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Mosiah 3:19:

For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.

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As the church continues to grow in power in the Raysian Government, more and more laws have been enacted, leaning towards making it practically illegal to be a "Natural Man." This somes as a shock to some citizens, while many others embrace it and support it whole-heartedly.

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Odd, I didn't know Raysia was a Mormon country.

The Eternal Holy Star Empire of Istar could care less about the foolishness of the Christian Bible as it is rejected by the Holy Church of the Gods of the Light as heresy (though we do tolerate the small Christian populations in Taol, that will soon change).


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The Eternal Holy Star Empire of Istar

"Submit to thy father?"

Zephyr's tone turned dark.

"My father left me to die...I don't praise anyone who does not earn it. Frankly, a child's fairy tail...this God...does not meet the requirements."

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OH MY GOD! THOSE MORMONS ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! LORD BE PRAISED! IT'S A MIRACLE!

Now, if they would turn from the heresies of the book of Mormon, and return to the true faith, then we might actually upgrade relations from "Destroy at first chance" to "Neutral"

~Council of Roania

we can only watch as your people's rights are taken away by a storybook. we will not get invoived.

-Skesman from FORO(freedom of religion orginazation)

OH MY GOD! THOSE MORMONS ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! LORD BE PRAISED! IT'S A MIRACLE!

Now, if they would turn from the heresies of the book of Mormon, and return to the true faith, then we might actually upgrade relations from "Destroy at first chance" to "Neutral"

~Council of RoaniaHeresy? We are no more heretic than any other religion. We can not possibly be considered heretics off your religion, as our church was established far before yours. We are the truely restored Church of Christ. If loving the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul is heresy, then *hang us up on the Cross with him.

*(Please don't :mrgreen: )

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we can only watch as your people's rights are taken away by a storybook. we will not get invoived.

-Spokesman from FORO(freedom of religion orginazation)Sounds more like you should be from the FFRO... Fredom FROM religion org. You can claim to have as much "freedom" as you want, but don't go taking away our right to civilization as we see fit. No one is kept in Raysia by force (except international criminals), they all immigrated or live here under our rule by choice.

"I am a little shocked at this and it's implications in the bigger picture."

Richard Branson
CEO of Virgin

OH MY GOD! THOSE MORMONS ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! LORD BE PRAISED! IT'S A MIRACLE!

Now, if they would turn from the heresies of the book of Mormon, and return to the true faith, then we might actually upgrade relations from "Destroy at first chance" to "Neutral"

~Council of RoaniaHeresy? We are no more heretic than any other religion. We can not possibly be considered heretics off your religion, as our church was established far before yours. We are the truely restored Church of Christ. If loving the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul is heresy, then *hang us up on the Cross with him.

*(Please don't :mrgreen: )


What about Hindu people who came faaaar before Christianity? Christians call them heretics..

"I am a little shocked at this and it's implications in the bigger picture."

Richard Branson
CEO of VirginHowso?

OH MY GOD! THOSE MORMONS ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! LORD BE PRAISED! IT'S A MIRACLE!

Now, if they would turn from the heresies of the book of Mormon, and return to the true faith, then we might actually upgrade relations from "Destroy at first chance" to "Neutral"

~Council of RoaniaHeresy? We are no more heretic than any other religion. We can not possibly be considered heretics off your religion, as our church was established far before yours. We are the truely restored Church of Christ. If loving the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul is heresy, then *hang us up on the Cross with him.

*(Please don't :mrgreen: )


What about Hindu people who came faaaar before Christianity? Christians call them heretics..OOC: Heresy usually means christians that are making up their own teachings, different from what the church teaches.

And yeah, we were around before Hinduism, we've been around since the beginning of time, we just have had little Hiatus periods.

"Well, such fanatical behaviour could spill over borders and cause violence."

OH MY GOD! THOSE MORMONS ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! LORD BE PRAISED! IT'S A MIRACLE!

Now, if they would turn from the heresies of the book of Mormon, and return to the true faith, then we might actually upgrade relations from "Destroy at first chance" to "Neutral"

~Council of RoaniaHeresy? We are no more heretic than any other religion. We can not possibly be considered heretics off your religion, as our church was established far before yours. We are the truely restored Church of Christ. If loving the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul is heresy, then *hang us up on the Cross with him.

*(Please don't :mrgreen: )

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OOC: Roania is a Roman Catholic nation.

Are you saying that AD1760, happened before AD1100?

