NationStates Jolt Archive

Now we have known for a long time that it is ridiculously unrealistic for all the nations of NationStates to be located on one planet. Indeed, there are many regions that alone are too large for a single planet. Neither of these necessitate space-tech, as the nations can exists independently on different planets. However, for these nations to have relations, they must have some form of interplanetary, and even interstellar transport. It seems that the so called 'realistic' nations are actually less realistic than space-tech ones!
Nations will eventually reach the point where they alone are too large for a single planet.

~OOC

OOC:

Hrm. Well, considering that there are roughly 150 nations on the real planet, and 87,357 on NS Earth; that means...

RL Earth = 150 approx. nations
NS Earth = 87,357 nations

That NationStates' version of Earth would have to be 583 times larger than the real one; since it's simply doesn't make sense to have 87,000 nations limited to a real-life version of Earth, what with the constant-and-neverending growth of nations.

OOC There is no understanding NS geography to do so is to be driven insane.

OOC:

Hrm. Well, considering that there are roughly 150 nations on the real planet, and 87,357 on NS Earth; that means...

RL Earth = 150 approx. nations
NS Earth = 87,357 nations

That NationStates' version of Earth would have to be 583 times larger than the real one; since it's simply doesn't make sense to have 87,000 nations limited to a real-life version of Earth, what with the constant-and-neverending growth of nations.

The Steel Empire consists of 8 planets in the Orion Sector...many other nations are on Mars and the like as well...

OOC:

Hrm. Well, considering that there are roughly 150 nations on the real planet, and 87,357 on NS Earth; that means...

RL Earth = 150 approx. nations
NS Earth = 87,357 nations

That NationStates' version of Earth would have to be 583 times larger than the real one; since it's simply doesn't make sense to have 87,000 nations limited to a real-life version of Earth, what with the constant-and-neverending growth of nations.

Alternet dimentions and planes, whole contanents appering and dissapering in a matter of days, DO NOT look directly at NS Earth, it will make you go insaine

anyway, I own the Pleiades Cluster, so Earth Geo dosn't effect me

It would.

And since I consider my logic good, we're left to assume that no aircraft has yet flown around the Earth; as that'd be at the very least, 4,664,000 miles around.

And impossible without hundreds upon hundreds of midair refuelings.

Ah, the evil of logistics.

It would.

And since I consider my logic good, we're left to assume that no aircraft has yet flown around the Earth; as that'd be at the very least, 4,664,000 miles around.

And impossible without hundreds upon hundreds of midair refuelings.

Ah, the evil of logistics.

OOC:

Hrm. Well, considering that there are roughly 150 nations on the real planet, and 87,357 on NS Earth; that means...

RL Earth = 150 approx. nations
NS Earth = 87,357 nations

That NationStates' version of Earth would have to be 583 times larger than the real one; since it's simply doesn't make sense to have 87,000 nations limited to a real-life version of Earth, what with the constant-and-neverending growth of nations.

And if NS earth were 583 times larger than real earth, it would have 14076 times real earth's mass and a considerably higher amount of gravity - it would be uninhabitable like Jupiter!

OOC:

Hrm. Well, considering that there are roughly 150 nations on the real planet, and 87,357 on NS Earth; that means...

RL Earth = 150 approx. nations
NS Earth = 87,357 nations

That NationStates' version of Earth would have to be 583 times larger than the real one; since it's simply doesn't make sense to have 87,000 nations limited to a real-life version of Earth, what with the constant-and-neverending growth of nations.

And if NS earth were 583 times larger than real earth, it would have 14076 times real earth's mass and a considerably higher amount of gravity!

That and the constent shifting of Plains and alternet Timelines would rip everyone apart.

Well, thanks for that little tidbit.

So, by that -- do you think it's better to cram 87,000 nations onto a normal-sized incarnation of Earth?

Well, thanks for that little tidbit.

So, by that -- do you think it's better to cram 87,000 nations onto a normal-sized incarnation of Earth?

well, that would give everyone a nation about the size of........Road Island

Well, thanks for that little tidbit.

