NationStates Jolt Archive


NSFA: All Fascists Welcome

Setian-Sebeceans
22-11-2003, 18:47
NationStates Fascist Alliance-

This is a pro-military, pro-conservative, and pro-capitalist allaince of fasiscts.

Join here- no pacifists NO GDODAD members

our button will be here soon!

Current Members-
Setian-Sebeceans
Free Worlds League
Crownguard
American Miltarists
UnitedNationsSpaceComm
Lotus7
Diminix
United - Germany
Freeshire
Setian-Sebeceans
22-11-2003, 18:53
BUMP
Galdania
22-11-2003, 18:55
Technically, if you're fascist, then you wouldn't be capitalist. :?
Setian-Sebeceans
22-11-2003, 18:57
Technically, if you're fascist, then you wouldn't be capitalist. :?

no, fascism is mainly pro-military and is likes money-capitalism. Hitler wasn't fascist, but was a National Military Socialist, but the basis of a fascist socity in peace time is compitition in small business
Galdania
22-11-2003, 19:12
Galdania fails to understand how this 'competition' can work...
Our Economic motto is 'You can't lose the race when you're the only one running.'
Setian-Sebeceans
22-11-2003, 19:18
Galdania fails to understand how this 'competition' can work...
Our Economic motto is 'You can't lose the race when you're the only one running.'

In peacetime your citizens open small business some selling the same things, but compition comes when its eather one store or the other, so they'll compete untill one goes under, then you have money, then the government takes a little in taxes. Its called survival of the fittest.
22-11-2003, 19:23
The Gorka League may consider joining you...If we are given a small gift of, oh, say, a hundred or so rifles...
Setian-Sebeceans
22-11-2003, 19:26
The Gorka League may consider joining you...If we are given a small gift of, oh, say, a hundred or so rifles...

Sure check out or storefront (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=92908&highlight=) any rifles there you can have, in any number.
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 03:07
bump
Lietuveska
23-11-2003, 03:19
The USSL condemns this facist movement to oppress those who love peace and freedom. We are chilled to think of the results of such an alliance, and we sincerely hope that it will fail.

The USSL is generally as a rule not anti-capitalist, but in your case, your facist ideas and views are threatening to the world and our nation. However, as we are pacifistic tree-hugging socialists (not Commies), we assume that you will promptly attack us orally for making such a bold statement.

.::Minister of Foreign Affairs::.
http://www.pearlevision.com/images/ew_frames_ti22_male.jpg
Joshua Thompson
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 03:30
The USSL condemns this facist movement to oppress those who love peace and freedom. We are chilled to think of the results of such an alliance, and we sincerely hope that it will fail.

The USSL is generally as a rule not anti-capitalist, but in your case, your facist ideas and views are threatening to the world and our nation. However, as we are pacifistic tree-hugging socialists (not Commies), we assume that you will promptly attack us orally for making such a bold statement.

.::Minister of Foreign Affairs::.
http://www.pearlevision.com/images/ew_frames_ti22_male.jpg
Joshua Thompson

Our response-

http://www.freewebs.com/equilibrium-movie/0719-betweenguardsb.JPG
Lietuveska
23-11-2003, 03:41
We are not intimated in the least bit by your response to our statement. It only defends what we say.

.::Ministry of Foreign Affairs::.
Kaukolastan
23-11-2003, 03:42
OOC: Hey, what movie is that pic from?
Roania
23-11-2003, 03:43
NationStates Fascist Alliance-

This is a pro-military, pro-conservative, and pro-capitalist allaince of fasiscts.

Join here- No communists, No tree-huggers, no pacifists

our button will be here soon!

Current Members-
Setian-Sebeceans


You irk us. Let us return to running our police state, please.
Crownguard
23-11-2003, 03:50
*Official Response from Crownguard*


We would be interested in joining, since we are of course a highly industrialized and enlightened fascist state, except that frankly, we cant trust any of you as allies. Give us proof of safeguards as a member of your allaince, or we will remain on the Corporate Islands, inviolate.
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 04:22
OOC: Hey, what movie is that pic from?

Equilibrium (http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/equilibrium.html)- Best movie ever.
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 04:24
*Official Response from Crownguard*


We would be interested in joining, since we are of course a highly industrialized and enlightened fascist state, except that frankly, we cant trust any of you as allies. Give us proof of safeguards as a member of your allaince, or we will remain on the Corporate Islands, inviolate.

Well you get the back up of our storefront and its productions FREE and the only rule are no attacking other members, and preserving true fascism.
Crownguard
23-11-2003, 04:38
Actually..I have no interest in your store weaponry..seeing as how my entire industry is perpetuated by corporate largesse and war preparations, I think its safe to say my R&D dept gets a little bit mroe funding and talent...when all the smart people are abosrbed to become leaders, officers, and researchers.
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 04:40
this is our button for the mean time, until I come up with somthing better

http://sebeceans.50megs.com/images/online2.jpg

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NationStates Fascist Alliance
http://sebeceans.50megs.com/images/online2.jpg
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 04:40
Actually..I have no interest in your store weaponry..seeing as how my entire industry is perpetuated by corporate largesse and war preparations, I think its safe to say my R&D dept gets a little bit mroe funding and talent...when all the smart people are abosrbed to become leaders, officers, and researchers.

Thats the way to go, are you in?
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 04:42
One of the stated reasons of this alliance is, that their are no true alliances for fascists and our veiws, we are outcast, now that is no more.
Crownguard
23-11-2003, 04:44
Possibly..but the benefits are less than the discounts and defense pact of the Corporate Islands.....
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 04:47
Possibly..but the benefits are less than the discounts and defense pact of the Corporate Islands.....

Did i also meantion that if your in economic trroble, the alliance members will help you out.
Crownguard
23-11-2003, 04:51
Possibly..but the benefits are less than the discounts and defense pact of the Corporate Islands.....

Did i also meantion that if your in economic trroble, the alliance members will help you out.

Ill consider it..best I can do. Then again, my economy is "All-Consuming"....
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 05:54
BUMP
Setian-Sebeceans
23-11-2003, 19:11
BUMP, any more
CharlotteMaria
23-11-2003, 20:47
What are the requirements for joining the NSFA?
CharlotteMaria
23-11-2003, 20:53
As a topic of conversation, what are all your view on.

1) Abortion

2) Education

3) Healthcare

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service

5) Welfare



These are 5 difficult questions which even fascists do not have an exact position on.
CharlotteMaria
23-11-2003, 20:57
1) Abortion

I think that this should be legal not because I am a liberal, but because I think that people who have abortions don't want thier children. If they had the child then they would bring up so badly that it would be a criminal when it got older.
CharlotteMaria
23-11-2003, 21:07
Will somebody please reply to this!
CharlotteMaria
23-11-2003, 21:16
BUMP

I can understand your frustration.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 03:52
As a topic of conversation, what are all your view on.

1) Abortion

2) Education

3) Healthcare

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service

5) Welfare



These are 5 difficult questions which even fascists do not have an exact position on.

Abortion: Allowed no stigma, however, incentives are given for raising a child. We want to keep the population booming.

Education: State sponsored, mandatory till age 18. Colleges offered by select elite institutions, all State-run. (Control the minds, control the people) However..each one is HIGHLY funded, the teachers an elite sub-group of administrator, making it the best education available by far.