"Well, such fanatical behaviour could spill over borders and cause violence."Howso? We have not interested in spreading our attempt at Zion and a united order past our borders. You have nothing to fear, for we respect other nations' ways of ruling... well most at least.

Repent!!Uh...


No.

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OOC: Roania is a Roman Catholic nation.

Are you saying that AD1760, happened before AD1100?The Church was restored in the mid XIX century, but as that implies, it is the restored version of the Church that Christ set in place when he came to this Earth, and the one that we believe died with the original 12 apsotles. THAT church was founded on Judaism, which was founded on the original faith that the prophets of old believed in. This is the same church that was in place in ancient America around the time of Christ.

So technically, we've been in place sense Adam ;)

Call us heretics if you want, we don't care, i'm sure we fit some definition of that.

We have no problems with freedom of religion, as you can tell from our ratings on our Civil and Political liberties, but I do not think we can recognize the government of Raysia if it should ever become a full-on theocracy.

I propose that we threaten to remove diplomatic recognition of Raysia if its theocratic, authoritarian leanings become very much more pronounced.

Perhaps, in preparation for such an event, we should form a coalition of nations willing to remove recognition of Raysia, as a deterrent?

So technically, we've been in place sense Adam ;)Adam was the first member of your church?

*invisions it*
I am Adam. Made in the image of God and the first human. I am master of the Earth.

I am a Religion of One.

We have no problems with freedom of religion, as you can tell from our ratings on our Civil and Political liberties, but I do not think we can recognize the government of Raysia if it should ever become a full-on theocracy.

I propose that we threaten to remove diplomatic recognition of Raysia if its theocratic, authoritarian leanings become very much more pronounced.

Perhaps, in preparation for such an event, we should form a coalition of nations willing to remove recognition of Raysia, as a deterrent?We have always been theocratic, but we have always respected our citizens' rights to free will as well. We are simply passing a few laws that should have been passed a long time ago. Its not like there's a big opposition, like I said, most people in Raysia approve the new laws. Hardly anyone here wants to be Natural.

OH MY GOD! THOSE MORMONS ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! LORD BE PRAISED! IT'S A MIRACLE!

Now, if they would turn from the heresies of the book of Mormon, and return to the true faith, then we might actually upgrade relations from "Destroy at first chance" to "Neutral"

~Council of RoaniaHeresy? We are no more heretic than any other religion. We can not possibly be considered heretics off your religion, as our church was established far before yours. We are the truely restored Church of Christ. If loving the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul is heresy, then *hang us up on the Cross with him.

*(Please don't :mrgreen: )

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It will bring us great pleasure, heretical scum... now where's that cross?

So technically, we've been in place sense Adam ;)Adam was the first member of your church?

*invisions it*
I am Adam. Made in the image of God and the first human. I am master of the Earth.

I am a Religion of One.Umm, no, more like "I am Adam, the first man to set foot on this Earth. I am Michael who led the assault on Satan in the war in Heaven, and fought for the right to live a life of choice and progression and trial instead of a life of predestination and slavery. I am the one who will be the first to fall into Mortality, and I will be the first to have free agency in mortality. I am the ancestor of all, that all might be, that all might have joy. I will try my hardest, after the fall, to someday return to my Heavenly Father, and become as he is. Perfect."

He'd probably say something like that.

OH MY GOD! THOSE MORMONS ACTUALLY MADE THE RIGHT DECISION! LORD BE PRAISED! IT'S A MIRACLE!

Now, if they would turn from the heresies of the book of Mormon, and return to the true faith, then we might actually upgrade relations from "Destroy at first chance" to "Neutral"

~Council of RoaniaHeresy? We are no more heretic than any other religion. We can not possibly be considered heretics off your religion, as our church was established far before yours. We are the truely restored Church of Christ. If loving the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul is heresy, then *hang us up on the Cross with him.

*(Please don't :mrgreen: )

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It will bring us great pleasure, heretical scum... now where's that cross?Haha... funny. I have little doubt that had you been there when Jesus was on the Earth, you would probably be helping him up onto that Cross.

We have always been theocratic, but we have always respected our citizens' rights to free will as well. We are simply passing a few laws that should have been passed a long time ago. Its not like there's a big opposition, like I said, most people in Raysia approve the new laws. Hardly anyone here wants to be Natural.

