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Respected Members of the International Community;

I come forward to you all in the spirit of fraternity, equality and friendship; however, I bring to you a message of unmitigated rage. The last few months have been times of extreme unrest; unreasonable tbreats of war, mass armament and a climate of extreme distrust. There are many we could blame for this turmoil: the continuing strife between CACE and SATO is certainly an example.

However, there is one nation in particular that seems to have found itself in the heart of nearly every such dispute: a rogue nation, now despised by those he once called friends. In the interests of solidarity, mulitlateralism and general peace, we, among others, reached out to this nation, hoping to redirect it towards a more reasonable course, only to be rebuffed. I speak, of course, of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn.

It is time for each of us to take a reckoning: what value do we place on our sovereignity, our diginity, and our peace? How long shall we ignore this nation of raging tempers and uncivilized threat, never knowing if, this time, it is we who shall feel his wrath?

I for one feel the time is now; the international community as a whole must stand up and say, together, with a voice so strong it will shake this tyrant to the core:

Enough!

Far be it from me to lead us into war; my intentions here are not to further bloodshed unless we deem it of utmost importance. I suggest a tripartite plan:

1) Economic Sanctions: beginning immediately, all nations shall sever all economic ties. While EOTED trades primarily with Menelmacar, this will serve as a strong symbolic statement. I also urge Menelmacar and her wise, benevolent leaders to recognize EOTED as the despot and danger that it certainly is.

2) International Solidarity: from this point forward, no action of EOTED shall go uncontested. I pledge myself, and all who share my sentiments, to aid in the defense of any nation facing the brunt of EOTED aggression.

3) Complete Diplomatic Santions: I urge all nations with diplomatic ties, strong or otherwise, to this nation to sever them immediately. We all have seen what regard this administration has for such things; examine the unpleasantness with ToY for a particularly nasty example.

I also would like to note, that at this point Mallberta considers herself, if not at war, then at an extreme state of hostility with EOTED. We realize we may face retaliation for our sentiments; indeed, we expect it from such a merciless aggressor. However, this cause is too important, too necessary to go on without response.

I urge you all to at least consider my words here; the consequences of inaction may be brutal indeed.

With Great Respect,

Ambrose the Advocate
Lord Regent of Mallberta
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The Empire of the Eternal Dawn is our ally and freind. They are mighty and just. We consider this an insult, and we shall no longer have anything to do with the Mallbertans, not like we had much to do with you anways.

--Computer Generated Message--

The Empire of the Eternal Dawn is our ally and freind. They are mighty and just. We consider this an insult, and we shall no longer have anything to do with the Mallbertans, not like we had much to do with you anways.

--Computer Generated Message--

"We're sure they're crushed."

--Jay Reaven

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With the wrong nation, of course <.<

tag......something i will respond to, eventually

"How odd, well what can one expect from all nations ruled by governments other than ones that use the glorious ideals of Our Great Ford? Only Fordism shall bring to the world civilization, embrace Ford and you shall embrace glory and happiness."


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The Controller Jill Scott
The Community of Brave New Ford World

*Tagged*

"How odd, well what can one expect from all nations ruled by governments other than ones that use the glorious ideals of Our Great Ford? Only Fordism shall bring to the world civilization, embrace Ford and you shall embrace glory and happiness."


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The Controller Jill Scott
The Community of Brave New Ford World

Yeah, that's great. Hey, lady. See that proboscis of yours? Yeah, that thing sticking out of the front of your face? It's where it doesn't belong.

And another thing... how in the world did someone like you "rise to power" anyway? Doesn't the very concept that someone "rose to power" undermine the very Fordian system of predetermination? And THIS is the "perfect ideology" you're whoring out to the world at large now? Really smooth. Glad to see no one's buying it.

Now go get lost in a Savage Reservation. You're wearing black, you Epsilon. Stop talking out of turn.

Good heavens, I'm so glad I'm not an Epsilon.

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Wololo
Minister of Foreign Affairs
The Emerald Heights of The SLAGLands

The government of Isla de Penguinata will willingly join this international coalition. It is time that freedom and values be respected it in the international community, and the Empire of the Eternal Dawn slows that forward movement down. We wish to say that we will abide by the tripartite plan, as a part of this new international movement.
While we have never directly traded with the EOTED, nor had any diplomatic relations with it, we will now shut all transmissions, economic and political, to the EOTED. We side with Mallberta is this incident, and we also do not wish for war. Our allies have too long been harmed by the EOTED, and we will not tolerate such tyranny any longer.
We will also watch the EOTED like a hawk from this day forward. We will stand alongside the Mallbertans and others that will join this coalition.

We hope that a new day for peace may arise, and that the world will become better if the EOTED complies to the triparite plan.

--Department of Foreign Affairs--

*A savage attack on A brave New Ford World*



OOC: Brutal!

#tag#

don't care?

The Vortex Corporation regards the Empire of the Eternal Dawn as a just and standing ally. We also wonder why it is the nation of Mallberta that comes forward with such a proposal, since we have no memory of any hostile action of Ma-Tek directed at their sovereignty. We therefore refuse to join such a coalition, something that would only change if Ma-Tek would choose to show hostile behaviour to Sisgardia itself, something we consider extremely unlikely.

Once again, we wonder what the problem of Mallberta with EOTED is. The only recent conflict in which EOTED was involved was the Automagfreek issue, and Automagfreek is not exactly the lighting example of a nation of good and justice. The second thing you probably refer to is their current mobilisation, of which you do not even know if it is not just an exercise, and nothing else.

Please, explain yourself more thoroughly,

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The Vortex Corporation Daiamid Council
Corporate Coalition
Templar Alliance
CENNA
SATO
WTE
SFN

”We bring new worlds to Life”

We along with the combined might of parthenon will join this allience.
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From: The Corporate Oligarchy of Der Angst
To: Mallberta
Subject: EOTED

"While we were once some kind of 'Ally' of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, we had to learn the hard way that their gunboat- diplomacy, their arrogance and general attitude, are unacceptable.

We are therefore considerably interested in your proposal.

Consider us friendly to your cause."

Sincerely,

Mr. Morden

OOC: I would help but I can't stand future tech. I was future tech for 1 day and then said screw it.

At this point, Our official stance is to remain neutral. While We are allied with the EOTED, their latest actions have proved that relations with them by any nation is volatile at best.

It amuses Us to see people state that they consider the EOTED to be a staunch and stable ally, when it is quite apparent that they are merely saying it out of fear for their own hides.

We see and hear much, and We are amused.

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The Mainframe
ProtoArchai of Angelus

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The Hague, meeting of the council of ministers
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“Ah, and Galadriël made this report. Apparently Mallberta is calling on sanctions towards the Empire of the Eternal Dawn. So far unsuccessfully I might add.”

Foreign Affairs minister Hans van Mierlo sighed after he had read over the agenda: again trouble around EOTED. He had planned on giving his recommendation immediately but it appeared as if his colleague the minister of Economic Affairs wanted a word. The EOTED situation requires discussing. Might as well me now, he pondered.

Brinkhorst, the minister of Economic Affairs made his point:
“Since we gained trade primacy in EOTED our national GDP has risen by 5% due to increased international trade. This is much more then their relative growth but they are the bigger economy… Exports are huge and growing, and we’re replacing the others as a major trading partner.

Summarised. Their trade practically helped us out of the recession. Really, so you still want to know my opinion on sanctions?”

Prime Minister Lousewies van der Laan frowned: “indeed. EOTED has never insulted us. However I am worried by their diplomatic isolation, even powerbrokers seem to turn against them at this point. ”

“We are monitoring the situation closely”, the minister of Defence commented. But I wouldn’t like to take action at this point.

The Prime Minister looked around the table.. there was consensus. She turned to her right: “Hans – you have free hand in the situation. But for now we do nothing.”

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No official statement came from the Knootian government on the issue.

Judge a nation by their deeds and not by blind hatred. Would both sides of this argument present links that are Pro-EOTED and Anti-EOTED with a brief summary of the EOTED's deeds. We believe that the wise course of action is to present full and solid evidence to all here and then let the people decide whether EOTED is worth Mallberta's scorn. That is the wise path, who here will follow me along this road and thus present evidence?


Jadar Malan
The Vostath Ma'dir
The Theocracy of the Sacred Silvertop
"Compassion, Wisdom and Honour are our watchwords"

No, we where saving the world from people like eoted while you where in diapers, we do not have to comply with your request.

Who says I'm wearing anything at the moment? Public nudity laws have grown rather lax as of late... Besides I'm an Alpha not an Epsilon, but technically I'm not really anything except a Controller.

OOC: What are you yapping about predetermination? Brave New World made no mention of that.


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The Controller Jill Scott
The Community of Brave New Ford World

the Mallbertan request was recieved by the Farstation shortly after its arrival. Arthur Guilder looked it over with his usual casualness, then opened a link to Traiden. The holographic image was near perfection, it seemed as though Traiden were actually sitting across from Guilder and the Command Table.

"Sir, Mallberta is asking for assistance in facing up to the EOTED. Here is their transmission."

Traiden recieved the message, and promptly looked over it. A moment of silence passed. "It's good to see a nation with the guts to stand up to a bully of sorts. I hold Mallberta in a higher regard than ever before. I'll prepare a message and send it to you." He paused, then added, "Don't give it the highest encryption possible. If it's encryption stands out it would draw the attention of more people. Mix it up with a few other things... give it a low profile." Arthur nodded and Traiden's image faded away.

Mallberta,
We commend you on your willingness to do what is right. We have eyed the EOTED for quite some time now, but since we rarely get involved in Earth born affairs... it hasn't required a response. We do feel however, that what you are doing deserves notice and praise. We have no diplomatic ties with the EOTED, and do not really meddle in the affairs of others, so I'm afraid we cannot provide you more assistance. I do hope that things go well for you.

