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*********TOP SECRET************OOC: basically no one would have no way to know im working on this. Im just posting this as a reference thread and for questions and such.

The Office of Unconventional Warfare has been given the green light on creating a supervirus to be used against both military and civilain possesions in an enemies territory. NOTE: this weapon can only be used in enemy territory do to its long life in the atmosphere and the difficulty of removing the virus from a location.
Also a vaccinne for this virus will actually be produced in contradiction to most of our weapons where a vaccine code is produced that is seperated into seperate components and only produced if neccesary in order to keep it secret.

The Virus will be biologically engineered from numerous other viruses.
The Virus will be relatively airborne to allow them to be deployed through aresol spray.

The Virus will be able to survive for atleast 4 weeks after its first use and can latch onto most inorganic objects and be spread through out an enemy zone. It is a possibility that it could piggy back a ride on plant pollen and possibly even animals if there cells do not degrade quickly.

The virus will be self replicating in the atmosphere with each subsequent generation becoming weaker and shorter lived.
The virus will be designed to target primarily the human genome but we can expect it to target most mammalian life.

It will enter a person system and at first will appear non malignent it will attach onto healthy cells and spread across the body in a unmalignent manner the harder for the immune system to detect the better. During this time it is possible the host to be able to transmit the disease to others.

After aproximately a week the virus will become highly malignent and will basically just destroy itself and the cell in the process. It will also lose the ability to reproduce during this time so it is important that the virus target key organs such as the heart, lungs and brain.

The project has been given a billion dollar budget and is expected to take 5-10 years to completetion.

This is what really give you a bad name belem. You only come up with things that kill and maim. What about "Belem begins efforts for world peace"?

OOC:Well if we ruled the world there would be world peace :wink:


IC:(left this out before)

The Vaccine will be created and distributed to soldiers before entering a containmenated zone(possibly the entire country if the virus is given a month or two to spread and the government can not contain movement.)
A verision of the vaccine which will be a foam spray will be used to decontam vechiles and hardware. The foam would basically be a suped up verision of anti bacterial and in this case anti viral(for this particular strain) soap. If sprayed on a person it would have no ill effects other then to kill viral and bacterial agents on the person and probably have his skin tingling for a week due to the strenght of the spray.

What species does it affect, humans? If so its pointless against my people. Also don't forget to give your agent a gun when he tries to cross the border with something more than clothes. Since that is all we allow when you cross our borders :D

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Praetor Namnoc
National Representative of the Dominion of Wohlstand
First Conclave of Wohlstand
"Justice, Freedom, Equality, and Honor"

OOC: well its being designed to target humans but as I mentioned above it will probably attempt to kill anything that is remotely alive.

We would like to take this time to remind Belem of our strong ties due to past confederated, that is, allied, action against mutual enemies in which the soldiery of Maraka gladly fought alongside their.... erm..... Belish(?) allies. :P

OOC: Not to mention only a few people are allowed into my nation, and only from selected countries, you not being one of them, Belem

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Praetor Namnoc
National Representative of the Dominion of Wohlstand
First Conclave of Wohlstand
"Justice, Freedom, Equality, and Honor"

Belem, you might be interested... me, Holy Latin Empire and Jerusalem were thinking of putting together a Catholic alliance.

I'm just trying to think of a name before I put the post up for Jerusalem. Thinking... Defenders of The Faith, or something.

OOC: Not to mention only a few people are allowed into my nation, and only from selected countries, you not being one of them, Belem

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Praetor Namnoc
National Representative of the Dominion of Wohlstand
First Conclave of Wohlstand
"Justice, Freedom, Equality, and Honor"

OOC: I wouldn't really want to walk this into a country this is the type of thing where they load into a plane or a missile and everyone who goes within 50 feet of it is in a hazmat suit and gets decontaimed.

We would like to take this time to remind Belem of our strong ties due to past confederated, that is, allied, action against mutual enemies in which the soldiery of Maraka gladly fought alongside their.... erm..... Belish(?) allies. :P


OOC: noted :D

Belem, you might be interested... me, Holy Latin Empire and Jerusalem were thinking of putting together a Catholic alliance.

