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I just had an idea! :shock:

What if there was a "Learn NS" Thread where newbs (not n00bs) got to RP out their first RP with Veteran RPers who would teach them the ropes. The effect would be like a War-Game RP, with no real effects, but it would give the newbs hands-on experience without de-railing an established RP.

Any comments, suggestions, or bitch slaps?

I just had an idea! :shock:

What if there was a "Learn NS" Thread where newbs (not n00bs) got to RP out their first RP with Veteran RPers who would teach them the ropes. The effect would be like a War-Game RP, with no real effects, but it would give the newbs hands-on experience without de-railing an established RP.

Any comments, suggestions, or bitch slaps?

Good idea.

War isn't exactly the best RP topic...I'd go more for characterization

Agreed, SB. A little of everything under a crisis scenario?

(It would be a fixed scenario, recycling itself every two weeks or so... at least, that's my idea.)

BTW: I am Kaukolastan and too lazy to re-loggin.

Perhaps I should start this...

not tonight though...

I wonder if we could get Mod sponsorship?

I wonder if we could get Mod sponsorship?

Mods don't regulate RP

Not for that, but as almost a forum tutorial, like in most games.

I like this idea. We could run CO-RP tutorials, war tutorials and all the other kinds. It would make the RPing experience better all around.

Sounds like a good idea.

What happened to the NS university? Wasn't it supposed to fill this role? Don't get me wrong, the idea is great but I thought it was already being done somewhere.

I never saw it when I came in. I just waltzed blindly into the forums. Fortunately, I read the FAQs and had RP'd many a time before, so I wasn't lost. But for a lot of people, the FAQ doesn't cut it, and they're overwhelmed by their first RP. This would ease them in.

If the University does this, then perhaps it could be made more obvious?

No one I know ever saw it.

Very good idea. I would like to help out any way I can. I remember being new and not knowing what to do. Not know what OOC and IC meant. I think using characters and development of them would help more than a war RP. In fact I still have loads to learn, but let me help to. I think even the veterans will learn something also.

I'd be willing to help out, having quite a bit of experience in RPing.

Well, this seems to be a hit, so how about some ideas on what the scenario will be, how it will work, and other broad concepts. We'll hammer out details later. If anyone (esp. myself) starts getting too specific, someone just declare "broad!" or something like that.

Sadly, the original NS University (formed after the WMNK disbanded) started off well, but kinda peetered out because both founding mebers of the NSU (myself and Slag) became mods x_x

I think Stephistan and Wolfish run the Roleplay University though.

Maybe it should start out broad, then become specific. I think teachers did it best starting easy then getter harder. Agree?

Sadly, the original NS University (formed after the WMNK disbanded) started off well, but kinda peetered out because both founding mebers of the NSU (myself and Slag) became mods x_x

I think Stephistan and Wolfish run the Roleplay University though.
Is there a way to make this more obvious to new players? And how does it run? Like we mentioned, or in another fashion?

Thanks.

Maybe it should start out broad, then become specific. I think teachers did it best starting easy then getter harder. Agree?
Perfect agreement.

So, what we need is at least some sort of plot to provide for them and then have them build their characters into it. Any ideas?

Well, I'd say Modern Tech setting, b/c that's the easiest for the majority. And no magic, at least right away.

sounds good

Ok, the scenario... something that can go any way, really, but not into the lands of nookage.

And the "demi-mods" running the RP that day would have to understand that these are all newbs, and be willing to accept more than average idiocy.

Hahaha. That is funny. Well, let me sleep on it. I am going to go to bed I have class at 8 and it is 1230 already. I will see tomorrow morning what has been developed. Nice writing with you. Good night.

Thanks. Good night.

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Couldn't you give them several (NS) Senarios in levels that are easy in the beginning and grow tougher at the end of the training.

Possible Example

Lesson 1) Handling Diplomacy
Lesson 2)Attacking a country with 200,000 soldiers(Attacker) vs 50,000 (Defender) soldiers.
Lesson 3) Defending a country with 150,000 soldiers(Defender) against 100,000 soldiers(Attacker)
Lesson 4) Spec Op's mission to assassinate a president\dictator\king
Lesson 5) Defending a attack by a opponent with the same forces as you
Lesson 6) Attacking a opponent with the same forces as you
Lesson 7) Defending against a opponent that has more forces than you
Graduation) Fighting a multi-allied war

From
1st Perspective
3rd Perspective
Narrative Perspective

What do you think :? :? :roll: :roll:

Watertest, I like the escalating idea. However, I'd put some pure character developement stuff in first, because that is the wealest part of most RPs I've seen. Then we can avoid the "I send 1000000000 tanks at you! I have more! I win!" style of war, by getting them used to the idea of real charas and situations.