-Icarus Traiden

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Respected Members of the International Community;

I come forward to you all in the spirit of fraternity, equality and friendship; however, I bring to you a message of unmitigated rage. The last few months have been times of extreme unrest; unreasonable tbreats of war, mass armament and a climate of extreme distrust. There are many we could blame for this turmoil: the continuing strife between CACE and SATO is certainly an example.

However, there is one nation in particular that seems to have found itself in the heart of nearly every such dispute: a rogue nation, now despised by those he once called friends. In the interests of solidarity, mulitlateralism and general peace, we, among others, reached out to this nation, hoping to redirect it towards a more reasonable course, only to be rebuffed. I speak, of course, of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn.

It is time for each of us to take a reckoning: what value do we place on our sovereignity, our diginity, and our peace? How long shall we ignore this nation of raging tempers and uncivilized threat, never knowing if, this time, it is we who shall feel his wrath?

I for one feel the time is now; the international community as a whole must stand up and say, together, with a voice so strong it will shake this tyrant to the core:

Enough!

Far be it from me to lead us into war; my intentions here are not to further bloodshed unless we deem it of utmost importance. I suggest a tripartite plan:

1) Economic Sanctions: beginning immediately, all nations shall sever all economic ties. While EOTED trades primarily with Menelmacar, this will serve as a strong symbolic statement. I also urge Menelmacar and her wise, benevolent leaders to recognize EOTED as the despot and danger that it certainly is.

2) International Solidarity: from this point forward, no action of EOTED shall go uncontested. I pledge myself, and all who share my sentiments, to aid in the defense of any nation facing the brunt of EOTED aggression.

3) Complete Diplomatic Santions: I urge all nations with diplomatic ties, strong or otherwise, to this nation to sever them immediately. We all have seen what regard this administration has for such things; examine the unpleasantness with ToY for a particularly nasty example.

I also would like to note, that at this point Mallberta considers herself, if not at war, then at an extreme state of hostility with EOTED. We realize we may face retaliation for our sentiments; indeed, we expect it from such a merciless aggressor. However, this cause is too important, too necessary to go on without response.

I urge you all to at least consider my words here; the consequences of inaction may be brutal indeed.

With Great Respect,

Ambrose the Advocate
Lord Regent of Mallberta
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Truly, our collective two billion hearts bleed.

Oh, the agony, the loss, the intensity of fear that we find pressing down upon us...

Oh, the sarcasm.

If we cared, we would treat this seriously; as we do not care in the least, we shall merely mock you.

Consider yourself soundly mocked.

Oh, and one small point: if we are so hostile and are a 'rogue' state - as you claim - then pray tell why it is that we have a positively obscene humanitarian aid outlay? Why did our noble Empress recently pledge several trillion Relhames to the cause of preventative and curative medicine in third-world countries?

Yes, we truly are evil, are we not?

*the sound of laughter can be heard*

~ Ambassador Relhatti

At this point, Our official stance is to remain neutral. While We are allied with the EOTED, their latest actions have proved that relations with them by any nation is volatile at best.

It amuses Us to see people state that they consider the EOTED to be a staunch and stable ally, when it is quite apparent that they are merely saying it out of fear for their own hides.

We see and hear much, and We are amused.

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The Mainframe
ProtoArchai of Angelus

We are a staunch and stable ally, friend. We have not broken ties with any nation that we have arranged a bilateral alliance with in our entire history; it is multilateral organisations that we have recently broken ties with, and with good cause in all cases, we feel.

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion; and, no matter the opinion, we can guarantee that it will not affect our alliance in any way.

~ Ambassador Dejure

The Empire of the Eternal Dawn is our ally and freind. They are mighty and just. We consider this an insult, and we shall no longer have anything to do with the Mallbertans, not like we had much to do with you anways.

--Computer Generated Message--

Our thanks for your continuing support, friends.

~ Ambassador Nejure

The Empire of the Eternal Dawn is our ally and freind. They are mighty and just. We consider this an insult, and we shall no longer have anything to do with the Mallbertans, not like we had much to do with you anways.

--Computer Generated Message--

"We're sure they're crushed."

--Jay Reaven

Hmmm... do you mean 'crushed' as in 'the Imperium at the Battle of the Bay' or 'crushed' as in Nargothrond?

~ First Minister Semir-randil I, High King of Ma-Nenya

Why should we start sanctions against EOTED, and why should we attack such an honourable nation? So far they have been within their right to press their own issues, and have not done anything other then keep their honour. The leaders of EOTED know perfectly well what honour is, unlike spineless William.
Know this. We shall stand by EOTED as brothers. For they have been great allies to us.

~ Shaul Fiacre

The Vortex Corporation regards the Empire of the Eternal Dawn as a just and standing ally. We also wonder why it is the nation of Mallberta that comes forward with such a proposal, since we have no memory of any hostile action of Ma-Tek directed at their sovereignty. We therefore refuse to join such a coalition, something that would only change if Ma-Tek would choose to show hostile behaviour to Sisgardia itself, something we consider extremely unlikely.

Once again, we wonder what the problem of Mallberta with EOTED is. The only recent conflict in which EOTED was involved was the Automagfreek issue, and Automagfreek is not exactly the lighting example of a nation of good and justice. The second thing you probably refer to is their current mobilisation, of which you do not even know if it is not just an exercise, and nothing else.

Please, explain yourself more thoroughly,

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The Vortex Corporation Daiamid Council
Corporate Coalition
Templar Alliance
CENNA
SATO
WTE
SFN

”We bring new worlds to Life”

The Empire applauds the greatly-respected Vortex Corporation for its long-standing support and friendship to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, especially in these turbulent and rapidly-changing times.

To a long and productive friendship we look.

~ Ambassador Dejure

Why should we start sanctions against EOTED, and why should we attack such an honourable nation? So far they have been within their right to press their own issues, and have not done anything other then keep their honour. The leaders of EOTED know perfectly well what honour is, unlike spineless William.
Know this. We shall stand by EOTED as brothers. For they have been great allies to us.

~ Shaul Fiacre

Equally do we consider Diablo_NL as a great ally to the cause of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, and, despite the changes that have occurred in that nation, we trust that honour will win the day.

~ Ambassador Dejure

We are aware of the E.O.T.E.D. Situation The Councle of Former Emperors is curently Decouseing this ishue at this point we will contine minitering the E.O.T.E.D.

My intrists to not Differ form thise of the empire At least as far as all of you are consurned.

However plase note Our lords and Magistrates should not be Burdoned with such a Miniscule ishue we feal policeing other nations to be a onerus task infact it is far from elagent

insort we will only act when the Security of the Empire is comprmised

The Shogunate will remain neutral in this situation, as to enter on either side would seriously jeopardize our alliances. As always, we hope that the matter can be resolved without bloodshed.

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~Tsume Dragonis
~Secretary of Foreign Affairs
~Immortal Shogunate or Reploid Productions

Our support goes out to the fair nation of Mallberta, in word and in action in regards to the economic sanctions against the vile state of EOTED. however, due to current circumstances, we will not be able to directly confront EOTED militarily, for the time being.

we wish the best of luck to the movement and hope that more will follow in our steps and yours.

v1, The Holy Father and Lord of Celestia

Truly, our collective two billion hearts bleed.

Oh, the agony, the loss, the intensity of fear that we find pressing down upon us...

Oh, the sarcasm.

If we cared, we would treat this seriously; as we do not care in the least, we shall merely mock you.

So be it; if you are unwilling to discuss this matter in a manner befitting the gravity of the situation, we cannot be faulted. Let it only be shown as more evidence of the arrogance and unquestionable folly of the EOTED administration; it is no wonder you've become the subject of such intense hostility.

Oh, and one small point: if we are so hostile and are a 'rogue' state - as you claim - then pray tell why it is that we have a positively obscene humanitarian aid outlay? Why did our noble Empress recently pledge several trillion Relhames to the cause of preventative and curative medicine in third-world countries?

Yes, we truly are evil, are we not?

*the sound of laughter can be heard*

~ Ambassador Relhatti

It was never stated that EOTED was 'evil'; such terms have little significance in the international realm. Rather, we have suggested you present a clear and present danger to the stability of our world. We cannot be attacked for demanding a return to reasonable, cautious government.

If you are not willing to discuss matters and are either unwilling or unable to control your clearly aggressive, unpredictable actions, you must be prepared for resistance.

Good day,

Ambrose the Advocate
Lord Regent of Mallberta

The Empire of the Eternal Dawn is our ally and freind. They are mighty and just. We consider this an insult, and we shall no longer have anything to do with the Mallbertans, not like we had much to do with you anways.

--Computer Generated Message--

"We're sure they're crushed."

--Jay Reaven

Hmmm... do you mean 'crushed' as in 'the Imperium at the Battle of the Bay' or 'crushed' as in Nargothrond?

~ First Minister Semir-randil I, High King of Ma-Nenya

"Neither. 'Crushed' as in 'EOTED in five months if he doesn't watch his ass, or get good at kising them.' At any rate, if such a war will.. >ahem< happen again, you would have neither the support of Menelmacar or Yut, who effectively saved your ass last time. Maybe when you get off your goddamn high horse and admit it, you'll be better off. Until then, I can only hope the international community continues to mock the Nenyans for the scum they are."

--Reaven

We again support the Mallbertans, and we are truly appalled at the arrogance and disregard for international opinion exerted by the EOTED. The Corporate Republic now has even less respect for the EOTED.

