United Kurdistan declares independence
United Kurdistan
03-12-2003, 04:23
Today, on the 2nd of December 2003 the Republic of United Kurdistan declares independence of all Kurdish territories. Too long have the Kurds been oppressed by their neighbors. The time for self determination is upon us. Free United Kurdistan!
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Kurdistan.... Kurdistan.... My beautiful Homeland!
May you live in happiness
Free and Independent
Live On! Live On! Live On!
High and defiant mountain peaks
White slopes under the burning sun
Serene plains...
Rushing streams
Great, bountiful forests
Paradise on earth
Nest of happiness
Home of abundance
Instigator of revelation and inspiration
Kurdistan.... Kurdistan....
My beautiful Homeland!
Live On! Live On! Live On
I foresee trouble with the Turks.
imported_The Opressive Church
03-12-2003, 04:25
Um, congratz? You just seriously pissed off Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, 3 of the 4 power bases of the Middle East... I wouldn't call that a success...
So what, Iran's troops suck, their "Elite" Revolutionary Guard is led by a bunch of priests who have no command experience, and their normal forces aren't all that good either, the Iraqis aren't much better, last I checked, the most modern stuff in either nation's Armed Forces is 1960s.
Cartoria
03-12-2003, 04:29
you're country will cumble (you are too small to go to war buddy otherwise its um godmoding). Watch as the atomic bombs vaporize you
I'd help the Kurds myself.
Cartoria
03-12-2003, 04:37
:twisted: i'll bet you would fall in a week :twisted:
:twisted: i'll bet you would fall in a week :twisted: Somehow I doubt my nation could be defeated, even against Iraq, Iran, and Turkey together, your nation might however, as it is much smaller than mine.
The Evil Overlord
03-12-2003, 04:51
So what, Iran's troops suck, their "Elite" Revolutionary Guard is led by a bunch of priests who have no command experience, and their normal forces aren't all that good either, the Iraqis aren't much better, last I checked, the most modern stuff in either nation's Armed Forces is 1960s.
Much as my personal OOC sympathies might be with the Kurds, the worst of their problems will be the Turks- like always.
Turks- like the Iranians- are not Arabs. Their country's economy perfectly fits the description of "Basket Case", but they have a very long military tradition. Turkish soldiers are extremely tough, better-armed than most other near-eastern nations, and past masters of getting the most out of the equipment at hand (for example, the Turks were successfully flying F-104 Starfighters as interceptors decades after the US Air Force gave up on them as too dangerous and too expensive. Oddly enough, the Turkish pilots safely operated the Starfighter without the spectacular crashes that plagued the USAF).
The Turks were invited to join NATO primarily because Cold War planners thought it would a very good thing- strategically- to have a bunch of really tough and scary bastards who hate communists on the southwestern borders of the USSR. The Turks were always a problem, though: when they weren't starting wars with the Greeks, they were threatening to go rampaging over the border into Georgia chasing communist guerrillas- with or without NATO's help.
Furthermore, despite their membership in NATO, Turks are not fond of what most Western countries call the "Laws of War". The Turkish Law of War is basically: "Whatever it takes to win."
American and British (among others) units will risk additional friendly casualties in order to avoid unnecessary collateral damage. The Turks are far more practical. This means that Turkish military units are not particularly concerned if they have to gun down several hundred screaming civilians if that's what it takes to get the five or six enemy gunmen hiding in the middle of the civilians.
Fortunately, this is not real life, so you have as good a chance as anybody else.
Thus endeth the history lesson.
United Kurdistan, while I can't support you militarily, I support your motion for independence. Sic semper tyranis!
I am prepared to conquer Turkey to protect the Kurds, the Turks may now consider themselves warned.
OOC: Last time I checked, in the NS world, there is no Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Peru, American, Canada, etc, etc. So how can this nation declare independence from non-existent nations?
OOC: Hrm... Well, let's see. Al Anbar is actually Syria and Iraq united. Al Anbar is ruled by Saddam Hussein. I don't think United Kurdistan will last for long.
IC:
Ministry of Information
Al Anbar laughs at the pitiful 'United Kurdistan'. Al Anbar remains united with both the KDP and PUK in support of our government. We dismiss this joke.
