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Greetings. We are a developing country and have recently had a problem with elven overpopulation. We thought this would be a good time for elf haters to get together, meet each other, and solve this problem which we are sure you have too. This will begin in ~1 RL week. Hosted in sister country Ribletn.

You could always begin deporting elves, starting with those that are least productive to your society. Or you could start to curb their civil or political rights and thus drive them from your lands. We never granted elvenkind any rights in the firstplace, so we don't get many elves trying to visit-much less live-in Wretchengard, and that's how we'd prefer it.

I would advise you not to directly kill the excess elven population however, as you will most likely be attacked by one of the numerous bothersome point-eared nations out there.

Bradley Steelblood
Overlord of Wretchengard

the solution then is obvious, the elven nations band together, so must we. The elven menace has remained for far to long, if you execute them I shall grant you full protection from the elves.

An angry Matsue protester starts yelling:
STOP THE DISCRIMINATION. ELVES ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE TOO!
He is then dragged away.

An angry Matsue protester starts yelling:
STOP THE DISCRIMINATION. ELVES ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE TOO!
He is then dragged away.
coulda fooled me :)

An angry Matsue protester starts yelling:
STOP THE DISCRIMINATION. ELVES ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE TOO!
He is then dragged away.
coulda fooled me :)
OOC: What are you implying? :?

We find that slight cosmetic surgery at birth and proper education can make elves into proper and productive citizens, especially prized for their long lives in skilled labor jobs.

"The infidel elves should be given no remorse in anyway, such would be a great sin! Kill them! And let their blood clense you of your sins my sons!"--Decree of Tsar Ungrek the holy!

An angry Matsue protester starts yelling:
STOP THE DISCRIMINATION. ELVES ARE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE TOO!
He is then dragged away.
coulda fooled me :)
OOC: What are you implying? :?
I'm assuming that elves are not intelligent people

the solution then is obvious, the elven nations band together, so must we. The elven menace has remained for far to long, if you execute them I shall grant you full protection from the elves.

"Grant full protection from the elves?. You can't do that, sorry. Not even Melkor could guarrant those warraties".

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral

"Alsoran, if you have some problems with elves, just deport them, expel them, to a country of elves or elven-friendly, as we're trying to do with humans. As a matter of fact, we can exchange your elves for our humans if you want to. And everybody is happy!. However, if you burn/kill/harm/stomp/execute/hang/crush those elves, you are going to have several angry elves seeking retribution. Me included"

Archdux Felaris Phaelos. Racial Advisor of Aelosia.

Korhend laughed maniacly hearing the elven nations threat "Your half the size of my force and Alsoran alone could defeat them, the elves are stupid as they are weak"

"The infidel elves should be given no remorse in anyway, such would be a great sin! Kill them! And let their blood clense you of your sins my sons!"--Decree of Tsar Ungrek the holy!

Illnevel has been added to the "Non-desirable nation" list, this nation is also a prospect to be added to the "Next targets to obliterate" list.

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral.

You don't necessarily have to deport the elves, there are many uses for them, they make cheap efficient slave labor, especially in my country for the assembly of automobiles. They also seem to be very high in protein, so they can make an adequate food source.

their flesh is extremely tender and makes a fine delicacy

Korhend, you are juat afriad of the elves, and unlike Aelosia, i am not half your size.

*ahem*

Y'all do know that the elven supporting nations could defeat you within minutes even if y'all stood together? If you rp something contra-elves, than at least make the effort to provide an IC explanation of your hatred for them.

Just stating 'elves are dumb and lazy, and should be killed' is not a very productive start of any rp, and ensures you of receiving no respect whatsoever from any respected rp-er.

*tag**switches to Anti-Elf Nation*

your right, you may be worth my time if you were to work together, however we fear not pathetic elves.

I also support the elves, infact, my whole nation is 98% elves and 2%humans, and we treat all with equal respect.( i was resurected, so I am a very power nation not made in august)

"I can assure you, elf flesh is not a fantastic delicacy, from personal experience, I shall also be sending a representative to the confrence you propose."

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Princeps Senatus Karl Kopinski
'Benevolent' Quasi-Dictator of the C'tan Confederacy, Excecutive of all states, colonies, holdings, and protectorates therein.

You don't necessarily have to deport the elves, there are many uses for them, they make cheap efficient slave labor, especially in my country for the assembly of automobiles. They also seem to be very high in protein, so they can make an adequate food source.

