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We are the Separatist Confederacy.
An alliance of nations dedicated to providing a third option, an escape from the traditional conflicts between the Communists and the Capitalists.
We are small at the moment but we hope to grow and live in peace and prosperity.
Are not you tired of the endless arguments?

Take a look at the separatist pamphlet for greater details on our movement.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96266

The alliance will be based at the region; "The Separatist Confederacy".

1. Membership requires members to defend each other in times of need.
2. Membership requires members to trade with each other in order to create an atmosphere of prosperity.
3. Membership requires that members do not interfere with the internal affairs of other nations.
4. Membership does not require moving to the region.
5. Decisions will be based on simple voting and majority rule.
6. Membership requires that you be active in communication, we do not want idleness in the Confederacy. Inactive members will be kicked after 20 days. We want contribution in Confederacy affairs.

More to be added.

Members

The New Separatism
Milesia
Traileric Separatists

Allies (regional or national)

Knootoss
Tanah Burung

We have looked over your pamphlet and are interested in joining up but have a few questions.

Are there any specific things we must do to be allowed to join?
Are there any military commitments other than coming to an ally's defence?
Is there a forum for members to discuss issues?

A swift responce would be appreciated.

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Michael Ó Ichide,
3rd Tigern,
UMP Business Office.

"Your thoughts are too long so we can't join. Sorry."

OOC: you can put me on the list of 'allies'. Don't expect firm military commitments though. We are a reasonably pacifist nation and can't run off to defend half the world. Trade and interaction is welcomed though.

We have looked over your pamphlet and are interested in joining up but have a few questions.

Are there any specific things we must do to be allowed to join?
Are there any military commitments other than coming to an ally's defence?
Is there a forum for members to discuss issues?

A swift responce would be appreciated.

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Michael Ó Ichide,
3rd Tigern,
UMP Business Office.

Just follow those rules I set out.
No.
Not yet.

Then we wish to formally make a request to join your organisation. As we are pretty much an anarchy, there is no one specific economic system, we just use whatever works or what people want, ergo we have quite a mixed economy in that respect. We may wish to move to the region, though not yet.

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Michael Ó Ichide,
3rd Tigern,
UMP Business Office.

Then we wish to formally make a request to join your organisation. As we are pretty much an anarchy, there is no one specific economic system, we just use whatever works or what people want, ergo we have quite a mixed economy in that respect. We may wish to move to the region, though not yet.

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Michael Ó Ichide,
3rd Tigern,
UMP Business Office.

Consider yourself a member.
If you want the password to the region, just ask.

We are a breakaway faction from The Armed Republic of Trailers,we have no allies to speak of,and have read your pamphlet.We would like to join this alliance.

Seperatist Leader:General Ampha

We are a breakaway faction from The Armed Republic of Trailers,we have no allies to speak of,and have read your pamphlet.We would like to join this alliance.

We will offer you membership, all that we ask is that you keep active.

Lord Zhovhan
Leader of the New Separatists

We are a breakaway faction from The Armed Republic of Trailers,we have no allies to speak of,and have read your pamphlet.We would like to join this alliance.

We will offer you membership, all that we ask is that you keep active.

Lord Zhovhan
Leader of the New Separatists

Gladly,would you kindly telegram us the password to your region?

Seperatist Leader:General Ampha

Ditto on that, as soon as you're ready we'll be leaving our old region.

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Michael Ó Ichide,
3rd Tigern,
UMP Business Office.

*Sniffle*Little Traileric is growing up. :cry:

There are two points that need addressing regarding this movement.

First, I notice that there is already an organization that exists to fulfill this need, that being the Developing Nations Conference/Third World Solidarity Conference, whatever they're calling themselves now. Rather than create a competing organization, why not attend one of the many conferences held by said organization?

Second, I can't help but notice that Milesia and Knootoss are helping you out. Milesia is a former member of the World Business Organization, the flagship of neo-liberal capitalism, and their interests remain distinctly allied; if you research their trade policies you will see the have no interest in a 'third way,' merely in creating a non-WBO trade bloc for them to exploit.

As for Knootoss, they are currently a member of the World Business Organization, the capital of neo-liberalism, and in no way are they interested in a third way. They delude themselves into thinking that their extremely exploitative capital policies are some how 'non-antagonistic' to the 'left,' largely because they play an effective game of sophistry to redefine all these terms until they support the desired conclusion.

So perhaps one might research those 'supporting' your alliance before accepting aid. For our part, SeOCC's policies are well documented in the recently created IFTA, a document signed my several members of the DNC/3WSC. You can draw your own conclusions, though we are avowedly anti-capitalist.

