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All nations are welcome to submit an application, although we will have to approve your pilots to come.

There will be the fighter competition where the fighter jets will dogfight against remote controlled aircraft with paintball missiles and paintbull bullets.

Next will be a bomber competition where the bombers have to bomb targets that are specified on a Coreillian Island.

So please apply for this contest. You will need Coreillian government approval though. (Pretty easy to get allowed to join, just want to make sure that it is countries that are good rpers and have a good air force in general. So fairly easy restrictions)

Entrance cost is 3000 dollars just to pay for expenses. This will be a contest to prove your pilots are possibly the best in the world.

Entering Nations:

Fighter Competition:
Dont Mess Wit Me - 24 B2's
Coreillia - 24 F60's
Five Civilized Nations - 24 F-35 JSF
CoreWorlds - 24 F15's
Bigmenistan - 24 F14D Tomcats
Hrstrovokia - 10 MIG-29 Fulcrum C
Skager - 24 F22 Raptors
TROUSRS - 24 Su-47s

Bomber Competition:
Dont Mess Wit Me -24 B2's
Coreillia - 24 B2's
Five Civilized Nations - 24 B2's
CoreWorlds - 4 B2
Bigmenistan - 24 B-52H Stratofortesses
TROUSRS - 24 SvtB-Objeckt 225 bombers

My Pillots would love to join you comeptition. We would like to join both your challenges and prove that although we have a young airforce we are very ful of heart and will

*send the 3000 dollars fee and 24 of my best bombers and fighters.

F-16 will be used for the dogfights and my b-2 spirit bombers will be used for the BBBombing competion

Vcommander joshua

We are entering our 24 fighter pilot squadron of F60. This is our famed squadron called Rogue Squadron.

For the bombing we are entering our 24 pilot squadron called Solo Squadron led by the famous General Darklighter. They will fly B2's.

Please say how many are entered and the equipment used.

It is 3000 for your total entrees, and your nation is judged by your best pilots score.

And a maximum of 24 pilots for each contest.

Your entry fee has been recieved, and your request has been approved Vice Commander Joshua.

A few questions first. Do you relize that most planes today use miniguns firing 6000 rounds per minute? If you were to use a paintball version for your dogfights, they usually fire at around 500 rounds per minute, not anywhere near fast enough for air-to-air combat. I suggest you use a laser system, like the laser tag, etc. Another problem with the paintball miniguns mounted in a plane is that if a paintball breaks in the barrel (as they frequently do), how will you clean it while in the air? Second, the missles will still be dangerous. You need a motor to send it on it's way, right? The fuel in it will explode, damaging the plane. Third, the bombs. They will more resemble napalm then actual ordanance. And napalm is not exactly accurate.

Clear this up and I may join.

Then Skager, may we work together to design a laser system so that the fighter can have some sort of equipment over it so that it reads the laser hitting it, and the UAV can have the same technology.

Let me know

Min of Def. Rear Admiral Bel Iblis

Do not let skager join...He only spreads hate...A plan can be devised to clean the Barrles.Like a hot bolt of air to push it out....The idea is if you pilot is superior he would not need to fire alot of them only enough for a few shots......SO joinor not because you will not beat me forget the fancy shit.....lets go back to the basics of the war and do what people have fought for.......our freedom....Lets just have some freindly competition

VCOMMANDER JOSHUA

Vice Commander Joshua, we do not hold restrictions against Skager. He is welcome to join the contest. Leave your hatred towards him out of this thread please

F-39C Corsairs for the fighter competition...

FB-31 Griffins for the bomber competition...

Of course. It is fairly simple. Just get your hands on some laser tag equipment and up the power level. As for the bombing, there is not much you can do. But one thing does come to mind. In Vietnam, the US dropped spikes into the ground as listening devices. Perhaps a simular arrangment could work.

DMWM, hot air through the barrel of a gun will not clean it. Where will the air come from? Then add in the factor of air rushing into the barrel, because obviously the plane is moving.

I have left it away, I am just worried for my pilots lives.... We should just use paintballs friendly and safe ANY REAL WEAPONS FOUND ON THE COMPETION GROUNDS SHALL BE CONFISCATED AND THE OWNER OF IT WILL BE DISQUALIFIED AND CHARGED ONE BILLION DOLLARS>........Is that fair...

vcommander joshua

We have laser weapons, but not yet implemented as vulcan-type cannons. Perhaps we could mass-produce these and attach them where the cannon would be, under the nose. a shipment of 1000 cannons is available in (an hour RL). Low power settings are available.

We'll send a squadron of F-15s and a flight of 4 B-2s *fee money wired.*

I would like to enter this competition as well.