Well... i still think that the minority who do not follow the same religion as the majority should have that right, and these laws are a trespass on that freedom... if someone wants to be "natural" then they should be free to.

Hell, if someone wants to worship the rosebush in their back yard, they should have that freedom. It is not the place of the government to have any influence on a person's personal choice of religion.

We have always been theocratic, but we have always respected our citizens' rights to free will as well. We are simply passing a few laws that should have been passed a long time ago. Its not like there's a big opposition, like I said, most people in Raysia approve the new laws. Hardly anyone here wants to be Natural.

Well... i still think that the minority who do not follow the same religion as the majority should have that right, and these laws are a trespass on that freedom... if someone wants to be "natural" then they should be free to.

Hell, if someone wants to worship the rosebush in their back yard, they should have that freedom. It is not the place of the government to have any influence on a person's personal choice of religion.That minority is unwelcome in Raysia, we can do without there kind. We won't kill them or anything, just kindly ask them to leave. That minority is less than .5% in Raysia.

And we still have freedom OF religion, just not freedom FROM religion. You can worship whoever you want, but if you refuse to grow, and refuse to be better than your DNA, then you are unwelcome.

That minority is unwelcome in Raysia, we can do without there kind. We won't kill them or anything, just kindly ask them to leave. That minority is less than .5% in Raysia.

I am sorry, but New Llamaslovakia strongly disagrees with this position... still, we suppose it is your prerogative.

And we still have freedom OF religion, just not freedom FROM religion. You can worship whoever you want, but if you refuse to grow, and refuse to be better than your DNA, then you are unwelcome.

Here you say in Raysia one is free to worship whoever they want, when in the same post you say they are not welcome in your country... which one is it? I just would like clarification.

OOC: im leaving, so i'll just say lets agree to disagree. I still will remove recognition of Raysia in the event the government becomes a full theocracy.

Some thoughts on religion, as quoted from various popular bands in Haaregradia:


People die over religion
Look at Northern Ireland
Kids are brought up on hatred
If that's religion I dont want it

F**k religion, full of shit

Jimmy Baker on tv
A lying f**k but people believe
Caught in a hotel with his trousers down
Saving souls for his fee

F**k religion, full of shit

Religion ain't worth dying for
Who can prove god was a man
Can you prove that god was man



YOUR BIBLE IS NOTHING MORE THAN FICTION
PRIESTS ARE PRACTICING CRUCIFIXION
THERE'S SOMETHING I WILL SAY TO YOU
THOSE F**KING STORIES ARE STILL NOT TRUE
THEY BRAINWASH YOU AND TAKE YOUR MONEY WITH STORIES
OF THE CHRIST ALMIGHTY
YOU USE THE BIBLE TO "CLEANSE YOURSELF"
YOU CAN GO AND F**K YOURSELF

RELIGION IS A SCAM
YOUR MONEY'S IN THEIR HANDS
THEIR LIES ARE NOTHING NEW
DON'T LET THEM BRAINWASH YOU

PREACHING PRIESTS ARE FULL OF SHIT
SOME ARE ALCOHOLICS, SOME MOLEST KIDS
TAKE CASH DONATIONS IN THE NAME OF GOD
WHAT A F**KING BRILLIANT FRAUD

A PREGNANT NUN CLENCHES HER FIST
SAYS 10 HAIL MARY'S AS SHE CUTS HER WRIST
SHE TAKES TWO LIVES TO FIX ONE SIN
BECAUSE SHE WAS BRAINWASHED BY RELIGION


One should note how Haaregradian society is becoming increasingly hostile towards religion.

Heresy? We are no more heretic than any other religion. We can not possibly be considered heretics off your religion, as our church was established far before yours. We are the truely restored Church of Christ. If loving the Lord your God with all your heart mind and soul is heresy, then *hang us up on the Cross with him.

*(Please don't :mrgreen: )



OOC: Roania is a Roman Catholic nation.

Are you saying that AD1760, happened before AD1100?

-_- Oh, please. Get a life, you two. First off, the Mormons are a denomination of Christianity that is fairly new, with only a century and a half under their belts (AD 1829). The Catholic church has been around since the beginning of AD (that's two millennia folks). They are the original church. Second, heretics are any who teach against the main church. That makes near every religion heretic, including pagans and christian denominations. Third, Christianity cannot even be considered to have been around around since the beginning of time since their main belief is salvation through Christ. Technically, the Hebrews came first and before them was a scattering of believers. Even your bibles say that. Of course, from the athiest point of view, which cares none for yours, the so-called pagans were firsts. Last time I checked, the cavemen didn't believe in one god.