OOC: Hrm... Well, let's see. Al Anbar is actually Syria and Iraq united. Al Anbar is ruled by Saddam Hussein. I don't think United Kurdistan will last for long. I disagree.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 05:06
you're country will cumble (you are too small to go to war buddy otherwise its um godmoding). Watch as the atomic bombs vaporize you
OOC: He can fight a guerllila campagne... for that matter try telling any real nation of 5 000 000 they can't fight anyone, prepare to be laughed at.
IC:
Haaregradia offers full support for the Kurdish Liberation Movement, economic, diplomatic and military. Please send us stats on your armed forces and anyway we can assist in improving their combat capabilities.
Tanah Burung
03-12-2003, 05:15
Congratulations to United Kurdistan on its independence, so long overdue.
(ooc: the Kurds have had one of the rawest deals going. They should have been given their own state years ago. But isn't that sea access corridor a bit dicey in ethnic distribution terms?)
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 05:19
Congratulations to United Kurdistan on its independence, so long overdue.
(ooc: the Kurds have had one of the rawest deals going. They should have been given their own state years ago. But isn't that sea access corridor a bit dicey in ethnic distribution terms?)
OOC:
Yeah, I made the map for him, but I conceeded other land, and after a bit of research it still has a significant Kurdish minority. Good eye. ;)
imported_The Opressive Church
03-12-2003, 05:21
The Kurds were not given their own nation back in 1924, when the Ottoman's territories were spliced up, because Kurds were in Turkey, and Britain and France did not want to make a fragile new Turkish Government have a very hostile neighbor, who wanted revenge.
The Kurds were going to get their own state, but then WWII happened, and it was postponed, and then Israel was created, and the west thought Israel was enough 'tampuring' in that region for them to do right then.
By the time the west was prepared to give the Kurds their own state again, the middle east was out of Western Control.
And yes, that sea access is total Ethnic Violation. Kurds are NOT over there, those are Syrians, and Turks... But nevertheless, we're happy their's a little less oppression on one Ethnicality in the world today.
How dare the rogue nations of Soviet Haaregrad and Tanah Burung support such terrorists. Al Anbar demands an immediate retraction of your military and economical support for this 'United Kurdistan' which does not actually exist within the borders of Al Anbar (Syria & Iraq), but which has now threatened to wage a war for land which is not theirs.
Kecha offers economical, military, and political support for United Kurdistan, and recognizes them as a Free Sovereign State.
Jeruselem
03-12-2003, 05:26
Don't go asking us for help being an Israel (except our economy is not propped by the US)
Teritora
03-12-2003, 05:27
We reconize United Kurdistan as a fee and indepentant country and offer economic and Political surport.
Teritora
03-12-2003, 05:29
Don't go asking us for help being an Israel (except our economy is not propped by the US)
Of course not, your the last Crusader state, you upset the Muslims enough as is.
Kecha proposes all nations activley supporting the Kurds link together as a temporary Coalition to ensure the total freedom of the Kurds.
New York and Jersey
03-12-2003, 05:29
The Federal Republic of New York and New Jersey welcomes United Kurdistan to the international community. We will be willing to offer your nation economic as well as military assistance if you should need it. We are sure that no nation on God's green earth would be dumb enough to attack your country, however we still extend our offer provided you can maintain decent levels in both civil and political rights. We can not support oppressive regimes. But we will gladly support semi- and open democracies. Once again welcome to the world stage.
Secretary of State
Joseph Cortilliari
Federal Republic of New York and New Jersey
Teritora
03-12-2003, 05:30
Sounds good, even if our king just got murdered by TLPA assassins.
United Kurdistan
03-12-2003, 05:30
The Kurdish people thank all who support them in their struggle for freedom. Please Saddam, please do not gas us again. All we want is the right to determine our own futures. Do not bring suffering to the Kurdish people. By allowing Chemical Ali to murder us at Halabja our blood is on your hands! Repent now so that you might not find damnation in Allah's eyes. Free the Kurdish people, we seek not revenge, only freedom.
Don't say "Please Saddam" like that, he is not worthy of your politeness! Saddam must know that if he gasses the Kurds, he will suffer worse, as will his people.
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
As long as the terrorist organization 'United Kurdistan' keeps within their borders in Turkey and Iran, we have no problem with an independent Kurdish state. We have reassurances from both the People's Union of Kurdistan, led by Jalal Talibani, and the Kurdish Democratic Party, led by Barzani, that they will stand with us to defend their Kurdish land in Al Anbar.
