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Slagkattunger comments on Space Elevator threats.

Slagkattunger
21-11-2003, 06:17
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**** Slagkattunger Broadcast Starts ****

“Greeting citizens of the world, it is my intention today to preserve the Free Land of Slagkattunger right to construct a Space Elevator without the threat of hostile action being conducted against us.”
Subtitles flash the following at the bottom of the screen"To avoid criticism, do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing."
“To begin with we have been criticised and even threaten with violence recently for our current project which has been years in developing, we have spent billions of Union Paw’s on this project and now certain nations like the Dominion of Wazzu ask that we stop. They say their scientist have told them that our Space Elevator will endanger NS Earth, even possibly destroying the planet or rendering it uninhabitable. They have showed us their mathematics and theories on why our project won’t work and what will happen if we continued with this project. But on the other hand our scientists have proven to our government that this will work and that the NS Earth is in no danger of being harmed from the project."
Subtitles flash the following at the bottom of the screen"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."
"As such we are continuing on with our project despite their calls to scrape our project, and while we are behind schedule we will finish this major undertaking. The Free Land of Slagkattunger will not be bullied by larger nations who disagree with our efforts or policies."
Subtitles flash the following at the bottom of the screen"Do to others what you would have them do to you."
"To those nations that have requested that we stop our project and have threaten violence if we don’t let me ask you this, would you stop or change your policies because another nation decided that it didn’t like them? Would you give up your freedom and let your nation be ruled by foreign nations? Would you continue on your path even if they threaten your nation with violence if you did not conform to their demands? I would say no of course not, but that is what you are doing to the Free Land of Slagkattunger by asking us to stop a build project that we have deemed safe."
Subtitles flash the following at the bottom of the screen "We cannot change anything until we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses."
"Instead of trying to stop our project we ask you, the nations that oppose this, to provide us with measures that you feel will increase the safety aspect of this project. (In a dry deadpan voice) And no stopping the project will not be an option to increase the safety aspect, so don’t even suggest it. (Back to normal voice) If you like The Dominion of Wazzu, really are peace loving nations, then you would lay aside your feelings towards this project and help us make it even more safer for all nations of NS Earth."
Subtitles flash the following at the bottom of the screen"A dwarf standing on the shoulders of a giant may see farther than a giant himself."
"Thank you for your time and attention, have a nice day.”

**** Slagkattunger Broadcast Finishes ****
Steel Butterfly
21-11-2003, 06:19
"As I said, would it be possible to make an arrangement for you to serve my wine on your elevator or station?"

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Slagkattunger
21-11-2003, 06:33
"As I said, would it be possible to make an arrangement for you to serve my wine on your elevator or station?"

"It would most certainly be possible to serve the wine on the completed station."
Steel Butterfly
21-11-2003, 06:34
"As I said, would it be possible to make an arrangement for you to serve my wine on your elevator or station?"

"It would most certainly be possible to serve the wine on the completed station."

"We are very glad to hear this news."
Wazzu
21-11-2003, 06:40
Wazzuian leaders felt this very public message needed a very public answer, so they made one. It was broadcasted internationally.

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"Greetings people of the world. For those that don't know, I am Manar Tawam, Speaker for the government of Wazzu.

"Recent time have brought forth accusations of threats. Accusations that Wazzu is threating the nation of Slagkattunger. Accusations that Wazzu seeks hostilities against its people. This is a political spin, a propagandist yarn in an attempt to save a failed project.

"For over thirty years, the nation of Slagkattunger has been developing a space elevator. Their people have spent blood and sweat, and their government large amounts of money. As such, we can not deny that they want to see it up. They want to see the fruits of their labor. The hard working people of Wazzu respect this feeling, but see it as a potential failing.

"An elevator to space poses hazards to all nations on Earth. It poses hazards to satelites and ships crossing the elevator's path in Earth's overclogged orbital space. It poses a hazard of crashing a giant asteroid into our planet, of the type many believed wiped out the dinosaurs. The elevator line itself poses a hazard itself should it break or fall, alternately pebbling or wipping our planet and our citizens as if a giant and somewhat random ortillary strike...a stike of which it is unlikely even the Empire of the Eternal Dawn could duplicate.

"Our scientists tell us this project was doomed from the begining, that there is likely no way to make it safe. This is a bureaucracy afraid of loosing its funding, a people afraid of realizing a failed dream, and starting a new one. We understand, and we feel for the citizens of Slagkattunger. But we won't let this project go through unless we are convinced we are wrong. Why?

