NationStates Jolt Archive

“Today, Thelas Finally started the building of its’ first combined Air/Sea/Space Warship. The keel of the TMV Shodra was laid today. The keel is a full 1301 meters, the beam is a full 975 meters and the height is also a massive 975 meters. Armed with over 1000 small kinetic missile tubes, and 600 AP guns, this is one of the most advanced vessels in the Thelasian Fleet, using an advanced gravity powered Atmosphere-to-Space/Space drive, and a smaller magnetic drive for planetary use.

Plans are that the Shodra will be finished in three months (one day). Plans are to begin the building the rest of the fleet in about two weeks (one hour). Once the Shodra fleet is finished, the old Acharn space fleet, and the Machra grav-fleet will be decommissioned, to be replaced by two more fleets, both bearing the same name. All fleets will be re-constructed in about 12 years (4 weeks).

UPDATE: Costs are estimated to reach over 200 trillion (A little better?) Credits, with the help of several allies, construction is now estimated to reach up to 20 years. (Fluid time, expect me to wait untill sunday or even next wednessday.)

(If you note, times are not incremental)

Congratulations.

May I inquire about the cost of such a project?

To put the answer in short, over three trillion Thelasian Credits. This has severly depleted our budget surpluss. The construction itself is not too expencive, but the cost of some of the matiriels is exorbinate.

I see.

What makes this project valuable enough that you would severely damage your economy?

Again, just curious. :wink:

Simple, in the long run, this eliminates the need for separate space/grav cores, it also cuts on matinence costs, with less separate ship designs, we need less spare parts, thus, we cut costs. It also means stronger space and naval forces.

It also mans that we finally have grav forces equal to Menelmacar's (A major point in Thelas, a protectorate of Menelamcar)

I see. Well, good luck, and congratulations.

Thanks

"Rather hasty and cheap, isn't it? I wouldn't be caught dead in one of these flying deathtraps."

-The Cardboard Avenger

"Rather hasty and cheap, isn't it? I wouldn't be caught dead in one of these flying deathtraps."

-The Cardboard Avenger

Listen Wazzu, if you don't have anything constructive to say, shut up and leave.

Now, on the other hand, if you the Cardboard Avenger would come down from his pedistal in the clouds and tell me why, I might not want to flame you.

EDIT: Changed Wazze to Wazzu

"Rather hasty and cheap, isn't it? I wouldn't be caught dead in one of these flying deathtraps."

-The Cardboard AvengerWazzu. Shut up. You are not as smart as you are annoying.

OOC: Well, lets compare.

Wazzu's largest spaceship type, the Knight-class Frigate.
315 meters long (Less then 1/64th the volume of your ship)
Cost: US $1.1 trillian
Technology: NOT Wazzu's best (classified/secret) as it is bound for the MIDAS-II Defense Forces.

And Wazzu is NOT an inefficient nation.

NO POPULATION BUG
Manufacturing: In the highest 0.2% in all NS.
Education: In the highest 1% in all NS.
No minimum wage laws
"Right-to-work" nation

"Rather hasty and cheap, isn't it? I wouldn't be caught dead in one of these flying deathtraps."

-The Cardboard Avenger

Listen Wazze, if you don't have anything constructive to say, shut up and leave.

Now, on the other hand, if you the Cardboard Avenger would come down from his pedistal in the clouds and tell me why, I might not want to flame you.

So all he is saying is that you spent a small amount of money and time on something HUGE and supposedly high-tech. That your making it out to be something it isn't.

"Rather hasty and cheap, isn't it? I wouldn't be caught dead in one of these flying deathtraps."

-The Cardboard AvengerWazzu. Shut up. You are not as smart as you are annoying.

I never said I was smart, just educated. I certainly agree that I am annoying. It means I am doing my job well.

Unless your willing to accept 100s of 10km long ships comming from some September nation's super-deluxe-orbital shipyards for US $5 each (and any one of which is stronger then your entire fleet).

I'm not accusing Thelas of this, but if someone doesn't act as a high standard and reality check, then this is what will happen to NS.

Hense the semi-IC/OOC character, The Cardboard Avenger


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EDIT: Changed Wazze to Wazzu

Thanks. :)

So it is his fault he didn't spend as much money as you? maybe he just found an easier way to do it. i recall explaining my research and production costs to you, and that pretty well shut you up about that.

((I'm Capsule Corp, btw))

honest to god, three trill, a small amount, exuse me, I have to go edit some things (time and costs), maybe I will have to set this to fluid time... (or else I willb e waiting RL months).

Thanks for the explanation Wazzu, it causes less frustration if you tell us why the ships are too cheap, ecetera.

So it is his fault he didn't spend as much money as you? maybe he just found an easier way to do it. i recall explaining my research and production costs to you, and that pretty well shut you up about that.

((I'm Capsule Corp, btw))

OOC: No, it didn't shut me up. It made me give up...your a hopeless case.

You'll note that I stated Wazzu is (by the NS stats), in the top 0.2% (#163 the last time it was shown) in the world for manufacturing. Thats pretty efficient. Unless Thelas was much higher then I'd have to say Wazzu is more efficient at it (just as I have to give it up to Sunset and Eniqcir as having much better IT industries).

Wazzu is, Thelas though is reaching into the very low 1,000 area, next month I expect to be reaching the top of many of the charts.

Also: Thelas uses a lot of high tech AI based production facilities, not to mention that these ships are being built at the massive Sari Cuori space station, conected to earth by a massive star ladder, making transport and construction easier.

So it is his fault he didn't spend as much money as you? maybe he just found an easier way to do it. i recall explaining my research and production costs to you, and that pretty well shut you up about that.

((I'm Capsule Corp, btw))

OOC: No, it didn't shut me up. It made me give up...your a hopeless case.

