Roania, we do ratify Vatican II and forceful conversion of Moslems never works any.

Judaism is legal and most christian sects are legal.

So Belem, in your nation the government is Catholics, but there is no intentional attempt to convert people to Christianity. However the citizens are very devout and perform their own attempts to convert the non-believers which are in the "very small minority"

Maybe you should allow minorities to practice their religion, but don't look like you are abandoning Catholic principles. In effect, they can build their own places of worship and continue with their religion, but let them do all the work (no assistance). You of course continue to assist Catholism via subtle government policy.

Roania, we do ratify Vatican II and forceful conversion of Moslems never works any.

Judaism is legal and most christian sects are legal.

Your membership is quite assured. A little conversative, but that's OK.
If it is the will of your people, that's how it will be.

Draft document

Conduct for Crusades

Triggers

A nation can request a Crusade on an hostile party provided
* The requester is not using the Crusade for pure self-interest or malicious intent on an innocent party
* All the facts must be laid out and a flimsy pretext on dubious proof will be rejected.
* Peaceful diplomacy was attempted to solve conflict and only hostile party rejects all peace options
* The hostile party must have been proven to
(a) Threaten the sovereignty of the Vatican City where the Roman Catholic Church and Pope reside; or
(b) Threaten the sovereignty of a member nation and overthrow the Catholic government with intent to harm or wipe out the general populace as well; or
(c) Special circumstance where the DotF agree to assist other non-member nation which is threatened to be totally destroyed by the hostile party. Actions are to be limited to defending the threatened nation and neutralising the offensive capability of the hostile party.

Conduct
* Crusade cannot be pre-emptive
* WMDs are the LAST resort of warfare
* Minimal civilian casualities are desirable
* DotF will leave hostile party's territory ASAP pending achievement of aim and hostile party agrees to stop hostilities

Voting rights
* Crusading members have 1 vote
* 75% must approve before the DotF can act

Crusades are not used for
* Converting another nation to Catholism by force
* The invasion of another nation for selfish purposes. A call to invade a DotF member can be a reason to expell the requesting nation (or worse)
* Furthering imperialistic ambitions of requesting nation
* An excuse to use WMDs
* Starting Catholic rebellions in other nations

Been away too long because work ISP can't handle NS bump.

* Taggus * says McGleesh the Jew.

OOC: Hmm, too bad Tersanctans are Kungshaoists and look at the Judeo-Christian Religions as "silly". After all thats why they kicked the romans out 1900 years ago!

Emergency DoTF TV broadcast

The Defenders of the Faith alliance has condemned the actions of Normack selling Catholic citizens as slaves. We urge Normack to rescind these actions against Catholics and their forced exposure to slavery.

The actions of Normack are condemned and any deaths of Catholics resulting from these actions will be seen as an attack on the Catholic Church and nations of the world.

Approaching Christmas time, this is not a good action and the Catholic peoples of Normack do not deserve to be treated in such a inhumane manner.

Cardinal Augustus Brown, Minister of Religion and Culture

Incident
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92862

Athel Nora proposses to take further steps, meaningly to send a ultimatum to Normack. Either they stop these actions and allow DoTF forces into their territory to protect the christians from further opressions, or a crusade will be launched to abolish the opressive and in-human regime.
Either way our kin in faith will be saved...

( The whole idea is to put diplomatic pressure on them, somehow I doubt somebody would want to face several countries fighting for a good cause[says me] Though if he won't listen, Let loose the dogs of War)

Bad news, we have lost a member.

Due to OOC personal reasons, Roania is leaving NS. As of now, he will be removed from the alliance but as soon as he does come back, membership will be automatically restored.

God bless Roania (IC and OOC)

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Retired but welcome back
Prince Alexander of Roania

{Current Proposal}

Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.

Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.

*Checks hit list.*

Even though we are not part of your alliance, we'd support you in action against Normack. He's next on the Nanakaland Hit List, anyways.

The Holy Empire of Ignatius of Antioch would be glad to join such an alliance of Catholic nations. His Most Holy Emperor Irenaeus Dominicus is willing to sign his name to any document. We are located in the New Region of Catholicity, and I am sure most of our neighbors would be interested as well. Catholilcity is open to all Catholic nations if you were by chance looking for an all-Catholic region.

