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The Empire of Reniban has come up with an agreed upon idea with itself. What if nations were to join together to create a region based upon the political system described in "Dune"? There could be 13 ruling nations, with one nation as the executive figure, whom the 13 would vote up as one of their number. Then, younger nations could owe allegiance to the oldest (13) nations, like counts to dukes. Then, in exterior wars, the older nations could regulate the younger nations if they get out of hand, and internally the wars would be easier to fight, since there would be no outside interference. If all the nations are space nations, each nation could control one planet, or maybe one system. If all the nations are Star Wars nations the wars will be easy to fight because everyone knows the firepower available, and there could be a specific location of where the region would be located. Is anyone interested?

That's a great idea!!! I would definitely join!!!

Thats great :D ! don't forget about this or you'll probably be suprised when you get a telegram from Reniban asking you to move to a new region.

okay... If I do get the message, I'll send one of my Dune puppet nations...

Simply Brilliant! You've won me over!

But i have one suggestion.

13 ruling nations is perhaps a little to much. I'd say about 5/7 realistically. Then the chance of ruling nations bickering is drastically reduced.

he's trying to keep it like Dune...

In Dune, there is Landsraad, CHOAM, and the Spacing Guide, jocking for power, with the Emperor above them...

Yeah. I can see it now.

News Flash!
Palpatine argues with Duke Atredis(sp?) over whether Dune is Tatooine or not! :P

*Has another thought*

And if it wasn't space, just modern, it would be open to alot of other people and your ruling idea will allow it to be run properly.

I know i've kinda ripped your origional idea to shreads but i'm just added potential. Feel free to throw my ideas back in my face.

It happen enough in Technical :wink:

Trix

interesting idea...

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*Has another thought*

And if it wasn't space, just modern, it would be open to alot of other people and your ruling idea will allow it to be run properly.

I know i've kinda ripped your origional idea to shreads but i'm just added potential. Feel free to throw my ideas back in my face.

It happen enough in Technical :wink:

Trix
the only problem that i have with that is that i wanted the nations to have star wars capablities since i'm not really familiar with much other space weaponery.+ little continential mayors could finance some small fleet to keep their resident nations in line.

Hey! My post was deleted! Im not an ex-nation!

Hey! My post was deleted! Im not an ex-nation!
it happens occationally

okay... If I do get the message, I'll send one of my Dune puppet nations...
they are rather aged right? with large populations? :?:

so the chain of power would go something like this:
station in region/ population
1 elected 'emperor' from the next set/ (>1b)
5-7 system duke(sses)/baron(esses)/lord(lady)/ (>1b)
3-5 planetary governers per system lord / (500-1b)
2-4 contental mayors per planet / (100-500m)
3-5 resident nations per continent / (<100m)

that would be how it would start, then naturally the populations increase. if every nation had to support their leader, then a war after a month in the region would be devastating to opposing forces. To restrict power, each station can only affect those nations directly under it. a system duke can't tell a resident what to do, only one of his planetary governers. like in the feudal ages, the nations will have loyalty to the next caste up only. Is there anything that I have forgotten?

Let me check... They're medium to small sized nations...

Swordmasters of Ginaz--391 million

The Lost Atreides--397 million

House Ecaz--355 million

Modbomb:

so the chain of power would go something like this:
station in region population
1 elected 'emperor' from the next set (1b-1.5b)
5-7 system duke(sses)/baron(esses)/lord(lady) (1b-1.5b)
3-5 planetary governers per system lord (500-1b)
2-4 contental mayors per planet (100-500m)
3-5 resident nations per continent (<100m)

that would be how it would start, then naturally the populations increase. if every nation had to support their leader, then a war after a month in the region would be devastating to opposing forces. To restrict power, each station can only affect those nations directly under it. a system duke can't tell a resident what to do, only one of his planetary governers. like in the feudal ages, the nations will have loyalty to the next caste up only. Is there anything that I have forgotten?

OOC: I think the ranks are great... Can't wait to get to become a duke...

so the chain of power would go something like this:
station in region population
1 elected 'emperor' from the next set (1b-1.5b)
5-7 system duke(sses)/baron(esses)/lord(lady) (1b-1.5b)
3-5 planetary governers per system lord (500-1b)
2-4 contental mayors per planet (100-500m)
3-5 resident nations per continent (<100m)

that would be how it would start, then naturally the populations increase. if every nation had to support their leader, then a war after a month in the region would be devastating to opposing forces. To restrict power, each station can only affect those nations directly under it. a system duke can't tell a resident what to do, only one of his planetary governers. like in the feudal ages, the nations will have loyalty to the next caste up only. Is there anything that I have forgotten?