Oblivione has been added to the "Non-desirable nation" list, this nation is also a prospect to be added to the "Next targets to obliterate" list. Ahem, and to think that some people still rejects my Human Banning Decree. This statements will very useful in the Noble's Gathering. Humans must be banned.

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral.

your right, you may be worth my time if you were to work together, however we fear not pathetic elves.
OOC: Korhend: You avoided Menelmacari retribution in your previous thread by stating it was fantasy-tech RP. Per the Menelmacari RP policy, continuing to associate with modern-tech and/or future-tech nations will negate the OOC protection you receive from me not particularly wanting to beat down a lower tech nation.

~Siri

No, we must not ban humans, that will make us just like them. We must not stoop to their level!

Elves? As food? Ewww... That's a little too much like canabalism. I mean they look almost human and the genome isn't THAT different... Simply enslave them. And before I get added to any more lists... let me explain.

Slave Caste:
31% Human
39% Elvish
22% Orcish
8% Other

The Slave Caste is made up of many different races, all provided with free education, healthcare, food and other needs. In addition they get a monthly government budget to buy things to improve the apartments provided. They are the most numerous of any caste and are therefore given special consideration in public affairs. Happiness among them is priority. Happiness=Productivity=Profit.

Now, doesn't sound as bad as you though, eh? I treat my lowest caste bette than most free nations treat their citizens. And I am called evil. Ironic, no?

I'll attend the conference. As long as my gaurds are satisfied with security, that is...


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Overlord Var'chak
Supreme Ruler of The Annexed States of Baggera (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=baggera)
Member: Arda Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=arda)
Member: World Biochem Proliferation Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91463)
Member: GDODAD (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95324)

EDIT: Fixed the stats.

Elves? As food? Ewww... That's a little too much like canabalism. I mean they look almost human and the genome isn't THAT different... Simply enslave them. And before I get added to any more lists... let me explain.

Slave Caste:
31% Human
39% Elvish
52% Orcish
18% Other

The Slave Caste is made up of many different races, all provided with free education, healthcare, food and other needs. In addition they get a monthly government budget to buy things to improve the apartments provided. They are the most numerous of any caste and are therefore given special consideration in public affairs. Happiness among them is priority. Happiness=Productivity=Profit.

Now, doesn't sound as bad as you though, eh? I treat my lowest caste bette than most free nations treat their citizens. And I am called evil. Ironic, no?

I'll attend the conference. As long as my gaurds are satisfied with security, that is...


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Overlord Var'chak
Supreme Ruler of The Annexed States of Baggera (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=baggera)
Member: Arda Alliance (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_region/region=arda)
Member: World Biochem Proliferation Treaty (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91463)
Member: GDODAD (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95324)

Baggera has 140% population?

Baggera has 140% population?Excuse me?

EDIT: Oh. Ooops. I'll correct that and that is not percentage of my population. It is a breakdown of only the Slave Caste

God Is Great! The wonderful nation of Vegana contains of 100% humans. We are very pleased that you have become aware of the elven Threat. There is one simple solution and its embracing god and the Blood and Honour laws. That will cleanse your body and soul as well as your nation from these parasites. Defusing the elven threat in your nations will make them stronger and proud and able to withstand the onslaught on our race from the subhumans. Blood and Honour laws is the final solution and most suitable for all nations. Spread the laws and live in the grace of god and The Reich

One God!
One Reich!
One Führer!


OOC:
Blood and Honour thread
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96873

Please do not go and write threads like "KiL All da ElfZ!" use some style, like esamopia in this thread.
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96219

OOC: Pfft. Ethnic Purity. That's a crock. It only starts the process of grand scal inbreeding. In a few centuries your nation will have all kinds of genetic problems, like Japan, half thier populace might as well be blind. My dad produces the contact lenses for Johnson & Johnson and most of the +8 and up go to Japan. They gave themselves genetic problems by keeping the society 'pure' and now are paying for it.

The Matsue Council declares slavery inhumane, and if it is decided, war will be waged.

OOC: Pfft. Ethnic Purity. That's a crock. It only starts the process of grand scal inbreeding. In a few centuries your nation will have all kinds of genetic problems, like Japan, half thier populace might as well be blind. My dad produces the contact lenses for Johnson & Johnson and most of the +8 and up go to Japan. They gave themselves genetic problems by keeping the society 'pure' and now are paying for it.

OOC: Well, I guess my genepool is slightly larger (about 14 times) than japans and that our way of life will weed out the less suitable. No weak genes in The Reich :wink:

The Matsue Council declares slavery inhumane, and if it is decided, war will be waged.Inhumane? Man, I have a new satalite TV system with 1500 channels! I have new clothes, a challenging job I enjoy and know I'm going to have until retirement, a safe place to live that is always going to be there. I could go on but it's easier just to laugh at you. Besides my favorite show is coming on.

