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How Roania has a 15% military

It's quite simple, really.

Roania uses a few simple things to ensure a large army/Airforce/navy/Galactic Fleet, depending on timeline.

1. Everyone between age 18-42 is drafted, male or female. Once your three year tour of duty is finished, you can be called upon at anytime to join the army. Failure to rejoin when called upon is an act of treason, punishable by death.

((*People going for university degrees may gain a stay of drafting))

2. The armed forces are the only way for members of the lowest classes to raise theirselves; It's a meritocracy, and it teaches them how to read and so on.

3. The Roanian Government controls: The factories that make the weapons and vehicles and the mines that get the ores the weapons and vehicles are made from. Labor costs are cheap, because government workers have most of their needs provided for them by the government.

4. At no time are civilians allowed any where near the governing apparatus of the military. The current Minister for the Armed Forces was a general, and most of the lower positions are filled with staff officers and Civil Servants/

5. If, by some chance, two months after you leave school you are unemployed, than the government will provide you with a permanent job. Such positions, depending on the level of education attained, can include: Becoming an RIAS assassin/spy; A Private/Rating in the military; a Civil Servant; a Teacher; a warlabs scientist; a warlabs guinea pig.

Any questions?

How does that address any of the actual concerns one might have regarding such high percentages of military occupation?

Those being matters of support, both military and economic.

And why hasn't such a massive and brutally oppressed force killed every last member of the lunatic regime?

How does that address any of the actual concerns one might have regarding such high percentages of military occupation?

Those being matters of support, both military and economic.

And why hasn't such a massive and brutally oppressed force killed every last member of the lunatic regime?

In answer to point number one... I never said they were all active personell, did I? :? Maybe 5% of my population are active service. However, the economic points never seemed to apply very well to non-democratic regimes.

In response to point 2... why did no-one ever turn against the Soviet Regime? Terror.

Oh, and when Israel gets overthrown by the Israelis, then we'll talk about draft.

Wait.. the Soviet Union's still up and running? I thought you guys broke up!

"Ahhaha! That's what we wanted you to think!"

Uhm. I think Israel has a rather highly educated population and some room for social progress, and even a slight aversion to slaughtering its own people (if nothing else because it has so few)!

Uhm. I think Israel has a rather highly educated population and some room for social progress, and even a slight aversion to slaughtering its own people (if nothing else because it has so few)!

Well, that's Israel. This is a Police State/Semi-Absolute monarchy. Please take your democratic ideals to the scrapheap in which they belong.

Lets say i have compulsory military service, how many % would i have ?

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

Lets say i have compulsory military service, how many % would i have ?

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

Depends on how you do it. The Roanian Elite considers its lessers to be little more than intelligent animals, so they don't care.

120 million military? :lol:

Wait.. the Soviet Union's still up and running? I thought you guys broke up!

"Ahhaha! That's what we wanted you to think!"

I love that quote.

hmmm.......... OK, lets say all members of all castes must be tested to become warriors at the age of 18, and 20% to 30% of them fail each year (the trails are VERY tough). Then approx how many percent?

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

120 million military? :lol:

Wait.. the Soviet Union's still up and running? I thought you guys broke up!

"Ahhaha! That's what we wanted you to think!"

I love that quote.

lol
ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

120 million military? :lol:

:?: :?: :?:

hmmm.......... OK, lets say all members of all castes must be tested to become warriors at the age of 18, and 20% to 30% of them fail each year (the trails are VERY tough). Then approx how many percent?

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

Well... it depends on how many people there are. Maybe, maybe, if that's about all you do for military growth, 8%

Even to have a 5% military is a godmod.Think of it like this you have to pay benefits,retirement,salaries,etc.Look at the US military it has 1.2 million people but can deploy only about 400,000.They also have the best military and they only have like .5% in the military.Look at Chinas military it has like 2 million people but is not very well trained and equipped and cannot be deployed.