A test is administered at age 18 for classification of Job status. All failures are assigned to Labor Corps for construction and blue collar jobs, or else drafted (if needed). Corporations are allowed to hire who they wish of the Non-Tagged people, (aka people who score less than the 60th percentile), though much of the factories are being automated, human beings needed more for delicate tasks.

Healthcare: State sponsored, incentives given to people who help with the military or research positions. No person is without decent medical care, genetics and bioresearch HIGHLY lucrative and prestigious.

Military Service: Required for all citizens at age 18, serve one year boot camp, waived if the person is needed for a highly sensitive or red-area position in the government. After boot camp, citizen is discharged with full honors, those who wish to continue recieve 2-3 more years of training and real world exercisses as soldier "cadets".

Welfare: State-run, though people are required to work for it. If you recieve a welfare check, you are required to help with whatever project or assignment you are given by the State. There are no free handouts, and the State happily provides job training to those who require it.

Equality: Full equality..all people are fully indoctrinated with Crownguardian beliefs in honor, loyalty, and excellence. Equality to the point where both sexes can even shower together, no segregation of military or civilian units.Sex offenders are punished harshly with punitive measures.

All minorities are allowed, however, they are required to take State-run courses in indoctrination in addition to pracitices of whatever theys ee fit. We keep a standard of conformity.


Crime: Almost non-existant,w e have a highly efficient system of weeding out offenders. Those who commit a crime are drafted as labor units for their sentence. All citizens are barcoded and given a SIN (System Identity Number) at birth or citizenship status. SIN-less people are granted civilian rights, but arent given access to state facilities unless pursuing SIN status. Criminals automatically given a SIN. (Yes, I nicked from Shadowrun there)

Religion: Government is affirmed atheist. Religions are allowed but monitored for subversive content determinetal to the State. All religious leaders are required to mantain files in our directory.



Now..that is your "enlightened fascism". Everyone is equal, everyone works...everyone is loyal. Each is provided with what they need, and the intelligent and ambitious rise to fill government positions. Happiness is almost guaranteed if your willing to sweat a little for it.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 03:52
As a topic of conversation, what are all your view on.

1) Abortion

2) Education

3) Healthcare

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service

5) Welfare



These are 5 difficult questions which even fascists do not have an exact position on.

Abortion: Allowed no stigma, however, incentives are given for raising a child. We want to keep the population booming.

Education: State sponsored, mandatory till age 18. Colleges offered by select elite institutions, all State-run. (Control the minds, control the people) However..each one is HIGHLY funded, the teachers an elite sub-group of administrator, making it the best education available by far.

A test is administered at age 18 for classification of Job status. All failures are assigned to Labor Corps for construction and blue collar jobs, or else drafted (if needed). Corporations are allowed to hire who they wish of the Non-Tagged people, (aka people who score less than the 60th percentile), though much of the factories are being automated, human beings needed more for delicate tasks.

Healthcare: State sponsored, incentives given to people who help with the military or research positions. No person is without decent medical care, genetics and bioresearch HIGHLY lucrative and prestigious.

Military Service: Required for all citizens at age 18, serve one year boot camp, waived if the person is needed for a highly sensitive or red-area position in the government. After boot camp, citizen is discharged with full honors, those who wish to continue recieve 2-3 more years of training and real world exercisses as soldier "cadets".

Welfare: State-run, though people are required to work for it. If you recieve a welfare check, you are required to help with whatever project or assignment you are given by the State. There are no free handouts, and the State happily provides job training to those who require it.

Equality: Full equality..all people are fully indoctrinated with Crownguardian beliefs in honor, loyalty, and excellence. Equality to the point where both sexes can even shower together, no segregation of military or civilian units.Sex offenders are punished harshly with punitive measures.

All minorities are allowed, however, they are required to take State-run courses in indoctrination in addition to pracitices of whatever theys ee fit. We keep a standard of conformity.


Crime: Almost non-existant,w e have a highly efficient system of weeding out offenders. Those who commit a crime are drafted as labor units for their sentence. All citizens are barcoded and given a SIN (System Identity Number) at birth or citizenship status. SIN-less people are granted civilian rights, but arent given access to state facilities unless pursuing SIN status. Criminals automatically given a SIN. (Yes, I nicked from Shadowrun there)

Religion: Government is affirmed atheist. Religions are allowed but monitored for subversive content determinetal to the State. All religious leaders are required to mantain files in our directory.



Now..that is your "enlightened fascism". Everyone is equal, everyone works...everyone is loyal. Each is provided with what they need, and the intelligent and ambitious rise to fill government positions. Happiness is almost guaranteed if your willing to sweat a little for it.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 03:53
As a topic of conversation, what are all your view on.

1) Abortion

2) Education

3) Healthcare

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service

5) Welfare



These are 5 difficult questions which even fascists do not have an exact position on.

Abortion: Allowed no stigma, however, incentives are given for raising a child. We want to keep the population booming.

Education: State sponsored, mandatory till age 18. Colleges offered by select elite institutions, all State-run. (Control the minds, control the people) However..each one is HIGHLY funded, the teachers an elite sub-group of administrator, making it the best education available by far.

A test is administered at age 18 for classification of Job status. All failures are assigned to Labor Corps for construction and blue collar jobs, or else drafted (if needed). Corporations are allowed to hire who they wish of the Non-Tagged people, (aka people who score less than the 60th percentile), though much of the factories are being automated, human beings needed more for delicate tasks.

Healthcare: State sponsored, incentives given to people who help with the military or research positions. No person is without decent medical care, genetics and bioresearch HIGHLY lucrative and prestigious.

Military Service: Required for all citizens at age 18, serve one year boot camp, waived if the person is needed for a highly sensitive or red-area position in the government. After boot camp, citizen is discharged with full honors, those who wish to continue recieve 2-3 more years of training and real world exercisses as soldier "cadets".

Welfare: State-run, though people are required to work for it. If you recieve a welfare check, you are required to help with whatever project or assignment you are given by the State. There are no free handouts, and the State happily provides job training to those who require it.

Equality: Full equality..all people are fully indoctrinated with Crownguardian beliefs in honor, loyalty, and excellence. Equality to the point where both sexes can even shower together, no segregation of military or civilian units.Sex offenders are punished harshly with punitive measures.

All minorities are allowed, however, they are required to take State-run courses in indoctrination in addition to pracitices of whatever theys ee fit. We keep a standard of conformity.


Crime: Almost non-existant,w e have a highly efficient system of weeding out offenders. Those who commit a crime are drafted as labor units for their sentence. All citizens are barcoded and given a SIN (System Identity Number) at birth or citizenship status. SIN-less people are granted civilian rights, but arent given access to state facilities unless pursuing SIN status. Criminals automatically given a SIN. (Yes, I nicked from Shadowrun there)

Religion: Government is affirmed atheist. Religions are allowed but monitored for subversive content determinetal to the State. All religious leaders are required to mantain files in our directory.



Now..that is your "enlightened fascism". Everyone is equal, everyone works...everyone is loyal. Each is provided with what they need, and the intelligent and ambitious rise to fill government positions. Happiness is almost guaranteed if your willing to sweat a little for it.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 03:53
As a topic of conversation, what are all your view on.