Truly, if you guys are as accommidating as you say, you wouldn't be having this arguement. It's silly, pointless, and neither one of you is going to convert each other. Let it be. The only reason I said anything at all was because you were turning this into a holy war of misplaced facts.

OOC: If you have a problem with me, check the net first. Look under your own religion's sites and repuzzle out what it means to believe. Quit acting like blind children and get over yourselves. You're all Christians for heaven's sake!

That minority is unwelcome in Raysia, we can do without there kind. We won't kill them or anything, just kindly ask them to leave. That minority is less than .5% in Raysia.

I am sorry, but New Llamaslovakia strongly disagrees with this position... still, we suppose it is your prerogative.

And we still have freedom OF religion, just not freedom FROM religion. You can worship whoever you want, but if you refuse to grow, and refuse to be better than your DNA, then you are unwelcome.

Here you say in Raysia one is free to worship whoever they want, when in the same post you say they are not welcome in your country... which one is it? I just would like clarification.

OOC: im leaving, so i'll just say lets agree to disagree. I still will remove recognition of Raysia in the event the government becomes a full theocracy.What do you mean by a full theocracy? And when i said they are free to worship as they want, i mean practice being good people. Obviously, counterproductive religions would be.. well counterproductive.

SH- You are speaking of Catholics, not all religion :)

Nishi- I'm sorry you see things that way. Obviously, there is nothing I can do to change your view.

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So technically, we've been in place sense Adam ;)

No. You haven't. There was no church. There was no religion. Being Adam and looking upon the face of God wouldn't be considered believing when you know because the being is right in front of you. Religion is believing in something because your proof ISN'T in front of you.

Adam was the first member of your church?

*invisions it*
I am Adam. Made in the image of God and the first human. I am master of the Earth.

I am a Religion of One.

OOC: lol. ^^ Sounds like the Army motto.

Umm, no, more like "I am Adam, the first man to set foot on this Earth. I am Michael who led the assault on Satan in the war in Heaven, and fought for the right to live a life of choice and progression and trial instead of a life of predestination and slavery. I am the one who will be the first to fall into Mortality, and I will be the first to have free agency in mortality. I am the ancestor of all, that all might be, that all might have joy. I will try my hardest, after the fall, to someday return to my Heavenly Father, and become as he is. Perfect."

He'd probably say something like that.

I doubt it, dear. Adam was immortal orginally so that couldn't have possibly been his first thought. His punishment for eating of the forbidden fruit was mortality. Besides, no one's perfect. Not unless you ARE God. Thousands of years of history have shown us that. I don't even know WHERE you got the bit about Micheal fighting Satan for the right of a life of choice, pregression, and trial. That seemed to be plucked straight out of thin air. Heavens! Make up your mind! You're bouncing around the facts with flowery words that don't really show you know anything substantial.

So technically, we've been in place sense Adam ;)

No. You haven't. There was no church.Says you.

Adam was the first member of your church?

*invisions it*
I am Adam. Made in the image of God and the first human. I am master of the Earth.

I am a Religion of One.

OOC: lol. ^^ Sounds like the Army motto.

Umm, no, more like "I am Adam, the first man to set foot on this Earth. I am Michael who led the assault on Satan in the war in Heaven, and fought for the right to live a life of choice and progression and trial instead of a life of predestination and slavery. I am the one who will be the first to fall into Mortality, and I will be the first to have free agency in mortality. I am the ancestor of all, that all might be, that all might have joy. I will try my hardest, after the fall, to someday return to my Heavenly Father, and become as he is. Perfect."

He'd probably say something like that.

I doubt it, dear. Adam was immortal orginally so that couldn't have possibly been his first thought. His punishment for eating of the forbidden fruit was mortality. Besides, no one's perfect. Not unless you ARE God. Thousands of years of history have shown us that. I don't even know WHERE you got the bit about Micheal fighting Satan for the right of a life of choice, pregression, and trial. That seemed to be plucked straight out of thin air. Heavens! Make up your mind! You're bouncing around the facts with flowery words that don't really show you know anything substantial.Says you.

You are arguing your beliefs against mine. We believe in a totally different world than the rest of Christianity.

SH- You are speaking of Catholics, not all religion :)

Nishi- I'm sorry you see things that way. Obviously, there is nothing I can do to change your view.