"Because this elevator represents a global threat. Because we do not believe that the bureaucracy or even all the people of any one nation can tell us what threat we have to live with. Would you, the viewer of this announcement, trust your life, the lives of your family, of your friends, of your nation on the supposed science of an overgrown bureaucracy facing death? Would you still if your own scientists, or if you as a scientist disagreed with the projects viability?

"We in Wazzu don't, we won't. We will not tolerate the threat of this project until we are certain it is safe. We hope for a peaceful resolution. We have tried and will continue to try for a peacefull resolution. We have offered help with more reasonable and alternate projects, and we remain open to ideas on how this space elevator can be made safe.

"But until we are convinced, we will not allow this project to threaten our lives, our loved ones, or our soverignty. A peaceful solution remains open as long as the elevator ribbon is not dipped into the atmosphere.

"Until then, the WSS Darkskye, a civilian specialized cargo transport that has pushed asteroids and comets in the past, will remain ready to push the Slagkattunger asteroid out of harms way before an elevator is completed. Defense for this unarmed ship defending the peoples of Earth will be provided by Wazzu.

"Thank you, that is all"

The transmission cut to commercial, something about Steel Butterfly wines.
Slagkattunger
21-11-2003, 07:00
"As you can see even now the nation of Wazzu assumes a surperior attitude, they are telling you their version of what they think will happen.

They assume that we are doing this as a result of bureaucracy afraid of loosing its funding, this is not so but we must ask ourselves this..are they saying this because this is what their bureaucracy would do? We must remind you the nations of the world that the nation of Wazzu has no idea on how our government works, as no Wazzu citizen has seen the upper workings of our government.

We have repeatedly asked the government of Wazzu to suggest ways of making the space elevator safer in their eyes, as yet they have not provided us with anything.

Now they have stated that they intend to interfere with our project, this possible interference could prove to do the opposite of what they hope to do. Will you support an opperation that could almost end up pushing the Asteroid into NS Earth?

We ask the nation of Wazzu would they cease operating in space if another nation considered it a threat? For indeed all operations in space are a threat to NS Earth, a spaceship capable of pushing the asteroid must have large engines. Think of what would happen if it was to re-enter the atmoshere and survive long enough to crash into a city.

We ask Wazzu to keep their ship away from the station, also we repeat our request to them to provide a helpful suggestion to make the Space Elevator safer."
Wazzu
21-11-2003, 07:11
OOC: Though I could and would like to say something ICly, it is not in Wazzu's character to keep commenting on these things over international television. It'll let that bit of badly written and obvious propaganda be interpreted as individuals wish to, though direct-to communications with other nations will always be open.

I'll leave OOC arguements themselves in the other thread so as not to completely pollute or dilute or hijack this one. :)


EDIT: Thats a bump by the way.
Slagkattunger
21-11-2003, 11:54
<bump>
Taka
21-11-2003, 13:07
Wazzu, we understand your concerns, and they are valid, however should something go wrong with the space elevator, wouldn't the cable simply snap and allow the asteriod to follow its course as a satalite? If so, you could simply use the same ships you have been using to tug asteroids in the past to pull this one out of orbit. you are assuming that there is nothing that can be done, however it should be a simple task to simply intercept it shorty after the teather breaks. Towards this cause, we are willing to donate an Inertial Displacement Driver, which could slow the asteroid's orbital deterioration at the least, and keep the asteroid in geosyncronous orbit unitll the elevator could be reattached at best. As for disrupting space orbital paterns, it would be fairly simple for unmanned craft such as satalites to change possitions enough to give the space elevator a wide berth, and with manned space craft it would be a far simpler task to go either above it or skirt it. Air planes don't dictate that there can not be sky scrapers after all, meanrly that flight plans must be ajusted to keep them well above the contours of the land, we do not belive that this will be any different, and pray that a non-violent, mutualy benificial term can be reached by both parties.
21-11-2003, 13:17
The nation of SteamEarth would like to say that it gives its full support behind this project.

Also it'll lend it military strength in the defense of it.

We believe this project will be of great benefit to the nations who expect it, we are planningb to build our own when we finally relocate to another planet.

That is all.

Regent Edmund Vermillion.