You'll note that I stated Wazzu is (by the NS stats), in the top 0.2% (#163 the last time it was shown) in the world for manufacturing. Thats pretty efficient. Unless Thelas was much higher then I'd have to say Wazzu is more efficient at it (just as I have to give it up to Sunset and Eniqcir as having much better IT industries).*sigh* It's called RP. Just because I never get decent issues doesn't make you better than me.

I'll repost my point:

Hmmm... i don't know how on earth you figure that... in real life a nimitz class carrier only costs a few billion... and all this is is a little bit better armor, which comes at roughly the same price., maybe at most twice as expensive... computer systesms, which being relative would cost about the same for my computer systems in the future as it would for the past, and engines are simple and powerful, and the power cores are probably a lot cheaper and easier to maintain than anything in modern day life... so if anything, I am overcharging my ships prices... I think 6 months build time at 100-200 billion for a ship that is heavilly mass produced in a massive cluster of shipyards is pretty decent. Weapons system are good... I don't know why you say they are bad... they're really good... My flagship (my only big ship, at just under a mile long) has the power and ability of a whole battlegroup... I would hardly say that sucks.

So as an example, lets break down a mass-production version of the Kryptonite Class Cruiser:

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/kryptonite.gif
The Kryptonite-Class Cruiser

Length: 797 meters
Crew: 150 people, 25 droids, and 3 central AI, one for mechanical, one for weaponry, and one for information.
Powerplant: Chlorophusion control chamber
FTL Drives: Capsule Mk II Cascading Hyperspace Fold Drive (also works as Hyperdrive OR fold drive)
Docking Capabilities: 36 Fighters, 2 Shuttlecraft, and 2 Corvettes
Cargo Capacity: Very little.
Weapons: This ship is built around the Farad System... as you can see from the twin hulls. Other weapons include 12 Mk II Rail Cannons (100km/s x100kg) (10 Forward, 2 Aft), 82 Turret-Mounted Farad Beam Cannons, and some hundred close-defense plasma-bolt cannon turrets.
Defenses: A very thick armor, made from triton-mined alloys, a Xanthal Type VII Shield, and of course, the powerful Farad system.
Atmosphere Capable: Yes. Landing Capable: Yes.
Price: 190 Billion

Relatively simple design, pretty sturdy. You got a 797m frame, of which about 80% of that is just armor, engines, and circuity for the weapons systems (specifically the Farad)

Now, you got mining to pay for, refinery and mixing for the alloys, and then casting and construction... that'll top out at maybe 50 Billion at the very most (and that's being nice to you...). Then you got weapons systems, all very simple, yet very powerful. All the weapons systems, though they work on advanced theories, require very little technology... I mean you got Rail Cannons and Lasers and Farad weapons... they require a lot of energy, but they don't require much in the way of uber-expensive technology... so at the most, you got another 15 billion there, and then including the ship-sized farad system, that bumps it up to maybe 35 billion (and again, I'm being nice). Chlorophusion comes from a special plant, wehich must be harvested and is one of our major crops... that is quite a lot, so that comes out at about 10 Billion for a core for a ship this size, including reserves and aux and emergency backups etc... heck, I'll say 20 billion, just to make you happy. The Engines are Heatpile Drives, Plasma Drives, and Ion drives, an assortment of them all around the ship, the biggest of course being the Heatpile engines at the rear of the ship... skinny on this ship, but still present. All these engine systems are just converting energy into thrust in one form of another, and probably not terribly complicated. I'd say another 20 billion just to make you happy :P. Crew accomodations... I keep the crew minimal here, only 150 and then some... so lets just bundle computers and life support and all the internal things in there with them... I'd say you're looking at 10-20 billion worth of facilities etc. And the Shields? yes, I know I bought them from Xanthal, but they're still good. Lets put shields systems at 15 Billion. And lastly, the FTL Drives... The FTL drives are all just stock mass-produced things which will go for a total of 15 Billion, maybe 20 Billion.

All in all? I still have enough to make a profit if I sell them at 190 billion.

Note that I have poored Trillions into the making of shipyards, by the way. If anything I should bump up the prices.Sorry to hi-jack your thread man, but Wazzu just really peeves me.

honest to god, three trill, a small amount, exuse me, I have to go edit some things (time and costs), maybe I will have to set this to fluid time... (or else I willb e waiting RL months).

Thanks for the explanation Wazzu, it causes less frustration if you tell us why the ships are too cheap, ecetera.

Well, $3 trillian is a lot more then many nations would spend (I've honestly seen cruisers in the low tens of millions). Thats why your ships aren't "cardboard."

Wazzu spends so much on each because it makes so few. It doesn't even have a full fleet yet (just a couple of flotillas and a bunch of smaller gunboats, not really ships, all spread out).

It's fine CC, I don't mind, as long as we keep on space ships and construction, I will not mind.

On second thought, I'll just keep Wazzu on my ignore list. Save myself the trouble of discussing SF with him :)

OOC: Would have said this earlier but forums took a jolt. Good luck with your fleet stuff and nation rankings Thelas.

And ahhh...

*bump*

We congratulate our trade partner of this successful venture.

Official statement from Gradenkian Embassy, Thelas.

We thank the Empire of Gradenk for their conragulations.

bump

Simple, in the long run, this eliminates the need for separate space/grav cores, it also cuts on matinence costs, with less separate ship designs, we need less spare parts, thus, we cut costs. It also means stronger space and naval forces.

It also mans that we finally have grav forces equal to Menelmacar's (A major point in Thelas, a protectorate of Menelamcar)
OOC: Frankly, I doubt Siri would be particularly happy about you building this. Expect... delays in construction. :twisted:

~Siri

OOC: I know, I have been waiting for the message from some office in Menelmacar