-Random Slave

*raises hand*

'Excuuuuuse me...but if elves are completely equal to human anatomy, with the only difference being them having longer lifespans, how does that make them inferior?'

*raises hand*

'Excuuuuuse me...but if elves are completely equal to human anatomy, with the only difference being them having longer lifespans, how does that make them inferior?'Who said they were equal? I said the genome is quite similar. While the Elves have longer lives normally, they do not in Baggera, thanks to genetic engineering. Also we boosted the strength up a bit.

Also, I consider them equal to any human. I treat all of the people in each caste equally, meaning an elf has the same rights as a human. Which is to say... few, if any.

Fools! Why this hatred towards elves? Foolish Tau'ri! Do you not know that elves make excellent housing?! You are throwing away not only a productive species, but also a valuable piece of Real Estate! Can you not see what you are giving up?
Lord Sokar

Problem, we were not aware of any problem!
But seriously, would not the deportation of population cause the removal of a large portion of your intellectual elite who are necessary for the maintenance of any developing economy. I would classify the majority of Elves under 'intellectual elite' because they are deemed wisest amongst all beings.

Prime Minister Manalir Produnir
Head of State
The Most Serene Republic of Tranquillia

Your ignorance never ceases to amaze me. Whenever humans deign to call a conference on the widespread Elven threat, it seems to be little more than idle jabber.

Elves are not intrinsically "inferior" to humans in any conventional sense. They're faster, lighter, [sometimes] smarter, and they live longer. The strength of the Human race does need to be forced on them however. Centuries of decadence and opulence have weakened the Elves. Sitting in their vast palaces, seeking only riches and influence, they care nothing for the troubles of others. They mock the dwarves for this, but are little more than an admittedly fairer mirror image.

The Humans have exerted themselves to no end to better the world with beautiful works of art, literature, and even warfare. All the greatness we see before us in this age is almost exclusively the product of mankind. The Elves, while not inferior on a basic level, are a lackluster race with ambitions far exceeding their impotent, softened clutches.


Therefore the Elven menace must be dealt with on a scale much larger than any of you have envisioned. Enslaving your elves will do little. Unless you're me [which none of you are], Menelmacar and the rest of Siri's sycophant allies will march their armies down your throats in seconds. Any attempt at genocide will be met with a more violent response, including naltions that would otherwise be categorized as "neutral."

I suggest the lot of you evaluate the situation on a much larger scale and resume deliberations. I will reserve guidance unless it is requested. I've been dealing with the Elves ever since they awoke in Arda.

Now y'all be good little warmongers and listen to Melkor. He knows more of the situation than all of you together, and history has proven him right time after time again. You know why the elves are still here? Because people like you keep ensuring them of international support when you start the genocide and related degenerating activities.

It never ceases to amaze me how so many still think of this as an "elven problem." It isn't, it is a human problem.

The rise in power of elves over humans is a direct result not of biology, but of society. As a whole, we humans have lost our way. We gather in petty squables over insignifigant and all to often false information, ideas, and desires. We gather like sheep in the belief that so-called gods like Melkor or Siri will protect and guide us. We have lost our heritage, we have lost our belief in our own abilities.

It is true, that in the large scale of the universe, we humans are but tiny motes of dust. But to believe only that is to skim over the wonder and beauty of the complexity of the universe. We are strong, both as individuals and as societies.

We each have the power to help, to harm...to teach or scam, to heal or kill. We each have the power to accomplish our goals, and to accomplish larger goals together. But we don't...we don't. We flock to individuals of other races, other species, to do their bidding.

It is only when an addict realizes the problem is his that he can cure himself. It is only when we humans realize the problem is ours that we can take steps to do what all biological beings are programmed by evolution to do, to ensure the survival of the species.

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-Sandman

'Siri a God? Bwahahahaaaa!!!'

'Yeah! And Melkor too, ahahahahaaa!'

Seriously, this whole divinity thing is just silly.

Therefore the Elven menace must be dealt with on a scale much larger than any of you have envisioned. Enslaving your elves will do little. Unless you're me [which none of you are], Menelmacar and the rest of Siri's sycophant allies will march their armies down your throats in seconds. Any attempt at genocide will be met with a more violent response, including naltions that would otherwise be categorized as "neutral."Please. I enslave the elves, the humans, the Orcs and any other sentient/semi-sentient creature I can get work out of and even Siri's mildly insane lapdog Roania does little more than toss snide comments my way.(OOC: Which has developed into a rather entertaining shouting match)

I have watched too many nations be crushed by genocide to consider it, besides which it seems to make the rest of the populace unhappy, which throws off the happiness=productivity=profit equation.