I'm just trying to think of a name before I put the post up for Jerusalem. Thinking... Defenders of The Faith, or something.


OOC: im interested. can u tgram me the information for it and stuff? and Defenders of the Faith sounds good or it could be named after one of the holy orders that started in Jerusalem.

Besides, I am future tech, so its kinda ignorish

bumpers

The virus will be self replicating in the atmosphere with each subsequent generation becoming weaker and shorter lived.

A virus is not a bacteria; by it's very nature, it must infect a living cell in order to reproduce.

bio engineered. its being considered a virus in name its probably going to be part viral part bacterial

bio engineered. its being considered a virus in name its probably going to be part viral part bacterial

That doesn't make sense; a bacteria is a living organism that destroys and consumes, a virus is a non-living organism that hijacks a cell's reproductive mechanisms to make more of itself until the cell bursts.

The only way to do anything like you propose I can see would be to create both viral and bacterial weapons, likly with similar symptoms and the ilk, and package them together; it would make curing the plauge alot harder, I'd suspect; they might not even discover the second vector until after curing the first, and it would drasticly reduce the chances of anyone developing an immunity to it befor being killed.

well I dont want it to be easy to cure.

Well, what I sugested doing above is what we like to reffer to as a Dirty Trick(tm); it also has the benifit of not going down the Really Bad Science(tm) road by making it 'part viral part bacterial', by instead making both a virus and bacteria, and simply releasing them together.

interesting idea.

bumpers!

one last bump

Even a virus with an airborne vector still needs to have a host carrier for it to spread past the point of intial contact. And reproduction cannot occur with out a host either.
Just some things to consider.

*********TOP SECRET************OOC: basically no one would have no way to know im working on this. Im just posting this as a reference thread and for questions and such.

The Office of Unconventional Warfare has been given the green light on creating a supervirus to be used against both military and civilain possesions in an enemies territory. NOTE: this weapon can only be used in enemy territory do to its long life in the atmosphere and the difficulty of removing the virus from a location.
Also a vaccinne for this virus will actually be produced in contradiction to most of our weapons where a vaccine code is produced that is seperated into seperate components and only produced if neccesary in order to keep it secret.

The Virus will be biologically engineered from numerous other viruses.
The Virus will be relatively airborne to allow them to be deployed through aresol spray.

The Virus will be able to survive for atleast 4 weeks after its first use and can latch onto most inorganic objects and be spread through out an enemy zone. It is a possibility that it could piggy back a ride on plant pollen and possibly even animals if there cells do not degrade quickly.

The virus will be self replicating in the atmosphere with each subsequent generation becoming weaker and shorter lived.
The virus will be designed to target primarily the human genome but we can expect it to target most mammalian life.

It will enter a person system and at first will appear non malignent it will attach onto healthy cells and spread across the body in a unmalignent manner the harder for the immune system to detect the better. During this time it is possible the host to be able to transmit the disease to others.

After aproximately a week the virus will become highly malignent and will basically just destroy itself and the cell in the process. It will also lose the ability to reproduce during this time so it is important that the virus target key organs such as the heart, lungs and brain.

The project has been given a billion dollar budget and is expected to take 5-10 years to completetion.

OOC since you insist we can't IC find out about it: how the HECK can you reconcile such a SAtanic, diabolical, immoral, morally, evil, sinful, wretched and murderous act with your nominally Catholic faith?

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

Even a virus with an airborne vector still needs to have a host carrier for it to spread past the point of intial contact. And reproduction cannot occur with out a host either.
Just some things to consider.


Im thinking cross slicing the virus with a small bacteria and when ever the bacteria attempts to cell divide the virus hops over for the ride.

*********TOP SECRET************OOC: basically no one would have no way to know im working on this. Im just posting this as a reference thread and for questions and such.

The Office of Unconventional Warfare has been given the green light on creating a supervirus to be used against both military and civilain possesions in an enemies territory. NOTE: this weapon can only be used in enemy territory do to its long life in the atmosphere and the difficulty of removing the virus from a location.
Also a vaccinne for this virus will actually be produced in contradiction to most of our weapons where a vaccine code is produced that is seperated into seperate components and only produced if neccesary in order to keep it secret.