Question: if a person were to have more than one nation, would he commit them as well?

The Free Democratic Republic of New Gondor must, respectfully, withdraw from this alliance. The former government of our nation has given way to a new parliament, and our current political stance does not agree with the ways of the Defenders of the Faith.

-------------------------------------
The Free Democratic Republic of New-Gondor
'Demonstrating Democracy'

IC:

Well, Roania disappearing makes DotF slightly less despicable.

Pope Kes

OOC:

God bless, Roania.

Amended membership list and proposals

& denotes founder, special controller rights
* denotes non-voting puppet

Crusading
Queen Mariah I of Jeruselem (&)
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire (*)
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)
Holy Emperor Irenaeus Dominicus of Ignatius of Antioch

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Retired but welcome back
Prince Alexander of Roania

Withdrawn but friendly
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)

http://www.bnf.fr/enluminures/images/mini-img/i2_0012.gif

{Current Proposal}
Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.


Conditions on voting
* Multiple nations OK, but main nation has voting right only to stop vote flooding!
* During a Crusade, you can use one nation during a RP for fair play.
(response to question from new members like Antioch)

PS - I have two nations, but Jeruselem is the voting nation. As the founder, I do have some "extra" powers.

The Holy Empire of Ignatius of Antioch would be glad to join such an alliance of Catholic nations. His Most Holy Emperor Irenaeus Dominicus is willing to sign his name to any document. We are located in the New Region of Catholicity, and I am sure most of our neighbors would be interested as well. Catholilcity is open to all Catholic nations if you were by chance looking for an all-Catholic region.

Question: if a person were to have more than one nation, would he commit them as well?

See update before.
God bless and Merry Xmas!

IC:

Well, Roania disappearing makes DotF slightly less despicable.

Pope Kes

OOC:

God bless, Roania.

Hello heretic! Since it's Xmas, Merry Xmas to your Pope.

DotF TV Broadcast

The government of Jeruselem and member nations of the Defenders of the Faith wish all Christians (the ones who believe in it) Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year. May the festive season bring joy and cheer to a dark and dangerous world.

DotF TV Broadcast

The government of Jeruselem and member nations of the Defenders of the Faith wish all Christians (the ones who believe in it) Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year. May the festive season bring joy and cheer to a dark and dangerous world.

God bless you.

DotF TV Broadcast

The government of Jeruselem and member nations of the Defenders of the Faith wish all Christians (the ones who believe in it) Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year. May the festive season bring joy and cheer to a dark and dangerous world.

God bless you.

God bless Nanakaland and it's peoples.
* Sends a Christmas present *
http://store2.yimg.com/I/holyland-store_1769_179921

Normack's on my hit list. If you need help attacking him, we'll support you.

Normack's on my hit list. If you need help attacking him, we'll support you.

Thanks, if he gets out of General forum again.

On Christmas Eve, "peace be with you" all. Both IC and ooc.

DotF TV Broadcast

The government of Jeruselem and member nations of the Defenders of the Faith wish all Christians (the ones who believe in it) Merry Christmas and a prosperous new year. May the festive season bring joy and cheer to a dark and dangerous world.

God bless you.

God bless Nanakaland and it's peoples.
* Sends a Christmas present *
http://store2.yimg.com/I/holyland-store_1769_179921

The Cross of the Order of the Pantocrator!

Oh, and the Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem too. 8)

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Vito Lombardi of Belem
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Retired but welcome back
Prince Alexander of Roania

{Current Proposal}
Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.
Unofficial ally - Nanakaland

Pantocratoria is ranked 1st in the region and 1,005th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

It is good to see that the average Pantocratorian is as devout as the average member of the Imperial Government!

Teritora ranked 1st in the region and 126th in the world for Most Devout Nations, by the way you forgot the Tordorans on your list of nations under Queen Seria and also Teritora is now under the rule of King Doran Tor Asha the IX

Jeruselem is ranked 1st in the region and 3,076th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

and

Holy Latin Empire is ranked 46th in the region and 2,125th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

and for interest

Roania is ranked 1st in the region and 1,250th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

and we are rated 7th in the world...
this alliance is a shame! a slap in the face of true Catholics everywhere!
SHAME!
Weak liberal do nothing catholics who shame the eternal church!