Obviously. Of course, that's the beauty of politics: If you had the slightest chance of changing my mind, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And unfortunately, the LDS church is a far removed denomination of Catholics. Their history is your history too.

And your views on free religion are twisted. If you want to claim to be truly religiously free, you wouldn't say that stripping away the rights of your non-Mormon people is letting them be free. Kicking them out isn't either. That's repression. Declaring one religion right and making all the people of your nation live by that religion's rules isn't freedom at all.

SH- You are speaking of Catholics, not all religion :)

Nishi- I'm sorry you see things that way. Obviously, there is nothing I can do to change your view.

Obviously. Of course, that's the beauty of politics: If you had the slightest chance of changing my mind, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

And unfortunately, the LDS church is a far removed denomination of Catholics. Their history is your history too.

And your views on free religion are twisted. If you want to claim to be truly religiously free, you wouldn't say that stripping away the rights of your non-Mormon people is letting them be free. Kicking them out isn't either. That's repression. Declaring one religion right and making all the people of your nation live by that religion's rules isn't freedom at all.Raysia is not a land of the free, it is a land of the Righteous. All who live here, live here by choice, not by circumstance. You do not have the right to be whatever you want, you have the right to be better than your DNA.

And as for us having the same history as the Catholic church.... umm... not really... maybe up to the point where the catholic church was founded, but we certainly weren't founded as a spin off. Joseph Smith asked which of all the demoninations was correct, because they all taught differently and had some things others didn't. So he, in his unbridled faith, received the answer.

No. You haven't. There was no church.
Says you.

You are arguing your beliefs against mine. We believe in a totally different world than the rest of Christianity.

Of course says me. So says most of the world. Personally, I was arguing what I've READ in the bible against you; what I've READ from the book of Mormon against you; and what I've READ of the world religions against you. And just because I argue against you doesn't mean I don't know anything on the matter. I am a fully baptized Mormon who no longer recognizes the church as mine because I found enough evidences of the Mormon Church doctoring information in history books--their own mind you--to seal my disbelief. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Mormons, in fact I have several friends who are. But you are doing a poor job of representing your religion as well as your intellect. Your arguements frequently contradict each other and are thin, weak, and full of holes.

No. You haven't. There was no church.
Says you.

You are arguing your beliefs against mine. We believe in a totally different world than the rest of Christianity.

Of course says me. So says most of the world. Personally, I was arguing what I've READ in the bible against you; what I've READ from the book of Mormon against you; and what I've READ of the world religions against you. And just because I argue against you doesn't mean I don't know anything on the matter. I am a fully baptized Mormon who no longer recognizes the church as mine because I found enough evidences of the Mormon Church doctoring information in history books--their own mind you--to seal my disbelief. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Mormons, in fact I have several friends who are. But you are doing a poor job of representing your religion as well as your intellect. Your arguements frequently contradict each other and are thin, weak, and full of holes.Just because you have lost your faith gives you no right to attempt to tear down others' faith with yours.

EDIT: Correction, you do have that right. But it doesn't mean you will succeed.

Stupid religeous weirdos.

Malan Dunpraz
Chancellor of the Malaxian Democratic Republic
Upholder of Sensible Ideas
Defender of No Faith
"What am I? What are you?

If you can all stop arguing, Raysia, I have done as you suggested... and am about to put some mormons on the 'cross'.

Now, seriously, everyone, lay off of him. Personally, I don't mind mormonism.

However, ICly, I have made it my goal to stomp it from the Earth.

No-one has the right to insult other people's religion oocly. Want to do that, go to the general forum.

Just so you know, I admire your nations strength of faith. Don't ruin it by ruining them or by pushing those beliefs on other nations. If you want to spread the word of your people, do it within your boundaries or among allies. You said earlier that you weren't going to start a war on the matter. Follow up and be content that your people believe you even if many others would not. I'm humbly bowing out of this arguement because I'm going to follow my own advice. I only wanted to you to know that you need to strengthen your arguement a bit with resolute facts that have proof if you're going to spread your views beyond your boundaries. I got carried away myself, and I apologize.

Now I'm going to wish you a very good night and take my tired, pregnant self off to bed. ^^

IC'ly you said you wanted to stomp them from your nation, not the earth...

IC'ly you said you wanted to stomp them from your nation, not the earth...

Have to start somewhere.