Fighter- 24 F-14D Tomcats

Bomber- 24 B-52H Stratofortresses

*fee wired*

The Federation of Hrstrovokia Air Force wishes to enter 10 Pilots and their Aircraft; the MIG-29 Fulcrum C. I assume it's 3,000 per pilot? Yes?

*30,000 Kroners awaiting transfer to Coreillian National Accounts*

OOC: The US armed forces have been using laser engagement systems for training and mock combat since the eighties. Relatively simple thing to do.

Coreillia- Don't worry about the laser stuff. I have already taken care of it. And I am also willing to impliment it in all the participant's craft, with their permission of course.

It consists of a single laser emitter, tuned to fire at the correct rate and range. The planes will register that they are hit when the laser's frequency hits. Something like radar. It will also register on the referee's boards on the ground.

How about the bomb idea I had? Any critics, comments, suggestions? I thought it was pretty good.

DMWM- I've said before, paintballs won't work. They break, and firing less won't make a differance. Their rate of fire is too low for air-to-air combat, and their range is also too limited. You really don't want to be any less the 50m from an enemy plane.

Thank you Skager, and all entering countries have been allowed.

Skager, due to a security reason, not that we don't trust you, but everyone has the right to check over the equipment and we will check at the end to make sure there have been no explosives or cheating tactics involved.

*sorry double post*

The Federation of Hrstrovokia Air Force wishes to enter 10 Pilots and their Aircraft; the MIG-29 Fulcrum C. I assume it's 3,000 per pilot? Yes?

*30,000 Kroners awaiting transfer to Coreillian National Accounts*

27,000 has been wired back, as it is 3000 per entry of the country.

Skager, do not worry about the bombs, we have a system where the bomb is a dud, and it hits the ground and sends the gps data of where it hit, and we have a gps system of the target location and the closest to the target wins the contest.

Yeah, thats basically what I was thinking of. Now that I've worked out all the technical details for you ( :roll: ) I may as well join. I am sending 24 F-22 fighters to be a part of the dogfight competition. The entry money has been wired. Along with them are a ground team, and a group carring the new laser technology that will be used. We can install it for everyone if we recieve permission from them.

Thank you Skager, and you are the official fighter contest technology manager. Where your crew installs it and it is checked by the nations crew then Coreillias crew to double check.

Fine. But I will still insist on getting permission before installing it.

Alright, but they need you to install it or they cannot participate as they won't have the equipment.

We see this as an oppourtunity for the Trousinian Empire to show off its Air Superiourity. We will be entering 24 of our Su-47s and SvtB-Objeckt 225 bombers to enter your competition.
[All information on these items available at: The Trousinian Military (http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/trousrs/) ]

Supreme Channcelor of the Trousinian Motherland
Kuzmich Postolski

Hmmm, maybe I should be chargeing for it. :wink:

OOC- ZING ZAP POW!

You have been added TROUSRS

The squadron of F-15s and the 4 bombers request permission to land, as they have arrived.

OOC: We have our own laser cannons, and will use your frequency. They'll need a little time to install though.

I do not feel safe allowong skager nar any of my militaries equipment for he has godmodding in other threads and he is a liar......I will install this technology by myself...I think it is meanigless for the paintball guns are safe and take more precisity....The laser is classified as a stream of light...we are shooting each other..If the laser is used you couldsimply just shoot it and stear you plane approprietly to hit your target...With paintball you have to have the skill and knowing of the proper wind regements to use them effectivly..Remember this is a skill competiton and allowing "allowong laser tag" would lower the competition to a lower class...... Please contact me back coreillia fo rI would like to hear yours aswel as skager response to this

Vcommander JOSHUA

Fine. If I cannot install your laser equipment DWMW, you may be out of the contest. As it is my technology, I have the right to deny others to install it themselves. Paintballs won't work, so drop it. And the wind has nothing to do with it. The bullets travel at such a speed that the wind is irelivant. The muzzle velocity is above 1000 feet per second.

Your critique for my lasers is wrong. It is npt one continous stream. When applied to laser tag, it is seperate streams fired individually. But in this case very very quickly, to simulate the firing of a minigun.

Hey I notice that some of the planes in this thing are F-15s, F-14s, and MiG-29s. Well those planes don't really compare to F-22s and Su-47s. Those planes are in a leauge of their own. Perhaps this thing should be all modern tech :?:

144,000 Kronors wired for the competition...

i would like to join your military please :P

Perhaps this should have a class basis. That is, planes that are comparable will compete together.

Five Civilized Nations- It already is modern. The F-22 is due in servise very soon.