1) Abortion

2) Education

3) Healthcare

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service

5) Welfare



These are 5 difficult questions which even fascists do not have an exact position on.

Abortion: Allowed no stigma, however, incentives are given for raising a child. We want to keep the population booming.

Education: State sponsored, mandatory till age 18. Colleges offered by select elite institutions, all State-run. (Control the minds, control the people) However..each one is HIGHLY funded, the teachers an elite sub-group of administrator, making it the best education available by far.

A test is administered at age 18 for classification of Job status. All failures are assigned to Labor Corps for construction and blue collar jobs, or else drafted (if needed). Corporations are allowed to hire who they wish of the Non-Tagged people, (aka people who score less than the 60th percentile), though much of the factories are being automated, human beings needed more for delicate tasks.

Healthcare: State sponsored, incentives given to people who help with the military or research positions. No person is without decent medical care, genetics and bioresearch HIGHLY lucrative and prestigious.

Military Service: Required for all citizens at age 18, serve one year boot camp, waived if the person is needed for a highly sensitive or red-area position in the government. After boot camp, citizen is discharged with full honors, those who wish to continue recieve 2-3 more years of training and real world exercisses as soldier "cadets".

Welfare: State-run, though people are required to work for it. If you recieve a welfare check, you are required to help with whatever project or assignment you are given by the State. There are no free handouts, and the State happily provides job training to those who require it.

Equality: Full equality..all people are fully indoctrinated with Crownguardian beliefs in honor, loyalty, and excellence. Equality to the point where both sexes can even shower together, no segregation of military or civilian units.Sex offenders are punished harshly with punitive measures.

All minorities are allowed, however, they are required to take State-run courses in indoctrination in addition to pracitices of whatever theys ee fit. We keep a standard of conformity.


Crime: Almost non-existant,w e have a highly efficient system of weeding out offenders. Those who commit a crime are drafted as labor units for their sentence. All citizens are barcoded and given a SIN (System Identity Number) at birth or citizenship status. SIN-less people are granted civilian rights, but arent given access to state facilities unless pursuing SIN status. Criminals automatically given a SIN. (Yes, I nicked from Shadowrun there)

Religion: Government is affirmed atheist. Religions are allowed but monitored for subversive content determinetal to the State. All religious leaders are required to mantain files in our directory.



Now..that is your "enlightened fascism". Everyone is equal, everyone works...everyone is loyal. Each is provided with what they need, and the intelligent and ambitious rise to fill government positions. Happiness is almost guaranteed if your willing to sweat a little for it.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 03:55
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 03:58
As a topic of conversation, what are all your view on.

1) Abortion

2) Education

3) Healthcare

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service

5) Welfare



These are 5 difficult questions which even fascists do not have an exact position on.

Abortion- Bandden, does not help the human race

Education- maditory till 18, orphans are conscripted into the military.

Healthcare- charity run for non-coms, but governmnet funded for military

Military- both

Welfare- charity, taxpayers shouln't pay for some ones screw up in life.

This is Capitalistic Conservative Fascism, or Independat Military Republican
24-11-2003, 03:58
this is our button for the mean time, until I come up with somthing better

http://sebeceans.50megs.com/images/online2.jpg

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NationStates Fascist Alliance
http://sebeceans.50megs.com/images/online2.jpg

You've got to be kidding me. That guy has the face of a Levite.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:00
Sorry about the psots...wont let me delete them for some reason. Also..wy am I lsited as a memebr of the alliance?


I said "Maybe", I need to think about it. I respectfully request you remove my name for now.
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 04:01
this is our button for the mean time, until I come up with somthing better

http://sebeceans.50megs.com/images/online2.jpg

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NationStates Fascist Alliance
http://sebeceans.50megs.com/images/online2.jpg

You've got to be kidding me. That guy has the face of a Levite.

Got anything better
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 04:02
NationStates Fascist Alliance-

This is a pro-military, pro-conservative, and pro-capitalist allaince of fasiscts.

Join here- No communists, No tree-huggers, no pacifists

our button will be here soon!

Current Members-
Setian-Sebeceans
Crownguard


OOC: I find it offensive that a small group of people have an idea that fascism is pro-conservative and anti-environmentalist. What about the National Bolsheviks, the more left-leaning fascists in Italy or the Peronists? You're clearly ignoring other parts of the fascist movement.
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 04:02
Sorry about the psots...wont let me delete them for some reason. Also..wy am I lsited as a memebr of the alliance?


I said "Maybe", I need to think about it. I respectfully request you remove my name for now.

ok
Imperial Forces
24-11-2003, 04:02
The Sacred Empire will blacklist every nation that joins this NSFA.

-The Sacred Empire of Imperial Forces
http://www.ameritech.net/users/rwatson2002/jan18_plate1.gif
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:04
NationStates Fascist Alliance-

This is a pro-military, pro-conservative, and pro-capitalist allaince of fasiscts.

Join here- No communists, No tree-huggers, no pacifists

our button will be here soon!

Current Members-
Setian-Sebeceans
Crownguard



OOC: I find it offensive that a small group of people have an idea that fascism is pro-conservative and anti-environmentalist. What about the National Bolsheviks, the more left-leaning fascists in Italy or the Peronists? You're clearly ignoring other parts of the fascist movement.

I concur...I did not post this. As I said..look up my stances on "Equality" "Religion" and others. However..all eneds are subserviant to the State. BUT, all minorities and sexies are given equal opportunity for advancement, its a "meritocracy" with a bit of noble underlyings. As for environement...some State parks etc are protected but natural resources WILL be used.
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 04:04
NationStates Fascist Alliance-

This is a pro-military, pro-conservative, and pro-capitalist allaince of fasiscts.

Join here- No communists, No tree-huggers, no pacifists

our button will be here soon!

Current Members-
Setian-Sebeceans
Crownguard


Because this is more revised fascism, or enlighted fascism, new aged, that stuff is more like socialist fascism
OOC: I find it offensive that a small group of people have an idea that fascism is pro-conservative and anti-environmentalist. What about the National Bolsheviks, the more left-leaning fascists in Italy or the Peronists? You're clearly ignoring other parts of the fascist movement.
24-11-2003, 04:06
http://sebeceans.50megs.com/images/online2.jpg

http://www.churchofsatan.org/lavey.gif
http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Bilder/lavey-13.gif

Howard Stanton Levey/'Anton Szandor LaVey', founder of the Church of Satan; a Levite by birth.
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 04:06
NationStates Fascist Alliance-

This is a pro-military, pro-conservative, and pro-capitalist allaince of fasiscts.

Join here- No communists, No tree-huggers, no pacifists

our button will be here soon!

Current Members-
Setian-Sebeceans
Crownguard



OOC: I find it offensive that a small group of people have an idea that fascism is pro-conservative and anti-environmentalist. What about the National Bolsheviks, the more left-leaning fascists in Italy or the Peronists? You're clearly ignoring other parts of the fascist movement.

I concur...I did not post this. As I said..look up my stances on "Equality" "Religion" and others. However..all eneds are subserviant to the State. BUT, all minorities and sexies are given equal opportunity for advancement, its a "meritocracy" with a bit of noble underlyings. As for environement...some State parks etc are protected but natural resources WILL be used.