The Virus will be biologically engineered from numerous other viruses.
The Virus will be relatively airborne to allow them to be deployed through aresol spray.

The Virus will be able to survive for atleast 4 weeks after its first use and can latch onto most inorganic objects and be spread through out an enemy zone. It is a possibility that it could piggy back a ride on plant pollen and possibly even animals if there cells do not degrade quickly.

The virus will be self replicating in the atmosphere with each subsequent generation becoming weaker and shorter lived.
The virus will be designed to target primarily the human genome but we can expect it to target most mammalian life.

It will enter a person system and at first will appear non malignent it will attach onto healthy cells and spread across the body in a unmalignent manner the harder for the immune system to detect the better. During this time it is possible the host to be able to transmit the disease to others.

After aproximately a week the virus will become highly malignent and will basically just destroy itself and the cell in the process. It will also lose the ability to reproduce during this time so it is important that the virus target key organs such as the heart, lungs and brain.

The project has been given a billion dollar budget and is expected to take 5-10 years to completetion.

OOC since you insist we can't IC find out about it: how the HECK can you reconcile such a SAtanic, diabolical, immoral, morally, evil, sinful, wretched and murderous act with your nominally Catholic faith?

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

OOC: I never insisted you cant find out about it. If you can somehow come up with a way to figure this out that is well thought out and wouldnt involve massive amounts of error judgements on my parts(i.e. "your scientists left his computer on with the formula for the virus on share in the kazaa folder") you could possibily find out about it.

And I can reconcile it in the name of warfare where everything must be done to obtain victory. We would of course prefer to convert the heathen masses but if we have to eliminate 95% of a countries population in order to secure victory so be it.

*********TOP SECRET************OOC: basically no one would have no way to know im working on this. Im just posting this as a reference thread and for questions and such.

The Office of Unconventional Warfare has been given the green light on creating a supervirus to be used against both military and civilain possesions in an enemies territory. NOTE: this weapon can only be used in enemy territory do to its long life in the atmosphere and the difficulty of removing the virus from a location.
Also a vaccinne for this virus will actually be produced in contradiction to most of our weapons where a vaccine code is produced that is seperated into seperate components and only produced if neccesary in order to keep it secret.

The Virus will be biologically engineered from numerous other viruses.
The Virus will be relatively airborne to allow them to be deployed through aresol spray.

The Virus will be able to survive for atleast 4 weeks after its first use and can latch onto most inorganic objects and be spread through out an enemy zone. It is a possibility that it could piggy back a ride on plant pollen and possibly even animals if there cells do not degrade quickly.

The virus will be self replicating in the atmosphere with each subsequent generation becoming weaker and shorter lived.
The virus will be designed to target primarily the human genome but we can expect it to target most mammalian life.

It will enter a person system and at first will appear non malignent it will attach onto healthy cells and spread across the body in a unmalignent manner the harder for the immune system to detect the better. During this time it is possible the host to be able to transmit the disease to others.

After aproximately a week the virus will become highly malignent and will basically just destroy itself and the cell in the process. It will also lose the ability to reproduce during this time so it is important that the virus target key organs such as the heart, lungs and brain.

The project has been given a billion dollar budget and is expected to take 5-10 years to completetion.

Uh, maybe you need a virus refresher course.

A virus is an incredibly simple subcellular thing, its not proven whether its dead or alive. A virus comes in two forms, a common virus and a retrovirus.

A common virus like all viruses infect cells by latching onto them and injecting their genetic material into the cell. The genetic viral material then attaches itself to the existing strands and is reproduced every time the cell gos through mitosis or meiosis. The genetic code of the virus instructs the cell to produce new macromolecules. These pieces come together and make new viruses that fill up the cell until it lyses(breaks open.)
A retrovirus does the same but instead of DNA it has RNA which must be translated into DNA form for it to work, its slightly more complex as it uses the enzyme RNA transcriptase to do the translationg.

Viruses can not reproduce without cells, viruses always destroy cells as they reproduce, viruses can't really be short lived as we aren't quite sure if they are alive at all.

Just some info.

thats why its probably going to be a viral/bacteria mix.

OOC:Heres a sample attack that takes very pesstimistic views on the ability of the virus.