<ooc> OK, thanks. maybe i'll try and fine tune the system alittle and find out what the exact numbers are </ooc>

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

Even to have a 5% military is a godmod.Think of it like this you have to pay benefits,retirement,salaries,etc.Look at the US military it has 1.2 million people but can deploy only about 400,000.They also have the best military and they only have like .5% in the military.Look at Chinas military it has like 2 million people but is not very well trained and equipped and cannot be deployed.

How bout the Singaporean military?

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

Even to have a 5% military is a godmod.Think of it like this you have to pay benefits,retirement,salaries,etc.Look at the US military it has 1.2 million people but can deploy only about 400,000.They also have the best military and they only have like .5% in the military.Look at Chinas military it has like 2 million people but is not very well trained and equipped and cannot be deployed.

Did you read the entire thread? Or just the first part?

You should realistically only have a 2% military or less.Now there are a few exceptions like during war and stuff like that.

Uhm. I think Israel has a rather highly educated population and some room for social progress, and even a slight aversion to slaughtering its own people (if nothing else because it has so few)!

Well, that's Israel. This is a Police State/Semi-Absolute monarchy. Please take your democratic ideals to the scrapheap in which they belong.

Quite.. and that's why Israel's governemnt hasn't fallen to armed revolutionaries, and why yours..erm..almost certainly would have by now, if we were being realistic.
But..oh well, whatever floats yer boat.

Even to have a 5% military is a godmod.Think of it like this you have to pay benefits,retirement,salaries,etc.Look at the US military it has 1.2 million people but can deploy only about 400,000.They also have the best military and they only have like .5% in the military.Look at Chinas military it has like 2 million people but is not very well trained and equipped and cannot be deployed.

Did you read the entire thread? Or just the first part?


Yes i read the whole thread.

<ooc>Ah well.... i'll go and sit down during my free time and calculate............................... anyway, the use of Battle Armour (similar to 'mechs) will greatly increase the power of my military, but it'll greatly raise the cost as well :( </ooc>

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

You should realistically only have a 2% military or less.Now there are a few exceptions like during war and stuff like that.

Yes, but realistically how many totalitarian regimes are there? Forget democracy. Roania has no democracy. It has an arbitrarily appointed Grand Vizier, chosen by the professional and noble classes.

Take, more, Hitler's regime, or the Soviet Union. The people have no more purpose in life than to serve the state. The draft is always, peace time, war time, etc.

CCK is a military Clan. We live for war.

A warrior needs a war...

ƒR×Kaos Kestrel

15% is a ridiculously high amount, even for 2/3 of your personnel being on non-active duty. Equipment still has to be maintained, and there are dozens of costs just to maintain a 10% reserve that would put a strain on national coffers. Add that to a 5% active military roster (which is again far too high), and you'll be lucky if you have enough money to by your country a Happy Meal by the time the fiscal year ends.

Nikea has mandatory 1-year military service, and an (almost) 1.6 billion population, and has less than 1/3 the amount of troops you are proposing with your 15% plan, because there is no feasible way to support that high a number. Military numbers max at 2% during elevated threats (Nikea has never gone to war), and during peace time are more like 0.8%-1%. Unless you have a money making machine in your basement, 15% is far too high, even given the stipulations given above.

You should realistically only have a 2% military or less.Now there are a few exceptions like during war and stuff like that.

Yes, but realistically how many totalitarian regimes are there? Forget democracy. Roania has no democracy. It has an arbitrarily appointed Grand Vizier, chosen by the professional and noble classes.

Take, more, Hitler's regime, or the Soviet Union. The people have no more purpose in life than to serve the state. The draft is always, peace time, war time, etc.


Well that is true but that means you have a really crappy but very large military.You military is mostly farmers with AK47s.Also and look at what happened to Nazi Germany and the USSR they both ceased to exist.Your government would be overthrown.

15% is a ridiculously high amount, even for 2/3 of your personnel being on non-active duty. Equipment still has to be maintained, and there are dozens of costs just to maintain a 10% reserve that would put a strain on national coffers. Add that to a 5% active military roster (which is again far too high), and you'll be lucky if you have enough money to by your country a Happy Meal by the time the fiscal year ends.