Yes but, you cant have the enviornment stop you from advancing
24-11-2003, 04:08
Got anything better

http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/bilder/third-logo-small.jpg
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:08
The Sacred Empire will blacklist every nation that joins this NSFA.

-The Sacred Empire of Imperial Forces
http://www.ameritech.net/users/rwatson2002/jan18_plate1.gif


And I care....why? As for joining, no Im not a memebr yet. However..I find it odd an Empire criticizes a fascist alliance. Though..my nation is fascist with monarchy underlyings. We are led by a Primus, and there are noble families..however, though are just titles of resepect mroe or less. Only the nobles can become a Primus, though nobility isnt as hard to attain as you might think (meritorious service, honor, bravery, etc).
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 04:09
Got anything better

http://www.skalman.nu/third-reich/bilder/third-logo-small.jpg

Thats too nazi like
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:13
Imperial Forces..your as fascist as I am by all means. Check your stats and my own, then read what I psoted of my nation, and tlel me it does nto at least bear a striking resemblance to your own.


Fascist does NOT mean Nazi....
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 04:15
Fascist does NOT mean Nazi....

I agree
Imperial Forces
24-11-2003, 04:32
Imperial Forces..your as fascist as I am by all means. Check your stats and my own, then read what I psoted of my nation, and tlel me it does nto at least bear a striking resemblance to your own.


Fascist does NOT mean Nazi....

My nation is moralistic, and have more freedoms than yours, and our polictical system is different from others.

People vote for the government, the government lected then votes for the leader.

We are not fascist.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:40
Imperial Forces..your as fascist as I am by all means. Check your stats and my own, then read what I psoted of my nation, and tlel me it does nto at least bear a striking resemblance to your own.


Fascist does NOT mean Nazi....

My nation is moralistic, and have more freedoms than yours, and our polictical system is different from others.

People vote for the government, the government lected then votes for the leader.

We are not fascist.


Actually..we are VERY moralistic. Honor, loyalty, courage, and intelligence are the highest ideals of the State. We refrain from dishonorable methods of war, as well as oppressing anyone in particular. Yes we use indoctrination, but so what? Everyone else does too.

As for the elections..that is just foolish. Not strong Empire will live with a system of democracy cutting it off at its knees. Only the BEST candidates are in the government, as determined by extensive psychological and academic testing. Not the mot popular.

Maybe you shouldnt be called "Imperial" if your afraid to actually act like an Empire.
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 04:43
NationStates Fascist Alliance-

This is a pro-military, pro-conservative, and pro-capitalist allaince of fasiscts.

Join here- No communists, No tree-huggers, no pacifists

our button will be here soon!

Current Members-
Setian-Sebeceans
Crownguard



OOC: I find it offensive that a small group of people have an idea that fascism is pro-conservative and anti-environmentalist. What about the National Bolsheviks, the more left-leaning fascists in Italy or the Peronists? You're clearly ignoring other parts of the fascist movement.

I concur...I did not post this. As I said..look up my stances on "Equality" "Religion" and others. However..all eneds are subserviant to the State. BUT, all minorities and sexies are given equal opportunity for advancement, its a "meritocracy" with a bit of noble underlyings. As for environement...some State parks etc are protected but natural resources WILL be used.

Yes but, you cant have the enviornment stop you from advancing

I disagree. Once you deplete your environment or mismanage it, it is nearly impossible for the nation to advance. Plus, quality of life goes down and morale (which is interrelated to nationalist sentiments, something all fascist movements need) goes down. Destruction of the environment is counterproductive.
Imperial Forces
24-11-2003, 04:47
Actually..we are VERY moralistic. Honor, loyalty, courage, and intelligence are the highest ideals of the State. We refrain from dishonorable methods of war, as well as oppressing anyone in particular. Yes we use indoctrination, but so what? Everyone else does too.

Wow, I guess you feel special now?

As for the elections..that is just foolish. Not strong Empire will live with a system of democracy cutting it off at its knees. Only the BEST candidates are in the government, as determined by extensive psychological and academic testing. Not the mot popular.

That's why the the government elects the leader, if you give the people too much power, they make wrong choices, it has been the system for years.

Maybe you shouldnt be called "Imperial" if your afraid to actually act like an Empire.

If you want to see me "Imperialistic" keep talking.
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 04:49
Imperial Forces..your as fascist as I am by all means. Check your stats and my own, then read what I psoted of my nation, and tlel me it does nto at least bear a striking resemblance to your own.


Fascist does NOT mean Nazi....

My nation is moralistic, and have more freedoms than yours, and our polictical system is different from others.

People vote for the government, the government lected then votes for the leader.

We are not fascist.


Actually..we are VERY moralistic. Honor, loyalty, courage, and intelligence are the highest ideals of the State. We refrain from dishonorable methods of war, as well as oppressing anyone in particular. Yes we use indoctrination, but so what? Everyone else does too.

As for the elections..that is just foolish. Not strong Empire will live with a system of democracy cutting it off at its knees. Only the BEST candidates are in the government, as determined by extensive psychological and academic testing. Not the mot popular.

Maybe you shouldnt be called "Imperial" if your afraid to actually act like an Empire.

I disagree that elections and republican practices weaken empires. Rome grew tremendously when it was a republic, it was when it became a full-fledged dictatorship that it began to decline. Republics can work very well, it's just that when things get really bad they cease to function correctly, at which point dictatorship becomes not only the best option but the only one short of anarchy.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:49
We do have environmental safeguards, suprisngly. However...we are willing to buldoze anotehr forest if we have to get to uranium. But..in general..the environment is related to health, therefore, we keep it valued.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:51
Actually..we are VERY moralistic. Honor, loyalty, courage, and intelligence are the highest ideals of the State. We refrain from dishonorable methods of war, as well as oppressing anyone in particular. Yes we use indoctrination, but so what? Everyone else does too.

Wow, I guess you feel special now?

As for the elections..that is just foolish. Not strong Empire will live with a system of democracy cutting it off at its knees. Only the BEST candidates are in the government, as determined by extensive psychological and academic testing. Not the mot popular.

That's why the the government elects the leader, if you give the people too much power, they make wrong choices, it has been the system for years.

Maybe you shouldnt be called "Imperial" if your afraid to actually act like an Empire.

If you want to see me "Imperialistic" keep talking.


Oh please.....if your troops feel like a full nuclear spread, VX gas, and biological agents, you go right ahead. I will not hold back on defense int he name of security, the populace is well ready to live in underground vaults if needed.

As for your morals, I think its safe to say they are a farce, based on what your saying here.

But..dont take my own word for it..prove that you are a fascist nation if you wish, oppress those who criticize and then attack them..heh.
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 04:53
We do have environmental safeguards, suprisngly. However...we are willing to buldoze anotehr forest if we have to get to uranium. But..in general..the environment is related to health, therefore, we keep it valued.

I agree (see my earlier comments for details). Clean environments and efficient use of resources (i.e., recycling) keep people healthy, happy and proud of their countries. They also keep industry from depleting resources and force innovation. When the environment gets trashed however, people become sick, depressed and resentful of their government (just look at the USSR prior to it's collapse).
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 04:54
Imperial Forces..your as fascist as I am by all means. Check your stats and my own, then read what I psoted of my nation, and tlel me it does nto at least bear a striking resemblance to your own.


