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SYSKEIAPOLIS, SYSKEYIA- As debate ensues about how the Republic of Syskeyia should spend its §2.8 trillion military budget surplus, voices have sprung up declaring that Syskeyia should do something about the millions of Colt M16A4s currently in use.

The controversy was sparked by news that the military of the United States of America was going to phase out the 40-year old firearm. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=540&e=4&u=/ap/20031122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_goodbye_m_16)

"To quote an anonymous US Army commander, 'Iraq is the final nail in the coffin for the M-16,'" remarked a representative of Heckler-Koch NS. "With all this money, the Republic should ditch the obsolete weapon for the new XM8 Lightweight Assault rifle (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm). It's time to move on to the future."

Others, however, disagreed.

"Sure, the American M16s may jam up, but ours don't, thanks to the gas piston systems we installed," remarks Lt. Basil Tunih of the 28th Armored Divison. "Besides, you think I want to give up my tri-bayonet lug* for a gun that has no provisions for bayonets? I don't think so.

As talk continues, the most popular option, both among the Syskeyian Parliament and members of the armed forces, is to get a new top for the M16 that will enable it to fire 6.8mm rounds, gaining much more stopping power (http://64.177.53.248/ubb/Forum78/HTML/000512.html). The only concern, however, is whether this modification would allow troops to successfully fire the Luchaire hand/rifle grenades** currently in use.

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

*A modified M16 baynet lug that allows two bayonets to be fixed sideways on the rifle, either on the left or the right. While, theoretically, you could fix 3 bayonets to your rifle :twisted: , in practice the bayonet is fixed to one fo the points, while other eqipment is attached to the others, i.e. a bayonet on one side lug, a laser sight on the botton lug and a flashlight on the other side.

**Grenades that can either be thrown by hand, or extended and fired from a rifle. I found references here (http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/riflehandgrenades.htm) and here (http://www.combat-online.com/grenade.htm) to British troops using said grenades in Gulf War I, and Luchaire grenades are mentioned in this French addon for Operation Flashpoint (http://ofrp.free.fr/en/index.php?deb=4). Anyone esle have more info on them?

Keep the M16. Its a great gun.

You know, the butt end of an M16 rifle can leave you a big BUMP on the head...

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

2.8 trillion surplus? what kind of army are you running there?

take the money and sink it into developing a new rifle that meets your needs.

:tantrum: Im an newbie. bang 'em !

2.8 trillion surplus? what kind of army are you running there?

take the money and sink it into developing a new rifle that meets your needs. :twisted: WHAT?! WTF

:!: :oops: 8) :( plz imtruduce something more peaceful than M16s, maybe fists. :shock:

OOC: The XM whatever looks like the final version of the OICW. I'd keep the M16, it's not very expensive, it's accurate, lighter, and reasonably durable. This XM thing looks pretty expensive. Did you hear about the nanofabric that the military is developing? It gives the wearer greater strength by responding to the electrical impulses that also move the muscles. It will also tighten around gunshot wounds to slow the bleeding. Spiffy, huh?

:o maybe not

hahahaahha here www.flashplayer.com :evil:

If you decide to replace your M16's please contact us. We are interested in taking them off your hands. We would love to get our hands on some second hand guns.

~Ministry of Defence
Bargain weapons aquiring division.

We'll buy any unwanted M16s. Tried sticking an M203 on an AK-47?

OOC: I'm probably going to go for the 6.8mm bullet solution, though I am concerned about the rifle grenades. Do you think you can fire a bullet-trap rifle grenade designed for a 5.56mm bullet using a 6.8mm round? Our should I sell my Luchaire hand/rifle grenades and make up some of my "own" hand/rifle grenades?

Don't you think that this (http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/docgkr/myhomepage/6.8mm_Barrett.jpg) looks awesome? (Just needs a bayonet lug (or three ;), and extend the barrel out to M16 level, and that's whqat my troops will probably have as their M16n upper.)

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

You should replace your M16s with the Imitoran made CAR-21. The CAR-21 is a 6.8x43mm rifle, based on the Armalite serries of rifles, however it has been locally modified to insure a lighter, more acurate rifle. The CAR-21, in meltdown tests, has fired over 100,000 rounds before jamming, and has never faild troops in desert, jungle, or urban combat. The CAR-21 comes with full length 20mm rails in order to mount any and all 20mm rail accesories.

http://www.boomarms.com/collector/MRE/1.jpg

http://www.boomarms.com/collector/OLKA/870_203/1.jpg

http://thewebsage.com/images/Bump.gif

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia

If you decide to replace your M16's please contact us. We are interested in taking them off your hands. We would love to get our hands on some second hand guns.

~Ministry of Defence
Bargain weapons aquiring division.

*coughcough* Ahem

Our Republic's military replaced our M16 rifles long ago for a more efficient weapon. As of now, we use the Fabruique Nationale F2000. A very nice rifle, especially with the 40mm grenade launcher on it.