Regential of SteamEarth.
Pablicosta
21-11-2003, 13:35
Applauds
Wazzu
21-11-2003, 15:22
TO: Takan Government
FROM: Wazzu Ministry of Diplomacy

Wazzu, we understand your concerns, and they are valid, however should something go wrong with the space elevator, wouldn't the cable simply snap and allow the asteriod to follow its course as a satalite? If so, you could simply use the same ships you have been using to tug asteroids in the past to pull this one out of orbit. you are assuming that there is nothing that can be done, however it should be a simple task to simply intercept it shorty after the teather breaks. Towards this cause, we are willing to donate an Inertial Displacement Driver, which could slow the asteroid's orbital deterioration at the least, and keep the asteroid in geosyncronous orbit unitll the elevator could be reattached at best. As for disrupting space orbital paterns, it would be fairly simple for unmanned craft such as satalites to change possitions enough to give the space elevator a wide berth, and with manned space craft it would be a far simpler task to go either above it or skirt it. Air planes don't dictate that there can not be sky scrapers after all, meanrly that flight plans must be ajusted to keep them well above the contours of the land, we do not belive that this will be any different, and pray that a non-violent, mutualy benificial term can be reached by both parties.

We are afraid none of this is the case.

The elevator in question is not held up by a spinning ribbon. Rather, it is held up by an anchor in orbit. The ribbon between the two is loose and does not contribute any radial force.

When something moves up the ribbon, the asteroid feels a backwards force, a westward tug. It's orbital distance decreases as befits its lower kinetic energy. Thus, the line does not pulled apart, but compressed. Only it is a ribbon, a teather, and as such is flexible and does not break.

Wind between ground level and 100-200 miles up also causes this phenomona.

The eventual result is the asteroid and teather crashing into Earth.

Why will drives not work? Because any drive will take as much energy to push the asteroid back up as any shuttle or rocket would, nullifying the advantages claimed of an elevator. Moreover, it threatens all peoples of Earth if this action is not taken by the overgrown bureaucracy in Slagkattunger.

We will not allow Slagkattunger to place Wazzu or the rest of the world in iminent danger, or as hostage to that nations whims. If the cable is connected and fully built, then Earth becomes that hostage, as destroying the cable rains down a multi-ton, heat-resistant ortillary strike on our cities. We can not allow this.

-Wazzu Ministry of Diplomacy
-Wazzu Space Administration
Slagkattunger
21-11-2003, 15:47
"We ask the nation of Wazzu this, have you actual physical proof that this would happen or is it entirely based on maths?

Also while your scientist might be good they know little about the weather, wind doesn't blow in one direction all the way up. Indeed it is possible to have wind blowing north near the base and yet be blowing south further up at the same or grather speed.

Also how can the weight of a lift shuttle affect a massive wieght of the asteroid? Remembering that while it might be in zero G it's acting as a teather ball & slowly trying to leave the geosychonis(ooc:- sp my bad it's late) orbit.

Further more what actions have you commited to preventing other nations having WMD? they are even more of a threat to the NS Earth than a theory that the asteriod will come down, it's like Chicken Little crying that the sky is falling."
Slagkattunger
21-11-2003, 16:18
<Bump before I call it a night> What the hell its 1.45 am time to hit the sack!
Wazzu
21-11-2003, 18:08
"We ask the nation of Wazzu this, have you actual physical proof that this would happen or is it entirely based on maths?

Also while your scientist might be good they know little about the weather, wind doesn't blow in one direction all the way up. Indeed it is possible to have wind blowing north near the base and yet be blowing south further up at the same or grather speed.

Also how can the weight of a lift shuttle affect a massive wieght of the asteroid? Remembering that while it might be in zero G it's acting as a teather ball & slowly trying to leave the geosychonis(ooc:- sp my bad it's late) orbit.

Further more what actions have you commited to preventing other nations having WMD? they are even more of a threat to the NS Earth than a theory that the asteriod will come down, it's like Chicken Little crying that the sky is falling."

Again, the nation of Wazzu was silent. It was not the policy of the government to get into public debates with forign regimes too set on propaganda to do a real scientific study. Wazzu leaders knew the answers, and knew other well educated nations would understand the threat this posed.
Thelas
21-11-2003, 18:18
Thelas allready opperates a space ladder and orbiting station (See my post about Sari Cuori), as of yet we have found few porlbems with the station, of course we are using an unusual design for the projet.

NOTE: The Crystal Tower as the ladder is called is made of a very flewible matiriel, called Hethren, this matiriel bends with the tower, and uses thousands of small thrusters to right the station as it begins to bend. Each platform and elevator of mounted on individual platforms, rotating independantly of the tower. The station on top of the tower, Sari Cuori (Silver Moon) can separate from the tower andcan use massive one time engines to lift itself out of earth gravity.