MoE Frontdesk

OOC: *cough* This leads me to conclude that either you do not ignore me (never announced so I'll go with that) or you just violated your own ignore. :?

IC:
SeOCC proclaimed itself an anticapitalist nation. I think we should interpred all their claims as such. We do not fit their radical sceme and we do not wish to go into yet more of the left-right discussions their leaders love so much. The Knootian poldermodel is the third way made flesh. They simply do not want to recognise systems that are different from theirs.

That said, the "Fair Trade" organisation, while looking appealing on a cursory investigation, is actually hosted by the coalition of anticapitalist economies. Hardly 'neutral' or 'third way'. Please understand that you are not wanted here.

~Random Knootian policymaker who took the time to reply.

There are two points that need addressing regarding this movement.

First, I notice that there is already an organization that exists to fulfill this need, that being the Developing Nations Conference/Third World Solidarity Conference, whatever they're calling themselves now. Rather than create a competing organization, why not attend one of the many conferences held by said organization?

Second, I can't help but notice that Milesia and Knootoss are helping you out. Milesia is a former member of the World Business Organization, the flagship of neo-liberal capitalism, and their interests remain distinctly allied; if you research their trade policies you will see the have no interest in a 'third way,' merely in creating a non-WBO trade bloc for them to exploit.

As for Knootoss, they are currently a member of the World Business Organization, the capital of neo-liberalism, and in no way are they interested in a third way. They delude themselves into thinking that their extremely exploitative capital policies are some how 'non-antagonistic' to the 'left,' largely because they play an effective game of sophistry to redefine all these terms until they support the desired conclusion.

So perhaps one might research those 'supporting' your alliance before accepting aid. For our part, SeOCC's policies are well documented in the recently created IFTA, a document signed my several members of the DNC/3WSC. You can draw your own conclusions, though we are avowedly anti-capitalist.

MoE Frontdesk

Do not think me ignorant of this fact, Seocc. They both have told me that they are members of the World Business Organisation.
You, a staunch anti-capitalist are biased to the fact that the WBO is a purely capitalist organisation.
I as a member of this third way believe that it is merely an alliance of traders, a purely economic concern rather than an ideological concern. You are blinded by your anti-capitalist ideology; ideology has no place in economics, only efficiency and a system that works. I do not say that the economic theories behind both Capitalism and Communism are totally flawed or not worth improving upon, I welcome both sytems into the alliance if they choose to join. I say that they are both systems doomed to failure if they keep at each others throats, stubborness has always been humanities greatest weakness.

Lord Zhovhan
Leader of the New Separatists

OOC: *cough* This leads me to conclude that either you do not ignore me (never announced so I'll go with that) or you just violated your own ignore. :?

IC:
SeOCC proclaimed itself an anticapitalist nation. I think we should interpred all their claims as such. We do not fit their radical sceme and we do not wish to go into yet more of the left-right discussions their leaders love so much. An entire nation that deludes itself - how far have they strayed from reality. The Knootian poldermodel is the third way made flesh. They simply do not want to recognise systems that are different from theirs.

That said, the "Fari Trade" organisation, while looking appealing on a cursory investigation, is actually hosted by the coalition of anticapitalist economies. Hardly 'neutral' or 'third way'. Please understand that you are not wanted here.

~Random Knootian policymaker who took the time to reply.

I noticed that as well. How corporate of him to advertise.

Lord Zhovhan
Leader of the New Separatists

OOC: hear hear to that rebuke. Actually they are a 'corporate anticapitalist post-ex planned economy' so I guess advertising your alliances in other peoples threads is normal then. :wink:

We would be pleased if others would make themselves known to us.

Lord Zhovhan
Leader of the New Separatists

Bump.

As a country that finds both capitalism and communism to be oppressive systems, Tanah Burung strongly supports all third-way efforts. We are committed to self-determination of nations and to reducing the ideological cold war. We wish this new organization well and wish to be considered as supporters of it.

Like our friends in Knootoss, we are not able to sign on as full members. However, we hope that there will be strong ties of friendship between this organization and the non-aligned organization of Third World states (ooc: the thread is "Third World Solidarity Conference" and a final declaration is being written right now).

La'o hamutuk, mau bere!
Walk together, sisters and brothers!

Violeta Bi Bere
People's representative for foreign affairs & human rights

We are always willing to accept nations as friends and allies.
Peace and prosperity to you.

Lord Zhovhan
Leader of the New Separatists

Would anyone else be interested in our ideals?

Lord Zhovhan
Leader of the New Separatist Movement