I will pray for you all

and we are rated 7th in the world...
this alliance is a shame! a slap in the face of true Catholics everywhere!
SHAME!
Weak liberal do nothing catholics who shame the eternal church!

I will pray for you all

To the devil?

and we are rated 7th in the world...
this alliance is a shame! a slap in the face of true Catholics everywhere!
SHAME!
Weak liberal do nothing catholics who shame the eternal church!

I will pray for you all

Yes, well, that may be, but your trout fishing sector is in quite a state. 99,492nd in the world. So... ummmm.... so there. 8)

and we are rated 7th in the world...
this alliance is a shame! a slap in the face of true Catholics everywhere!
SHAME!
Weak liberal do nothing catholics who shame the eternal church!

I will pray for you all

Yes, well, that may be, but your trout fishing sector is in quite a state. 99,492nd in the world. So... ummmm.... so there. 8)

We are 5,315th in the world. Trout, the choice of Christ's fish dinners :P (an advertising jingle, could catch on)

Pift! have your fancy FISH! we are 7th most devout! we love the lord and thats all that matters!
you and your stinking fish idols!
we'll still pray for you (to our Lord JESUS CHRIST)

We worship His Imperial Holiness, the Divine Emperor, from among the divine Veiled Council of Thirteen. Our god is real, and palpable. He represents the True God We may see him, and speak with him. Your God is false, and far away. We pity you, and your false religion.

Priest-Ambassador Oer Iasu
Elder of the Imperial Cult
Priest of the Imperial High Priesthood

Iesus, false god alert (guy above).

We're just annoying you, but watch for those deluded heretics.

We worship His Imperial Holiness, the Divine Emperor, from among the divine Veiled Council of Thirteen. Our god is real, and palpable. He represents the True God We may see him, and speak with him. Your God is false, and far away. We pity you, and your false religion.

Priest-Ambassador Oer Iasu
Elder of the Imperial Cult
Priest of the Imperial High Priesthood

we may hate lefty catholics but we REALLY hate heretics and pagans!

We worship His Imperial Holiness, the Divine Emperor, from among the divine Veiled Council of Thirteen. Our god is real, and palpable. He represents the True God We may see him, and speak with him. Your God is false, and far away. We pity you, and your false religion.

Priest-Ambassador Oer Iasu
Elder of the Imperial Cult
Priest of the Imperial High Priesthood

We demand a crusade be started to eradicate every living man, woman and child that worships this pagan god.

Death to the blasphemers!

How can you tell what religion your country is?

Well I'm seen as favouring Catholics (just because I chose a Catholic Archbishop for my spiritual advisor!) does that count?

Oi! Oi! How did that happen?

STARBOARD!!!

I'm the one that favours Catholics not 'er!

Pantocratoria is ranked 1st in the region and 1,005th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

It is good to see that the average Pantocratorian is as devout as the average member of the Imperial Government!

Nanakaland is ranked first in my region for most devout.

Jeruselem is ranked 1st in the region and 3,076th in the world for Most Devout Nations.

Hmm. More devout than Jeruselem!

We worship His Imperial Holiness, the Divine Emperor, from among the divine Veiled Council of Thirteen. Our god is real, and palpable. He represents the True God We may see him, and speak with him. Your God is false, and far away. We pity you, and your false religion.

Priest-Ambassador Oer Iasu
Elder of the Imperial Cult
Priest of the Imperial High Priesthood

We demand a crusade be started to eradicate every living man, woman and child that worships this pagan god.

Death to the blasphemers!

You're not a DotF member, so we'll ignore that request.

DotF TV News

Jeruselem flying the DotF flag in World Cup XI. The Jeruselem Crusader team coached by Steve Marlet and captained by David Becks have made a losing start to the World Cup Campaign.

They have lost all their first three games by 1 goal, but it is early days yet. The inexperienced team of veterans and rookies have performed well not getting thrashed by better teams, but look forward to their first points.

A) To join, your nation must have, as your official religion, Roman Catholicsm. Said Roman Catholicsm must accept the primacy of Pope John Paull II

Long life To Johannes Paulus II!!

B) Your nation's ruler must be Roman Catholic.

It's The emperor of an holy empire!

C) You must bring us the heads of 25 protestants...

just 25... i must burn the other 5million....