Because if they won't their families die, right? *derisive snort*
Teritora
03-12-2003, 05:37
OOC:Love that information Minster :wink:. The Americans are inside bagdad and the leaders familes got guns to their heads to make them agree of course.
Jeruselem
03-12-2003, 05:37
I'm not looking forward to a war near my borders, but I don't seem to have much a choice. We don't like Saddam much either, but it could be to our benefit.
OOC:Love that information Minster :wink:. The Americans are inside bagdad and the leaders familes got guns to their heads to make them agree of course.
OOC: Stop making fun of Al Sahhaf.
I'm not looking forward to a war near my borders, but I don't seem to have much a choice. We don't like Saddam much either, but it could be to our benefit. Rest assured, peoples of Jerusalem, if a war breaks out, we will do what wecan to keep it from harming your nation.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 05:38
Haaregradia will, to ensure the freedom of the Kurdish people send the Marx class dreadnought HNS Che Guervara and the aircraft carrier HNS Ural, supported by the battlecruiser HNS Hecate along with their full battlegroups in a show of force.
Saddam, while in the past we have been on friendly terms you must now allow these people freedom, to deny them is a risk you cannot bear to take.
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Bam Margera, Minister of Defense and Security
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-10/422994/bamsig.jpg
OOC:
It's been awhile NYnJ, nice to see you're joining this RP(even if so far only barely)
New York and Jersey
03-12-2003, 05:38
Ministry of Foreign Affairs
As long as the terrorist organization 'United Kurdistan' keeps within their borders in Turkey and Iran, we have no problem with an independent Kurdish state. We have reassurances from both the People's Union of Kurdistan, led by Jalal Talibani, and the Kurdish Democratic Party, led by Barzani, that they will stand with us to defend their Kurdish land in Al Anbar.
With alittle marvel of television editing, military intelligence put the following out on the national television for the enjoyment of others..."Wanna know why the Kurds will help?Because if they dont. I'll KEEELL them. Thats right...KEEEELLL them.Now what street did you say you wanted me to drive to again?"
Of course none of it was real and it was all done in parody but it was created through the use of Federal Republic computers,money and intelligence files.
Because if they won't their families die, right? *derisive snort*
The Kurdish groups enjoy great autonomity (just like they did during the US invasion of Iraq in 2003). We have allowed the Kurds to govern their land as they see fit. They wish to keep their independence.
We have allowed the Kurds to govern their land as they see fit. Yeah, that's what other people see, we are considering sending forces to a nearby nation.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 05:42
Because if they won't their families die, right? *derisive snort*
The Kurdish groups enjoy great autonomity (just like they did during the US invasion of Iraq in 2003). We have allowed the Kurds to govern their land as they see fit. They wish to keep their independence.
Yo mah, lettum go, all dats gonna happen if yall dunt iz a beatdown on yo ass. Maybe we ca' make a deal? Sounds cool?
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Eazy-E, Minister of Foreign Affairs
http://www.eazy-e.com/pictures/15.jpg
RIP Eric Wright 1964-1995
Teritora
03-12-2003, 05:43
OOC:Love that information Minster :wink:. The Americans are inside bagdad and the leaders familes got guns to their heads to make them agree of course.
OOC: Stop making fun of Al Sahhaf.
OOC: Its just that I concider saddam and many ranking officals in his government to be dishonorable scum or I just didn't have a high opnion of them.
OOC:Love that information Minster :wink:. The Americans are inside bagdad and the leaders familes got guns to their heads to make them agree of course.
OOC: Stop making fun of Al Sahhaf.
OOC: Its just that I concider saddam and many ranking officals in his government to be dishonorable scum. OOC: Ditto.
OOC:Love that information Minster :wink:. The Americans are inside bagdad and the leaders familes got guns to their heads to make them agree of course.
OOC: Stop making fun of Al Sahhaf.
OOC: Its just that I concider saddam and many ranking officals in his government to be dishonorable scum or I just didn't have a high opnion of them.
OOC: Good for you. I consider certain officials in the American government dishonorable scum.
OOC: Good for you. I consider certain officials in the American government dishonorable scum. OOC: Ditto, noone's perfect, but we don't torture our people in the US for not doing what we want, the Iraqi government could not honestly say the same thing.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 05:46
Don't go asking us for help being an Israel (except our economy is not propped by the US)
OOC:
Do you RP with a free Palestine? If so Kurdistan has oil, Israel somehow got screwed into fighting over the only part of the Middle East without any oil... there might be grounds for a deal. ;)
OOC: Good for you. I consider certain officials in the American government dishonorable scum. OOC: Ditto, noone's perfect, but we don't torture our people in the US for not doing what we want, the Iraqi government could not honestly say the same thing.
