NationStates Jolt Archive

"If we execute murderers and there is in fact no deterrent effect, we have killed a bunch of murderers. If we fail to execute murderers, and doing so would in fact have deterred other murders, we have allowed the killing of a bunch of innocent victims. I would much rather risk the former. This, to me, is not a tough call."

John McAdams - Marquette University/Department of Political Science, on deterrence


We the Nation of Wamerica strongly believe in "an Eye for an Eye" how do the rest of the world feel about this ?

An Eye for an Eye? i don't know about that... but as far as death penalty for murder, we support it, as long as the convict has no desire for rehabilitation.

Instead of deterring criminals, why not prevent crime? Try taking up a national religion, one that can be taught in schools, so that people may learn to live together peacefully, and learn to deal with conflict diplomatically, and learn the true difference between right and wrong?

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'Two Wrongs do not make a Right'

But we wouldn't know...


Crime -- Expecially Youth Related -- is totaly unknown, due to progressive social policies

Kinda eliminates the need for the Death Penalty, if there's no crime... :D

'Two Wrongs do not make a Right'

But we wouldn't know...


Crime -- Expecially Youth Related -- is totaly non-existant, due to progressive social policiesCrime -- especially youth-related -- is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare.

Translation: A robotic police force, a national barcode-like registry, public security cameras, religious rule, and values taught in school.

Better translated: We teach our kids the difference between right and wrong, choose poorly and you'll have a Cypher on your tail ;)

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, leaves you blind and eating soup through a straw.


The Celestial Republic of Celeborne has no death penalty. It has never been shown to prevent crime, and the possibility of the state killing an innocent person is unacaptable to us.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, leaves you blind and eating soup through a straw.Well put, my friend. This natural law, brought down into writing by the prophet Moses, has since been overwritten, by several higher laws... if you want your nation to be basic and uncivilized, then by all means, bash your enemies to pieces. But this is not the way of the Savior.

TOC always dismisses the Death Penalty Issue....

Translation: A robotic police force, a national barcode-like registry, public security cameras, religious rule, and values taught in school.

Untrue! I have never once legalized public servalence camera's, or national barcode, or a robotic police force. Values are tought in school, however, the extensive Education Program, and Mental Healthcare program are the 'progressive social policies'. But yes, I have increased funding on the Police Force, very often....

TOC always dismisses the Death Penalty Issue....

Translation: A robotic police force, a national barcode-like registry, public security cameras, religious rule, and values taught in school.

Untrue! I have never once legalized public servalence camera's, or national barcode, or a robotic police force. Values are tought in school, however, the extensive Education Program, and Mental Healthcare program are the 'progressive social policies'. But yes, I have increased funding on the Police Force, very often....You misunderstand, I was translating what OUR nation's page says ;)

Oh, nvm then... Strange, Religious Nations don't have Crime , whereas demoralized ones do....

Oh, nvm then... Strange, Religious Nations don't have Crime , whereas demoralized ones do....What do you mean by "DeMoralized"?

Immorale nations... Nations without standards. Nations that sell themselves out to drugs, money, or temptation.

Immorale nations... Nations without standards. Nations that sell themselves out to drugs, money, or temptation.Oh... I get it, you're stating the obvious... heh heh... what can I say, its late. :mrgreen:

Oddly enough, my nation is not overly religous, and we have very high moral standards. We do not have a drug problem, our people are prosperous without being overly concerned with material possestions, and what would be considered "moral" crimes (prostitution and such) are all but non-existant. We teach personal acountablity and consideration for the needs of your fellow man. We have an almost non-existant crime rate and suicide rate.

Well, you aren't Demoralized are you Celeborne?

We did hijack this thread :?

Well, you aren't Demoralized are you Celeborne?

We did hijack this thread :?ooc: AFAIK... Demoralize is a verb... it means to beat the crap out of your enemy to the point where they have nothing to be propud of, and have no morale, and fall apart from weakness and instability, and thus become putty in your hands when it comes to war ;) I think you mean "Amoral" or "Immoral" or "Hedonist"

We have death penalty, but it's not the ultimate punishment. We believe, that a lifetime in prison is far worse than death. Therefore we cannot see why people are that much opposed to death penalty and try to 'lessen' the punishment by replacing it with lifetime imprisonment.