Just so you know, I admire your nations strength of faith. Don't ruin it by ruining them or by pushing those beliefs on other nations. If you want to spread the word of your people, do it within your boundaries or among allies. You said earlier that you weren't going to start a war on the matter. Follow up and be content that your people believe you even if many others would not. I'm humbly bowing out of this arguement because I'm going to follow my own advice. I only wanted to you to know that you need to strengthen your arguement a bit with resolute facts that have proof if you're going to spread your views beyond your boundaries. I got carried away myself, and I apologize.

Now I'm going to wish you a very good night and take my tired, pregnant self off to bed. ^^??? I am not taking this beyond my borders, sheesh.

OOC: Heresy usually means christians that are making up their own teachings, different from what the church teaches.

And yeah, we were around before Hinduism, we've been around since the beginning of time, we just have had little Hiatus periods.

Err...Christians weren't around before the birth of Christ...That was Jews.

OOC: Heresy usually means christians that are making up their own teachings, different from what the church teaches.

And yeah, we were around before Hinduism, we've been around since the beginning of time, we just have had little Hiatus periods.

Err...Christians weren't around before the birth of Christ...That was Jews.Depends on your definition of "Christianity" I guess.

OOC: Heresy usually means christians that are making up their own teachings, different from what the church teaches.

And yeah, we were around before Hinduism, we've been around since the beginning of time, we just have had little Hiatus periods.

Err...Christians weren't around before the birth of Christ...That was Jews.Depends on your definition of "Christianity" I guess.

One would generally define it as belief in the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, which would be a little difficult before he existed.

OOC: Heresy usually means christians that are making up their own teachings, different from what the church teaches.

And yeah, we were around before Hinduism, we've been around since the beginning of time, we just have had little Hiatus periods.

Err...Christians weren't around before the birth of Christ...That was Jews.Depends on your definition of "Christianity" I guess.

One would generally define it as belief in the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, which would be a little difficult before he existed.and you don't think that those who believed that Christ would some day come to do such would be "Christians"?

OOC: Heresy usually means christians that are making up their own teachings, different from what the church teaches.

And yeah, we were around before Hinduism, we've been around since the beginning of time, we just have had little Hiatus periods.

Err...Christians weren't around before the birth of Christ...That was Jews.Depends on your definition of "Christianity" I guess.

One would generally define it as belief in the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, which would be a little difficult before he existed.and you don't think that those who believed that Christ would some day come to do such would be "Christians"?

No, they were called Jews, and still are.

OOC: Heresy usually means christians that are making up their own teachings, different from what the church teaches.

And yeah, we were around before Hinduism, we've been around since the beginning of time, we just have had little Hiatus periods.

Err...Christians weren't around before the birth of Christ...That was Jews.Depends on your definition of "Christianity" I guess.

One would generally define it as belief in the sacrifice of Christ for our sins, which would be a little difficult before he existed.and you don't think that those who believed that Christ would some day come to do such would be "Christians"?

No, they were called Jews, and still are.Then I guess you gave me another reason why I shouldn't call myself a "Christian," because I am a jew as well... of the House of Ephraim.

Onca again, the man whose faith was disproved by South Park is speaking out...

Presidnet Oliver

Onca again, the man whose faith was disproved by South Park is speaking out...

Presidnet Oliverlol If you actually take anything on South Park seriously, I pity you.

OOC: Actually, SOuth Park makes really valid points and covers some pretty big issues. If you read into it, its actually just one huge political commentary. Of course...no, I'm not gonna say it. By the way, I believe Raysia owes Imitora sometign in the double digit trillions.

Then I guess you gave me another reason why I shouldn't call myself a "Christian," because I am a jew as well... of the House of Ephraim.

You are only a jew if you can get other Jews to say you are.

Quite frankly, I'd sooner call a Hindu a Jew then someone who believes Jesus existed.

OOC: Actually, SOuth Park makes really valid points and covers some pretty big issues. If you read into it, its actually just one huge political commentary. Of course...no, I'm not gonna say it. By the way, I believe Raysia owes Imitora sometign in the double digit trillions.What? How do we owe you anything?

Oh, and the story SP told about Martin Harris was half made up and twisted for use against us.

We've been producing 30mm rounds for your aircraft guns. Jesuits never forget ;-)

We've been producing 30mm rounds for your aircraft guns. Jesuits never forget ;-)We've been feeding you that money continuously, there should be no debt.