First we have to take how the virus kills it targets the lungs, the heart, the brain and the sexual reproduction organs(so it can be transmitted through sexual intercourse) after 4-7 days of being dormant the virus will start destroying cells at an extrememly fast rate in order to punch holes in the persons lungs, heart and brain. The person will probably die of massive internal bleeding or drown as blood fills their lungs. Even if they survive they will most likely be impotent or suffer from loss of brain function.

Two gallons of the Virus are smuggled into a movie thearte by Belem agents they are timed to go release in an hour the Belem agents leave.

Lets assume the thearte can hold 500 people and further assumme only 400 people per showing and only 300 get infected at each showing.
Now a typical Thearte has 4-6 showings a day. The virus even after peforming airborne reproduction can only last about 7 weeks in the atmosphere. Lets be even more generous and say by the end of the fifth week they find the source of the virus and quarantine the area.

140 showings in those 5 weeks of operating time with on average 300 people being infected at everyshowing comes out to 42,000 infections. Considering theres a chance the theartes food supply could also get infected this number has the possibility of being much much higher.

Say the first batch of infected people each infect ten each. the numberjumps to 420,0000 new cases.
Lets say each subsequent jump of the virus weakens it(even though the true virus wont be weakened by body jumps.) and say those new cases only effect 5 people each. That number becomes 2.1 million cases of the virus.
Now by this time the first infectees will be dropping dead from massive cell destruction in primarily there 1. lungs(so they can transmit the disease easilly) 2. Heart 3. Brain 4. Sexual Organs(so it can be transmited through intercourse.) The medical establishment has no way to figure out what the virus or where it could possibly come from.
say those 2.1 million new infectees each infect two people 4.2 million new cases will appear.
Lets say the virus stops spreading there due to an effective government response with a massive quarantine and the ability to be able to detect the virus in a persons blood stream.
Total Cases: 6,762,000 million cases.
Even if only half the people die(unlikely the virus is being designed to have a 75%-9% fatality rate) A city of ten million would lose nearly 30% of its people and have another 30% deathly ill.

That theory takes a poor view of the abilities of the weapon and the general lack of travel between neighboring cities. There is a much greater chance that the city itself will be nearly completely wiped out by the virus or by government troops in a last ditch effort of containment. Where most likely the soldiers will be infected themselves upon removing their hazmat suits since only the most powerful decontam has a chance to remove the virus.

The Virus will probably spread to neighboring cities. Where the infection rate will start to grow and bounce around. After 4-7 days thousands of people in the first infection zone will begin to die of a mysterious disease. within 2 weeks that number will jump to over a million or near a millon.

By this time neighboring countries and countries where infected people flew to will have small outbreaks which with quick government action could be contained.

After a month the host country will most likely have millions of casualities and all sense of order in any heavily populated area will be gone. Rural areas will most likely be less affected.

Military and Healthcare officials will be suffering from massive losses and be totally overwhelmed. Rebellions and riots will most likely start by people who think they are infected demanding a cure.

Refugees will try to flee across land borders into neighboring countries who will either be 1) suffering from outbreaks of the plague themselves do to the initial transit 2) will be so deathly afraid of it they will have troops killing everyone who attempts to cross the border.

All trade and travel with the infected nation will be halted with ship crews most likely too afraid to dock in their ports and aircraft leaving the country will most likely be shot down before getting near another nation.

After 2 months of constant plague the nation will most likely lose upwards of 50-90% of its population depending on urbanization. The military will be near non existent with remaining units most likely under the command of local "warlords" with the central command structure destroyed. By this time Belem will declare the nations government defunct, uncivilized and incapable of handling its internal problems and Belem shock troopers will be deployed to take over. Or we could possibly leave the nation as is in a state of constant internal rife and fear of reemergence of the plague.

Theoritically if a massive quantity was released in a major airport it could lead to the near extinction of all life on the planet.

OOC: well its being designed to target humans but as I mentioned above it will probably attempt to kill anything that is remotely alive.

So it's sentinent?

no. it just isnt picky. it will try to infect anything that is alive.

Take a biology course.

took a biology course got a B.



oh final specs and corrections for the virus is coming tonight or tommorow night once I figure out some stuff.