OOC: You're a sad case. You're one of those people that actually believe all of that propaganda spewed out by Bush and his allies. :(
Teritora
03-12-2003, 05:51
OOC:From what I understand, they the last crusader state, they didn't get taken out by the Muslims so they would have all that was part of the Crusader state of Jeruselem.
Teritora
03-12-2003, 05:52
OOC: Good for you. I consider certain officials in the American government dishonorable scum. OOC: Ditto, noone's perfect, but we don't torture our people in the US for not doing what we want, the Iraqi government could not honestly say the same thing.
OOC: You're a sad case. You're one of those people that actually believe all of that propaganda spewed out by Bush and his allies. :(
OOC:Right... :roll:
OOC: Good for you. I consider certain officials in the American government dishonorable scum. OOC: Ditto, noone's perfect, but we don't torture our people in the US for not doing what we want, the Iraqi government could not honestly say the same thing.
OOC: You're a sad case. You're one of those people that actually believe all of that propaganda spewed out by Bush and his allies. :( OOC: Noone can convince me Bush is not a good man with what's been spewed thus far, prove to me he is corrupt, and I'll lead a revolt and depose him personally, untill then...
Anyhow, I'm tired, and must go to sleep.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 06:04
OOC:
Al Anbar: TG check ;)
IC:
The Haaregradian vessels are bound for the Medterranian. If any Kurdish ports are available then foreign aid will begin to be delivered to the Kurdish people to ensure their nation gets off to a good start.
From Rudolph Salarzaske, Prime Minister of the Confederacy of Darmir
To the people of United Kurdistan.
I, with the permission and full support of Darmir's Parliament, have been authorized to publicly state that the Confederacy of Darmir officially recognizes United Kurdistan and will offer economic and political support to United Kurdistan. We will also send political aides to that nation in helping them form their government and advising them on economic, civil, and military policies.
It is with great pride that we make this statement, knowing all too well the destructive force of oppressive governments, and the necessity at times to throw off the shackles of brutal leaders far away in favor of a free republic.
We hope that Iraq, Iran, and Syria will respect the new nation of United Kurdistan and will not make any aggressive moves to stamp out this beacon of freedom in such a dark land. It should be said that the international community would look at such a move as an act of war against freedom loving peoples the world over. It is well documented how the Kurds have been mistreated and I see no reason why they must continue to live in oppression.
In a few days my government will propose that the United Nations officially recognize United Kurdistan and take steps to insure the proper development of a fine democratic republic in that nation, and it's protection against those that might seek to put the Kurds under their thumbs again.
So it is written, so let it be done,
R. Salarzaske
P.M. Confederacy of Darmir
High Office of the Confederacy
OOC:
Al Anbar: TG check ;)
IC:
The Haaregradian vessels are bound for the Medterranian. If any Kurdish ports are available then foreign aid will begin to be delivered to the Kurdish people to ensure their nation gets off to a good start.
OOC: TG for you.
imported_The Opressive Church
03-12-2003, 06:21
Okay, you have the Muslims bickering, and the Jews nearby worrying. So I just thought you good go for some good old Christianity butting in.
"You're all Condemned to hell. God Bless."
Just Joking!
Greece and Crete will open it's ports for any foreign Ships stationed in the Mediterranean. The cost will be minimal to dock here.
OOC: (Cold Wars and delicate situations make for great Capitalising)
IC:
Greece and Crete will also fully back Jeruselem in any invasion of Israel, or any threat to Israel in this situation.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 06:30
OOC:
Al Anbar: TG check ;)
IC:
The Haaregradian vessels are bound for the Medterranian. If any Kurdish ports are available then foreign aid will begin to be delivered to the Kurdish people to ensure their nation gets off to a good start.
OOC: TG for you.
OOC:
Replied.
OOC:
Al Anbar: TG check ;)
IC:
The Haaregradian vessels are bound for the Medterranian. If any Kurdish ports are available then foreign aid will begin to be delivered to the Kurdish people to ensure their nation gets off to a good start.
OOC: TG for you.
OOC:
Replied.