Nikea has mandatory 1-year military service, and an (almost) 1.6 billion population, and has less than 1/3 the amount of troops you are proposing with your 15% plan, because there is no feasible way to support that high. Military numbers max at 2% during elevated threats (Nikea has never gone to war), and during peace time are more like 0.8%-1%. Unless you have a money making machine in your basement, 15% is far too high, even given the stipulations given above.


100% correct!

Not overthrown, but smashed to pieces.

15% is a ridiculously high amount, even for 2/3 of your personnel being on non-active duty. Equipment still has to be maintained, and there are dozens of costs just to maintain a 10% reserve that would put a strain on national coffers. Add that to a 5% active military roster (which is again far too high), and you'll be lucky if you have enough money to by your country a Happy Meal by the time the fiscal year ends.

Nikea has mandatory 1-year military service, and an (almost) 1.6 billion population, and has less than 1/3 the amount of troops you are proposing with your 15% plan, because there is no feasible way to support that high. Military numbers max at 2% during elevated threats (Nikea has never gone to war), and during peace time are more like 0.8%-1%. Unless you have a money making machine in your basement, 15% is far too high, even given the stipulations given above.

Give me a decent reason why. 45% of Roania's budget is spent on the military. There is so little money spent on welfare it's not funny. The Police are a wing of the military.

Roania is a fully militarised society. All of that 45% goes to paying soldiers, keeping things running, and so on. The government needs to spend no money on purchasing items, because the government makes the stuff, soldiers are kept in camp all the time (so no cost of living allowance), it all subtracts from your point.

Give me a decent reason why.

I'll invade you with my 400 million man army!!!11111oneoneoneplusoneistwo

15% is a ridiculously high amount, even for 2/3 of your personnel being on non-active duty. Equipment still has to be maintained, and there are dozens of costs just to maintain a 10% reserve that would put a strain on national coffers. Add that to a 5% active military roster (which is again far too high), and you'll be lucky if you have enough money to by your country a Happy Meal by the time the fiscal year ends.

Nikea has mandatory 1-year military service, and an (almost) 1.6 billion population, and has less than 1/3 the amount of troops you are proposing with your 15% plan, because there is no feasible way to support that high. Military numbers max at 2% during elevated threats (Nikea has never gone to war), and during peace time are more like 0.8%-1%. Unless you have a money making machine in your basement, 15% is far too high, even given the stipulations given above.

Give me a decent reason why. 45% of Roania's budget is spent on the military. There is so little money spent on welfare it's not funny. The Police are a wing of the military.

Roania is a fully militarised society. All of that 45% goes to paying soldiers, keeping things running, and so on. The government needs to spend no money on purchasing items, because the government makes the stuff, soldiers are kept in camp all the time (so no cost of living allowance), it all subtracts from your point.


Ok well then you are like North Korea and your economy is in the dumps and your people are starving.

15% is a ridiculously high amount, even for 2/3 of your personnel being on non-active duty. Equipment still has to be maintained, and there are dozens of costs just to maintain a 10% reserve that would put a strain on national coffers. Add that to a 5% active military roster (which is again far too high), and you'll be lucky if you have enough money to by your country a Happy Meal by the time the fiscal year ends.

Nikea has mandatory 1-year military service, and an (almost) 1.6 billion population, and has less than 1/3 the amount of troops you are proposing with your 15% plan, because there is no feasible way to support that high. Military numbers max at 2% during elevated threats (Nikea has never gone to war), and during peace time are more like 0.8%-1%. Unless you have a money making machine in your basement, 15% is far too high, even given the stipulations given above.

Give me a decent reason why. 45% of Roania's budget is spent on the military. There is so little money spent on welfare it's not funny. The Police are a wing of the military.

Roania is a fully militarised society. All of that 45% goes to paying soldiers, keeping things running, and so on. The government needs to spend no money on purchasing items, because the government makes the stuff, soldiers are kept in camp all the time (so no cost of living allowance), it all subtracts from your point.