Hey I notice that some of the planes in this thing are F-15s, F-14s, and MiG-29s. Well those planes don't really compare to F-22s and Su-47s. Those planes are in a leauge of their own. Perhaps this thing should be all modern tech :?:

It is up to the country to use their plane, they can use a Sopwith Camel if they want.

DMWM, drop it, there will be a security check made by yourself then me. You may superviese it all you like. Skager will be trustworthy here.

Five Cililized Nations, 141000 has been returned as it is only 3000 dollars per nation entry.

Gay bar what planes are you using

OK lasers it is

Also I am recalling 14 of my F 16 and entering my 14 F 22..... Thank you for the idea

I will be supervising your people instal my hardware....

Vcommander joshua

Fine... conversion of F-39C to F-35 JSF

Conversion of FB-31 to B-2s...

OK lasers it is

Also I am recalling 14 of my F 16 and entering my 14 F 22..... Thank you for the idea

I will be supervising your people instal my hardware....

Vcommander joshua

Thats 28 planes! Too many. Coreillia set the limit at 24.

OK LISTEN SKAGER VERY SLOW FOR YOU>>>>I AM recalling 14 and reentering 14 more

Vcomander joshua

Aswell Coreillia I would like to become the head security.... So I can watch over all "problems" that may occur in this program

Vcommander joshua

Aswell COreillia I would like to become the head security.... So I can watch over all "problems" that may occur in this program

Vcommander joshua

OOC: Whatever happened to you to get so paranoid?

Core world lately their has been a conflict between skager and I. He said I stole technology from him. HE goddmoded a RP. So I am paranoid that he will instal explosives or something to injure my pilots aswell as my army

Vcommander joshua

8) I will be sending 24 of my best fighter pilots, given to me from nation dont mess wit me. I will use F-22 fighter jets for the dogfights, for the bombing I will use the American Jumbo Hercules Plane (used to transport tanks and infantry) that can carry many bombs and will probably smoke everyboday at the bombing section. 8) :tantrum:

From General Andrew W. Anderson (Leader Of Canuk Central)

Core world lately their has been a conflict between skager and I. He said I stole technology from him. HE goddmoded a RP. So I am paranoid that he will instal explosives or something to injure my pilots aswell as my army

Vcommander joshua

Interesting. How did he godmod?

He goddmoded by saying that I stole his "secret" technology.... He stated this without anyproof or reason for attacking,
chack the 2 threads that were open, it was a heated event or you could messafge me for more indetail info

vcommander joshua

Doesn't sound like a godmod. More like an imperialistic excuse to go to war, much like Hitler did when he claimed that Poland started WWII, :roll: . Godmod is more like sending much more military units you have, or posting otherside losses or other things I can't think of right now. I think I read that little tidbit with my morning coffee.

DMWM, you are head of security, but I will double check the planes, as well as the nations security forces.

This is if you stop attacking Skager in this thread!

Is this going to be a tournament restricted to knife fighting? Or will our planes be able to carry long range missiles?

If so, then you're all dead. My F-14s can carry Phoenix missiles. Although the F-14 can hold its own no matter what it's doing.

Is this going to be a tournament restricted to knife fighting? Or will our planes be able to carry long range missiles?

If so, then you're all dead. My F-14s can carry Phoenix missiles. Although the F-14 can hold its own no matter what it's doing.

We would like to enter a squadron (12 planes) of our finest I-4 Talon interceptors. The 3,000 USD has already been wired. We would, however, like to inform the other participants that the I-4 is equipped with a PDE engine system.

Is this going to be a tournament restricted to knife fighting? Or will our planes be able to carry long range missiles?

If so, then you're all dead. My F-14s can carry Phoenix missiles. Although the F-14 can hold its own no matter what it's doing.

Can you say that again to our F-15 pilots? :P

There's always that rivalry between F-14s and F-15s...

And we shall maintain that an I-4 can smoke them all. Now, when shall this tournament begin?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/aim-54-980304-n-1717n-002-s.jpg

You see this missile? This is why none of you are going to win. It's the AIM-54 Phoenix. It has a range of over 110 miles. About 4 times more than the AMRAAM (which is the standard U.S. medium range missile).

And the F-14 is the only plane that can carry this weapon, so hehe :wink:

You actually have to get that missile within 1 mile of us to 'kill' us, so don't count your hawks before they hatch just yet! (ROE in wargames)

You actually have to get that missile within 1 mile of us to 'kill' us, so don't count your hawks before they hatch just yet! (ROE in wargames)

Are you saying that I can't fire the Phoenix from 100 miles away?