And maybe, a war against someone outside your tech level, just in case.

Watertest, I like the escalating idea. However, I'd put some pure character developement stuff in first, because that is the wealest part of most RPs I've seen. Then we can avoid the "I send 1000000000 tanks at you! I have more! I win!" style of war, by getting them used to the idea of real charas and situations.

And maybe, a war against someone outside your tech level, just in case.

You could teach how to defend against a opponent that is more advanced than you........ but I don't like RPing with someone 10 years more advanced then me, because of their, speed of light, uber hightech, more guns in one destroyer than half of your military combinded, that could kill half of the population of the world without breaking a sweat, armada of 1,000 space destroyers.

(By the way 1st and 3rd point perspective would teach them to develop their character.)

Personally, I agree, but it happens, and if someone DOES want to fight it rather than IGNORE it, there are ways to do so... providing the opponent isn't going overboard with techwanking.

One more concept to put before the forum... How do we get newbies to see and come to this forum?

Personally, I agree, but it happens, and if someone DOES want to fight it rather than IGNORE it, there are ways to do so... providing the opponent isn't going overboard with techwanking.

One more concept to put before the forum... How do we get newbies to see and come to this forum?
Add it to one of the stickies.

Here's my idea for a first scenario --> some sort of personal level RP, with several newbs and a scattering of veterans. They are working together against an NPC or maybe against each other (split the veterans). The Vets will both lead by example of how to RP and by explaining. People would be allowed to change mistakes, unlike in real RP, but when a rule is broken, it should be explained calmly and nicely. The vets would be teachers here, not police officers. However, if a player gets horribly out of hand, they would still be ejected.

The plot itself, I dunno... I think fighting should be allowed, but it shouldn't be inevitable. Personally, I'd rather see this as an RP of individuals, not individuals representing nations, just to keep it simple and keep nationalism out of the equation.

Later semi-RPs would expand it to diplomacy.

Comments, suggestions, completely different ideas?

Sounds like you've got a pretty good idea going. NSU was based around 'courses' taught by vets on diplomacy, war, trade, tech development, and so on, but it didn't quite take off long enough for the 'graduate' course, which would have been a full-scale RP among the grads-to-be.

I'd recommend digging through the forums for some examples of 'good' roleplays- the Amerigan Slave War is often cited as a shining example of a good war, or more recently, there's the Iraqstan civil war, the Slaglandic Dig and it's assorted threads... Give newer players some examples to read through to get an idea for RPing other than "I send 1,000 tanks!" "Well I bomb your tanks with 1,000 bombs!"

Thank you. Okay, so then, links to "Good" RPs, and probably to "Bad" ones as well, to show what can go horribly wrong. The Actualy RP: Any ideas?

Maybe let each of the instructors come up with an RP idea on their own, geared to the strengths and weaknesses of the new person?

That would be excellent, but where would we get people who would consistently write up RPs for indefinate lengths of time? I was trying to cook up a "formula" RP that could just loop every couple of weeks (minimum maintenance). If people are willing to do this, though, it would be good.

Well, I (Kaukolastan/TRSN) must call it a night. Please continue to discuss and cook up ideas for tomorrow. Keep this thing rolling for me, would you?

I shall return tomorrow.

Yeah, well it wouldn't be for an indefinite length of time. Maybe just a few pages long, then you could recycle it if you needed to.

Or if they will enter and leave in groups, you could character RP a 'graduation' from the school?

G'Night dude!

bump for morning groupt to see and discuss. I'm going to class.

Any other comments?

I made an InvisionFree forum once. One of the options was to make a forum where only the people you wanted to post could go. We could make a "bonified RPer" class, worthy of a picture on your nation page, with those RPers willing to give of their time to help the NTANTU nations get better, and only allowed bonified RPers into the "real RP" forum.
Sorry, that thought got mixed up and produced the least grammatical sentence I've ever posted here.

What happened to the NS university? Wasn't it supposed to fill this role? Don't get me wrong, the idea is great but I thought it was already being done somewhere.

I was the co-dean...it died...

Waaaay too many people applied...and it was effecting my RL

So, what does everyone think? How are we going to start this out? I think there should be a small problem everyone could partake in. Maybe an epidemic illness, or an earthquake. Something like that.