OOC: I think the ranks are great... Can't wait to get to become a duke...
you would have to use your main nation for that. a dukal nations requires at least 1billion.

I know that... But my main nation is only 898 million...

that is a problem. :?

besides, this had better take at least 3 more days or i won't qualify for a planetary governer.

I need 15 days to become a billion nation...

would anyone mind posting it on their regional board to get more nations interested? its really hard to find this on the forum ya know.

I need 15 days to become a billion nation...
at the rate that this this is going, you'll have 3 weeks. it's taken me 2 weeks to get anyone interested in this at all.

Reniban. If we RP it we may get more interested faster.

Have you made the region yet?

Also:

1 elected 'emperor' from the next set/ (>1b)
5-7 system duke(sses)/baron(esses)/lord(lady)/ (>1b)
3-5 planetary governers per system lord / (500-1b)
2-4 contental mayors per planet / (100-500m)
3-5 resident nations per continent / (<100m)

This chain of command. Does it branch out?
Because the minumum would be alot!

Reniban. If we RP it we may get more interested faster.

Have you made the region yet?

Also:

1 elected 'emperor' from the next set/ (>1b)
5-7 system duke(sses)/baron(esses)/lord(lady)/ (>1b)
3-5 planetary governers per system lord / (500-1b)
2-4 contental mayors per planet / (100-500m)
3-5 resident nations per continent / (<100m)

This chain of command. Does it branch out?
Because the minumum would be alot!
no i haven't made the region yet. what do you mean by "branch out"?

Well if you have 1 grand leader. And he has 5-7 dukes. And each of those dukes has 3-5 planetary governers and each of those has 2-4 contental mayors and each of those has 3-5 resident nations.

We have alot of nations!

thats true... but what else is there to do? any less and the region isn't structured enough. you need the really big nations to keep the slightly smaller ones in line, who, in turn, are needed to keep the even smaller nations in line, then you need them if you wanted to bring n00b friends into the region. the quintessence of complexity...

ok. when you take the miminum # of nations currently necessary... 5x3x2x3=90! great... ok people, think of ways to shave of some of these #'s!

Well i'd say just trim off some ranks.

Have this:

1 Grand leader (voted for)
5 'Dukes' (like the P5)
(These 6 nations will always be here. So you can vote for which of the 6 you want to lead the region. But they always have the 'power' of leading their 5th of the region. Or in the Grand Leaders case, the whole region )
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And then each duke has 1 'second-in-command' to be there for them.
And then there is a 3rd in command. (pick a name)
And then the rest. The nations that wish to be part of the glorius region!
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Now to be fair, if a nation is a very good nation, it can be promoted to a 2nd/3rd in command. Then if they are better than the P6. They can take the place of one of the Dukes. This must be carfully considered though.

That'll give us 16 'ranks' and the rest can be normal, entry level nations.

Much less compicated.

how about the grand leader is one of the 5 dukes? that way their can't be a tie if we want to remove the grand leader. and then maybe each of the lower comanders gets a planet or part of a fleet or something.

how about the grand leader is one of the 5 dukes? .

Well he is one of the six..

that way their can't be a tie if we want to remove the grand leader.

Ah! I see. Thats a good idea :wink:

and then maybe each of the lower comanders gets a planet or part of a fleet or something.

Yep. A planet or an fleet. To keep it real you could split the region into segments or areas. So each one runs a different area of the region. Its up to you.

how about the grand leader is one of the 5 dukes? .

Well he is one of the six..

that way their can't be a tie if we want to remove the grand leader.

Ah! I see. Thats a good idea :wink:

and then maybe each of the lower comanders gets a planet or part of a fleet or something.

Yep. A planet or an fleet. To keep it real you could split the region into segments or areas. So each one runs a different area of the region. Its up to you.
have each of the 5 dukes split it between them. then they can hand out the morsels how they choose. we might get some interesting developments that way.

If you want i could try and rouse interest in it and do the organising. And you'd get a part-of-honour in the region, instant Dukeship :wink:

I may have to make it more modern tho to attract more nations.

But if you don't want me to thats kewl. Its your call.

have each of the 5 dukes split it between them. then they can hand out the morsels how they choose. we might get some interesting developments that way.