You actually have to get that missile within 1 mile of us to 'kill' us, so don't count your hawks before they hatch just yet! (ROE in wargames)

Are you saying that I can't fire the Phoenix from 100 miles away?

No, I'm saying that there's chaff, decoy rockets, and the pilots' own skills with the stick that could help shake off the missile.

Well, we obviously won't be using live ammunition. You will have another laser tag system installed for missles. They will be of the following types-
1. Rocket pod
2. Guided
3. Fly-by-wire

This is to promote fairness and equility. I'm surprised our "security head" didn't say anything, as this is a matter of security to the planes involved.

Yes there will be laser powered set to the weapons of yours. Our security head wil make a statement on this

OOC: sorry about that first chance oncomputer.

Their will be ABSOLUTLY NO live amunition allowed into this tournament. This is a friendly competiotn were skills are measured and lives are not at risk. This is how it is and it has been set.

vcommander joshua

You're all goin down. Tomcats love to eat Birds.

I'm sure if one got a chance then it would probably eat an Eagle and a Falcon too.

Ok, look. I will tell you several reasons why a Pheonix is not going to win you the game.

1. The Pheonix is designed for taking out cruise missiles, not aircraft. It doesn't have a complex enough system to allow it to track erratically moving targets like...say...basically any jet fighter. In tests, I believe the Pheonix hit it's target about 20% of the time, and it was rushed into service because the US had nothing else to stop the threat of Russian cruise missile attacks.

2. There are actually several Russian missiles that can travel far farther than the Pheonix, one of these being the RR-71, which is capable of destroying targets at something like 264 miles, and it is designed for taking out other aircraft, not cruise missiles.

3. Tomcats have some of the worst reliability problems in the world of jet fighters. Their engines fail constantly, missile racks fail to release, etc. In the real world, there's a significant degree of doubt if that Pheonix is actually going to work.

Got it?

Yeah but this aint the real world :wink:

And if worse comes to worse the F-14 can still carry AMRAAMs (I have the upgraded version), and they have manuverability that equals the F-15 and the F-16.

And the Phoenix may not be accurate, but it still gives me the first shot in any kind of aerial battle.

Yeah but this aint the real world :wink:

And if worse comes to worse the F-14 can still carry AMRAAMs (I have the upgraded version), and they have manuverability that equals the F-15 and the F-16.

And the Phoenix may not be accurate, but it still gives me the first shot in any kind of aerial battle.

And my F-14s aren't carrying the standard Phoenix missile. They have the upgraded D variant.

the D version was designed and improved here in Bigmenistan. Various features were added, some things were taken off, etc. to make it more accurate and give it better range.

The ones I have I'd say improve the hit % from 20% to about 45-50%, and their range is increased to about 150 miles.

You're all goin down. Tomcats love to eat Birds.

I'm sure if one got a chance then it would probably eat an Eagle and a Falcon too.

But they're big, powerful Birds. Your Tomcats will be swooped upon and eaten for dinner.

Okay, enough of the chest thumpin'! Time to light the fires and kick the tires! YEEEEHHAAAAAA!

I agree, it's time for my pilots to go out there and win that trophy.

Which are we doing first, the bomber or fighter competitions?

*sigh* Fine, I'll have to show you the hard way. :twisted: Ok, let's do fighters!

Alright, cool it. We're glad that you're all into this, but the laser equipment still needs to be installed in your planes. My techs will do that, but we need your permission first.

*5CN technicians install laser systems themselves...*

*Coreworlds techies start putting their own lasers in as well. An interesting property of our lasers is that they look like the ones in the Star Wars films, so they're easy to see. Don't worry, they'll do nothing but register on your sensors. And they're the red kinds. We have green, too.*

*5CN technicians install laser systems themselves...*

I'm afraid you can't do that. The technology belongs to me and I'll install it.

I'm using proprietary technology from the 5CN...

Yes install it. coreworlds skager must put it in himself with his technology. I will wach every one do not worry.

VCOMMANDER joshua

Permission granted, go ahead and install the technology on my Tomcats.....just hurry, my pilots want to whoop some @$$ as quickly as possible.

I don't know about you guys, but the F-14 pilots I'm sending are combat tested, they've been through some intense knife fights as well.

I had a squadron of them secretly deployed in the 'Scyirthus (sp?) Rebellion' war. 18 of those planes engaged an F-16 force of about 20 planes, and won the engagement with only 8 losses. Although I just deployed them as a sort of live fire exercise, the squadron was pulled out once the Rebels started winning.

They also had many engagements in my war with 'the Oppresors', and they chalked up 42 confirmed kills with 6 losses.