--Dept. of Foreign Affairs--

By the way the Brave New Ford World is neutral in this rather pointless conflict between Mallberta and the EOTED.


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The Controller Jill Scott
The Community of Brave New Ford World

OOC: What are you yapping about predetermination? Brave New World made no mention of that.
OOC: It sure as hell did. Everyone in the World State was predetermined for a particular role in society, and in fact their conditioning both before and after birth was always optimized for them to excel in the specific job chosen for them.

~Siri

OOC: What are you yapping about predetermination? Brave New World made no mention of that.
OOC: It sure as hell did. Everyone in the World State was predetermined for a particular role in society, and in fact their conditioning both before and after birth was always optimized for them to excel in the specific job chosen for them.

~Siri

OOC: I knew that, but Slaggy was yapping about the leadership being predetermined which of course we know the leaders were picked from people who once fought against the system that they were now in control of. I would guess that they would vote on who would takeover and prep them for leadership but of course there is a small amount of guess work involved in that manner.

The young Sky Marshall read Reaven's letter and chuckled.

"Bastards are rather arrogant," Zephyr mused, playing with a combat knife he found in his desk. "Still...EOTED has too many blind supporters...its not worth it..."

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Sky Marshall Michael Zephyr
Commander of the Imperial Fleet and Marines

Greetings:

Due to recent events surrounding The Empire, and the strength of the opinions on both sides, I feel a need to convey my opinion in relation to the matter.

The Empire of the Eternal Dawn has polices that this Federal Republic of Konania agrees with at times, as well as policies to which we take offence. This is the expected system of relations with all nations, and around this theory is the foreign police of the Federal Republic formed. At times, disagreements between nations reach a point where they can not be endured. In my own opinion, this is not one of those times.

Though many in the Federal Republic feel your cause noble, and many do not, my conclusion is based on this: any action by the government of Konanian State may be detrimental to the citizens of the Konanian State. In the case of war, it is undoubted that many lives would be lost.

If victory were to be obtained, what then but the jostling of nations to fill the void of power? Who will fill that void? If failure, what else can be expected but harsh retribution?

Friends, that is an adventure that I would wish not to take part.

Therefore, the Federal Republic declares absolute neutrality in this case, for the sake of stability within and outside Konania.

--Felix Avinn, Cheif Executive, President

--Department of World Affairs

Federal Republic of Konania

That U.S.S.N. supports this movement in full and has alerted all fleets at sea. Borders have been closed and constant arial patrols are now spooling up.

That U.S.S.N. supports this movement in full and has alerted all fleets at sea. Borders have been closed and constant arial patrols are now spooling up.

Since when does this thing have anything to do with the military? If I'm correct, Mallberta asks for economic sanctions and official condemnation of the EOTED government. How do you support that cause by "closing your borders and increasing aerial patrols"?

"Since the glorious days of Governor-General Al-Zwahiri, the Nenyans have done nothing but insulted and threatened us. Mallberta has poven to be a faithfull friend in the past, while the same cannot be said of Ma-tek and EOTED. We will support Mallberta fully in this endevour, with what ever means neccissary. The Confederated Union stands with you!"

-Ambassador Cotto, United Indiastan Foreign Ministry

The Empire notes that any aggressive action taken against us will not be seen as an act of war unless civilian lives are impacted in a negative fashion. If the safety and well-being of our citizens is threatened, we will take appropriate and proportionate action to ameliate that threat. If such a threat does not arise - and we feel fairly certain at this time that such a threat is unlikely in the extreme - then we will take no action against the aggressors.

We do, however, feel the need to point out that Mallberta merely strives to use our own foreign policy against us; they speak of stability, which has been our prime foreign policy goal for a several months now. I suggest strongly that any nation thinking to support Mallberta seriously consider exactly how such an action will be to the detriment of the 'stability' that Mallberta is apparently striving for; disruption of the current balance of power can only bring less stability, not the greater of said.

As an act of infinite mercy, the Empire will not be taking economic action against those nations that see fit to enact sanctions against us; our logic behind this is quite, quite simple: external trade benefits outsiders more than it benefits us. To put it briefly: it is your loss, not ours. If those who support Mallberta wish to 'cut off their nose to spite their face', as Humans say, then that is their own closed-minded choice.

Contrary to popular opinion, EOTED is not in the business of interfering in internal policy in sovereign states. Quite the opposite. We have been known to interfere in foreign policy issues - but when the foreign policy of one sovereign state interferes with our foreign policy (we also being a sovereign state), then interference is inevitable, and, indeed, justifiable - what is good for one is good for another, after all.

And frankly, those instances where we have interfered - preventing the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, attempting to prevent large-scale conflict, preventing nuclear war on at least six seperate occasions, interference in conflict to prevent ease of operations by the militaries involved, offering to mediate in disputes - have hardly been of the variety that could be considered immoral.

If any can give a valid reason as to why outside foreign policy is of such great importance that we ought disavow the wishes of our own population - that is, impinge upon their freedom to aide the direction of the Empire in foreign policy circles - then we will give all due consideration to their concerns.

Until such a time, however, HMI's Government will continue to act exactly as our population desires us to act - for that is the meaning of the word 'democracy'.

~ Ambassador Dejure

No, we where saving the world from people like eoted while you where in diapers, we do not have to comply with your request.

Then you are a fool. Refusal to provide evidence of EOTED's misdoings is a clear sign of the weakness of anti-EOTED argument. May you one day find true wisdom in your small hearts.



Jadar Malan
The Vostath Ma'dir
The Theocracy of the Sacred Silvertop
"Compassion, Wisdom and Honour are our watchwords"

OOC: Mallberta, telegram... :twisted:

You are picking a fight with the wrong nations young one. We strongly urge you to take back that comment.

You are picking a fight with the wrong nations young one. We strongly urge you to take back that comment.

I pick fights with no nation, man nor animal. We seek merely to offer wise advice to the particularly needy. All I asked was that the Anti-EOTED side and the Pro-EOTED side provide evidence and links so that people could make a justifyable decision. That is the wise choice, Parthenon my friend. Can not you see? Is that too much to ask of such big nations?


Jadar Malan
The Vostath Ma'dir
The Theocracy of the Sacred Silvertop
"Compassion, Wisdom and Honour are our watchwords"

Yes, you are asking us to grave dig

Yes, you are asking us to grave dig

Your attempt at humour is humourless. I would desist. We mean you know harm, except perhaps in a verbal sense.
Any attempt against us would be percieved as hypocritical. The anti-EOTED viewpoint is that EOTED is a world tyrant who interferes and smites anyone who opposes them. If you were to 'interfere' and 'smite' me then that makes you into the enemy you despise.


Jadar Malan
The Vostath Ma'dir
The Theocracy of the Sacred Silvertop
"Compassion, Wisdom and Honour are our watchwords"

Yes, you are asking us to grave dig

Your attempt at humour is humourless. I would desist. We mean you know harm, except perhaps in a verbal sense.
Any attempt against us would be percieved as hypocritical. The anti-EOTED viewpoint is that EOTED is a world tyrant who interferes and smites anyone who opposes them. If you were to 'interfere' and 'smite' me then that makes you into the enemy you despise.


Jadar Malan
The Vostath Ma'dir
The Theocracy of the Sacred Silvertop
"Compassion, Wisdom and Honour are our watchwords"

A wise argument, friend. - Where are their 'noble' cries of 'for the furtherment of stability' now?

No - when the chips are down, they are bloodthirsty and intent only on destruction. We desire only stability and peace for all. CENNA, which we drove into existance with hard work and much thought for the future, is a crowning example of our efforts for a more stable and peaceful world.

~ Ambassador Dejure

Gravedigging is forum terms for finding old threads

Gravedigging is forum terms for finding old threads

OOC: Well, if you are unwilling to go through the old threads, then don't expect many to join with you. People tend to base their sentiments on proven deeds and not on blind hatred.

you posted an ic responce to ooc...

So edited.

Thelas helped EOTED in the AMF space-war, although our initial reaction was one straght out of the text books, Thelas sees no reason to place any sort of sancitons against EOTED.

We even are considering sending representatives to enqire about a possible Non-Agression pact with the honorable. Empire Of The Eternal Dawn.

~Thelas Diplomatic Release

Gravedigging is forum terms for finding old threads

This isn't an old thread...it's not even a week old...

Gravedigging is forum terms for finding old threads

This isn't an old thread...it's not even a week old...

He speaks of digging up old threads in order to find evidence.

We have seen no evidence that would convince us to interfere in any way with whatever trade our business community may have with the EOTED.

They have been nothing but a force for good and their intentions are in the right place. We consider this act as an unnecessarily aggressive action on the part of Mallberta and those nations that have currently agreed to support their proposal.

We also welcome the EOTED statement on how no action against them, unless it affects civilian lives, will be considered an act of war.

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Cathal Ó Séagdha,
2nd Tigern,
UPM Foreign Affairs Office.
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"The Mallbertan case is indeed worthy of consideration. We have not been asleep all these years; we remember well EOTED's ruthlessly selfish monopoly on certain technologies, even to the point of attempting to outlaw and restrict the use of orbital artillery to their own purposes; and lately, EOTED aggressive actions taken against our allies in the Reich have not gone unnoticed either.

"As for stability, such has never been the concern of the Conglomerate. Life is about change, and if nothing ever changed, no profit could be made for anyone. However, there is the political essence of stability lacking in EOTED, as marked by their recent odds with the Triumverate-- a group which, as I'm sure everyone is aware, traditionally stands for upholding the peaceful balance of power.