OOC: Replied.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 06:34
[quote=Soviet Haaregrad]OOC:
Al Anbar: TG check ;)
OOC: TG for you.
OOC:
Replied.
OOC: Replied.
OOC: What ^^ he said.
OOC: Okay, from now on, unless stated otherwise, everything here are telegrams between me and Soviet. So, no responding.
IC:
While we cherish our friendship, we will once again say this: We will not negotiate with the terrorist organization 'United Kurdistan'. We do not care whether they have somesort of 'free elections' within their organization, but as long as they do not bother Al Anbar, we will not bother them. Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan are led by the PUK and KDP and we will only speak with them, as they are the leaders of our Kurdistan area, which has been given autonomy.
Signed,
Foreign Affairs Minister
Western Asia
03-12-2003, 06:39
OOC: I'd love to be involved, but it looks like Jerusalem beat me to it in this RP.
OOC: I'd love to be involved, but it looks like Jerusalem beat me to it in this RP.
OOC: Well, it doesn't really matter, since you can't interfere with my stuff anyway. Remember the treaty... :D
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 06:44
OOC: Okay, from now on, unless stated otherwise, everything here are telegrams between me and Soviet. So, no responding.
IC:
While we cherish our friendship, we will once again say this: We will not negotiate with the terrorist organization 'United Kurdistan'. We do not care whether they have somesort of 'free elections' within their organization, but as long as they do not bother Al Anbar, we will not bother them. Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan are led by the PUK and KDP and we will only speak with them, as they are the leaders of our Kurdistan area, which has been given autonomy.
Signed,
Foreign Affairs Minister
Allowing elections is the only true way to let the Kurdish people speak their voice. Offer them a referendium on the topic and they will speak. If United Kurdistan does not win support to form a state then they will renounce their declaration. Surely this is the best way to determine the future course of the region, through democracy.
Western Asia
03-12-2003, 06:45
OOC: It doesn't apply to me helping forces that seek independence...I might just be supporting, say, the groups that are gaining their freedom from Turkey (Although, theoretically, ADK mostly controls Turkey) or Iran. It's not really "no interference" it's "no military support of insurgents or assaulting groups."
:twisted:
(still a moot point in the end)
We cannot do that, as Iraqi Kurdistan is an autonomous region. We do not govern the region, the elected Kurdish politicians from both the KDP and PUK do. They were elected by the Kurdish people themselves. Neither the KDP nor the PUK wish to break away from Al Anbar, nor do the people. Therefore, we will protect them with all our might.
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 06:50
We cannot do that, as Iraqi Kurdistan is an autonomous region. We do not govern the region, the elected Kurdish politicians from both the KDP and PUK do. They were elected by the Kurdish people themselves. Neither the KDP nor the PUK wish to break away from Al Anbar, nor do the people. Therefore, we will protect them with all our might.
When was the last election in the region?
We cannot do that, as Iraqi Kurdistan is an autonomous region. We do not govern the region, the elected Kurdish politicians from both the KDP and PUK do. They were elected by the Kurdish people themselves. Neither the KDP nor the PUK wish to break away from Al Anbar, nor do the people. Therefore, we will protect them with all our might.
When was the last election in the region?
The last election within Iraqi Kurdistan was in 1999. They are elected for six years. Results from the election, conducted by the Kurdish groups with the American infidel support:
Parliament:
KDP - 48.95%
PUK - 40.59%
PDP - 7.00%
KSP - 3.34%
IND - 0.12%
Leadership:
KDP - M. Barzani - 53.43%
PUK - J. Talibani - 44.61%
PDP - A. Aziz - 1.06%
KSP - M. Othman - 0.90%
United Kurdistan
03-12-2003, 07:06
We are holding a referendium in all Kurdish regions to determine their stance on joining a United Kurdish Republic. Any provinces that do not give majority support will not be entitled to join. This will include Kurds from Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Following this we will draft our constitution and then hold elections to select our first democratically elected governement. Please support these actions to further global democracy.
We are holding a referendium in all Kurdish regions to determine their stance on joining a United Kurdish Republic. Any provinces that do not give majority support will not be entitled to join. This will include Kurds from Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Following this we will draft our constitution and then hold elections to select our first democratically elected governement. Please support these actions to further global democracy.
Ministry of Foregin Affairs
We have advised the Kurdish government to boycott this terrorist "referendium" and will be doing so ourself.