Perhaps we should all give the experience levels of our pilots? My pilots were some of the first to test the new PDE systems, so they have extensive experience with the I-4. They also took a limited part in the Cyberutopian civil war, and therefore have seen some of the most brutal fighting in the history of our country.

My F-15 squadron have also been tested, in the Espario Polynesian War (My first as a nation), and came out with only one loss (the enemy was weak). They treat every live-fire engagement or training session as the real thing, which is good, as the training is harder than combat (or so they say).

Coreillian F60 Kodiak stealth fighters are ready for action.

All planes are ordered to land at the Solo City Airport.

The contest starts on Monday with a square off between Bigmenistan versus Dont Mess Wit Me.

The bombing contest starts Tuesday.

My F-35 JSF have seen service in the Invasion of Tortuga, Communist Likon Wars, and several other major wars...

The current pilots all have at least 20 kills...

OOC: Solo as in Han Solo? Cool! We have Jedi, too, but none of the pilots are Force-sensitive, to keep it fair.

IC:
The squadrons acknowledge the order, and land at the Solo Airport.

Coreillian F60 Kodiak stealth fighters are ready for action.

All planes are ordered to land at the Solo City Airport.

The contest starts on Monday with a square off between Bigmenistan versus Dont Mess Wit Me.

The bombing contest starts Tuesday.

How is this going to work? Are there any post guidelines?

Cause it's kinda hard to do an air to air dogfight, without telling the other guy what he lost (god-modding).

And perhaps there should be something, like a 2 paragraph limit, so that one person doesn't write up the entire thing in their favor...

OOC: Hmmm, F-16 vs F-14.

2 American powerhouses. This should be very interesting (my pilots have shot down quite a few F-16s in the past)

Skager's Ace of Spades sqaudron has landed in Coreillia. They fly jet black F-22s. They have trained continueinly, not having a chance to fly combat missions since Skager's early days.

There, sitting on the tarmac ladies and gentlemen, is death on wings.

The twelve jet black I-4s, the blood red symbol of the Republic emblazoned on the two tail fins, scream through the sky. They pull a tight turn right above the tarmac, trailing the signature acid green afterglow of the PDEs. The interceptors settle onto the asphalt, the whine of the engines powering down cutting through the air. They sit there menacingly, forward swept wings like daggers ready to stab.

The twelve jet black I-4s, the blood red symbol of the Republic emblazoned on the two tail fins, scream through the sky. They pull a tight turn right above the tarmac, trailing the signature acid green afterglow of the PDEs. The interceptors settle onto the asphalt, the whine of the engines powering down cutting through the air. They sit there menacingly, forward swept wings like daggers ready to stab.

24 F-14Ds fly in low, they drop down to about 200 feet, and they light their afterburners.

They then buzz all of their future victims as they sit in the parking area, before eventually landing.

Well, just 1 more day until 'Dontmesswitme' gets eliminated by my F-14s....

:roll:

All of you may not realise it yet, but the F-16, F-15 and F-14 are all of date. Why does no one even list haveing F-18s? You should stay at home and play with your little toy planes. Us big people will use the F-22 and JSFs.

Us 'little kids' still like to play with F-14s, -15s and -16s, cause they're still cool. We do have -22s and F/A-18 Nighthowlers, but they're deployed elsewhere now.

Same here. I have JSFs, F/A-18 Super Hornets (the regular hornet still isn't as good as the F-15), Su-33s, and other high performence aircraft.

But they are all away on deployments, and the F-14 pilots I have are my best. All of them are combat experienced.

It's kinda cowardish to bring in F-22s when you see that the competition has F-16s, F-15s, MiG-29s, and F-14s. It just shows that your pilots have to have future-tech to compete!

VCOMMANDER CHIEF SECURITY..........

This is how it is going to work when we role play the fight. Each nation will state one move. every second move coriellia will give a positive comment or a negative comment. He will also settle any skurmishes that arise during battle.

battle begins.............

24 F-16 lift off the ground to a hight of 1600 feet in a W formation. STart to fly towards your fleet.

battle begins.............

24 F-16 lift off the ground to a hight of 1600 feet in a W formation. STart to fly towards your fleet.

OOC: The F-14s I use aren't carrier based, I use them in my Airforce. My Naval fighters are F/A-18 Superhornets, Su-33 Flankers, and F-35C JSFs

IC: The time is about 7AM in the morning.

*intercom*

Radar has detected an incoming squadron of F-16s flying low at 1,600 feet at 400 knots. They are heading towards the base from it's 6:00 and are about 40 miles away. All pilots to their planes!