"Given these and other conditions, the PrattCo Conglomerate will cease the ongoing trade efforts to EOTED immediately. While this may 'cut off our nose,' as Ambassador Dejure put it, it will hardly spite our face. Frankly, Santa Barbara has never relied on Nenyan trade for any of it's strength, so we are hardly at the loss. Indeed, our previous effort had been inspired by the growing need for Santa Barbarian products and resources in Ma-Tek, which shall simply have to go unsated.

"We cannot, however, at this point dictate actions to Ma-Tek in the manner prescribed by Mallberta; but rest assured, we may not tolerate further moves against us or our interests.

"Pending further developments, we also will increase the level of restrictions on communications between all Conglomerate assets and those of the Empire of Eternal Dawn, save for the moment emergency national-level relations with the Federal Government of Santa Barbara."

Eric Love
International Developments Group
PrattCo Conglomerate

"While our nation is young to the international stage and is bias to other elvish nations in most issues none the less the Eternal Avari Queendom of Ezellohar will look into Mallberta's accusations while standing by the side of our kin at this time."


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Queen Aldivahari
Unis Pelasi Indar jie Frogo ie Rana!
The Eternal Avari Queendom of Ezellohar

"The Mallbertan case is indeed worthy of consideration. We have not been asleep all these years; we remember well EOTED's ruthlessly selfish monopoly on certain technologies, even to the point of attempting to outlaw and restrict the use of orbital artillery to their own purposes; and lately, EOTED aggressive actions taken against our allies in the Reich have not gone unnoticed either.

"As for stability, such has never been the concern of the Conglomerate. Life is about change, and if nothing ever changed, no profit could be made for anyone. However, there is the political essence of stability lacking in EOTED, as marked by their recent odds with the Triumverate-- a group which, as I'm sure everyone is aware, traditionally stands for upholding the peaceful balance of power.

"Given these and other conditions, the PrattCo Conglomerate will cease the ongoing trade efforts to EOTED immediately. While this may 'cut off our nose,' as Ambassador Dejure put it, it will hardly spite our face. Frankly, Santa Barbara has never relied on Nenyan trade for any of it's strength, so we are hardly at the loss. Indeed, our previous effort had been inspired by the growing need for Santa Barbarian products and resources in Ma-Tek, which shall simply have to go unsated.

"We cannot, however, at this point dictate actions to Ma-Tek in the manner prescribed by Mallberta; but rest assured, we may not tolerate further moves against us or our interests.

"Pending further developments, we also will increase the level of restrictions on communications between all Conglomerate assets and those of the Empire of Eternal Dawn, save for the moment emergency national-level relations with the Federal Government of Santa Barbara."

Eric Love
International Developments Group
PrattCo Conglomerate

We must confess some confusion at this so-called change in trade status - if that is, indeed, what you are talking about - as we did not ratify the trade deal that we were in talks regarding. Indeed, we did not even get around to discussing the deal.

This, then, is no loss.

Furthermore, I feel the need to point out that we were not attempting to gain a 'monopoly' on orbital strike capability; rather, we were attempting to protect civilian lives by setting up a Multinational Orbital Defence Organisation - which there was vanishingly small interest in. As for monopoly on technology... would you really desire to see magnetic impetus air power in the wrong hands? What if, for example, Melkor Unchained gained possession of MI - along with gravitic technology, as they already have? Would this be preferable to MI being kept 'in-house', here in the Empire? I think not.

~ Ambassador Dejure

We have seen no evidence that would convince us to interfere in any way with whatever trade our business community may have with the EOTED.

They have been nothing but a force for good and their intentions are in the right place. We consider this act as an unnecessarily aggressive action on the part of Mallberta and those nations that have currently agreed to support their proposal.

We also welcome the EOTED statement on how no action against them, unless it affects civilian lives, will be considered an act of war.

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Cathal Ó Séagdha,
2nd Tigern,
UPM Foreign Affairs Office.
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The Empire is both pleased and surprised at this sign of support from Milesia, and, as a token of goodwill, we offer to improve Milesian trade status with the Empire to 'Most Favoured' status.

What say thee?

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II, CEO of the Imperial Trade Conglomerate

"Regarding your confusion, Ambassador, we had not agreed on any trade, but at this point the Conglomerate may no longer consider doing so. Whether you consider this a loss or not matters little...right now.

"I admit to lacking knowledge on the specifics of your so-called Orbital Defence Organisation. However, at this point, your motivations in the creation of that are unprovable, and suffice it to say we hold your stated goal of protecting civilian lives in no small amount of skepticism.

"Lastly, there are many technologies which may be used by the wrong hands. Attempting to limit the natural growth and spread of technology has not been our policy; and we again regard with skepticism your motives there. MI is not so powerful a technology that it's being in Melkor's hands is of more or less concern to us than gravitics being in Melkor's hands. And, Mister Ambassador, there are many who question whether, as you imply, MI currently does reside in the right hands."

Eric Love, Director
International Developments Group
PrattCo Conglomerate

While the Federation shall remain neutral on this issue, seeing that we do not hold any direct interests nor vendettas agains the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, we deeply condemn the nation of Malberta for breeding and feeding initiatives such as this one, whcih only serve to bring further inestability to the already boiling and tormented international panorama.

Should the Empire of Eternal Dawn be punished with diplomatical and/or economical sanction is not of our incumbency, but the stability of the dedlicate fabric of world diplomacy is. Thus, we despice and reject this so called organization, that could bring upon all of us more problems that the ones nations here have bargained for.

We hope that international groups, among them Malberta itself, will reconsider this and scrap this senseless project.


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Augustus Fistkoffen,
General Voicer of the Supreme Consulate

Snip snip


The Empire is both pleased and surprised at this sign of support from Milesia, and, as a token of goodwill, we offer to improve Milesian trade status with the Empire to 'Most Favoured' status.

What say thee?

~ Empress Rialla ux-Rihad II, CEO of the Imperial Trade Conglomerate

We would be most pleased to have MFN status with the Empire. You yourselves would enjoy free access to the Milesian market, as all nations do.

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Cathal Ó Séagdha,
2nd Tigern,
UPM Foreign Affairs Office.
Visit the Separatist Confederacy (http://s3.invisionfree.com/The_Separatists_/) forum.

For years the GDODAD has alerted the world to the danger that the EOTED poses to world security. Often the EOTED would go to war on a whim. Often EOTED violated soviergnty, sighting claims that "the safety of the world depended upon it." These claims were baseless, yet many lapdogs continuosly supported the imperialist scum. Many still continue, and I think it is either out of some sort of baseless fear, I am really not sure. But through the years, as EOTED has left many "allies" (possibly never really regarded as freinds by the EOTED, just an opportunity) out to dry, and many nations have realized the instability and uselessness of an alliance with EOTED. Also, many have realized that EOTED is nothing more than an Imperialist bully. LCS is glad to see this effort come forth. Perhaps the world is realising where true evil exists.

The Corporate Republic has planned to reverse its position. We will not be on either side, because we have discovered that the GDODAD to be against the EOTED, therefore making the EOTED 'good'. We will not attack such a nation that is 'good' and hated by the GDODAD, as our passionate hate against it is too strong to remain part of any coalition.

Therefore, we reopen trade with the EOTED, after seeing the light. We apologize to the EOTED for not thinking clearly before, and hope that this does not damage our reputation with them.

--President Jake McDermont--
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PUSS!

Mallberta, tg

*please send any replies to Eternal Wretchengard, cause this nation is acting screwy* :x

"As a member of CENNA we will stand by the side of our allies of the EOTED. We will honor our treaties, even with the political strife present in our nation. They have proved to be our friends and our allies in the past, it's natural that we found those accusations against such great and fair nation...disturbing"

Princess Aliria D'Hyru, Imperial Chancellor, in a special declaration to the press regarding the EOTED affair.

"Those pitiful humans should be crushed before they transform into a threat. Well, they're already a threat, so we should join the alliance against them. And resign to that CENNA joke too. They have never helped us, so we don't owe nothing to the EOTED"

High Duke Phaelos, Chief of the Noble's Gathering, excerpt from his speech regarding the Human Banning Decree.

"As a member of CENNA we will stand by the side of our allies of the EOTED. We will honor our treaties, even with the political strife present in our nation. They have proved to be our friends and our allies in the past, it's natural that we found those accusations against such great and fair nation...disturbing"

Princess Aliria D'Hyru, Imperial Chancellor, in a special declaration to the press regarding the EOTED affair.

"Those pitiful humans should be crushed before they transform into a threat. Well, they're already a threat, so we should join the alliance against them. And resign to that CENNA joke too. They have never helped us, so we don't owe nothing to the EOTED"

High Duke Phaelos, Chief of the Noble's Gathering, excerpt from his speech regarding the Human Banning Decree.

###BEGIN TRANSMISSION###
~>Route: Automata Omicron Blu - Angelus Mainframe - International Community
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{Angelus has decided to temporarily cease trade with EOTED.}
{Note, this is not an act of acceptance for Mallberta's proposition, but rather}
{We are temporarily taking this stance to assure the safety of Our unarmed}
{transport ships.}
{We hope to resume trade after this situation has died down.}
:
~>Route closed
###END TRANSMISSION###

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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Archai Collective

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Membership: Triumvirate of Yut, Ur Trade Pact, Deus Ex Humana Consortium

We do, however, feel the need to point out that Mallberta merely strives to use our own foreign policy against us; they speak of stability, which has been our prime foreign policy goal for a several months now. I suggest strongly that any nation thinking to support Mallberta seriously consider exactly how such an action will be to the detriment of the 'stability' that Mallberta is apparently striving for; disruption of the current balance of power can only bring less stability, not the greater of said.