Fascist does NOT mean Nazi....

My nation is moralistic, and have more freedoms than yours, and our polictical system is different from others.

People vote for the government, the government lected then votes for the leader.

We are not fascist.


Actually..we are VERY moralistic. Honor, loyalty, courage, and intelligence are the highest ideals of the State. We refrain from dishonorable methods of war, as well as oppressing anyone in particular. Yes we use indoctrination, but so what? Everyone else does too.

As for the elections..that is just foolish. Not strong Empire will live with a system of democracy cutting it off at its knees. Only the BEST candidates are in the government, as determined by extensive psychological and academic testing. Not the mot popular.

Maybe you shouldnt be called "Imperial" if your afraid to actually act like an Empire.

I disagree that elections and republican practices weaken empires. Rome grew tremendously when it was a republic, it was when it became a full-fledged dictatorship that it began to decline. Republics can work very well, it's just that when things get really bad they cease to function correctly, at which point dictatorship becomes not only the best option but the only one short of anarchy.

Actually..the Pax Romanica reached its height after Octavian (Augustus); the Byzantines under Constantine. The Senate was rife with political infighting, and the Proconsuls were barely able to affect change..a war would be fought their entire time in office if they want, and then they lose office in a year. Not to mention of coruse that ROme was not a democracy....

Ask the plebian, the slave, and the foreigner if he were allowed to vote..not to mention the women.
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 04:56
Actually..we are VERY moralistic. Honor, loyalty, courage, and intelligence are the highest ideals of the State. We refrain from dishonorable methods of war, as well as oppressing anyone in particular. Yes we use indoctrination, but so what? Everyone else does too.

Wow, I guess you feel special now?

As for the elections..that is just foolish. Not strong Empire will live with a system of democracy cutting it off at its knees. Only the BEST candidates are in the government, as determined by extensive psychological and academic testing. Not the mot popular.

That's why the the government elects the leader, if you give the people too much power, they make wrong choices, it has been the system for years.

Maybe you shouldnt be called "Imperial" if your afraid to actually act like an Empire.

If you want to see me "Imperialistic" keep talking.


Oh please.....if your troops feel like a full nuclear spread, VX gas, and biological agents, you go right ahead. I will not hold back on defense int he name of security, the populace is well ready to live in underground vaults if needed.

As for your morals, I think its safe to say they are a farce, based on what your saying here.

But..dont take my own word for it..prove that you are a fascist nation if you wish, oppress those who criticize and then attack them..heh.

If you use Bio-chemical agents and oppress people regularly, your people will eventually rise up to defeat you. Just use some restraint in your weapon use and sedate protesters. That's what I do anyway.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:00
We dont use them reguarly..they are developed and stored..much like nuclear missiles.

We dont NEED to oppress our people really, the State school indoctrinate loyalty quite easily..its..literally..inconceivable for most people to go agains tthe government. They would cite the anarchy, the poverty, the loss of direction it would cause. Also, they would loe their entire sustenance fromt he State..so they dont revolt all that often.
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 05:01
Imperial Forces..your as fascist as I am by all means. Check your stats and my own, then read what I psoted of my nation, and tlel me it does nto at least bear a striking resemblance to your own.


Fascist does NOT mean Nazi....

My nation is moralistic, and have more freedoms than yours, and our polictical system is different from others.

People vote for the government, the government lected then votes for the leader.

We are not fascist.


Actually..we are VERY moralistic. Honor, loyalty, courage, and intelligence are the highest ideals of the State. We refrain from dishonorable methods of war, as well as oppressing anyone in particular. Yes we use indoctrination, but so what? Everyone else does too.

As for the elections..that is just foolish. Not strong Empire will live with a system of democracy cutting it off at its knees. Only the BEST candidates are in the government, as determined by extensive psychological and academic testing. Not the mot popular.

Maybe you shouldnt be called "Imperial" if your afraid to actually act like an Empire.

I disagree that elections and republican practices weaken empires. Rome grew tremendously when it was a republic, it was when it became a full-fledged dictatorship that it began to decline. Republics can work very well, it's just that when things get really bad they cease to function correctly, at which point dictatorship becomes not only the best option but the only one short of anarchy.

Actually..the Pax Romanica reached its height after Octavian (Augustus); the Byzantines under Constantine. The Senate was rife with political infighting, and the Proconsuls were barely able to affect change..a war would be fought their entire time in office if they want, and then they lose office in a year. Not to mention of coruse that ROme was not a democracy....

Ask the plebian, the slave, and the foreigner if he were allowed to vote..not to mention the women.

I said that it grew tremendously as a republic, I never said that it didn't grow more as a dictatorship. The fact is, the dictators ruling Rome gradually became corrupt, inbred, insane or a combination of those as the years went by. I never said that Rome was democratic either, nor do I think that democracy works at all as a system. Also, note that I said that the natural flaw of republics is that when civil unrest arises the government must become a dictatorship of some kind to keep the country together. That obviously came into play when Rome's government started having internal squabbles and unrest.
Imperial Forces
24-11-2003, 05:02
Oh please.....if your troops feel like a full nuclear spread, VX gas, and biological agents, you go right ahead. I will not hold back on defense int he name of security, the populace is well ready to live in underground vaults if needed.

*Points to the fact I'm almost three times the size of you*
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 05:05
We dont use them reguarly..they are developed and stored..much like nuclear missiles.

We dont NEED to oppress our people really, the State school indoctrinate loyalty quite easily..its..literally..inconceivable for most people to go agains tthe government. They would cite the anarchy, the poverty, the loss of direction it would cause. Also, they would loe their entire sustenance fromt he State..so they dont revolt all that often.

What I said was that you oppressed people regularly, not that you use bio-chemical weapons regularly. Anyway, Bio-chemical weapons are just a bad idea, not to mention a huge security risk (imagine if there were an accident, or terrorists got them). Again, the key to stability in all governments is moderation and respect for human life. If you decide to start busting skulls for no good reason, chances are people are going to get pissed, indoctrination or not.
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 05:06
BUMP
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:08
Oh please.....if your troops feel like a full nuclear spread, VX gas, and biological agents, you go right ahead. I will not hold back on defense int he name of security, the populace is well ready to live in underground vaults if needed.

*Points to the fact I'm almost three times the size of you*


Again..AND?

How do you plan on shipping all those lovely troops here? And WMDs dont care how big you are..they all fall like cordwood. I dont care about your population..you see..you have to deal with unrest at your Imperialist undertakings by your people who you love so much.

THen the fact you are invading a nation for insulting you (something normally frowned upon by most...or else America would invade basically every nation on Earth*.

I hope you you like giant cockroaches running your government if you invade....

Hypocrisy.....aint it something.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:10
We dont use them reguarly..they are developed and stored..much like nuclear missiles.

We dont NEED to oppress our people really, the State school indoctrinate loyalty quite easily..its..literally..inconceivable for most people to go agains tthe government. They would cite the anarchy, the poverty, the loss of direction it would cause. Also, they would loe their entire sustenance fromt he State..so they dont revolt all that often.