*the air raid siren then goes off*

A mass scramble then begins, pilots and crew are getting the already fueled Tomcats ready to lift off. Each plane is armed with 3 AMRAAMs and 3 AIM-9X Sidewinders. The 24 F-14s then take off and speed towards the incoming bandits.

Once they are about 25 miles away from them they each target an F-16 and fire a barrage of about 20 AMRAAM missiles.

My wing of F-16 start evasive manouvers to avoid the first barrage of rockets.....The wings do not fire their sparrows and phoenexs and they await your next move

My wing of F-16 start evasive manouvers to avoid the first barrage of rockets.....The wings do not fire their sparrows and phoenexs and they await your next move

OOC: Wait a minute......the F-16 can't carry the Phoenix missile, only the F-14 can. And the Sparrow isn't exactly what I would call a good missile, cause you have to hold a radar lock on the enemy plane until the missile hits the target, or it won't do anything.

IC: "Squad mates this is Alpha 1, turn on your radar jammers now!"

*each pilot does so, now the F-16s will have a bit of trouble targeting the F-14s. The only way to get a radar lock through a jammer is to hold the radar beam on them for about 10 seconds, it's next to impossible to fire a radar long range missile at them*

"Alright boys, we got our jammers on so I want all of you to increase speed to 500 knots and fly right at them. We're going to do some zoom and boom on them."

The F-14s speed up, and close to within 5 miles of the F-16s. Bullet fire erupts between the planes as they pass by, and a couple of planes from both sides are tagged.

When the F-14s pass the 16s- instead of turning around, they dive to increase speed and they keep going. Once they're about 5 miles out they turn around and fly towards the pursuing F-16s, more gunfire is exchanged, and the F-14s speed past the F-16s and repeat the process.

OOC: zoom and boom is what I described in the last paragraph- going out about 5 miles, and turning around. This keeps the F-14s out of the F-16s weapon envelope. Zoom and boom is the equivalent of a blue jay swooping down on a dog (in that the dog can't reach the blue jay to do anything about it)

((Ok, there's a couple things wrong with that post. One, you stated DMWM's losses when you said "...and a couple planes from both sides are tagged." Now, it is logical that planes from both sides would be tagged, but you still can't say that for the person you're facing. Another error in your post is that F-15s and -16s actually can be modified to carry Pheonixes with a few simple alterations.))

((Ok, there's a couple things wrong with that post. One, you stated DMWM's losses when you said "...and a couple planes from both sides are tagged." Now, it is logical that planes from both sides would be tagged, but you still can't say that for the person you're facing. Another error in your post is that F-15s and -16s actually can be modified to carry Pheonixes with a few simple alterations.))

1. Well how else are we going to decide this thing? If we don't occasionaly tell the other guy what he lost, then we're just going to be flying around in circles all day.....kind of like how DMWM said that all of my AMRAAM missiles missed their targets.

2. Actually the F-14 is the only plane that has ever carried the Phoenix missile.

((Ok, there's a couple things wrong with that post. One, you stated DMWM's losses when you said "...and a couple planes from both sides are tagged." Now, it is logical that planes from both sides would be tagged, but you still can't say that for the person you're facing. Another error in your post is that F-15s and -16s actually can be modified to carry Pheonixes with a few simple alterations.))

1. Well how else are we going to decide this thing? If we don't occasionaly tell the other guy what he lost, then we're just going to be flying around in circles all day.....kind of like how DMWM said that all of my AMRAAM missiles missed their targets.

2. Actually the F-14 is the only plane that has ever carried the Phoenix missile.

1. Ok, that's true, I guess. Do we have a ref? We should.

2. Perhaps it's the only one that's ever carried it, but I know for a fact that -15s and -16s can be modified to carry it. And I still say it's a horrible missile.

OOC:: missles have been modified...... also we are using lasers dont forget...

My wing launches first assault of sparrows.....know that you have launched so many of them of your rams you are weeker.....

Lost one plane in evasive manouvers

OOC:: missles have been modified...... also we are using lasers dont forget...

My wing launches first assault of sparrows.....know that you have launched so many of them of your rams you are weeker.....

Lost one plane in evasive manouvers

OOC: There are a couple of things wrong with this post-

1. a wing is the term used to describe a group of about 80+ planes. A squadron is the term you're looking for there.....

2. I have my jammers on, which makes it nearly impossible to sucessfully launch a radar missile.

3. We're in a close quarters knife fight now. And the Sparrow is a medium/long range missile, it won't do anything for close up dogfighting. That's what the Sidewinder is for.