Ok well then you are like North Korea and your economy is in the dumps and your people are starving.

Um, no. Roania's never been forced to undergo collectivised agriculture. My economy is Frightening, and the remaining 55% is spent on health and religion, etc.

I've grown tired of dealing with people who are so brainwashed into democracy they can't understand that another system might, just work.

Ok the problem with NS is that its not realistic.If u say that you spend 55% on your military that doesnt affect your economy.In real life it does.Your people are starving and your economy in real life would be imploded.Im sick of these fucktards who dont know what there doing.

I like your system, Roania. But why is everyone so stupid?

Ok the problem with NS is that its not realistic.If u say that you spend 55% on your military that doesnt affect your economy.In real life it does.Your people are starving and your economy in real life would be imploded.Im sick of these f--- who dont know what there doing.

I said 45%. Did I say 55%?

Dont make me slap you across the face with a saughtering iron!

Ok the problem with NS is that its not realistic.If u say that you spend 45% on your military that doesnt affect your economy.In real life it does.Your people are starving and your economy in real life would be imploded.Im sick of these f--- who dont know what there doing.

I said 45%. Did I say 55%?

(Your economy is frightening because the infelxible structure of the 'game' doesn't realise that you're slaughtering said economy in your RP)

Dont make me slap you across the face with a saughtering iron!

"saughtering"?

Dont make me slap you across the face with a saughtering iron!

"saughtering"?


Im joking lol.Did I spell it wrong?

Dont make me slap you across the face with a saughtering iron!

Do you mean soldering?

And Bobaria, it's because they are Americans, brainwashed into believing that the ideals of capitalism and democracy(Spits as bile starts to enter throat) are the only ways of doing things.

Soldering?

Dont make me slap you across the face with a saughtering iron!

Do you mean soldering?

And Bobaria, it's because they are Americans, brainwashed into believing that the ideals of capitalism and democracy(Spits as bile starts to enter throat) are the only ways of doing things.


Yes I am American and Im proud of it!Noone in the US is brainwashed we are free to believe what we want.Oh and Capitalism and Democracy work and they are the best forms of government.Im sick of these stupid fuck tards who hate America just because it is the best nation on earth.

I just have a small bit of fact to insert here, and yes I am well aware that this is just a game. I offer this as a point of referance.

The USA spends about 3% of its GDP on defense. Which is more than any other NATO nation and one of the largest amounts spent in the entire world. It comes to about 400 billion dollars per year.

Just a little food for thought.

Yes that is true too.the US spends 3% on defense a year which is about 400 billion and almost more than the whole world combined.So you cannot spend 45% on Defense that is a major godmode.

Dont make me slap you across the face with a saughtering iron!

Do you mean soldering?

And Bobaria, it's because they are Americans, brainwashed into believing that the ideals of capitalism and democracy(Spits as bile starts to enter throat) are the only ways of doing things.


Yes I am American and Im proud of it!Noone in the US is brainwashed we are free to believe what we want.Oh and Capitalism and Democracy work and they are the best forms of government.Im sick of these stupid f--- tards who hate America just because it is the best nation on earth.

They are not the best forms of government. And you just lowered my regard for your intelligence 3-fold by saying they are. I can think of several forms of government which work better off the top of my head right now.

Singapore, for instance, has very little democracy, yet it works. Ditto for Saudi Arabia.

They are only the best forms of government if you care so much about your common people. Well, guess what. I don't. The group's needs outweigh those of the individual.

Celeborne, as I said in an earlier thread, Roania could eat the US, and still have room for the EU.

Yes that is true too.the US spends 3% on defense a year which is about 400 billion and almost more than the whole world combined.So you cannot spend 45% on Defense that is a major godmode.


How is that a godmod? Your arguement is becoming less coherent by the minute.

Yes that is true too.the US spends 3% on defense a year which is about 400 billion and almost more than the whole world combined.So you cannot spend 45% on Defense that is a major godmode.