The tower itself is devided into sections, if the tower starts to collapse, each section will separate, and also use massive one time engines to lift them selfs farther up into the atmospere, where massive plasma explocives will detonate, and cause the towers to shatter into fragments no larger the a pebble at most.
Taka
21-11-2003, 19:07
Thelas brings an interesting concept to bare, why can this asteriod not be created with internaly places explosives to detonate it in a worse case senario? we have looked over your math, and find it both sound and scientificly accurate, however must question your assumption that such a driver would be as expencive as lifting the ship off. At that size above the atomspher, you simply have inertial forces to counter act, as opposed to inertial forces and gravitational forces, or would the gravitational forces working against the elevator craft still be experienced at the top of the elevator, in the counterweight? if the first is the case, then there would be no problem, yet if the second is, why wouldn't the inertial spin of the earth pull the ribbon taunt as it spins with a massive outward force?

Our scientists are working on simulations and thus far, we have show that a large enough asteroid at a far enough distance would not be changed in course more than would naturaly be corrected by normal use and normal weather conditions. . . the only way we have found that such and impact could take place is if the ribbon is spooled in by ground forces. We have had good relationships with you in the past, as has Valinon, a very close ally of Taka, and I am sure an acceptable solution can be reached without the use of military forces, however, untill we can see mathmatical models that take into effect centripal force, we will have to set up a cordon around the asteroid to assure that it is not repossitioned. Once more, we know that this matter can be solved peacefully, and urge both governments to come to mutal acceptable terms in this matter.
Wazzu
21-11-2003, 19:07
Thelas allready opperates a space ladder and orbiting station (See my post about Sari Cuori), as of yet we have found few porlbems with the station, of course we are using an unusual design for the projet.

NOTE: The Crystal Tower as the ladder is called is made of a very flewible matiriel, called Hethren, this matiriel bends with the tower, and uses thousands of small thrusters to right the station as it begins to bend. Each platform and elevator of mounted on individual platforms, rotating independantly of the tower. The station on top of the tower, Sari Cuori (Silver Moon) can separate from the tower andcan use massive one time engines to lift itself out of earth gravity.

The tower itself is devided into sections, if the tower starts to collapse, each section will separate, and also use massive one time engines to lift them selfs farther up into the atmospere, where massive plasma explocives will detonate, and cause the towers to shatter into fragments no larger the a pebble at most.

OOC: Sorry Thelas, had I seen it I would have RPed something about it. As it is, I'll have to ignore it.

BTW: Have you considered the damage a penny could do if dropped from the top of the Empire State Building (or similar tower)? What about millions of pennies from a height of 1-500 miles (or shorter kilometers)?
Wazzu
21-11-2003, 19:21
Thelas brings an interesting concept to bare, why can this asteriod not be created with internaly places explosives to detonate it in a worse case senario? we have looked over your math, and find it both sound and scientificly accurate, however must question your assumption that such a driver would be as expencive as lifting the ship off. At that size above the atomspher, you simply have inertial forces to counter act, as opposed to inertial forces and gravitational forces, or would the gravitational forces working against the elevator craft still be experienced at the top of the elevator, in the counterweight? if the first is the case, then there would be no problem, yet if the second is, why wouldn't the inertial spin of the earth pull the ribbon taunt as it spins with a massive outward force?

Our scientists are working on simulations and thus far, we have show that a large enough asteroid at a far enough distance would not be changed in course more than would naturaly be corrected by normal use and normal weather conditions. . . the only way we have found that such and impact could take place is if the ribbon is spooled in by ground forces. We have had good relationships with you in the past, as has Valinon, a very close ally of Taka, and I am sure an acceptable solution can be reached without the use of military forces, however, untill we can see mathmatical models that take into effect centripal force, we will have to set up a cordon around the asteroid to assure that it is not repossitioned. Once more, we know that this matter can be solved peacefully, and urge both governments to come to mutal acceptable terms in this matter.

OOC: Since there is so much bad physics going around, I'll break my earlier promise and go over some of it OOCly. I had hoped to keep this information in the other thread.

The centripital force vs. gravity arguement is simple, you don't even have to set up an equation to know the answer. If the line is not taut with a center of gravity at above GEO, then centripital force won't do enough. How do we know?