4. The effective range of the Sparrow missile is 8 miles. My F-14s are using boom and zoom tactics (when passing the enemy jets after a head on pass, instead of turning around you speed up and go out about 5-6 miles before turning around and then you fly towards the opponent, pick up speed, and repeat the process. Using boom and zoom tactics, it is very much possible for a plane like the F-4 Phantom to shoot down an F-22 Raptor, provided it can get close enough to try it). So my planes turn around once they're about 5 miles out from the F-16s, which means the Sparrow isn't going to be very effective at all because it's so close.

Boom and zoom is sort of like a hit and run tactic.

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_024a.html

That's kinda a long read, but it explains what boom and zoom is.

Alright, this should have been mentioned earlier. You do not have specific types of missles. You have laser equivilants of missles. The types were mentioned earlier. The technology we have does not apply for real life missles.

And I'll volunteer to ref this fight.

I also volunteer as a ref...

OOC: Alrighty then (just remember what boom and zoom is- it's a hit and run tactic where you fire your weapons and then fly off, only to turn around and repeat the process once you're about 5-6 miles out)

IC: The fighting continues, the F-14s using their boom and zoom tactics speed up to about 600 knots and dive to pick up speed. As the F-16s and F-14s pass each other they both open fire with thier cannons.

The F-14s then pass them at about 600 knots (with thier wings swepped back) and instead of turning around and engaging in a knife fight, they keep flying and they turn around once they're about 5.5 miles away from the F-16s.

Once they turn around they fly at the F-16s again, and they once again increase speed to 600 knots (and their wings sweep back as well). The 2 squadrons then pass each other again, and both sides open up with their guns. Once the F-14s pass the F-16s they once again throttle up, and speed away. Once they're about 6 miles away from the F-16s they turn around and repeat the process about 3-4 more times.

The Lt. Squadron leader of the F-14s smiled to himself, knowing that these hit and run tactics were starting to piss the F-16 pilots off who were expecting a turn and burn knifefight. He also knows that the F-16 is slightly better at close range fighting than the Tomcat is, thus the reason why the F-14s are using boom and zoom.

Remember, you guys don't have unlimited fuel...

I think the refs need to update our losses. But they need to keep a couple of things in mind when they do so-

1. I'm using hit and run tactics

2. I have my radar jammers on

3. DMWM isn't armed with any kind of short-range heat seeking missile, while my F-14s each have 3 AIM-9X Sidewinders. All DMWM has are long range missiles that can't be fired at close range.

Any time now.....

Any time now.....

Sorry, I havn't had access to the net for the past few days. Ok, so. Because of the 'zoom and boom' passes at high speed, DMWM takes losses of 2 planes. However, it seems the tactic is extremly risky. Therefore, Bigmenistan loses one plane while it is in it's turn 5.5 miles away.

Are you guys operating on unlimited fuel? If you guys aren't, Bigmenistan will run out of fuel with his current tactics pretty soon...

Drops volocity down low and gets ready to launch first air attack.....

does not activate any weapons right know or rafar....

You will soon runout of gas....as I will not.

plus you have already used alot of your missles..

vcommander joshua

OOC: How many losses has DMWM taken (I know it has to atleast be about 5)?

And BTW- I still have all of my Sidewinders.

IC: On the next pass instead of speeding away like they had before, the F-14s immediately begin a 90 degree climb (straight up) and they climb about 6,000 feet above the F-16s.

They then swoop down on the Falcons and begin firing their Sidewinder heat seeker missiles.

OOC: Refs, you really do need to update our losses! I didn't burn half of my fuel doing boom and zoom, just to have DMWM lose no planes. That would be some big BS.

DMWM losses 5 aircraft total, one of them due to a midair collision between a F-16 and a F-14...

DMWM-7 F-16s lost
Bigmenistan--2 F-14s lost.

*planes crash down****

14 of my pains launch a modified pheonix's....after fire other 2 planes fly around you fleet to ambush from behind and drop spearows from behind....after fire my two f-16 fly 14thousand feet away as my 14 planes travel towards you

vcommander joshua

OOC: I'm going to have to ignore those 2 missile launches. Because-

1. Both the Phoenix and Sparrow are long range missiles, with a minimum effective range of about 10 miles. You don't have any close range missiles like I do!

2. I have my radar JAMMERS on!

3. My planes are already 6,000 feet higher than you are, and they're swooping on you.

4. I've launched a barrage of Sidewinder missiles at you already, if you don't take evasive action then you'll be blown to bits.

1. Agreed.

2. Agreed.

3. Agreed.

4. Agreed.

State your losses, DMWM.