What I said was that you oppressed people regularly, not that you use bio-chemical weapons regularly. Anyway, Bio-chemical weapons are just a bad idea, not to mention a huge security risk (imagine if there were an accident, or terrorists got them). Again, the key to stability in all governments is moderation and respect for human life. If you decide to start busting skulls for no good reason, chances are people are going to get pissed, indoctrination or not.

We dont start wars that are unprofitable...though as regards bashing skulls...go see Imperial Forces for that.
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 05:11
Oh please.....if your troops feel like a full nuclear spread, VX gas, and biological agents, you go right ahead. I will not hold back on defense int he name of security, the populace is well ready to live in underground vaults if needed.

*Points to the fact I'm almost three times the size of you*


Again..AND?

How do you plan on shipping all those lovely troops here? And WMDs dont care how big you are..they all fall like cordwood. I dont care about your population..you see..you have to deal with unrest at your Imperialist undertakings by your people who you love so much.

THen the fact you are invading a nation for insulting you (something normally frowned upon by most...or else America would invade basically every nation on Earth*.

I hope you you like giant cockroaches running your government if you invade....

Hypocrisy.....aint it something.

Whoa, calm down people. No need to start wars over some minor spat. They'll be plenty of times to start wars when our alliance is firmly established.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:14
Oh please.....if your troops feel like a full nuclear spread, VX gas, and biological agents, you go right ahead. I will not hold back on defense int he name of security, the populace is well ready to live in underground vaults if needed.

*Points to the fact I'm almost three times the size of you*


Again..AND?

How do you plan on shipping all those lovely troops here? And WMDs dont care how big you are..they all fall like cordwood. I dont care about your population..you see..you have to deal with unrest at your Imperialist undertakings by your people who you love so much.

THen the fact you are invading a nation for insulting you (something normally frowned upon by most...or else America would invade basically every nation on Earth*.

I hope you you like giant cockroaches running your government if you invade....

Hypocrisy.....aint it something.

Whoa, calm down people. No need to start wars over some minor spat. They'll be plenty of times to start wars when our alliance is firmly established.

Im willing to share an alliance with your esteemed nation, American Miltarists. I dont know what Imperial Forces is doing, however.
Lyran Alliance
24-11-2003, 05:16
:oops:
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 05:17
Well, that's good. I'm wondering if we can get more people to join the NSFA though.
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:17
:oops:


er.....



:?:
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:18
Well, that's good. I'm wondering if we can get more people to join the NSFA though.

Im wondering if it is to become a region or not. I DO happen to like the Corporate Islands...
Free Worlds League
24-11-2003, 05:20
Can the REAL "Free Worlds League" join the NSFA? :lol:

Captain-General Seifer Marik ~ 1st Free World Guards


http://dcrc.net/images/FreeWorldsLeaguegif.gif
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:22
Can the REAL "Free Worlds League" join the NSFA? :lol:

Captain-General Seifer Marik ~ 1st Free World Guards


http://dcrc.net/images/FreeWorldsLeaguegif.gif

Mechwarrior/Battletech! Rock on man..if its up to me, sure!


(Bah..FWL and Lyrans..what next...the Clans? :twisted: )
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 05:26
Im changing some things to let all fascists in.

Free World League, yes you may
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:29
Ah..screw it..Ill join. As is American Miltarists I believe.
Free Worlds League
24-11-2003, 05:30
Thank you, we look forward to a bright future in this new alliance. :o

(could you please make sure our name is Free World"S" League :x )


(P.s There are many battletech nations out there, check out region the inner sphere, or inner shpere)
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 05:32
Well, that's good. I'm wondering if we can get more people to join the NSFA though.

Im wondering if it is to become a region or not. I DO happen to like the Corporate Islands...

And obviously I like my own self created region. I would consider joining the NSFA if it were a region though.
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 05:38
There is now a NSFA region, it is NationStates Fascist Alliance
American Militarists
24-11-2003, 05:44
A little... Sparse. Would anyone consider joining my region, if I renamed it to the Iron Fists' Alliance?
Crownguard
24-11-2003, 05:51
A little... Sparse. Would anyone consider joining my region, if I renamed it to the Iron Fists' Alliance?

Depends on whose the better founder..as in..design etc of a website and factbook?
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 05:53
A little... Sparse. Would anyone consider joining my region, if I renamed it to the Iron Fists' Alliance?

Depends on whose the better founder..as in..design etc of a website and factbook?

well give me time, im gonna a get a forum, and a site for the NSFA, k?
Great Russian States
24-11-2003, 06:29
BUMP
Setian-Sebeceans
24-11-2003, 15:34
BUMP

You wann join.
Free Worlds League
24-11-2003, 20:16
Nice Site setian :D Although im sure you are already planning it, I think we should have a map of the NSFA, and a breakdown of the military. What I mean is, every member nation can contribute a brigade or some regiments so that we can have a NSFA army, sort of like NATO. What do you guys think? :mrgreen:
Setian-Sebeceans
25-11-2003, 01:11
Nice Site setian :D Although im sure you are already planning it, I think we should have a map of the NSFA, and a breakdown of the military. What I mean is, every member nation can contribute a brigade or some regiments so that we can have a NSFA army, sort of like NATO. What do you guys think? :mrgreen:

Sounds great, but, I must warn you i would take up most of it, I'm a spaceing nation, with my own planet. But I do own a very large island and bay on earth, that we could use as allied terretory. I'll probably commit the primary space force, and SSD(Special Sebecean Denomination) troops.
Crownguard
25-11-2003, 02:03
Nice Site setian :D Although im sure you are already planning it, I think we should have a map of the NSFA, and a breakdown of the military. What I mean is, every member nation can contribute a brigade or some regiments so that we can have a NSFA army, sort of like NATO. What do you guys think? :mrgreen:

Sounds great, but, I must warn you i would take up most of it, I'm a spaceing nation, with my own planet. But I do own a very large island and bay on earth, that we could use as allied terretory. I'll probably commit the primary space force, and SSD(Special Sebecean Denomination) troops.

How do you figure, with our populations massively larger than yours pray tell?
Setian-Sebeceans
25-11-2003, 02:33
Nice Site setian :D Although im sure you are already planning it, I think we should have a map of the NSFA, and a breakdown of the military. What I mean is, every member nation can contribute a brigade or some regiments so that we can have a NSFA army, sort of like NATO. What do you guys think? :mrgreen:

Sounds great, but, I must warn you i would take up most of it, I'm a spaceing nation, with my own planet. But I do own a very large island and bay on earth, that we could use as allied terretory. I'll probably commit the primary space force, and SSD(Special Sebecean Denomination) troops.

How do you figure, with our populations massively larger than yours pray tell?