-The Last Roman Catholic Emperor-
-Carl V-

A) To join, your nation must have, as your official religion, Roman Catholicsm. Said Roman Catholicsm must accept the primacy of Pope John Paull II

Long life To Johannes Paulus II!!

B) Your nation's ruler must be Roman Catholic.

It's The emperor of an holy empire!

C) You must bring us the heads of 25 protestants...

just 25... i must burn the other 5million....

-The Last Roman Catholic Emperor-
-Carl V-

So thats a yes? The Protestant burning bit is not really required and desirable for coexistance with Protestant nations. Just Catholic humour :P

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Anthony I of Belem
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Retired but welcome back
Prince Alexander of Roania

{Current Proposal}
Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.
Unofficial ally - Nanakaland

I see we haven't been put in either catagory. Put us down as crusading.

~Queen Seria.

UPDATE

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Anthony I of Belem
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)
** Queen Seria of Tordor

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Retired but welcome back
Prince Alexander of Roania

{Current Proposal}
Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.
Unofficial ally - Nanakaland

** = New members or member we forgot to add.

Welcome Tordor!
Good luck against the TLPA. Turn them to dust.

UPDATE

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Anthony I of Belem
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)
Queen Seria of Tordor
Prince Alexander of Roania

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Ex-members
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)

{Current Proposal}
Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.
Unofficial ally - Nanakaland

Also a crusading member is Cherry Ridge

Greetings, fellow members:

Please forgive our absence. We request to know the current status of the Normack vote. We vote for diplomatic pressure as well. Is the situation on-going, or has time enough passed that some resolution has been reached? Please advise. Thank you.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

UPDATE

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Anthony I of Belem
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
Whoever is in charge of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)
Queen Seria of Tordor
Prince Alexander of Roania
??? of Cherry Ridge

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Ex-members
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)

{Current Proposal}
Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.
Unofficial ally - Nanakaland

Greetings, fellow members:

Please forgive our absence. We request to know the current status of the Normack vote. We vote for diplomatic pressure as well. Is the situation on-going, or has time enough passed that some resolution has been reached? Please advise. Thank you.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Normack is a General forumer who makes a very occasional NS appearance who tends to be anti-Catholic. It's also 2+ billion nation.

Normack is a General forumer who makes a very occasional NS appearance who tends to be anti-Catholic. It's also 2+ billion nation.

Population doesn't matter if I unleash a cocktail of Sarin and VX nerve gases on their major military bases and then send in NBCD Special Forces.

Certainly, the RCO would prefer diplomatic means used first, if at all possible.

But, in terms of size, while an over two billion population is worrisome, it seems that the combined strength of the DotF could do meet the challenge. But, again, we suggest diplomatic means first.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

For the List, King Doran rules Teritora now. He passed the final test of slaying a mightly dragon.

UPDATE

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Anthony I of Belem
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
King Doran of Territora (yes, it's official)
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)
Queen Seria of Tordor
Prince Alexander of Roania
??? of Cherry Ridge

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Ex-members
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)

{Current Proposal}
Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.
Unofficial ally - Nanakaland

King Artanas nos Thranduil would like to join this alliance

King Artanas nos Thranduil would like to join this alliance

Crusading (ie participates in an official crusade) or Non-Crusading (for peaceful nations?).

OOC
Greek/Roman name. Interesting.

King Artanas nos Thranduil would like to join this alliance

Crusading (ie participates in an official crusade) or Non-Crusading (for peaceful nations?).

OOC
Greek/Roman name. Interesting.Crusading

UPDATE

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire
Emperor Anthony I of Belem
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
King Doran of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)
Queen Seria of Tordor
Princess Malissa Black of Roania
??? of Cherry Ridge
King Artanas nos Thranduil of Olympus Coliseum (New member)

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Ex-members
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)

{Current Proposal}

Possible action against Normack, but no Crusade yet.
Athel Nora has called for diplomatic pressure. We agree.
Unofficial ally - Nanakaland
<Cancelled for now> :P

DotF members in action against Aerion with Raysia and some other nations. *To stop persecution of Christians*


Edit - Corrected ruler change

<THERE WILL BE NO CRUSADES UNTIL THERE IS AGAIN A POPE! ANY NEW MEMBERS WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY A POPE!>

<THERE WILL BE NO CRUSADES UNTIL THERE IS AGAIN A POPE! ANY NEW MEMBERS WILL HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY A POPE!>

There is a pope. His name's John Paul II. :D

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/img/jp_ii.jpg

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Can I propose that this alliance act independently of any NS Pope, so that those Catholic countries, like Syskeyia, which want to recognise the real life Pope, can still participate fully in the alliance?