So, by that -- do you think it's better to cram 87,000 nations onto a normal-sized incarnation of Earth?

I don't know who you were talking to, but the general consensus seems to be that it is best to split all the nations up between many planets.

Which is out-of-the-question; 1.22 billion Oglethorpians isn't going to fit, even if I did somehow annex the neighboring Rhode Island-compacto-state.

And even less sensible is having multiple Earths; I wouldn't/won't be forced into becoming a spacefaring nation because someone is obsessing over planet logistics and the like.

Well, thanks for that little tidbit.

So, by that -- do you think it's better to cram 87,000 nations onto a normal-sized incarnation of Earth?

I don't know who you were talking to, but the general consensus seems to be that it is best to split all the nations up between many planets.

And even less sensible is having multiple Earths; I wouldn't/won't be forced into becoming a spacefaring nation because someone is obsessing over planet logistics and the like.

Why should a handful of nations be able to force hundreds of others to become spacefaring? That's not everyone's preference.

Maybe when a region gets to a certain size, it can go for being considered a planet, instead of a region?

Which is out-of-the-question; 1.22 billion Oglethorpians isn't going to fit, even if I did somehow annex the neighboring Rhode Island-compacto-state.

And even less sensible is having multiple Earths; I wouldn't/won't be forced into becoming a spacefaring nation because someone is obsessing over planet logistics and the like.

Alternet pains are in effect right now, but it still shoudn't work, as that is even less realistic then Space Tech. That and you people should all be dead right now from the massive Temporal distortions

Which is out-of-the-question; 1.22 billion Oglethorpians isn't going to fit, even if I did somehow annex the neighboring Rhode Island-compacto-state.

And even less sensible is having multiple Earths; I wouldn't/won't be forced into becoming a spacefaring nation because someone is obsessing over planet logistics and the like.

Yes, it is just a game, don't get worked up - other examples of realism are ignored, this needs be no different.

P.S. Why would the planets all be called Earth? It'd be very confusing.

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P.S. Why would the planets all be called Earth? It'd be very confusing.

As you know, i'm not too fond with the idea of multiple planets -- but why would a game based on real-life not have it's main planet (that is, the most populous) called Earth?

...other examples of realism are ignored, this needs be no different.

So we have to abide by the laws of geology; and not be able to have a large centralized planet, but can all become spacefaring because all planets have to be the same relative size as Earth?

Oglethorpia, I don't think you should be forced into anything. Just live on your NS earth with many nations (not all, as some ARE space, etc). No-one really cares that earth has too many people to be realistic, I was just talking about why it's unrealistic. I wasn't saying that "NS earth" people should change to suit the rest of us.

True.

So, for the sake arguement/discussion: even if we took a more accurate number of active nations; say 250, would they still have to be split up upon a small number of planets?

True.

So, for the sake arguement/discussion: even if we took a more accurate number of active nations; say 250, would they still have to be split up upon a small number of planets?

Not necessarily, but to RP realistically, you'd have to take the overpopulation (crowding, resources shortages, etc.) into account when the nations became large.

Well, alternatively, these additional earths could be on other branes, and so would cause no temporal distortion, and the gravitational distortion (the only thing we would notice) would have always been there, so it wouldn't seem strange to us at all. Of course, there is no way to travel between branes... but then, there are certain classes of people that no one interacts with... for example those nations which never RP. Or certain tech classes rarely interact with certain other tech classes.

Who said NS was realistic? If it was, populations wouldn't grow in population without bound.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

This is beyond doubt the funniest thread I have yet found in this game.

Keep up the good work.

Perhaps realism should be defined only by the person who starts a thread?

not "can all" but "should all". Most of the nations + about 99% of the newbies are/want to be space nations. However, since they are only familiar with earth's geography, they are all basing themselves their. And there isn't room! because there are 4 or 5 nations with many billions of population who want to be on earth in real-time. What is required then, is an alternate planet(s) for the space nations to start on.