Well we have declared a lot of space, and we have small colonies of about 10 thousand people on planets. so i have a lot of territory, perfect for an expanding nation.
Free Worlds League
25-11-2003, 02:40
Actually Im probably larger then both of you but toghther, as I have close to 1.2 billion people, colonies from Earth orbit to neptune, and two solar systems in the Rim 8)
Free Worlds League
25-11-2003, 02:40
Actually Im probably larger then both of you but toghther, as I have close to 1.2 billion people, colonies from Earth orbit to neptune, and two solar systems in the Rim 8)
Setian-Sebeceans
25-11-2003, 05:01
Actually Im probably larger then both of you but toghther, as I have close to 1.2 billion people, colonies from Earth orbit to neptune, and two solar systems in the Rim 8)

Teritory wise, I am. Got about 12 systems, all littered with defenses and mines, they got my name on it, but there mainly backup systems, in event of invasion, i got lots of places to run. The earth island i own is the size the rl australia, but we'll use as a one big city/military complex, for joint trianing and production. The name for this complex will be...(Any Ideas)
25-11-2003, 05:09
United Nations Space Command Priority Transmission
00000A-01
Encryption Code: Green
Public Key: transmission/broadcast/access Alpha
From: Office of Naval Intelligence
To: NSFA
Subject: UNSC involvement

/start file/
I am here on behalf of the UNSC council to state that the UNSC will now be applying to join the NSFA.
/end file/
Setian-Sebeceans
25-11-2003, 05:26
United Nations Space Command Priority Transmission
00000A-01
Encryption Code: Green
Public Key: transmission/broadcast/access Alpha
From: Office of Naval Intelligence
To: NSFA
Subject: UNSC involvement

/start file/
I am here on behalf of the UNSC council to state that the UNSC will now be applying to join the NSFA.
/end file/

Thank you UNSC.

All member nations begin recruting other nations
Setian-Sebeceans
26-11-2003, 22:11
Bump.

Our government is ordering the creation of a large vehicale pool at our joint base. It will consist of all tanks fighters and transports of all nations.
Setian-Sebeceans
27-11-2003, 21:44
:tantrum: BUMP :tantrum:
Free Worlds League
28-11-2003, 19:56
I think we should turn your base into a massive fortress that can protect the entire NSFA, and if neccessary be a place to fall back to for a last stand :twisted: Anways, If you can give me a moderately large piece of the joint base, with access to the coast, so I can build deepwater ports, and some mountainous terrain so I can construct large underground facilities.

:roll:
Free Worlds League
28-11-2003, 19:56
I think we should turn your base into a massive fortress that can protect the entire NSFA, and if neccessary be a place to fall back to for a last stand :twisted: Anways, If you can give me a moderately large piece of the joint base, with access to the coast, so I can build deepwater ports, and some mountainous terrain so I can construct large underground facilities.

:roll:
Setian-Sebeceans
01-12-2003, 03:23
I think we should turn your base into a massive fortress that can protect the entire NSFA, and if neccessary be a place to fall back to for a last stand :twisted: Anways, If you can give me a moderately large piece of the joint base, with access to the coast, so I can build deepwater ports, and some mountainous terrain so I can construct large underground facilities.

:roll:

Agreed, just show us what you want, because it is joint territiory. BTW, I'm building defesive particle cannons in our base, for defense against planetary bombardment.
01-12-2003, 03:24
Walten will join.Who knows perhaps you can ally with the GDODAD.(Which ima member in).
Setian-Sebeceans
01-12-2003, 03:29
Agreed. Please remember this is not a corrupt alliance. We are not NAZI's, but neo-fascists. Please move your nation, or a subnation in our reagion.
The Flame Drake Zoltan
01-12-2003, 03:45
[tag]
Setian-Sebeceans
01-12-2003, 05:34
BUMP
Free Worlds League
01-12-2003, 05:57
If the joint base, is an island the size of australia, then would it be possible for the FWL to acquire say 1-200,000 km2 , with adequate coastline and mountain regions? :roll:
Setian-Sebeceans
01-12-2003, 16:03
If the joint base, is an island the size of australia, then would it be possible for the FWL to acquire say 1-200,000 km2 , with adequate coastline and mountain regions? :roll:

Sure.
American Militarists
01-12-2003, 18:00
The Iron Fist Alliance is now a new region. We will ally with the NSFA, though I will not join the NSFA (I'll send a puppet instead). Plus, I've never liked totalitarianism; just authoritarianism (preferably in the form of a father knows best state).
American Militarists
01-12-2003, 21:07
BUMP
15-12-2003, 02:55
The armed republic of Lotus7 strikes a fancy with your alliance. I request permission to arrive in your headquarters.
Setian-Sebeceans
15-12-2003, 02:57
The armed republic of Lotus7 strikes a fancy with your alliance. I request permission to arrive in your headquarters.

Agreed, sending Quardinates for HQ Island
Diminix
15-12-2003, 03:03
I'll join. :-D
15-12-2003, 03:11
::A very large, odd shaped Jet arrives and lands immediately. President Pellegrino steps out of the Jet accompanied by a well dressed man, which appears to be an advisor, and a very dangerous looking soldier- dressed in technology that you have never seen before::

Let the negotiations begin immediately.
-You offer me the blueprints to your most advanced military technology
and i give you 30 billion dollars, move my country, and my alliances to your alliances HQ.
Is this a deal?
15-12-2003, 03:11
::A very large, odd shaped Jet arrives and lands immediately. President Pellegrino steps out of the Jet accompanied by a well dressed man, which appears to be an advisor, and a very dangerous looking soldier- dressed in technology that you have never seen before::

Let the negotiations begin immediately.
-You offer me the blueprints to your most advanced military technology
and i give you 30 billion dollars, move my country, and my alliances to your alliances HQ.
Is this a deal?
Setian-Sebeceans
15-12-2003, 03:16
::A very large, odd shaped Jet arrives and lands immediately. President Pellegrino steps out of the Jet accompanied by a well dressed man, which appears to be an advisor, and a very dangerous looking soldier- dressed in technology that you have never seen before::

Let the negotiations begin immediately.
-You offer me the blueprints to your most advanced military technology
and i give you 30 billion dollars, move my country, and my alliances to your alliances HQ.
Is this a deal?

Yes it is the NSFA Reigion is just a embassy and joint military base, you don't have to move your whole nation there
15-12-2003, 03:27
So what must i do then?
Setian-Sebeceans
15-12-2003, 03:32
So what must i do then?

Just say that you will not tarnish the NSFA name, and join, kappesh?
15-12-2003, 03:36
Very well then- You have my nation's alliance. I look foward to future transactions, and battles fought by your side.
You have made a friend in Lotus7- you may send the blueprints when ready. the 30 bil. is yours.
Layarteb
15-12-2003, 07:08
Layarteb is not a fascist nation. We are a right-winged empire without elections and a ruling emperor, that is so. But we hold a high degree of morality. Our views on the below topics:

1) Abortion
-Unless a woman is raped (includes incest), the child will be born mentally retarded, or it could kill either the mother and/or child during birth abortion is outlawed. If a woman is raped her rapist pays the bill if so. As far as other cases, the state pays the bill.

2) Education
-Yes it's a good thing. Until your 16 education is mandated. At 16 you are legally able to work and thus, if you choose so may drop out and work.

3) Healthcare
-All privately owned. If you can't afford it, tough luck.

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service
-2 years compulsory after HS (ages 18 - 20).

5) Welfare
-Get a job!

Now we're not a state that is the most free but no complaints come from our citizens. They are not taxed to death as taxes usually range around 20% +/- 5%. We do not tell them how to run their lives, if they want to be morons they can be but when they become a nusance to the state they are delt with. If you work honestly, pay your taxes, and live an honest life you have nothing to fear and in fact the government is your best friend. If otherwise, then you might as well dig spider holes and hide out!