SH- You are speaking of Catholics, not all religion :)


OOC: Technically those bands are talking about Christianity in general... also Christianity is the only religion in the Western world with enough influence to make bands write about it's bad effects.

SH- You are speaking of Catholics, not all religion :)


OOC: Technically those bands are talking about Christianity in general... also Christianity is the only religion in the Western world with enough influence to make bands write about it's bad effects.Mormonism does not really fall into anything you talked about. Name one song lyric that could possibly imply Mormonism.

ooc: And once again, we see Raysia trying to kick up stuff over issues he barely has a grasp on. Just an fyi - Mormon or not, he's not the end-all beat-all authority, and I've seen several pretty screwed up ideas come out of this kid's head and get taken for doctrine.

Do the rest of us a favor and don't judge us all by this one, eh? *listens to the gasps of shock and dismay as folks realize Nathi's player just might be Mormon, even if a damn poor example herself*

Bottom line, Raysia? As much fun as you seem to have stirring the pot and all, personally, I really take issue with some of the trouble you've pursued with other folks on the forums, badgering other Christians and their beliefs, screwing ours up, misrepresenting, and frankly, giving a bunch of the rest of us a bad rap.

Have fun if you must, but at least put a bit more effort into getting some things straight, or at least, try not to come across as such a pompous lil git or something, eh? Bene grazie.

This being said, I've been up for 32 hours straight with a whopping great headache, and quite possibly could be lacking some tact, for which I apologize. Still, this has been bugging me for a while, so here ya go. Off chest, feel better, bleah.

--Nathi's Player.
Arrogant, sarcastic, ornery old fart. Condescending? Well ...
"It isn't being condescending when you're simply better than them."
(sigline all delivered tongue firmly in cheek)

Yeah, sometimes I get a little bad at debating at 2 am :P I might have slipped somewhere and come off all wrong, and I apologize.

ooc: And once again, we see Raysia trying to kick up stuff over issues he barely has a grasp on. Just an fyi - Mormon or not, he's not the end-all beat-all authority, and I've seen several pretty screwed up ideas come out of this kid's head and get taken for doctrine.

Do the rest of us a favor and don't judge us all by this one, eh? *listens to the gasps of shock and dismay as folks realize Nathi's player just might be Mormon, even if a damn poor example herself*

Bottom line, Raysia? As much fun as you seem to have stirring the pot and all, personally, I really take issue with some of the trouble you've pursued with other folks on the forums, badgering other Christians and their beliefs, screwing ours up, misrepresenting, and frankly, giving a bunch of the rest of us a bad rap.

Have fun if you must, but at least put a bit more effort into getting some things straight, or at least, try not to come across as such a pompous lil git or something, eh? Bene grazie.


I'm forced to concur. Raysia, although I understand why you are doing this, I would advise against bringing the LDS religion into NS. People will take your statements to be the official position and stance of the Church; this will just cause more confusion.

ooc: From now on I'll try to be a little more humble and quit arguing. Reviewing my posts, yeah it does make us seem a little pompous. Thanks Nathi and Eredon.

Oh, and yeah, I am just doing this cuz I'm bored of being peaceful ;) What my nation does does not really imply what the real church would do :P

Perhaps I should just ditch this theocracy stuff?

HERESY!

~Random Church Offical~

HERESY!

~Random Church Offical~OK, yeah, shut up.

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I think I'll just ditch this Theocracy stuff, it'd probably make it more fun anyway. It'll still be mostly Mormon, but it won't necessarily have a church-ruling government.

ooc: Nothing wrong with theocracies, it's the way you've been going about it s' all. Your approach and such well ... leaves much to be desired.

For example - this compulsory Mormon state. You see anything inherently wrong here? Lets think way, way back to primary and the talk of Big Plans and what not that were put forward in The Beginning. Now, who's plan was it to -force- everyone to do the 'right' thing, and disregard free agencey, hmm? Could it be ....


http://home.mchsi.com/~ketri/wsb/links/church.bmp

Satan?!?

Clarity achieved? *grins*

So yeah, run with it, if you can do it justice. Try running it based on principles with a govt that 'encourages' rather than 'forces' folks to do what they think is 'right' and all. I dunno ... s' just a thought.

And I'm still tired and cranky. :P

--Nathi's Player

actually, you make perfect sense.

Dagnabbit, that's been in the back of my head the whole time, how come no one ever brought this up? :P

OK, we are no longer so restricting... we're not uber-liberal, but we're going to give people a good deal of free agency.