As far as I can tell right now, the EOTED doesn't like me, but doesn't see me as a threat or doesn't see me as harsh enough on the populace(OOC: the slaves live middle class American lifestyles, for crying out loud!) to gain any sort of the large support that would be needed to take me out easily.

Elves are not intrinsically "inferior" to humans in any conventional sense. They're faster, lighter, [sometimes] smarter, and they live longer. The strength of the Human race does need to be forced on them however. Centuries of decadence and opulence have weakened the Elves. Sitting in their vast palaces, seeking only riches and influence, they care nothing for the troubles of others. They mock the dwarves for this, but are little more than an admittedly fairer mirror image.

OOC:

I'm glad you came back to the forums!. This universe won't be the same now that the true villain is still around.

IC:

"So, the Dark enemy have awaken again. We're prepared to face him as we face him in the First Age. The Sindarin are more powerful now that we got the technology to face our enemies".

ShadowPrince Kithail Hyral.

'Siri a God? Bwahahahaaaa!!!'

'Yeah! And Melkor too, ahahahahaaa!'

Seriously, this whole divinity thing is just silly.

OOC: Perhaps you didn't read very carefully, those sentiments mirror Sandman's. He doesn't think either is a god, but recognizes that many people do.

Please go back and actually read first.

'Siri a God? Bwahahahaaaa!!!'

'Yeah! And Melkor too, ahahahahaaa!'

Seriously, this whole divinity thing is just silly.

OOC: Perhaps you didn't read very carefully, those sentiments mirror Sandman's. He doesn't think either is a god, but recognizes that many people do.

Please go back and actually read first.

I was merely reinforcing your statement with a little comic relief. It's just that you bringing up the topic of divinity of Melkor and Siri made me remind some funny stuff.

Therefore the Elven menace must be dealt with on a scale much larger than any of you have envisioned. Enslaving your elves will do little. Unless you're me [which none of you are], Menelmacar and the rest of Siri's sycophant allies will march their armies down your throats in seconds. Any attempt at genocide will be met with a more violent response, including naltions that would otherwise be categorized as "neutral."Please. I enslave the elves, the humans, the Orcs and any other sentient/semi-sentient creature I can get work out of and even Siri's mildly insane lapdog Roania does little more than toss snide comments my way.(OOC: Which has developed into a rather entertaining shouting match)

I have watched too many nations be crushed by genocide to consider it, besides which it seems to make the rest of the populace unhappy, which throws off the happiness=productivity=profit equation.

As far as I can tell right now, the EOTED doesn't like me, but doesn't see me as a threat or doesn't see me as harsh enough on the populace(OOC: the slaves live middle class American lifestyles, for crying out loud!) to gain any sort of the large support that would be needed to take me out easily.I hate when my comments get stuck at the bottem of the last page. People usualy don't see them.

ooc: I said THAT RP was fantasy tech, that doesn't mean I don't carry keep updated on a futuristic version.

OK everyone. We can rant about elves once the conference starts. But our Emir will be moderating.

If you will attend please provide the name of your delegate. And please make him human, our Emir is highly allergic to any sentient being however with intense therapy he was brought to a tolerance of humans.

"I highly reccomend all civilized and tollerant individuals avoid this meeting. It reeks of racism and ideological extremism rather then science and philosophical ideals. Such an organization can be neither healthy nor safe for its members and all societies nearby."

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-Sandman

Please. I enslave the elves, the humans, the Orcs and any other sentient/semi-sentient creature I can get work out of and even Siri's mildly insane lapdog Roania does little more than toss snide comments my way.(OOC: Which has developed into a rather entertaining shouting match)

OOC: Of course, actually calling for an attack against you could be hypocrisy because in Roania orcs are considered little more than un-sentient labor, capable of nothing more than bizarre grunting...

Oh, now *you're* starting with the lapdog thing. :x


IC: We call upon all intelligent people to avoid this small, insignifigant nation... which is about to have very painful things to occur to it.

Any day now. Once we get the go-ahead. And the Prince stops vetoing orders to attack.

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Grand Vizier Alysanndra Ellestrea
Most Holy Principality of Roania
Official Minion of Menelmacar

OOC: I put the lapdpg thing in there so you HAD to respond. ;)

IC: Uh-huh. Small? You must be tiny in that case. We DO outweigh you by about 810 thousand people.