Its very possible we will.

We could get some 'cold' dukes and some 'kind' ones. Its got great potential :D

should one of us create the region now, or should we wait until we have every one that we will need to get started? +some one should state what they think this region is going to consist of and the chain of command so that we get that out of our system before we all move in.

Well what should we call it?

The chain of command.

1 Grand Leader
4 Other Dukes
(Voted monthly)

4 2nd in commands
(chosen by their duke)

All other nations.

When a nation joins the region. They can choose which duke they go under, to be morally fair. Or they are allocated, to be totally fair.

We can both make recruitment threads but i suggest we make the region soon because nations like joining regions that exist.

Well what should we call it?

The chain of command.

1 Grand Leader
4 Other Dukes
(Voted monthly)

4 2nd in commands
(chosen by their duke)

All other nations.

When a nation joins the region. They can choose which duke they go under, to be morally fair. Or they are allocated, to be totally fair.

We can both make recruitment threads but i suggest we make the region soon because nations like joining regions that exist.
good, except, the dukes should be permanant, and the grand leader should only have to go through an election when 2 dukes have feasible complaints against the grand leader. and the gl only needs a majority to stay in command. and also, the other nations that join should be under the command of the 2nd in commands.

good, except, the dukes should be permanant,
They are. I put the (voted monthly bit in the wrong place :oops: )

, and the grand leader should only have to go through an election when 2 dukes have feasible complaints against the grand leader. and the gl only needs a majority to stay in command.

Kewl.

and also, the other nations that join should be under the command of the 2nd in commands.

Very well. But Dukes have the right to demote the 2nd in command if they get power hungery etc...

Very well. But Dukes have the right to demote the 2nd in command if they get power hungery etc...
and in turn replace them with an acceptable resident nation. ok, whose going to create the region, and what's its name going to be?

I'll do it... My puppet once created the Known Imperium, but nobody went there, so my puppet left...

Done!

It's called ''The New Imperium'' i think thats a fitting name!

Reniban, you are the Grand Leader for the 1st month as this is your brainchild :D

But i need a blurb for the region description!
Post it here if ya can.

And i need 4 regions for the others Dukes to rule over. But they can choose them.

I'd say we need:
Sea.
Forest.
Desert.
Snow. I'll take this one!!

And the 1st 3 three to get accepted get dukeshps to fill in the roles.

Kewl 8)

I would be happy to join as a token Imperial Nation.
[I'm Gurguvungunit's puppet]

Have Insane Stormtroopers be a duke. puppets get everything right the first time! :D

And i need 4 regions for the others Dukes to rule over. But they can choose them.

by region, do you mean create a region, or have a sub-region inside a game reconginized region?

And i need 4 regions for the others Dukes to rule over. But they can choose them.

by region, do you mean create a region, or have a sub-region inside a game reconginized region?

Sub-Region for now. But if this really takes of, we may grow..

Let me check... They're medium to small sized nations...

Swordmasters of Ginaz--391 million

The Lost Atreides--397 million

House Ecaz--355 million

House Harkonnen: 590 million

House Corrino: A lot more, we're talking billions here.

House Grumman:... Not sure, really.

House <starts with R... can't remember...>: 400 million

House Vernius: Depends. Just Ixians would be 100 million, if that, adding suboids...

Also, we should have the Bene Gesserit, too.

Lots of intelligent things...


How do you know sooo much?!?

*Looks in awe*

Lots of intelligent things...


How do you know sooo much?!?

*Looks in awe*

It's because I'm a member of the Borgeois (sp? Never could do French), and you are a Proletariat.

That, and I like the books.

Lots of intelligent things...


How do you know sooo much?!?

*Looks in awe*

It's because I'm a member of the Borgeois (sp? Never could do French), and you are a Proletariat.

That, and I like the books.
borgeoisie

Am I? Well me and my fellow Proletariatians have the power!

*Realises we don't...*

Erm... well i've got the masses on my side!! :wink:

Let me check... They're medium to small sized nations...

Swordmasters of Ginaz--391 million

The Lost Atreides--397 million

House Ecaz--355 million

House Harkonnen: 590 million

House Corrino: A lot more, we're talking billions here.

House Grumman:... Not sure, really.

House <starts with R... can't remember...>: 400 million

House Vernius: Depends. Just Ixians would be 100 million, if that, adding suboids...

Also, we should have the Bene Gesserit, too.
do you mind helping by contributing nations?