Response from elected-Kurdish Government in Iraqi Kurdistan
We are puzzled over this "referendium" as only the elected government of Iraqi Kurdistan may call one. This "United Kurdistan" is not the elected government of Iraqi Kurdistan and therefore cannot call such a referendium. They do not even have members in the Parliament!
Soviet Haaregrad
03-12-2003, 07:11
OOC:
I'm off to bed now, expect a response here IC tommorow...
Jeruselem
03-12-2003, 07:11
Don't go asking us for help being an Israel (except our economy is not propped by the US)
OOC:
Do you RP with a free Palestine? If so Kurdistan has oil, Israel somehow got screwed into fighting over the only part of the Middle East without any oil... there might be grounds for a deal. ;)
Oil wells are a nice addition to the economy ...
OOC: What've I missed here?
OOC: What've I missed here?
OOC: Just some secret telegrams between me and Soviet. Nothing else.
United Kurdistan
04-12-2003, 05:11
The results of the open, fair referendium are in. The people have spoken overwhelmingly in support of Kurdish unity and statehood. Therefore we must continue with our drive for sovereignty.
We hope we will have warm relations with the Al Anbari people.
Additionally we will begin selling oil and 5% below OPEC prices to nations willing to support us. This will only last until we have built up an economic base large enough to support ourselves.
The Kurds have spoken, freedom is their choice.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100069
The results of the open, fair referendium are in. The people have spoken overwhelmingly in support of Kurdish unity and statehood. Therefore we must continue with our drive for sovereignty.
We hope we will have warm relations with the Al Anbari people.
Additionally we will begin selling oil and 5% below OPEC prices to nations willing to support us. This will only last until we have built up an economic base large enough to support ourselves.
The Kurds have spoken, freedom is their choice.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=100069
We have no problems with an independent Kurdish state from land from Turkey and Iran. There will be no such state within Al Anbar as the Kurdish people here do not wish it.
Congratulations on your independence from Turkey and Iran.
Teritora
04-12-2003, 05:19
No offense but sense all the world know that Saddam Hussian and his cohorts are dishonorable murdering scum we can not belive anything that comes from them.
Princess Lina, tempary Regent of Teritora and head of Foriegn Affairs.
Soviet Haaregrad
04-12-2003, 05:34
Congrats on liberty United Kurdistan. May we direct you to the MAP program? Haaregradian arms companies await your orders. Working with us we will help Kurdistan become a Middle Eastern utopia.
OOC:
TG check.
Jeruselem
04-12-2003, 05:46
We congratulate on it's United Kurdistan newfound independence. May the first years of your history be a peaceful and fruitful unlike ours which is mired in religious violence and perpetual warfare with hostile neighbours.
Saladin was a Kurd which we have not forgetten either.
imported_The Opressive Church
04-12-2003, 05:56
Saladin was a Kurd? I did not know that...
Jeruselem
04-12-2003, 05:59
Saladin was a Kurd? I did not know that...
(Tikrit, Iraq 1138- Damascus 1193) First Ayyubid sultan, and famous for having recaptured Jerusalem from the Crusaders. Saladin was of Kurdish heritage, and all through his career he used mainly Kurdish officials as his closest partners.
Saladin managed to revitalize the economy of Egypt, he reorganized the military forces and with the advice of his father, he stayed away from any conflicts with Nureddin, his formal lord, after he had become the real ruler over Egypt. Instead he waited until Nureddin's death, before he started serious military actions first against smaller Muslim states, before directing it against the Crusaders.
Saladin is one of very few personages of the time of the Crusades that has managed to be positively described in both Western and Eastern sources. With his high position among his Western opponents, he has become a figure that have fascinated Western writers.
imported_The Opressive Church
04-12-2003, 06:04
I'm well aware of who Saladin was, and what he did... I just didn't know he was Kurdish... I thought he was born in central Arabia
I'm well aware of who Saladin was, and what he did... I just didn't know he was Kurdish... I thought he was born in central Arabia
Of course not. He was born in Tikrit, Iraq.
Jeruselem
04-12-2003, 06:08
I'm well aware of who Saladin was, and what he did... I just didn't know he was Kurdish... I thought he was born in central Arabia
Of course not. He was born in Tikrit, Iraq.
Ya :P
http://www.mideastweb.org/iraq.gif
Welp, anyway, looks like Soviet and/or United is going to have to draw a new map of United Kurdistan. :)