It should, of course, be noted that at this point neither Mallberta, nor any member of this coalition, has threatened war or aggressive actions against EOTED. Our proposed military intervention would occur only if (and when) EOTED makes another hostile move against foreign interests.

from this point forward, no action of EOTED shall go uncontested. I pledge myself, and all who share my sentiments, to aid in the defense of any nation facing the brunt of EOTED aggression.

At no point was an act of war declared or the intention of such a declaration stated. Thus we must suggest that any statement typifying our coalition a 'destabilizing factor' be considered fallacious to the extreme. We will only intervene if EOTED continues its hasty and unprovoked acts; this may or may not include reckless acts of deceit intended to raise the already high levels of tension throughout the world.

Ambrose the Advocate
Lord Regent

To High Duke Phaelos,

Why do you hate humans so much? While never having spoken to nor ever having met one of the Children of the Sun none the less my view is that humanity is an entity that desires to do good but more often than not falls prey to evil and a desire for some form of immortality. That does not mean that we stoop to the level of animals and attack all humans simply for being born human. Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.


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Queen Aldivahari lith Mahili, High-Queen of the Avari
Unis Pelasi Indar jie Frogo ie Rana!
The Eternal Avari Queendom of Ezellohar

We have seen no evidence that would convince us to interfere in any way with whatever trade our business community may have with the EOTED.

They have been nothing but a force for good and their intentions are in the right place. We consider this act as an unnecessarily aggressive action on the part of Mallberta and those nations that have currently agreed to support their proposal.

We also welcome the EOTED statement on how no action against them, unless it affects civilian lives, will be considered an act of war.

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Cathal Ó Séagdha,
2nd Tigern,
UPM Foreign Affairs Office.
Visit the Separatist Confederacy (http://s3.invisionfree.com/The_Separatists_/) forum.

To: Milesia Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: good intentions

How does that quaint saying go - The road to Hell is paved with good intentions? Indeed, do forces of good unilaterally decide to annex other states? Perhaps you can clarify for us what you believe a "force of good" should be.

Well, we have had one or two friendly relations with Ma-Tek. But, exactly WHAT has Mat-ek done that is so bad? Answer me that, and I may yet remain neutral. But a declaration of war without a reason, well, that grates well against Aquillan foreign policy.

Well, we have had one or two friendly relations with Ma-Tek. But, exactly WHAT has Mat-ek done that is so bad? Answer me that, and I may yet remain neutral. But a declaration of war without a reason, well, that grates well against Aquillan foreign policy.

Again, there is no declaration of war here. Please reread the first post for further information.

To High Duke Phaelos,

"....While never having spoken to nor ever having met one of the Children of the Sun none the less my view is that humanity is an entity that desires to do good..."

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Queen Aldivahari lith Mahili, High-Queen of the Avari
Unis Pelasi Indar jie Frogo ie Rana!
The Eternal Avari Queendom of Ezellohar

I'd just like to reiterate that little bit for everyone to see. Apparently, Aldivaharawhatever is making generalizations about a race that she hasn't even seen before. This statement is a poorly contrived heap of dung, and should be taken such. The Imperium urges all involved to ignore these... these... elves.

--Foreign Minister Jay Reaven

To High Duke Phaelos,

"....While never having spoken to nor ever having met one of the Children of the Sun none the less my view is that humanity is an entity that desires to do good..."

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Queen Aldivahari lith Mahili, High-Queen of the Avari
Unis Pelasi Indar jie Frogo ie Rana!
The Eternal Avari Queendom of Ezellohar

I'd just like to reiterate that little bit for everyone to see. Apparently, Aldivaharawhatever is making generalizations about a race that she hasn't even seen before. This statement is a poorly contrived heap of dung, and should be taken such. The Imperium urges all involved to ignore these... these... elves.

--Foreign Minister Jay Reaven

Mind you after the man edited my message and took it out of context did he even bother to show you his twisted view on the matter. Ignore him please.


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Queen Aldivahari lith Mahili, High-Queen of the Avari
Unis Pelasi Indar jie Frogo ie Rana!
The Eternal Avari Queendom of Ezellohar

Mind you after the man edited my message and took it out of context did he even bother to show you his twisted view on the matter. Ignore him please.*
*
We are not in the habit of ignoring people that have proven themselves to be of much better character than.... you.*
*
---
Automata X1*
First-of-Thirteen
*

Mind you after the man edited my message and took it out of context did he even bother to show you his twisted view on the matter. Ignore him please.*
*
We are not in the habit of ignoring people that have proven themselves to be of much better character than.... you.*
*
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Automata X1*
First-of-Thirteen
*

So you now support Morgoth the Enemy of the Light and his spawn do you? Disturbing... Very disturbing indeed.


~Queen Aldivahari

Well, we have had one or two friendly relations with Ma-Tek. But, exactly WHAT has Mat-ek done that is so bad? Answer me that, and I may yet remain neutral. But a declaration of war without a reason, well, that grates well against Aquillan foreign policy.

To: Aquilla Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps

Does the unilateral declaration declaring AMF to be a part of the EOTED in recent history escape your memory?

So you now support Morgoth the Enemy of the Light and his spawn do you? Disturbing... Very disturbing indeed.*

That is not what was stated. We merely stated that Morgoth was of better character than you.

Evil though his character may be, he is still more true to himself.

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Automata X1*
First-of-Thirteen

Temprorarily locked while I clear out Mushy's unwanted intrusion.

--Scolo

Thread fixed (hopefully) and unlocked.

--Scolo

"Those pitiful humans should be crushed before they transform into a threat. Well, they're already a threat, so we should join the alliance against them."

Press release, Soldats & White Hawk Ltd.:

"Those pitiful humans could decide to end the Aelosian elves once and for all. For the betterment of humanity and, most likely, elvenkind as well."

###BEGIN TRANSMISSION###
~>Route: Automata Omicron Blu - Angelus Mainframe - International Community
:
{Angelus has decided to temporarily cease trade with EOTED.}
{Note, this is not an act of acceptance for Mallberta's proposition, but rather}
{We are temporarily taking this stance to assure the safety of Our unarmed}
{transport ships.}
{We hope to resume trade after this situation has died down.}
:
~>Route closed
###END TRANSMISSION###

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Automata Omicron Blu
Speaker of the Archai Collective

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Membership: Triumvirate of Yut, Ur Trade Pact, Deus Ex Humana Consortium

We find this utterly unacceptable. Trade routes into and out of EOTED are guarded with extreme efficiency; never has a single ship fallen prey to piracy nor ambush by a hostile force. However, as there is little to be done about this decision, we instead warn Angelus that, although we have long valued their trade and would much desire to continue placing such value on it, we will not hesitate to shift our trade focus to other, more willing states in order to preserve our current state of economic growth.

~ Ambassador Dejure

We would be most pleased to have MFN status with the Empire. You yourselves would enjoy free access to the Milesian market, as all nations do.

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Cathal Ó Séagdha,
2nd Tigern,
UPM Foreign Affairs Office.
Visit the Separatist Confederacy (http://s3.invisionfree.com/The_Separatists_/) forum.

It is our honour to announce that MFN status has been granted to the noble state of Milesia. May our future lead to further mutual profit, both economic and diplomatic.

~ Ambassador Dejure

OOC: Could we get a list of pro-EOTED / anti-EOTED folks in this thread? :?

For years the GDODAD has alerted the world to the danger that the EOTED poses to world security. Often the EOTED would go to war on a whim. Often EOTED violated soviergnty, sighting claims that "the safety of the world depended upon it." These claims were baseless, yet many lapdogs continuosly supported the imperialist scum. Many still continue, and I think it is either out of some sort of baseless fear, I am really not sure. But through the years, as EOTED has left many "allies" (possibly never really regarded as freinds by the EOTED, just an opportunity) out to dry, and many nations have realized the instability and uselessness of an alliance with EOTED. Also, many have realized that EOTED is nothing more than an Imperialist bully. LCS is glad to see this effort come forth. Perhaps the world is realising where true evil exists.

I am loathe to respond to the ravings of barbarians, as it oft proves fruitless; they lack the intellect to alter their viewpoints and opinions more often than not. However, I will point out that the Empire has never it its history pulled out of a bilateral alliance. Despite our recent withdrawal from the multilateral alliance of SATO - a decision taken with the best of intents and after a lengthy and complicated decision process including (rather unsatisfactory) consultation of SATO on those matters which drove us to the decision - we are and continue to be committed to our allies inside that organisation; of which there are several.

~ Ambassador Dejure

The Corporate Republic has planned to reverse its position. We will not be on either side, because we have discovered that the GDODAD to be against the EOTED, therefore making the EOTED 'good'. We will not attack such a nation that is 'good' and hated by the GDODAD, as our passionate hate against it is too strong to remain part of any coalition.

Therefore, we reopen trade with the EOTED, after seeing the light. We apologize to the EOTED for not thinking clearly before, and hope that this does not damage our reputation with them.

--President Jake McDermont--
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The Empire is most pleased at the decision of the Corporate Republic of the Isle of Penguinata, and, in order to fully display that there are no 'hard feelings' on this unfortunate matter, we announce an upgrade in the Corporate Republic's trade status from 'Restricted Trading Partner' (RTP) to 'Regulated Trading Associate' (RTA) - regulated meaning, of course, that only the most sensitive of materiel is blocked from being exported to the Corporate Republic. We look forward to further development of relations with the Corporate Republic, and applaud their decision to take a neutral standpoint.

Our humble thanks for the honourable and respectful resumption of confidence in the Empire by the Corporate Republic.

~ Ambassador Nejure

<Diplomatic Corp>
{Encryption 3857}

Garrison II traders have jumped at a chance of making more mulah in these worrying times for EOTED, they have lobbied the government to open trade with Ma-tek, the Emperor has decided to allow it as long as it will not harm relations with allies. Therefore the Garrison II government requests permission to trade with Ma-tek.