We highly recommend it as a replacement for the M16.

http://invisionfree.com/forums/Bomfyworld_Forums/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=45%20
Chief General Jason Taylor
Centrist Republic of Aequatio

OOC: Damn, lost first long post to web-craziness.
IC:
While we cannot ask Syskeyia to follow any of our advice, we offer it freely with the hope that it will benefit our friends.

In WA, we've found our TAR-21 Tavors to be the best option for the standard infantryman and its cousins (the STAR, CTAR, and MTAR) are very good weapons for basic infantry support and specialist weapons.

In terms of certain, special duties, however, the M16 variants known as the CAR-15, Colt Commando, and M4A1 have proven themselves to be very reliable and generally useful weapons. The M16 family, except for when it is needed as a specialty weapon, was rarely used until about two years ago, when the 6.8mm adaptation for the M16 was introduced. This larger caliber is very useful as a specialty weapon within a squad (although logistics are made more complicated at those times) or as a highly effective 'security weapon' for convoy escourts, who need a powerful weapon to engage what are often overwhelmingly powerful enemy assaults and who do not need to worry much about transporting and storing the ammunition (since they can do so within their vehicle).

Specialty ammunitions, such as blended metal rounds, are in late-stage testing and have been test-deployed by some special operations units (it is not a standard-infantry round and the 6.8mm is a better 'man-stopper' for less-well trained GIs).

OOC: I found that link a few weeks back and tried to figure out how to integrate it, but other issues overcame me before I could do anything.

Right now, I'm considering making a Tavor variant with the 6.8mm round to simplify the logistical load...would you be interested in such a thing?

Blended Metal Ammo:
http://www.militarycity.com/blackwater/blackwater2.html#BLENDED
http://www.rense.com/general45/priva.htm
(as a note: the Army Times journal link (about blended ammo) launches a RealPlayer file when the page is opened and it has crashed my computer twice)

Something about ammo for the nice 6.8mm upper:
http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/airborne_combat_engineer/2003/11/barrett_introdu.html

A general ammo discussion:
http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/21stcenturyrifle.htm

Something on Rifle Grenades:
http://www.isayeret.com/gear/simon/simon.htm
http://www.geocities.com/equipmentshop/riflehandgrenades.htm

I'd be glad to work on a rifle-fired grenade for the larger caliber (especially if I'm going to up-size the Tavors).

We'll buy any unwanted M16s. Tried sticking an M203 on an AK-47?

Didn't Israel do that with their Galil?

The Galil of course being an Israeli produced AK varient.

OOC: Interesting stuff, Syskeyia and WA...

IC:

Although the Omzian Homeland Defense Forces (OHDF) has never offically deployed the M16 in services, we do have various temporatory modifications for our O18 Rifles (hybrid between AK-108/Galil and M4) and M8 Lightweight Assualt Rifles. One of them of course, are the modification to have our rifles to fire the revolutionary 6.8mm round, which proves to be a much powerful ammo.

If the Syskeyians wants to add gadgets instead of "real" modifications, we could suggest some things such as our scopes.

--Statement from NGDD--

Greetings, Syskeyian military services! We, too, for many years have used the M16, the M16A4 being our main infantry rifle for a decade. However, with the retirement of the M16 by the United States, we have realized that we must move forward.

A completely new rifle was co-designed by our operatives and Imitoran operatives, the NGR-18. It features the 6.8 millimeter ammunition that was mentioned, and is generally lighter and shorter than the bulky M16. The barrel length is slightly shorter, but it's a sacrifice we are willing to make.

So, our suggestion is, design a new rifle or adopt the XM-8 rifle, rechambering it with 6.8 millimeter ammunition, of course.

I'd be glad to work on a rifle-fired grenade for the larger caliber (especially if I'm going to up-size the Tavors).

That would be great. Perhaps we could help you. We'd love such a grenade, just as long as the new grenades can be used as hand grenades without the need for add-ons. (Check the geocities rife/hand grenade page- the topic is discussed) OOC: Since I technically won't resume RPing until this Friday, we could begin "development" now and get it all the logistic things... well... God knows when. :D

Anyway, I think that I'll to the M16 with 6.8mm thing.

So our M16s will soon probably look like this:
http://groups.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=MyPhotos_GetPubPhoto&PhotoID=nJwAAAPsLycLNnnSRK8AX9XCa3LBYhaDDNpkJCqpRQVC6BC14dgEYxrhFQcg4Ut27DbFKgZaOfQ0

And our M4s will have uppers like this:
http://groups.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=MyPhotos_GetPubPhoto&PhotoID=nJwAAAPALcMFc0TyL7IcQWFs89WvYgrF!kysE!rRpKuwJtuakKiixatWAP*!H*Tqom3C4zDtQRHI
(Our course, the M4 uppers will probably be black or camo, and all the rifles will have are triple bayonet lug. :D )

God bless,

The Republic of Syskeyia