How is that a godmod? Your arguement is becoming less coherent by the minute.


Because if the US spends almost more than the whole world combined on defense and only spends 3% how can you spend 45%????That is why it is a godmode!

Where do you make your money from? If you spend 45% of your money on the military, then that's 55% left over for, you say, health and religion. Education doesn't appear on that list. Even Hitler and Stalin used education, it was actually a vital component of how they stayed in power for so long.

If you have stupid people, they aren't going to be able to do the tasks that are required to properly train a military. Your economy will be horrific (the game's economic ratings aren't a great indication). You will not be able to keep up that military for so long when the inevitable decline of income eats away at your defence budget. People with menial jobs have little money to pay taxes with.

I'm trying to think of this in a facist type setting, but even then I can't think of any way a 15% military could work, unless possibly you were constantly at war, and even then your economy would drain faster than a faulty bathtub.

15% military, and 45% economy, are completely unreasonable.

And I'm not an American, so sod off.

Yes that is true too.the US spends 3% on defense a year which is about 400 billion and almost more than the whole world combined.So you cannot spend 45% on Defense that is a major godmode.


How is that a godmod? Your arguement is becoming less coherent by the minute.


Because if the US spends almost more than the whole world combined on defense and only spends 3% how can you spend 45%????That is why it is a godmode!

It's becoming even less coherent. Read the part about social welfare up there. The US chooses to spend that much. I choose to spend more. If I ran the US, I would spend more than that too.

Please, take a deep breath and then realise how much money certain other nations spend on their military in NS. Then come back.

And Nikea, I think my exact words were health, religion, etc.

(I would like to take a moment to note that despite initial concurrence of condemnation, Matich's raving loony american views are not coincidental with my own (contrary) views)

(I would like to take a moment to note that despite initial concurrence of condemnation, Matich's raving loony american views are not coincidental with my own (contrary) views)


You dont like saughtering irons???lol

(I would like to take a moment to note that despite initial concurrence of condemnation, Matich's raving loony american views are not coincidental with my own (contrary) views)

I didn't call him a raving loony. Understood.

Can you take his place? I want a reasoned argument, please.

And Nikea, I think my exact words were health, religion, etc.

Fine. Those things will still be disgraceful compared to the other nations of the world with only 55% of your budget going that way.

(I would like to take a moment to note that despite initial concurrence of condemnation, Matich's raving loony american views are not coincidental with my own (contrary) views)

I didn't call him a raving loony. Understood.

Can you take his place? I want a reasoned argument, please.




Your just mad because you cant respond to my argument about how you can spend 45% on military when in real life the highest military spender only spends 3%.

It's simple, really, he adds 42%.

I'm trying to figure out in my head how your economy would operate. I am not exactly an economics expert. The subject gives me cranial pain. You have a powerhouse private sector.. but a 100% income tax rate.. so there are presumably a wealth of consumer goods and services.. but the people have no individual/private wealth to spend on them..now if the government-run military industrial complex supports those involved in it.. paying for their every need.. with the money it gets from.. from what?

Ungh, my head. I knew I shouldn't have got out of bed.

It's simple, really, he adds 42%.


lol which is a godmode.

And Nikea, I think my exact words were health, religion, etc.

Fine. Those things will still be disgraceful compared to the other nations of the world with only 55% of your budget going that way.

Again, in a democratic nation that would matter. However, please realise that 55% of my economy is a lot.

Also, and you haven't rped with me before so you wouldn't know, the Roman Catholic Church provides many, many services to my nation.

Finally, a great deal of my nation's people have private education and so on, and hospitals are free (I might go into that later, if I have time)

Matich, it's not an argument. It's an irrational statement of irrelevant facts, and when I get a chance me and Celeborne will have words...

I'm trying to figure out in my head how your economy would operate. I am not exactly an economics expert. The subject gives me cranial pain. You have a powerhouse private sector.. but a 100% income tax rate.. so there are presumably a wealth of consumer goods and services.. but the people have no individual/private wealth to spend on them..now if the government-run military industrial complex supports those involved in it.. paying for their every need.. with the money it gets from.. from what?