{Transmission Over}

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Lady Taylor
Lady of Garrison II
House of David
Lady of York

Transmission to the World

<Diplomatic Corp>
{Encryption 3857}

Garrison II traders have jumped at a chance of making more mulah in these worrying times for EOTED, they have lobbied the government to open trade with Ma-tek, the Emperor has decided to allow it as long as it will not harm relations with allies. Therefore the Garrison II government requests permission to trade with Ma-tek.


{Transmission Over}

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Lady Taylor
Lady of Garrison II
House of David
Lady of York

Transmission to the World

The Empire is willing to grant 'Restricted Trading Partner' status to Garrison II - for now. In light of some slightly difficult diplomatic discourse in the past, we feel it would be wise to progress slowly on the matter of trade. We mean no offense by this, you understand: it is simple caution.

It would be our honour if Garrison II would agree.

~ Ambassador Dejure

Transmission to the World

<Transmission to the world>
<Diplomatic Corp>
{Encryption 3857}

Garrison II agrees to the conditions and looks foward to trade.

{Transmission Over}

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Lady Taylor
Lady of Garrison II
House of David
Lady of York

Transmission to the World

{Ascetic Tunnels Arcology - Primary Node Active}
{Open Link Established}
{Video Transmission Initiated}

Respected Members of the International Community;

I come forward to you all in the spirit of fraternity, equality and friendship; however, I bring to you a message of unmitigated rage. The last few months have been times of extreme unrest; unreasonable tbreats of war, mass armament and a climate of extreme distrust. There are many we could blame for this turmoil: the continuing strife between CACE and SATO is certainly an example.

However, there is one nation in particular that seems to have found itself in the heart of nearly every such dispute: a rogue nation, now despised by those he once called friends. In the interests of solidarity, mulitlateralism and general peace, we, among others, reached out to this nation, hoping to redirect it towards a more reasonable course, only to be rebuffed. I speak, of course, of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn.

It is time for each of us to take a reckoning: what value do we place on our sovereignity, our diginity, and our peace? How long shall we ignore this nation of raging tempers and uncivilized threat, never knowing if, this time, it is we who shall feel his wrath?

I for one feel the time is now; the international community as a whole must stand up and say, together, with a voice so strong it will shake this tyrant to the core:

Enough!

Far be it from me to lead us into war; my intentions here are not to further bloodshed unless we deem it of utmost importance. I suggest a tripartite plan:

1) Economic Sanctions: beginning immediately, all nations shall sever all economic ties. While EOTED trades primarily with Menelmacar, this will serve as a strong symbolic statement. I also urge Menelmacar and her wise, benevolent leaders to recognize EOTED as the despot and danger that it certainly is.

2) International Solidarity: from this point forward, no action of EOTED shall go uncontested. I pledge myself, and all who share my sentiments, to aid in the defense of any nation facing the brunt of EOTED aggression.

3) Complete Diplomatic Santions: I urge all nations with diplomatic ties, strong or otherwise, to this nation to sever them immediately. We all have seen what regard this administration has for such things; examine the unpleasantness with ToY for a particularly nasty example.

I also would like to note, that at this point Mallberta considers herself, if not at war, then at an extreme state of hostility with EOTED. We realize we may face retaliation for our sentiments; indeed, we expect it from such a merciless aggressor. However, this cause is too important, too necessary to go on without response.

I urge you all to at least consider my words here; the consequences of inaction may be brutal indeed.

With Great Respect,

Ambrose the Advocate
Lord Regent of Mallberta
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As we are not ungrateful ingrates, we feel the need to thank Mallberta for their actions. Without their cries of 'injustice!', we no doubt would have had to expend far more effort in securing the new trade relations we have been establishing of late. Therefore, we offer our thanks for this excellent publicity. If Mallberta is willing to reverse their decision, we would be happy to grant them MFN status as a way of saying 'thank-you'.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

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To: Milesia Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: good intentions

How does that quaint saying go - The road to Hell is paved with good intentions? Indeed, do forces of good unilaterally decide to annex other states? Perhaps you can clarify for us what you believe a "force of good" should be.

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{Recipient: Vrak Diplomatic Corps}
{Re: Good intention}

If the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and you believe that, why even try be a force for stability? If the good side of will, be it the will of Humans, Elves, Nenyans, takes you to that lake of fire and damnation, why even try being good? Where then do bad intentions lead?

Yet good intentions is exactly what the Empire has displayed, and not for their own gain, but for that of international stability.

Perhaps you would like to display a list of actions you have taken in the cause of international stability?

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"Dear God. Not another problem. You know, John, sometimes I think our alliance with EOTED causes more problems that it will ever solve."

"Yes, Mister President, it does seem that way sometimes."

"I suppose I should issue a statement, shouldn't I?"

"Probably, sir. But Minister Currey would be the one to ask about that."

D'ron grins crookedly. "I know. But you are here and he is not."

"Yessir."

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The Federated Commonwealths and Dominions of the Federation of Sentient Peoples support our ally the Empire of the Eternal Dawn in this matter.

While it is true that the Empire has made some misguided decisions in the past, and while the past cannot be forgotten, it can be forgiven. The Empire has always acted where and how it believed to be in the right, moving to protect people from their own tyrannical governments, or to eliminate threats to world security and stability.

Who does no respect the need to do so? For this world is very unstable, and volitile, and the Empire just wishes for a time of peace, as we all wish for a time when there is peace.

The only difference between the Empire and the rest of us the the more proactive route they have chosen to achieve the goal of global stability. While the rest of have whined and bitched and moaned about world peace and stability, the Empire has acted in a way to make it a reality. What wrong is there in that?

As for Mallberta, they are just acting from an upset point of view. Recently they approached the Empire about diplomatic ties, while the Empire was in the midst of major international crisis, and were rebuffed. Instead to seeking reasoning or explanation, they move in an extremely hostile manner against the Empire of the Eternal Dawn now.

As for myself, I will encourage Federation companies to continue to do business in the Empire, and willing extend trading status to all those with whom the Empire has as well, should they desire it. As for International Solidarity? We will support our allies to the fullest extent we can. That is how we shall show solidairty.

And to those nations considering the Mallbertan proposal. Examine those who have come out in favor of it, for instance, the Global Dominion of Dictators Against Democracy. A highly aggressive and unstabilizing organization, which has been soundly defeated a number of times by the Empire and its allies. Lord Melkor's Imperium, which is well known for outright imperialism for the cause of accquiring slaves and more resources for those slaves to strip mine from their own lands to build up his war machine. In addition, Lord Melkor's military has also in the past been soundly defeated by the Empire and its allies. I'm sure if you examine the others in support of this proposal, you will find them most similiar.

And remember, of conflict arises from this issue, it shall not be because of the actions of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn or its allies. We will not fire the first shot, but I assure you, we will fire the last.

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In addition, Lord Melkor's military has also in the past been soundly defeated by the Empire and its allies.

HA! Perhaps you should check your records. They will show a much higher casualty rate on the EOTED/Menelmacar side than on ours. Our infantry overran a fifth of Ax-Turath in less than a week.

Aboiut the only thing that really did us in, ultimately, was the fall of the Nargothrond which, incidentally, EOTED didnt even have anything to do with. Yes, we were beaten, but not "soundly."

But I think we'll both agree that it's altogether pointless at this juncture to argue over past battles. I'll reiterate my first point that if EOTED were to be attacked by the Imperium now, the Nenyans would not have that target, and would likewise not have the support of many who came to his aid the last time.

--Jay Reaven

Aboiut the only thing that really did us in, ultimately, was the fall of the Nargothrond which, incidentally, EOTED didnt even have anything to do with. Yes, we were beaten, but not "soundly."
I'll bloody well say EOTED had nothing to do with it.

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In addition, Lord Melkor's military has also in the past been soundly defeated by the Empire and its allies.

HA! Perhaps you should check your records. They will show a much higher casualty rate on the EOTED/Menelmacar side than on ours. Our infantry overran a fifth of Ax-Turath in less than a week.

Aboiut the only thing that really did us in, ultimately, was the fall of the Nargothrond which, incidentally, EOTED didnt even have anything to do with. Yes, we were beaten, but not "soundly."

But I think we'll both agree that it's altogether pointless at this juncture to argue over past battles. I'll reiterate my first point that if EOTED were to be attacked by the Imperium now, the Nenyans would not have that target, and would likewise not have the support of many who came to his aid the last time.

--Jay Reaven

What a selective memory you have.

The largest proportion of casualties suffered by the Empire in the Imperium-EOTED War was the loss of civilian life caused by the fall of the Nargothrond, which, equally as it had nothing to do with us, had nothing to do with you. It's not like you decided to de-orbit it before the then-allies of the Empire blasted it out of the sky, now, is it?

And I note that you were losing the Battle of the Bay quite soundly - and that we had not even moved to engage you on the ground at the time of the Nargothrond Incident.

The outcome of the War was, pre-Nargothrond, anything but certain. For either side.

~ Ambassador Dejure

Fair enough. Suffice to say that the true victor of that conflict was no more certain then than it is now. The Nenyans put up a fight the likes of which the Imperium has never seen, perhaps excepting the failed Brittanian landing on our shores years ago.

--Reaven

You will excuse my interjection, but the Ambassador is quite mistaken in his analysis of the Battle of the Bay.

The Vanguard was besting the Wretchen fleet quite convincingly, true enough, but the same could not be said with regard to Lord Melkor's gravfleets. Indeed it seemed as though the only reason the Vanguard stayed afloat was because they refrained from engaging it in any meaningful way.