Damn elves think you can boss me around... *incomprenhensible grumblings* If you weren't attached so closely to Siri, you'd by in the slave caste at the moment. Or... a more revealing job.

Gaurd: Ooo... kinky.
Var'chak: *shoots gaurd*
Gaurd: Ow, what in the fu-AHHH!
Var'chak: *shoots gaurd again* When I shoot you it means 'Shut the hell up!' Moron...

OOC: The nation holding the conference, Prince Alexander is in one of his... churchhillian moods.

We are willing to receive elves if you are going to expel them. Never hurts to add to the internal market and workforce; we don't have a preference.

OOC: I should note that the good standard of living in Baggera is the primary reason we haven't gone after them yet.

~Siri

Could we quit the OOC posts and get to saying who will attend the conference? The conference will, if I can get around to it, begin Thursday; it will be good if your delegates arrive day of the conference; the Emir can host you for a couple days after the conference but before we're tied up in dinners and meetings etc.

Fly in to Frngisplitdiditn on the day of the conference, and you will be met by our representatives.

Could we quit the OOC posts and get to saying who will attend the conference? The conference will, if I can get around to it, begin Thursday; it will be good if your delegates arrive day of the conference; the Emir can host you for a couple days after the conference but before we're tied up in dinners and meetings etc.

Fly in to Frngisplitdiditn on the day of the conference, and you will be met by our representatives.

Why did you not ask us when you decided to host the conference in our country?

Could we quit the OOC posts and get to saying who will attend the conference? The conference will, if I can get around to it, begin Thursday; it will be good if your delegates arrive day of the conference; the Emir can host you for a couple days after the conference but before we're tied up in dinners and meetings etc.

Fly in to Frngisplitdiditn on the day of the conference, and you will be met by our representatives.

Why did you not ask us when you decided to host the conference in our country?

The Mrnishirgagtn Building. Remember?

"Oh yes. You own that. Well, be it known that while Ribletn does not condemn, it cannot condone slavery. We urge you not to take this path; however, Ribletn is Ribletn and Alsoran is Alsoran, and we will not interfere with your affairs."

We here at the Imperium feel that it's an altogether bad idea to announce such a conference to the international community. As such, it is our perogative to abstain from sending a dignitary, under the pretense that the conference will almost certainly be attacked by emboldened elves.

We will, however, be in direct communication with the conference if at all possible via some sort of video transmission. Lord Alkanphel will be our most likely candidate.

Perhaps in the future, when you all are serious about solving this problem for good, you may take it uponyourself to call a secret meeting, perhaps within our relatively safe borders.

Surely no one would be foolish enough to attack a delegation in Angband.

We here at the Imperium feel that it's an altogether bad idea to announce such a conference to the international community. As such, it is our perogative to abstain from sending a dignitary, under the pretense that the conference will almost certainly be attacked by emboldened elves.

We will, however, be in direct communication with the conference if at all possible via some sort of video transmission. Lord Alkanphel will be our most likely candidate.

Perhaps in the future, when you all are serious about solving this problem for good, you may take it uponyourself to call a secret meeting, perhaps within our relatively safe borders.

Surely no one would be foolish enough to attack a delegation in Angband.

You did do one like this, as I recall.

We here at the Imperium feel that it's an altogether bad idea to announce such a conference to the international community. As such, it is our perogative to abstain from sending a dignitary, under the pretense that the conference will almost certainly be attacked by emboldened elves.

We will, however, be in direct communication with the conference if at all possible via some sort of video transmission. Lord Alkanphel will be our most likely candidate.

Perhaps in the future, when you all are serious about solving this problem for good, you may take it uponyourself to call a secret meeting, perhaps within our relatively safe borders.

Surely no one would be foolish enough to attack a delegation in Angband.

But surely none would dare attack Ribletn, where the conference is hosted? Ribletn, a neutral country who actually likes elves a little? That's why it's hosted there. Ingenious eh?

And I am serious.

I won't be here until Wednesday, probably Thursday. So if someone could keep this bumped?

Melkor if you would rather stay in touch via video contact that can be arranged...but we'd rather you attend in person. However, whatever you wish!

One last bump...please keep this bumped...

Well this is no good! We can't have a conference if only one person is coming! :x :x :o

So I'm going to put off the beginning time. Until later when more people come.

And I do wish someone had bumped this while I was gone, oh well.

And I do wish someone had bumped this while I was gone, oh well.

Grrrrrrrrr. BUMP!!!

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