Also keep in mind that Sidewinders don't register RWR launch warnings.

both fly straiht awya in v motion to evade missile....


I am using my pilots skills and not using radar to attack we are aimming and shooting just like in the good old days...(ww1/ww2) we are not using radars and if we shot a great many of them atleast for or five had to hit we are not that horrible..so their for you should not be able to just ignore them...

HOw many missles do yo uhave thats you second full areal attack...eventually they do run out.....

vcommander joshua

both fly straiht awya in v motion to evade missile....


I am using my pilots skills and not using radar to attack we are aimming and shooting just like in the good old days...(ww1/ww2) we are not using radars and if we shot a great many of them atleast for or five had to hit we are not that horrible..so their for you should not be able to just ignore them...

HOw many missles do yo uhave thats you second full areal attack...eventually they do run out.....

vcommander joshua

OOC: DMWM, can you at least spell correctly? Your posts are kinda hard to understand the way they are...

Your missiles won't work if they are not radar guided... They'll have no target...

It doesn't matter how good your pilots are, the simple fact is that neither the Phoenix or Sparrow work at close range. Especially against radar jammers.

And how are you firing your guns at me when I'm 6,000 feet higher than you are and am on your six?

And I find it hard to believe that you dodged about 24 Sidewinder missiles, because they register absolutely no launch warning when fired.

And the fuel problem that you spoke of.....is not a problem. Remember- You flew to my base, so my fully fueled planes are only about 25 miles away from where they took off from, not to mention they had an external fuel tank on (when doing all that boom and zoom stuff)

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I think the refs need to update our losses again. Keep in mind that I just fired 24 sidewinder missiles from 6,000 feet above the F-16s.

OOC: Bigmenistan, how many missiles have you fired total? I just need to check to make sure you have enough missiles to launch...

I fired all of my AMRAAMs (3 on each plane), and I've fired 1/3 of my Sidewinders (3 on each plane)

Yet oddly DMWM only has taken 7 losses.....hmmm, go figure.....

DMWM suffers eight more fighters downed and three fighters damaged...

OOC: Alright, now DMWM has taken 15 losses with 3 more critically wounded. He only has about 6-9 more planes left. My planes have taken 3 losses, and I'm still 6,000 feet above him and diving on his tail.

IC: The F-14s then dive nose down and swoop on the Falcons from high above. They release about 18 more Sidewinders (leaving each plane with 1 more missile.

The pilots watch and wait for a smoke cloud to appear behind some of the Falcons to indicate if their lasers have hit their targets (up to the refs to tell me what I see)

They then continue to swoop (and close) on the Falcons, then they open up with their guns at close range.

The Tomcats are down to about half of their fuel load (they used external tanks for the boom and zoom and they're still close to their airbase, seeing as how my planes scrambled for the interception).

it looks like DMWM has left the thread. So why not just name me the winner? Cause I'm kickin his butt anyway.

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Bigmenistan, I think everyone except me and you are gone for the holidays... I'll declare you the winner, if DMWM doesn't post on the 5th...

Bigmenistan, I think everyone except me and you are gone for the holidays... I'll declare you the winner, if DMWM doesn't post on the 5th...

Well, I'm on vacation but have internet access. I know DMWM in RL, and he has no access, at least as far as I know. Give him until the 6th.

Yeah, sure that sounds fine. Even if you don't DQ him then it's still going to be about 18 planes vs 6 in my favor.

I'm still here, you know, waiting, just waiting...

I quit and I willprobably quit nation states..you are forgetting that yuo cannot use real weapons it is all laser but u seem to have forgotten this..I give up Their is know way I can win their should be a rematch because you forgot the rules but ohwell the next fights will follow procedure..

v commander joshua

OOC: I know it's all laser, but lasers simulate missile launchers. Anyway- I guess that makes me the winner!

IC: The 18 F-14s are diving down on the 6 F-16s and are getting ready to fire more weapons, when suddenly the F-16s break off and head home.

Word comes over their radio headsets that they have won the dogfight and have advanced to the next round.

A sizeable amount of cheers are heard on the radio as the F-14 pilots celebrate. They then break off and land at their airbase, with just enough fuel to make it back.

Various comments are heard on the radio-

"Oh yeah, we own this house."

"Honestly, all these other chumps are just wasting our time. It's so obvious that we're going to win this thing."

"......That was a can of whoop ass if I ever saw one......"

etc.

Looks like the whole thing is bust. Coreillia, our host, is gone. So we'll call Bigmenistan winner by defalt.

Never mind, I like the idea of being the champion of the tournament 8)

Not so fast, friend! You'll have to beat me, first!