Ungh, my head. I knew I shouldn't have got out of bed.

I don't know how the 100% income occured. I have actually been cutting government spending, but it seems to be frozen at that. I'm giving it a few more days than contacting SalusaSecondus.

Your just mad because you cant respond to my argument about how you can spend 45% on military when in real life the highest military spender only spends 3%.

Actually, North Korea spends perhaps a third or more, and even Israel spends I think at least eight or nine percent. Of course they get a significant subsidy, and I'm not sure quite how that influences spending and percentages. I doubt Roania has many selfless (cough) benefactors.

A few African states spend more than 10%.. erm.. but that's hardly encouraging, eh?

If you ever rp with me and you have your military like this you will be IGNORED by myself and probably most if not all of the other nations involved.

Which words would you like, kind sir ?

Ah. Yeah, attempts elsewhere to kill off 100% tax rates for RP development failed horribly. I think probably you need to have a sub 100% rate in order to have things like private education, or else people have nothing with which to pay.

Doesn't bother us, we're commies ;)

Your just mad because you cant respond to my argument about how you can spend 45% on military when in real life the highest military spender only spends 3%.

Actually, North Korea spends perhaps a third or more, and even Israel spends I think at least eight or nine percent. Of course they get a significant subsidy, and I'm not sure quite how that influences spending and percentages. I doubt Roania has many selfless (cough) benefactors.

A few African states spend more than 10%.. erm.. but that's hardly encouraging, eh?


Yes that is true but the US spends nearly 400 billion which is almost as much as the world combined.

If you ever rp with me and you have your military like this you will be IGNORED by myself and probably most if not all of the other nations involved.

Does that mean you're going away? Thank you. I was about to m odal ert you for flaming.

I made a response several times to your arguement, you ignored it and kept gibbering on. Now go, and never darken my thread again.

Your just mad because you cant respond to my argument about how you can spend 45% on military when in real life the highest military spender only spends 3%.

Actually, North Korea spends perhaps a third or more, and even Israel spends I think at least eight or nine percent. Of course they get a significant subsidy, and I'm not sure quite how that influences spending and percentages. I doubt Roania has many selfless (cough) benefactors.

A few African states spend more than 10%.. erm.. but that's hardly encouraging, eh?


Yes that is true but the US spends nearly 400 billion which is almost as much as the world combined.

And again, the US chooses to do so. If I was president, I would increase that. It's nothing, that's what the US chooses to do.

Now please, just go away.

Roania: You wanted a word with me ?

Yes I will leave but let me give you some advice 15% is not realistic so if you want to rp realistically change it.You need to take a joke I was just kidding.

Which words would you like, kind sir ?

What the fuck does what the US spend on military have to do with this? It's meaningless.

A) Roania is not a weak-ass western democracy.

B) That is, as I just spent 20 minutes telling Matich, not a set number.

C) I hate you for enabling him to spend 20 minutes to irritate me with irrelevancies.

D)... when I think of something else I'll tell you.

Yes I will leave but let me give you some advice 15% is not realistic so if you want to rp realistically change it.You need to take a joke I was just kidding.

And I was explaining how it was. Now where did Nikea go?

What the f--- does what the US spend on military have to do with this? It's meaningless.

Hey now, come down. I was just giving that out as a point of referance. No where in my post did I suggest that you were doing anything wrong.


A) Roania is not a weak-ass western democracy.

Of course not. I do not think that I ever suggested that.


B) That is, as I just spent 20 minutes telling Matich, not a set number.

Of course not. I do not think that I ever suggested that.


C) I hate you for enabling him to spend 20 minutes to irritate me with irrelevancies.

LOL.... If only I could control the posts of other players. I am sorry about that .


D)... when I think of something else I'll tell you.

I'll be here

Ah. Yeah, attempts elsewhere to kill off 100% tax rates for RP development failed horribly. I think probably you need to have a sub 100% rate in order to have things like private education, or else people have nothing with which to pay.