Marek Siilis II
Elder of M-I

We have death penalty, but it's not the ultimate punishment. We believe, that a lifetime in prison is far worse than death. Therefore we cannot see why people are that much opposed to death penalty and try to 'lessen' the punishment by replacing it with lifetime imprisonment.

Marek Siilis II
Elder of M-I"...prison? What's prison?"
-- John Enoch, head of Raysia's Armed police force






j/k!

"Prisons? What Prisons?"
-Bishop in Charge of Law and Order

(We litterally don't have Prisons, and no crime either. Go TOC! Go TOC! It's your b-day! It's your B-day)
:P

We use the death penalty more in a preventive manner than as a penalty. None of the subjects that has been in our death penalty project has relapsed into crime.



Yes for Death penalty all over the world, especially for Elves, vampires, SATO and commies. Death To SATO!

Real response:

Prisons? We don't really have too many prisons... if there is any big crime going down, it is usually processed by private police groups, hired by corporations to keep their property safe. Piracy (Air pirates etc) is about the only crime we have... Prostitution is as rare as murder, which is to say not common in any way shape or form.

Raysia also has a dress code, oddly enough. It is nothing harsh, but it most certainly cracks down on immorality and rape etc.

Anyway, lawbreakers are given a proportional fine, which varies depending on income, as well as manditory community service hours, and in some cases, public notification of their crime and the public shaming and outcasting that follows.

Those who are religious and are willing to go through the repentance process may be acted on more leniantly.

We use the death penalty more in a preventive manner than as a penalty. None of the subjects that has been in our death penalty project has relapsed into crime.



Yes for Death penalty all over the world, especially for Elves, vampires, SATO and commies. Death To SATO!Umm... you say none of your Death-Penalized have relapsed into crime.... ummm duh?

punishment only keeps the honest honest
where there is an incentive all the disinsentive in the world isn't going to stop someone from stepping in and gratify a market whatever the risks to themselves

by that i don't me that we don't have to hold the perpitrator culpable
if we want there to be a civilization of course we do

there are however two serious flaws in the termination of life being used as a judicial punishment

one is the matter of example
if governments and leaders set the example of life being cheap by applying death as a penalty that example of life being cheap is more not less, likely to be fallowed by those who put their own real or immagined gain ahead of the law.

the other of course is the minor little matter of
oops got the wrong guy
oh gee we're really sorry
kinda hard to undo that kind of mystake
and no justice system is so perfect
or even near it that this doesn't happen
and happen far more often then anyone likes to admit

there is also a matter of collective kharma
but this last will of course be viewed in varying ways depending on personal belief

so while in many cassess death me even actualy be a kindness to the accused
i really don't see
adding all up
the bennifits of judicial exicutions
outweighing their real harm
and by their real harm i don't mean the death of the accused
rightly or wrongly
but the brutalizing atmosphere created by the cheapining of human life

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We use the death penalty more in a preventive manner than as a penalty. None of the subjects that has been in our death penalty project has relapsed into crime.



Yes for Death penalty all over the world, especially for Elves, vampires, SATO and commies. Death To SATO!Umm... you say none of your Death-Penalized have relapsed into crime.... ummm duh?

Exactly, see? it works, no second offenders

Crime is totally unknown, thanks to the all-pervasive police force and progressive social policies in education and welfare.

We've got crime under control, being impaled on a stake is enough of a deterent for even the most hardened criminal, we also used them as human guinea pigs for biological weapons testing...You get the idea.

Yurka: 1
Crime: 0

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, leaves you blind and eating soup through a straw.


The Celestial Republic of Celeborne has no death penalty. It has never been shown to prevent crime, and the possibility of the state killing an innocent person is unacaptable to us.

Ariddia agrees. The notion of a judicial mistake leading to the execution of an innocent person is so horrific that nothing can justify the death penalty. Not to mention the fact that it's barbaric.