We do not wish to join the alliance as we are not facists but we do extend our hand in that we regard this alliance as friendly. We respect it and thus leave it as is. We offer access to our military storefronts and invite all to look and purchase what they need. We also invite you to call upon us if you need to in the event of a war but we cannot guarantee anything, though we will try our HARDEST to accomodate you.

Thank You

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Setian-Sebeceans
15-12-2003, 15:32
Layarteb is not a fascist nation. We are a right-winged empire without elections and a ruling emperor, that is so. But we hold a high degree of morality. Our views on the below topics:

1) Abortion
-Unless a woman is raped (includes incest), the child will be born mentally retarded, or it could kill either the mother and/or child during birth abortion is outlawed. If a woman is raped her rapist pays the bill if so. As far as other cases, the state pays the bill.

2) Education
-Yes it's a good thing. Until your 16 education is mandated. At 16 you are legally able to work and thus, if you choose so may drop out and work.

3) Healthcare
-All privately owned. If you can't afford it, tough luck.

4) Compulsory or Voluntary military service
-2 years compulsory after HS (ages 18 - 20).

5) Welfare
-Get a job!

Now we're not a state that is the most free but no complaints come from our citizens. They are not taxed to death as taxes usually range around 20% +/- 5%. We do not tell them how to run their lives, if they want to be morons they can be but when they become a nusance to the state they are delt with. If you work honestly, pay your taxes, and live an honest life you have nothing to fear and in fact the government is your best friend. If otherwise, then you might as well dig spider holes and hide out!

We do not wish to join the alliance as we are not facists but we do extend our hand in that we regard this alliance as friendly. We respect it and thus leave it as is. We offer access to our military storefronts and invite all to look and purchase what they need. We also invite you to call upon us if you need to in the event of a war but we cannot guarantee anything, though we will try our HARDEST to accomodate you.

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Hey your government is similar to mine, my nation is a Federal Fascist government.But if you insist, your not fascist.
Jeruselem
15-12-2003, 15:41
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Layarteb
16-12-2003, 01:50
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

There is no terror and censorship in Layarteb; we are not aggressive unless provoked or asked; people are free to spend their money on what they want; there is no racism against a particular race

So no we aren't fascist..
Setian-Sebeceans
16-12-2003, 02:09
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

There is no terror and censorship in Layarteb; we are not aggressive unless provoked or asked; people are free to spend their money on what they want; there is no racism against a particular race

So no we aren't fascist..

There are degrees of fascism, I'm what you could called softcore fascist.
Layarteb
16-12-2003, 04:50
I'm the mighty emperor :)
CharlotteMaria
23-12-2003, 13:02
Abortion: Allowed no stigma, however, incentives are given for raising a child. We want to keep the population booming.
What do you mean by 'Allowed no stigma'?

Education: State sponsored, mandatory till age 18.
But what about all the unmotivated yob types that don't want to learn? They, even after the age of 16, will continue to disrupt the learning of others.

Colleges offered by select elite institutions, all State-run. (Control the minds, control the people) However..each one is HIGHLY funded, the teachers an elite sub-group of administrator, making it the best education available by far.
Good. What I would do is have private institutions, but give them money for each student they take. Bollocks to controlling addmissions. If Elite Institutions want to be snobbish, then that is up to them.

A test is administered at age 18 for classification of Job status. All failures are assigned to Labor Corps for construction and blue collar jobs, or else drafted (if needed). Corporations are allowed to hire who they wish of the Non-Tagged people, (aka people who score less than the 60th percentile), though much of the factories are being automated, human beings needed more for delicate tasks.
One test? What sort of test? All based on this one test?
What I would do is go to a special tutorial school, where I would be taught for a year simply to pass the test with a higher mark as possible. :twisted: That way I would get one of the best jobs with only a year of work and £10000 of school fees.

Healthcare: State sponsored, incentives given to people who help with the military or research positions. No person is without decent medical care, genetics and bioresearch HIGHLY lucrative and prestigious.
Good, except for state funded research, which is expensive and unproductive. Medical research should be left to the private sector.

Military Service: Required for all citizens at age 18, serve one year boot camp, waived if the person is needed for a highly sensitive or red-area position in the government. After boot camp, citizen is discharged with full honors, those who wish to continue recieve 2-3 more years of training and real world exercisses as soldier "cadets".
Much too conformist, and a complete violation of civil liberty. What about the people who are at college, have jobs, of are doing someother course.
People who were made to join the military against their will tend to be badly motivated and ill disiplined.

Welfare: State-run, though people are required to work for it. If you recieve a welfare check, you are required to help with whatever project or assignment you are given by the State. There are no free handouts, and the State happily provides job training to those who require it.
Good. But the job training should be state funded, but not state run.

Crime: Almost non-existant, we have a highly efficient system of weeding out offenders. Those who commit a crime are drafted as labor units for their sentence. All citizens are barcoded and given a SIN (System Identity Number) at birth or citizenship status. SIN-less people are granted civilian rights, but arent given access to state facilities unless pursuing SIN status. Criminals automatically given a SIN. (Yes, I nicked from Shadowrun there)
Good idea. Although I would have a three strikes... ...and then the death penalty system. There are some who just cannot be rehabilitated.

Religion: Government is affirmed atheist. Religions are allowed but monitored for subversive content determinetal to the State. All religious leaders are required to mantain files in our directory.
Good. I would not know what to do about faith based schools though.

Now..that is your "enlightened fascism". Everyone is equal, everyone works...everyone is loyal. Each is provided with what they need, and the intelligent and ambitious rise to fill government positions. Happiness is almost guaranteed if your willing to sweat a little for it.
Your ideas are good. But you need to look into what actually would happen in practice if your education policy was applied. Look at what happened with the 11-plus system, it was the most corrupted system ever. Too bad if you were a late developer.
Setian-Sebeceans
03-01-2004, 04:24
BUMP
Freeshire
03-01-2004, 04:46
The Republic of Freeshire would like to join your Fascist Alliance.
Setian-Sebeceans
04-01-2004, 06:11
The Republic of Freeshire would like to join your Fascist Alliance.

Ok your in, note you can also move you or a puppet nation in to the NationStates Fascist Alliacne reigion. Please contact me who the puppet is first.
Diminix
04-01-2004, 06:35
I need to be removed from the list. I'm allied with GDODAD.
Sydia
04-01-2004, 07:00
I couldn't be bothered trawling through 7 pages, so whats the GDODAD?
Setian-Sebeceans
04-01-2004, 19:56
I couldn't be bothered trawling through 7 pages, so whats the GDODAD?

Its a group of nations that tend to be more corrupt.
Setian-Sebeceans
04-01-2004, 20:02
I have decided to leave the NSFA because some of the other members controdict our new beliefs, I will Leave the alliance to who ever wants it. I may start a new alliance for the new political ideals of the Militarmacht.
Layarteb
04-01-2004, 20:04
I have decided to leave the NSFA because some of the other members controdict our new beliefs, I will Leave the alliance to who ever wants it. I may start a new alliance for the new political ideals of the Militarmacht.

Just kick em out of the alliance.