Doesn't bother us, we're commies ;)

Is there any way to fix that? Anyway at all? Slag? MGH?

No. + Military spend = + taxes, arbitary reductions are not allowed.

Ah. Yeah, attempts elsewhere to kill off 100% tax rates for RP development failed horribly. I think probably you need to have a sub 100% rate in order to have things like private education, or else people have nothing with which to pay.

Doesn't bother us, we're commies ;)

Is there any way to fix that? Anyway at all? Slag? MGH?

Heck I just want to get rid of the private business is outlawed line in my nations description.

No. + Military spend = + taxes, arbitary reductions are not allowed.

Just checking, thanks.

No. + Military spend = + taxes, arbitary reductions are not allowed.

Just checking, thanks.

No. + Military spend = + taxes, arbitary reductions are not allowed.

Just checking, thanks.

To start, I went to bed, as it was 2:30 in the morning and I had to be up at 9:30.


Again, in a democratic nation that would matter. However, please realise that 55% of my economy is a lot.

Also, and you haven't rped with me before so you wouldn't know, the Roman Catholic Church provides many, many services to my nation.

Finally, a great deal of my nation's people have private education and so on, and hospitals are free (I might go into that later, if I have time)



I've only grown up in a democratic society, so that's all I know, although I have studied other democratic forms.

55% of your economy may be a lot, but still, it's proportion. You have ~870 million people, so that's a lot of people to have to use that 55% on. Again, using myself as an example, I'm not exactly the most democratic nation around, but 45% of my economy on the military would be ridiculously high, and my economy is much stronger than yours.

Where does the Church get its money from to provide these services?

Again, simply going beyond the economics of it, 5% is an awful lot of your work force. Not all of that 870 million can work. Take into account elderly, children, disabled, etc., and you take a significant chunk of that away. Factor in the 5% in the military and your industry will be hurting for labour (which again leads to a weaker economy).

Again, I would find a 5% military (plus reservists, but not 10% for reserves) reasonable in war-time, as you will obviously draft and force people into the military. The 10% reserve is too high still, since you need people to keep the money going.

As for the hospitals idea, if you are talking about care in hospitals being free, that will take even more money out of your budget than privatized care, which would be more realistic for an economic model you're proposing.

Okay. I'll listen. Bearing in mind everything I've mentioned so far, and the fact that as far as the elite are concerned the common folk exist for no more reason than to serve the state, (When I say 'no' social welfare, I mean 'no' social welfare. None. Nada. If you are so down on your luck that you can't even be trained as a military grunt, then the Polizei shoot you) what is a reasonable military size? I don't think that 15% of my country is very much, but I'll listen. 5% is to small for the type of nation I'm running, so...

Why would you need 15% in the first place, can't you run a little war with only 5%, are you that bad at getting allies you need a 15% military, 5% is more then adequate, far more

Why would you need 15% in the first place, can't you run a little war with only 5%, are you that bad at getting allies you need a 15% military, 5% is more then adequate, far more

I thought that when Matich left I wouldn't have to deal with you people any more.

15% is impossible. Bear in mind, your army can't recruit from everyone in your country anyway; the elderly, disabled, children and pregnant women make up a fair percentage of your population at any given time, so what you'd actually be doing is drafting some unholy percentage of your workforce. Now, the more of your workforce you draft, the more of the remainder of that workforce has to work on churning out guns, tanks, aircraft and whatever else you want to arm your military with. As a result, that part of your workforce isn't making anything that can be sold or exported, so basically they're just dead weight other than ther taxes they pay.

Going down the chain, a further percentage would be involved in extracting and processing raw materials for the military-industrial complex, which brings another section of your population out of useful labour; either that or they'd be busy mining precious materials to pay for importing it [in prodigious quantities]. So basically you wind up with virtually your entire country on constant war production, which is a very, very bad situation to be in.

Okay. So the challenge is to find some way to make a realistic percentage that wouldn't ruin my nation's style.