Even after the Menelmacari gravfleet had entered into the equation there seemed to be little in it between either side- & only at that point did the Nargothrond bring the engagement to an end.

~The Voice


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{Sending response}

{Recipient: Vrak Diplomatic Corps}
{Re: Good intention}

If the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and you believe that, why even try be a force for stability? If the good side of will, be it the will of Humans, Elves, Nenyans, takes you to that lake of fire and damnation, why even try being good? Where then do bad intentions lead?

Yet good intentions is exactly what the Empire has displayed, and not for their own gain, but for that of international stability.

Perhaps you would like to display a list of actions you have taken in the cause of international stability?

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To: Milesia Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: good intentions

If the road to Hell is paved with good intentions and you believe that, why even try be a force for stability? If the good side of will, be it the will of Humans, Elves, Nenyans, takes you to that lake of fire and damnation, why even try being good? Where then do bad intentions lead?

Because there is a difference between good intentions and good actions.

Yet good intentions is exactly what the Empire has displayed, and not for their own gain, but for that of international stability.

If that is the case, then why the backlash? Face it, the good intentions of the Empire often creates more problems.

Perhaps you would like to display a list of actions you have taken in the cause of international stability?

Most happy to comply with your request:

1) Hosted the World Court that staved off a war between Menelmacar and Christofi
2) Send humanitarian aid to the human inhabitants of Raem afer the nuclear attack. Also sent humanitarian aid to other countries.
3) Through the UTP, sent disaster relief to the Drakonian Imperium. Currently in charge of the UTP disaster relief fund of which we were the prime movers in setting up.
4) In partnership with Santa Barbara, our TDP is used through Disaster Relief Inc.

Shall I go on? You won't find Vrak in its history declaring a nation a part of its empire in the interests of stability since we believe in national soveriegnty. As well, you didn't clarify for us what a "force of good" should be. Certainly you must have some kind of criteria.

You will excuse my interjection, but the Ambassador is quite mistaken in his analysis of the Battle of the Bay.

The Vanguard was besting the Wretchen fleet quite convincingly, true enough, but the same could not be said with regard to Lord Melkor's gravfleets. Indeed it seemed as though the only reason the Vanguard stayed afloat was because they refrained from engaging it in any meaningful way.

Even after the Menelmacari gravfleet had entered into the equation there seemed to be little in it between either side- & only at that point did the Nargothrond bring the engagement to an end.

~The Voice


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Twisting facts has always been a talent of yours, has it not?

It could quite easily be argued that the only reason that the gravships were still intact when the Nargothrond fell was that they had not been entirely engaged by either the Vanguard or the full might of the IDF AF. Without full engagement... arguments on either side are quite void.

~ Ambassador Dejure

For years the GDODAD has alerted the world to the danger that the EOTED poses to world security. Often the EOTED would go to war on a whim. Often EOTED violated soviergnty, sighting claims that "the safety of the world depended upon it." These claims were baseless, yet many lapdogs continuosly supported the imperialist scum. Many still continue, and I think it is either out of some sort of baseless fear, I am really not sure. But through the years, as EOTED has left many "allies" (possibly never really regarded as freinds by the EOTED, just an opportunity) out to dry, and many nations have realized the instability and uselessness of an alliance with EOTED. Also, many have realized that EOTED is nothing more than an Imperialist bully. LCS is glad to see this effort come forth. Perhaps the world is realising where true evil exists.

I am loathe to respond to the ravings of barbarians, as it oft proves fruitless; they lack the intellect to alter their viewpoints and opinions more often than not. However, I will point out that the Empire has never it its history pulled out of a bilateral alliance. Despite our recent withdrawal from the multilateral alliance of SATO - a decision taken with the best of intents and after a lengthy and complicated decision process including (rather unsatisfactory) consultation of SATO on those matters which drove us to the decision - we are and continue to be committed to our allies inside that organisation; of which there are several.

~ Ambassador Dejure

Ahh with your reply, you confirm at least one crime you are guilty of, arrogance. You have a feeling of superiority, and even treat allies as subservient.

Now in dealing with your claims as to the SATO story, I have a saying, there are 3 sides to every story, One story from one side, another from the other side, and than the truth. Perhaps the truth shall never really be learned on what happened. However I would like to say this, your allies are dwindleing. Be wary. Just a word of advice from an old advesary, nothing more, nothing less.

Twisting facts has always been a talent of yours, has it not?


I do not believe so, Ambassador. Is there there any evidence for what you claim?

It could quite easily be argued that the only reason that the gravships were still intact when the Nargothrond fell was that they had not been entirely engaged by either the Vanguard or the full might of the IDF AF.

I respectfully disagree, Ambassador. A number of gravships did take the trouble to strike at the Vanguard at one point, & left it in quite the state. It was at this point that it shyed away from the battle to engage secondary targets that it knew it could handily best. The M#s too, whilst formibable in their way, had no real advantage over the Imperium's Ravens on a one on one basis, & the Xao-Angband crafts' numerical superiority led to the AF's also shying away from the Imperial fleet to engage irrelevant secondary- even tertiary -targets that it had woefully outmatched.

All in all I do not believe that any military historian could truthfully claim the Battle of the Bay as an EOTED victory- indeed, it would seem that it was headed toward a rather decisive loss up until the Nargothrond scattered Imperium & allied forces- destroying some two hundred EOTED submersibles in the process, if I am not very much mistaken.

~The Voice


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Twisting facts has always been a talent of yours, has it not?


I do not believe so, Ambassador. Is there there any evidence for what you claim?

It could quite easily be argued that the only reason that the gravships were still intact when the Nargothrond fell was that they had not been entirely engaged by either the Vanguard or the full might of the IDF AF.

I respectfully disagree, Ambassador. A number of gravships did take the trouble to strike at the Vanguard at one point, & left it in quite the state. It was at this point that it shyed away from the battle to engage secondary targets that it knew it could handily best. The M#s too, whilst formibable in their way, had no real advantage over the Imperium's Ravens on a one on one basis, & the Xao-Angband crafts' numerical superiority led to the AF's also shying away from the Imperial fleet to engage irrelevant secondary- even tertiary -targets that it had woefully outmatched.

All in all I do not believe that any military historian could truthfully claim the Battle of the Bay as an EOTED victory- indeed, it would seem that it was headed toward a rather decisive loss up until the Nargothrond scattered Imperium & allied forces- destroying some two hundred EOTED submersibles in the process, if I am not very much mistaken.

~The Voice


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You may disagree all you wish, but disagreement does not mean correctness. I was at the Battle of the Bay; you, I'm afraid, were not. Only a handful of IDF AF strike aircraft bothered to involve themselves in the Battle of the Bay; the majority of whom were assigned to the Vanguard as a fighter screen. As for the Vanguard being left in a 'woeful' state by a gravship assault, I must say that you do have something of a memory problem.

As for numerical superiority... as the vast majority of the IDF AF remained inside the Empire, kept in reserve, I fail to see how your claim of Melkorian Alliance air superiority holds up. Firstly, air superiority was held and maintained by the Empire over the Bay for the entirety of the conflict. Secondly, EOTED and her allies were the only ones able to communicate, thanks to comms scrambling by EOTED assets. I fail to see, therefore, how any account by the Melkorian Alliance can be anywhere near approaching accurate; you had no eyes with which to see.

The only succesful strike against the Vanguard - discounting the Battlestation which happened to land on its Barrier Device field - was indeed by a gravship. However, that was a single missile - I remember it quite well, because I was on the IDS Vanguard when she was struck.

Furthermore, although the Ravens - a name stolen from the old Raven class EOTED air destroyers, I might add - were formidable foes, they were no match for the M#s. Indeed, the only aircraft even today that can be considered to be 'on par' with the M# is the Menelmacari Thoron - a fact that, as yet, has not been disputed by any.

In short, Lord Sauron, I suggest you attempt to weave your lies elsewhere. Your past is well known to us. Take your forked tongue elsewhere; for you are irrelevant - you are nothing but the doted-upon pet of Morgoth.

~ High King Semir-randil I

Ahh with your reply, you confirm at least one crime you are guilty of, arrogance. You have a feeling of superiority, and even treat allies as subservient.

Now in dealing with your claims as to the SATO story, I have a saying, there are 3 sides to every story, One story from one side, another from the other side, and than the truth. Perhaps the truth shall never really be learned on what happened. However I would like to say this, your allies are dwindleing. Be wary. Just a word of advice from an old advesary, nothing more, nothing less.

Arrogance? Not at all. You are barbarians. Indeed, you admitted your barbarism; perhaps you have inferior memories, also.

I utterly fail to see the arrogance of stating that you are barbarians, and, by that statement, inferring inferiority, therefore. How can it be arrogance if you admit it?

As for SATO - the evidence to back up my statement regarding the consultation and lengthy decision process lies with SATO itself. If they are claiming otherwise, that is their problem. However, as I have seen no such claims by the organisation itself, I will merely assume that you are attempting to stir up trouble.

And finally... adversary? You were never an adversary of the Empire of the Eternal Dawn. I recall that, once, you postured and puffed out your chest, but that your cowardice overrode your desire to enter conflict with us - and you backed down. Hardly a worthy adversary.

And our allies are hardly dwindling, barbarian.

~ Ambassador Dejure

Doted upon? You honour us. You will note, however, that I am not the Lord Sauron, merely a humble & willing servant, so addressing him in correspondence to myself is somewhat pointless in nature.

Not to suggest that it would be appropriate for his Lordship to be the one to bandy words with you, of course- after all, as my estimable colleague Mr Reaven might point out, you are little more than Rihad's "bitch" (though I am pleased to note that our we suddenly became significant enough to warrant being upgraded from Mr Dejure).