Can I propose that this alliance act independently of any NS Pope, so that those Catholic countries, like Syskeyia, which want to recognise the real life Pope, can still participate fully in the alliance?

That's fine by me. I didn't mind that NS Pope as it was our first RPed election of a Pope.

For alliance purposes, JP II is Pope but Leo XIV will be Pope if HVS runs another RP.

Can I propose that this alliance act independently of any NS Pope, so that those Catholic countries, like Syskeyia, which want to recognise the real life Pope, can still participate fully in the alliance?

That's fine by me. I didn't mind that NS Pope as it was our first RPed election of a Pope.

For alliance purposes, JP II is Pope but Leo XIV will be Pope if HVS runs another RP.

I'd prefer it if the alliance just referred to "the Pope" rather than specifically naming one, that way there doesn't have to be any incongruity between alliance members in their posts in this or any other thread. For threads run by HVS that would seem to be fairly impractical, obviously.

Can I propose that this alliance act independently of any NS Pope, so that those Catholic countries, like Syskeyia, which want to recognise the real life Pope, can still participate fully in the alliance?

That's fine by me. I didn't mind that NS Pope as it was our first RPed election of a Pope.

For alliance purposes, JP II is Pope but Leo XIV will be Pope if HVS runs another RP.

I'd prefer it if the alliance just referred to "the Pope" rather than specifically naming one, that way there doesn't have to be any incongruity between alliance members in their posts in this or any other thread. For threads run by HVS that would seem to be fairly impractical, obviously.

Considering there is no nation in NS with JP II RPing as Pope (to my knowledge) as Pope it would make sense and there are 100 million anti-Pope floating around. I'll leave JP II as Pope for the moment until I get other opinions for your proposal.

As for HVS, unlike other supposed Popes around he is commended for running such a great Vatican RP with his inside knowledge (from God knows where).

OOC

I encourage soccer-mad DotF members to join the World Cups so we can gloat if we win any World Cup!

UPDATE for the new forum!

Amended membership list and proposals

Crusading
Emperor Kienny of The Holy Latin Empire (puppet of Jeruselem)
Emperor Anthony I of Belem
High Emperor Mathias of Mathias Prime
Cardinal Gregory Aston of The Captain
Queen Victoria of the RCO
Emperor Tamazoid of Isochronous
Filavandel aep Hiand-Hral of Athel Nora
??? of Chaloner
King Doran of Territora
??? of Maronite phonecia (under special conditions)
Queen Seria of Tordor
Princess Malissa Black of Roania
Air Marshall DeVito Of Cherry Ridge
King Artanas nos Thranduil of Olympus Coliseum (New member)

Non-Crusading
Emperor Andreus I of Pantocratoria

Ex-members
Cardinal Secles of New Gondor (New-Gondor)

OOC

Have to cull ex-nations but later.

Who do we (The DoTF) recognize as the NS pope?

el tago

Who do we (The DoTF) recognize as the NS pope?

Holy Vatican See, who seems to the recognised by everyone as the NS Pope.

I do not recognize any NS antipopes. Not even HVS. I recognize Pope John Paul II. The UNIVERSAL pontiff.

How exactly do I join the alliance? My nation is Catholic and so is my region of Romagna...hence the papal states.

Black Umbrella, you telegram Jeruselem to join. Also what is your nations ruler.

-His Most Eminant Lordship Cardinal DeVito
Archbishop and ruler of Cherry Ridge

OOC: I think I may have a solution to the problem here.

How about we IC say the Roman Pontiff, then OOC say that it means either the RL Pope (JPII) or HVS.

JPII has a claim becuase, well, he's the RL pontiff, and HVS has a claim b/c of his excellent roleplay.

Of course, there will have some IC word-smithing so you can't just go recognize some newbie who claims to be the NS pope or anything, so...

Just a suggestion.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

whatever happened to HVS? did he ever come back to the forums? I know he was sick in august and was out of action for awhile but did he come back yet?