Because if you stand on the equator, you are not thrown off into space.

Explosives in the asteroid or in the line would only pepper the Earth with a MASSIVE (and I do mean !!!FREAKIN' HUGE!!!) and somewhat randomized ortillary bombardment. The alternative being not to blow up asteroid or ribbon and have the universe's largest ball and chain smacking into Earth. Either way, it is very very bad.

Gravity DOES exist in space. Objects in orbit are in "freefall", not "zero-gravity." If they were not affected by gravity, they would not orbit the planet.

Objects in orbit are literally falling around the Earth, they are falling, but the Earth curves away beneath them.

Wind is a problem because it does have one primary direction. The reason (I think) is because Earth as a whole rotates, but air is a fluid. You can see that it has one primary direction by turning on the weather channel and looking at the jet streams.

The mass of a little shuttle (or elevator) and its cargo affects the mass of the elevator for a few reaons. One is relative velocities (or momentum, inertia, or kinetic energy, however you wish to calculate it), the other is a lack of friction in space. Example of the last: Here on Earth, when you throw a ball, you don't go flying backwards, this is because the friction between your feet and the ground stops you. In a microgravity environment, if you were to throw a ball, you would float (probably spinning) in the opposite direction. Again, Newton's laws.

I'll stop there and keep the political arguements IC (or at least try to).
Taka
21-11-2003, 20:05
((OOC: head hurting, now I remember why I'm a soc major and not a math major >_<. Lemme see if I can come up with an intelegent responce))

The centripital force vs. gravity arguement is simple, you don't even have to set up an equation to know the answer. If the line is not taut with a center of gravity at above GEO, then centripital force won't do enough. How do we know?

Because if you stand on the equator, you are not thrown off into space.


but wouldn't a long enough lenght of ribbon nullify gravitational pull? if you take a bucket full of watter and swing itin your hands streched outward, it exerts x force on you, however if you add a length and swing it at the same RPM, it must go further, increacing the ammount of outward force. For much the same reason, if this weight were placed far enough away and yet maintained pace with earth's rotation, it would have a massive amount of counteracting force, and that would make wind and downward pull from upgoing ships negligable. We are aware that gravity exists in space, however, we are simply pointing out that as you move away from a gravity well its ability to excert pull on you is lessoned as well.


Explosives in the asteroid or in the line would only pepper the Earth with a MASSIVE (and I do mean !!!FREAKIN' HUGE!!!) and somewhat randomized ortillary bombardment. The alternative being not to blow up asteroid or ribbon and have the universe's largest ball and chain smacking into Earth. Either way, it is very very bad.

we realize this as well now, however wouldn't a large enough explosion on the asteriod and a smaller one at the base of the tethering ribbon send it flying away from earth, towards deep *and hopefully ininhabbited* space or the sun?
Western Might
21-11-2003, 20:07
~tag~
Wazzu
21-11-2003, 20:27
((OOC: head hurting, now I remember why I'm a soc major and not a math major >_<. Lemme see if I can come up with an intelegent responce))

OOC: First realize that my post was entirely OOC, as is this one. Wazzu is not providing counter arguements here, I am.

but wouldn't a long enough lenght of ribbon nullify gravitational pull? if you take a bucket full of watter and swing itin your hands streched outward, it exerts x force on you, however if you add a length and swing it at the same RPM, it must go further, increacing the ammount of outward force. For much the same reason, if this weight were placed far enough away and yet maintained pace with earth's rotation, it would have a massive amount of counteracting force, and that would make wind and downward pull from upgoing ships negligable. We are aware that gravity exists in space, however, we are simply pointing out that as you move away from a gravity well its ability to excert pull on you is lessoned as well.

As I said above, for this to happen, the ribbon would have to be taut. Also, to do this, your putting considerable strain on the tether. Imagine spinning a million ton asteroid on a more then 32,000 kilometer long chain one rotation per day with your arm.

Come to think of it, I think I'll calculate that force tonight (not just now, a bit busy, this is a quick post).


we realize this as well now, however wouldn't a large enough explosion on the asteriod and a smaller one at the base of the tethering ribbon send it flying away from earth, towards deep *and hopefully ininhabbited* space or the sun?

Rocket engines have been described as bombs with holes in the bottom. But one advantage they have over a normal explosive is that a large portion of their energy is transfered backwards, giving a large portion to forward motion. A bomb explodes in 3 dimensions. As such, any bomb would have to be larger and more expensive then the earlier idea to put a rocket on the asteroid. The bomb would also have to be on the bottem or back of the asteroid (to push it to a higher orbit) and would still send many fragments raining through orbit and down to Earth.