Whether you were there or not, though, it is of no consequence. I- or more specifically the military High Command -have been able to study the battle from a historian's point of view. Distracted neither by the chaos of battle nor blinded by the fear it is known to produce among certain...individuals...we can safely conclude that damage dealt to the Vanguard was the result of a salvo of depleted uranium slug shells, rather than a lone ballistic missile.

With your being so compellingly wrong on that count alone, nevermind the fact that you seem to think a classification so widely used as Raven was somehow your Kingdom's original creation, I am lead to believe that, in your mind, the Battle of the Bay has come to be something that it was not.

Perhaps the mindset bred by generations of Nenyan arrogance simply cannot cope with unfortunate truths?

~The Voice


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Because there is a difference between good intentions and good actions.

Yes there is, yet good intentions have led to good actions, to me the AMF situation stands out in this case. And just as you, and as far as I recall, the Empire was very generous to relief organisations, a SATO one in particular.


If that is the case, then why the backlash? Face it, the good intentions of the Empire often creates more problems.

I personally don't understand the backlash, though as someone has explained earlier, this was partially due to a rebuff by the Empire.


Most happy to comply with your request:

1) Hosted the World Court that staved off a war between Menelmacar and Christofi
2) Send humanitarian aid to the human inhabitants of Raem after the nuclear attack. Also sent humanitarian aid to other countries.
3) Through the UTP, sent disaster relief to the Drakonian Imperium. Currently in charge of the UTP disaster relief fund of which we were the prime movers in setting up.
4) In partnership with Santa Barbara, our TDP is used through Disaster Relief Inc.

Shall I go on? You won't find Vrak in its history declaring a nation a part of its empire in the interests of stability since we believe in national sovereignty. As well, you didn't clarify for us what a "force of good" should be. Certainly you must have some kind of criteria.

Yes, we do have criteria. A force for good is one that promotes the general security of the world, sometimes ignoring national sovereignty as it is the right thing to do to save lives.

Words are useful for when little blackbirds argue, but for when eagles do?

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Well, we have had one or two friendly relations with Ma-Tek. But, exactly WHAT has Mat-ek done that is so bad? Answer me that, and I may yet remain neutral. But a declaration of war without a reason, well, that grates well against Aquillan foreign policy.

Again, there is no declaration of war here. Please reread the first post for further information.

Indeed, no declaration of war. But cancellation of trade, and a great many other hostile gestures...pray tell WHAT did they do that was so wrong.

Aquilla wrote:
Well, we have had one or two friendly relations with Ma-Tek. But, exactly WHAT has Mat-ek done that is so bad? Answer me that, and I may yet remain neutral. But a declaration of war without a reason, well, that grates well against Aquillan foreign policy.


To: Aquilla Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps

Does the unilateral declaration declaring AMF to be a part of the EOTED in recent history escape your memory?

Indeed, I think it does. Maybe you can refresh my memory (ie FIND A LINK?)

Indeed, I think it does. Maybe you can refresh my memory (ie FIND A LINK?)

One of the threads regarding the AMF situation...

EOTED Issues Demands "For Justice" To Automagfreek (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981&highlight=)

Hope you don't mind me butting in, I just had some free time.

To: Milesia Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: intentions

Most interesting. When pressed, you finally name one criterion as to what is "good" and it involves violating a nation's sovereignty. What is this "greater good" that you claim to know about? Who decides what consitutes this "good"? What is its agenda? Tell us, do you think you have the wisdom to pass judgement upon how a nation ought to find its path in the universe? Good intentions do not always result in good actions.

As well, the backlash towards the EOTED is hardly restricted to their latest stunts, as I'm sure you would be aware. Basically, many nations feel that the EOTED is most hypocritical in their words and deeds. That is, to promote "stability" they declare a sovereign country as part of their empire. Not to mention the act of deploying satellites over Reich territory without asking permission. Let's not bring up ancient history in which they destroyed the capital of Russian Forces. Perhaps you can explain to us what gave them that right? Who voted EOTED to be the policeman?

Besides, many countries give out humanitarian aid. The fact that the EOTED is generous to a relief agency that is part of an organization of which is a member of is nice, but hardly noteworthy. We ourselves are in charge of a relief organization and in partnership with Santa Barbara (through Disaster Relief Inc.) put our technologies out on the frontlines to help the needy. After all, clean drinking water is hard to come by in disasters but TDP tech solves that problem.

Essentially, this little blackbird feels that some eagles lack substance.


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To: Aquilla Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: the AMF situation - archive search

Indeed, here is the information you require:

The Empire of the Eternal Dawn hereby demands that the Empire of AMF immediately and without pause does henceforth follow the regulations set out in this statement:

1. Automagfreek will, without undue expanse of time between acceptance and enactment, follow the letter and wording of these demands to the letter.
2. Automagfreek will, within the bounds of reasonability, reduce its armed forces to a size approximately 5% of its current armed forces size.
3. Automagfreek will, within the bounds of reasonability, provide all and any evidence within its possession that supports/damages the building case against that nation for undue and erroneous global activities/crimes against sentients/genocide. Failure to comply will result in the information being extracted by EOTED forces.
4. Automagfreek will, for eternity, become a vassal state to the Empire of the Eternal Dawn, with all rights and privelages that come with that status.
5. Automagfreek will swear fealty to the Empress.
6. Automagfreek will make no effort to resist should the Empire feel it necessary to occupy that nation. Should resistance occur, the Empire will use any means necessary to end the rebellion.
7. Automagfreek is henceforth considered a territory aligned with the Empire of the Eternal Dawn.

~ Ambassador Relhatti

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79981

Issuing demands, forcing fealty, and considering a sovereign nation already a part of its territory is for the "greater good"?


OOC: Don't you capitalize and boldface to me. Ever. Understand?

"Um... I think we'll sit this one out..." Prince Alexander ripped the information sheet to pieces and tossed it in the fire.

OOC: Or, tag.

The only succesful strike against the Vanguard - discounting the Battlestation which happened to land on its Barrier Device field - was indeed by a gravship. However, that was a single missile - I remember it quite well, because I was on the IDS Vanguard when she was struck.

OOC: Actually you are wrong. The Vanguard was struck with an anti-ship missile, one of many launched at it by my fleet, which did not include any gravships.

You clearly do not know of that which you speak. This discussion is at an end; you are irrelevant, little one - only my own desire to stave off marginal boredom has lead me to personally respond to your lies and twisting of the truth.

Go play elsewhere.

~ High King Semir-randil I




[OOC: Thanks for the correction, Wretchengard. 'Twas an OOC error, not an IC one, and so I'll correct it accordingly.

Oh, and Vrak: the Moscow Incident isn't a valid piece of evidence against the Empire, as it is not acknowledged by Russian Forces. Moscow is still standing. If the attack had happened, it wouldn't be.]

I think that we all know which one of us it is that dosen't know what they're talking about, Majesty. I will, however, spare your ego further damage, & refrain from spelling it out. A gesture of goodwill, you might say. After all, Christmas fast approaches!

Still, I am concerned that someone so "important" as yourself should find the time to do the work of a junior diplomat. I can't imagine one of your impressive status ever being in a position where he might grow so bored.

I wonder, perhaps, if the power of the Royal Court is not what once it was?

~The Voice

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[Sauron, Ma-Tek: knock it off. This is getting ridiculous. Trying to change each other's minds about the Battle of the Bay makes about as much sense as trying to dam the Nile with a handful of sand. It just won't work in a million years.

Semir [if I may use mIRC names :) ], you were correct in assuming that LSR was flaming you. I noticed that you, however, were the one who transplanted the argument from IC to OOC. I'm not going to lock the thread or anything [yet] but if this continues I will. If you absolutely MUST keep arguing about this, take it up in TMs where we can't see it. Just try and keep it clean here.

LSR: Stop flaming, damn it! youre giving us a bad name! :oops:
EOTED: Try not to take IC arguments OOC. I know it can get to be about the most damn frustrating thing [and god knows I've done it], but you really got to try and fight that stuff. Sauron will always be convinced that we were winning that battle. Hell, I'll probably keep thinking that ICly too. Don't let it get to ya :wink: ]

Ah, I see. That might be cause for economic sanctions...

..save for the fact that the incident occured fully two months ago. If you had wanted to do something about that, you should have done it sooner.

You still do not have my support.

OOC: Are you speaking to me Aquilla? If so, then...

IC:

To: Aquilla Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: garnering support

We do not seek your support but only to educate you since we give you the benefit of the doubt to draw your own conclusions. A full search on your part would reveal that the demands issued by EOTED to AMF as previously made available nearly caused a major war. From our point of view, economic sanctions on EOTED products (and at last count we have none in the Kingdom) would hardly stop them from invading AMF. More sterner measures were undertaken since that crisis ballooned nearly out of control.

If you seek further enlightenment, feel free to communicate with this office.

*rubs temples*

Hokay, all the OOC crap has been removed, as well as any logical cause for complaint. People will still complain, but they always do... even if I simply go in and do what the author of the thread asks.

--Scolo

ooc: and now easier to read. thanks scolo!

"Well, I don't see any cause for anything. Besides, trade sanctions are bad for business."

-Wuzzonoa

"They're elven infidels. Kill them."

-Grebenesia

"Let them nuke each other to pieces, at least we're safe in the Sirius Star System."

-Aquilla

"They're orcish infidels. Kill them."

-New Aquilla

"Perhaps now would be the time to offer our services as mercenaries."

-the Arterian River

"Who's more conservative? They've got our support."

-Karl Rove Rocks

"Who need either of they're lousy products? The People's Republic can stand by itself! Trade sanctions on both of them!"

-Krutenmiyyer

Responses from me and some of my puppets.