The teather, being a giant string and attached to the Earth, would not gain much energy from an explosion (and would be considerably difficult to push with a rocket).

Origionaly, the explosive idea was to destroy the asteroid and ribbon (a subject I have talked about in many posts in this and the other thread).
Taka
22-11-2003, 00:42
((OOC: that'll teach me to simply skim the fine print. . . sorry bout that, are you going to respond to that first reply IC?))
Slagkattunger
22-11-2003, 02:33
ooc:- Ok I've removed the bit about not posting any ooc comments here. Wazzu I ask that you re-read the original post in the first thread, it seems to me that you might of missed a point

<snip> Now, imagine that the ball is put into perpetual spin around the pole, so fast that it keeps the rope taut. This is generally how a space elevator would work. The weight at the end of the cable spins around the Earth, keeping the cable taut. The spacecraft would simply ride up the cable as a train rolls over tracks. <snip>

As you can see it says the cable will have to be taut, also the material used would have to be strong enough to withstand the stress of this.
Wazzu
22-11-2003, 03:13
ooc:- Ok I've removed the bit about not posting any ooc comments here. Wazzu I ask that you re-read the original post in the first thread, it seems to me that you might of missed a point

<snip> Now, imagine that the ball is put into perpetual spin around the pole, so fast that it keeps the rope taut. This is generally how a space elevator would work. The weight at the end of the cable spins around the Earth, keeping the cable taut. The spacecraft would simply ride up the cable as a train rolls over tracks. <snip>

As you can see it says the cable will have to be taut, also the material used would have to be strong enough to withstand the stress of this.

OOC: 100,000km of string over a distance of 32,000km is anything but taut.

Tonight is my little brothers 21st birthday. Party is tomorrow night, smaller family celebration is tonight. But I do fully intend to tell you just how much force your little elevator is going to produce.

Still, I need to know the mass/size of the asteroid, and the diameter of your ribbon/teather/whatever.
Slagkattunger
22-11-2003, 05:38
ooc:- How the hell do I know? I'm not a scientist I just copied an explaination of the space elevator of the web, Edited to make it like it was comming from my nation.

I didn't expect someone trying to make it undoable because they think it won't work, I was doing it to have an RP access to space without using spaceships/ shuttles. They (shuttle etc) are not safe no matter what people think, something can go wrong & they burn up on re-entry while the lift removed the danger of re-entry.

I can't understand why you cannot accept the structure for what it is...a story item that allows my nation safe access to space without using anti-gravity devices or spaceships.
Wazzu
22-11-2003, 19:09
OOC: Because this is a story device and this is a story. The story right now is that some other nations (Wazzu especially) think this structure represents a global threat (and not one that can be held back by avoiding pushing a button...if built, it could come down at any time).

I don't know why you can't realize this is the first story with your elevator, the first challenge your nation must overcome.
Western Might
23-11-2003, 00:38
Western Might sees the danger in building such a machine. But we also see with enough design changes and with cautions taken, that it could be quiet safe. If only Slagkattunger would be willing to take the advice of others.
Slagkattunger
23-11-2003, 02:49
Western Might sees the danger in building such a machine. But we also see with enough design changes and with cautions taken, that it could be quiet safe. If only Slagkattunger would be willing to take the advice of others.

"We have asked for advice on how to improve safety!! All we get in return is shut it down, we get the feeling that those who critisize are only doing so because they are envious because they won't offer us suggestion on how to make it safer in their view. Envious because we know it's safe and have moved ahead with it, while they are held back by the nahsayers who only have mathematical models to show it won't work. We on the other hand have experimented with actual objects as part of the research into developing this, our research show's that the nahsayers have placed to much enphisis on numbers and not on reality which oftens defies their numbers.

So we say again provide us with the mesures to make it more safer in your eyes, or remaind silent and passive while we build the Space Elevator."

Oooc:- Wazzu I have no problems storywise, its OOC science that I don't like being hit with...I am no scientist, enginneer or whatever is relevent to making a space elevator (other than dreamer).
Western Might
23-11-2003, 07:51
Wm technitions have looked area of your design for the elivator itself. Though the metal it will be made of seems flexible enough the length of it seems to long to be taunt. As Wazzu has mentioned earlier. Shorten it to say 48,000 to 64,000 km.