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Here here! Time to start a thread.

Lest we not forget, Weasels everywhere need protecting. PROTECT THEM ALL! :evil:

Well, this wasn't very easy to find, but certainly it works better than using the 10-message board in the region.

So, anyway, the Disputed Territories of New bruno ask for your support as Regional United Nations delegate! :D

Of course, you need to apply to join the UN first...

The Disputed Territories of New bruno

So, anyway, the Disputed Territories of New bruno ask for your support as Regional United Nations delegate!

This is Foreign Minister Andrew Galah. We have just telegrammed our endorsement to the government of New bruno.

Once the regional membership has settled in, I suggest we begin development of our regional issues platform. I assume we are all out actively recruiting new nations to join MTCD.

Lest we not forget, Weasels everywhere need protecting.

Let it be known that the government of Cacatua Alba is strongly in favor of actions to protect the environment and all its inhabitants. There is only one planet Earth and we must be diligent custodians of its wealth and treasures.

Andrew Galah (for President Schnee)

As an environmentally stunning nation, The Disputed Territories of New bruno are willing to consider environmental resolutions, including those favoring Weasels.

The Heretofore Chaotic Government of the Disputed Territories of New bruno

The Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia sees no need for the United Nations. We are sufficiently capable of doing whatever we damn well please, and you can't stop us :twisted:

Looks like we've got an old fashioned brawl brewing. Being a "brawl", New bruno might have the edge, but I think the crafty, and "cheesy" Sandwich Weasel may have a thing or two up their sleeves.

Let's see you duke it out, boys. I am unaligned as of yet, nor am I inclined to toss my hat in the ring (or toss my cookies either, for that matter)

Oh, and Lutra Lutra, while not belonging to the UN, is fully aligned with Whax, and the two countries will colloborate on the Whax's vote for region delegate.

Considering that the Disputed Territories of New bruno have already gained the support of West Cheese Sandwich, I see no reason for you to dally any longer 8)

The Disputed Territories of New bruno are proud to announce a loose alliance with the Jingoistic States of Anksiety and the Incorporated States of Nrkey.

Efforts to bring the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia and the Grand Duchy of Blue Lemons were promptly rebuffed.

There are rumors of an alliance on the horizon of the soon-to-be-formed Lesser Elbonian nation.

The Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia is pleased to join the New bruno coalition

The Disputed Territories of New bruno proudly claim the endorsements of West Cheese Sandwich, Cacatua Alba and Elwoodsr :D

Whax has a population of 6 million, but only a 7% tax rate. We be Po'!

Our barren landscape doesn't bode well for tourism, and our largest export, woven baskets, doesn't really garner much on the open market. Our number one priority in Whax is health care. Lutra Lutra is a very environmentally conscious nation. THey SHOULD have some funds with a ridiculous tax rate of 44% on their population of 5 million. However, the anti-business (and anti-capitalist) mind-set of those folks leads to a lackadaisacal tax collection procedure. In fact, Lutra Lutra has a gigantic 6 billion dollar deficit. And, now they're telling us they have all the woven baskets they could ever need.

I guess, what I'm saying is that our vote for region delegate can be bought, but you also need to be extra nice to my otter pals in Lutra Lutra, and help their debt. Certainly either New bruno or West Cheese Sandwich has some pork barrel funding to share with the class as well as UN support for Health Care and the Environment?

What, Cheese Sandwich has already endorsed New bruno? What's up with that, Head Cheese? You want it or not? And give me some money either way!

The Disputed Territories of New bruno Department of Trade has sent telegrams to most of the countries within the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death region. There seem to be more than a few countries whose markets are government controlled, and apparently closed, so we had no offers to extend to those countries. We are open to discussions, however.

MTCofD currently have four UN members, all of whom are supporting New bruno. Time may tell (meaning tomorrow or later today) how many other UN nations we have, but right now New bruno has a monopoly of support. I say someone needs to rise to that challenge. I had thought Head Cheese was worthy, but he gave support to his opponent.

Someone else needs to jump in here. I'd try to convince Whax to take a whack (so to speak), but their economy is too weak to withstand such divided interests were they to become UN rep.

Perhaps the States of Whac will consider UN admission and step up to the plate? Or Yeaglestania? Or maybe the Head Cheese will get up to bat with bases loaded, 2 outs, bottom of the ninth, down by 3 and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat?

New bruno must not run unopposed. Are we a dictatorship region? Hell no, too many pansy centrist democracies for that. Nevermind our stance on compulsory voting, we're inclined to support a good electoral race over a rubberstamp proceeding.

I found the thread.

We are constructing a true an-archic state, or so it goes according to Kropotkin. Don't try and stop us.

We have infiltrated everywhere.

I'd try to convince Whax to take a whack (so to speak), but their economy is too weak to withstand such divided interests were they to become UN rep.

Yes, despite the illusion that we have a "strong" economy, the basket weaving industry has taken a serious hit ever since the Great Fires of Wicker Valley wiped out most of our resources. We are quite unable to focus much on international interests presently as our main priority is the health and well-being of our own citizens.

The Jingoistic States of Anksiety are willing to open trade channels with all! Our strong automobile industry, as well as cheese production and book publishing, make us a partner with whom you want to trade! Plus, the pagliaro is trading strongly these days.

The Grand Duchy of Blue Lemons is willing to enter negotiations with other countries. Our coopie is strong on the world market. Our interest rates are moderate....just don't be late with your payments :evil:

The Republic of Ashtonius has yet to cast their endorsement for United Nations representative.

New bruno must not run unopposed. Are we a dictatorship region?

We do not look at this as fostering a dictatorship, but instead as reasonable action for a new region, looking for stability and credibility. There is no place for regional infighting in our infancy. A moderate, centrist government as our representative makes sense at this time.

That being said, what is granted in the short term must be earned in the long term.

Foreign Minister Andrew Galah

No doubt, the political winds can change daily, so nothing is taken for granted. Use the wrong utensil at a state dinner, and the whole thing could be down the crapper.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno are preparing trade delegations to visit the Fiefdom of Elwoodsr and the Allied States of Whax (not to be confused with the Allied States of Whac).

The government of the Disputed Territories of New bruno is pushing to remove the current restraints on campaign finance, and to reduce the taxes that currently burden our population.

By allowing large corporations to make donations to various political causes and candidates, we expect that the people will be helped to make better choices in the elections.

And a 30% base tax rate is entirely too high. The citizens of the Disputed Territories of New bruno should be allowed to retain more of their income. With this influx of take-hom pay, folks are more likely to..oh my gosh! I think I've just ruined the furniture restoration industry!

Perhaps it's time for the government to reconsider this position... :?

Spurred by negotiations with the Allied States of Whac, the Disputed Territories of New bruno wish to enter into a Free Trade pact with the various members of the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death region.

Trade representatives from the Disputed Territories of New bruno are en route to the Allied States of Whac to complete a free trade agreement between the two countries.

Willie MacPherson, spokesman for the Disputed Territories of New bruno, called this "a landmark agreement that will impact the way that all nations of the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death conduct business."

Rumors are rampant that a deal between the Disputed Territories of New bruno and the People's Republic of West Cheese Sandwich is imminent.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno and the The Holy Empire of Cacatua Alba have agreed in principle to a free trade agreement. Arragements are being made to finalize this treaty.

The Incorporated States of Nrkey are willing to enter a free trade pact, but our industries are heavily regulated. Trade negotiations are tough but fair.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno and the The Holy Empire of Cacatua Alba have agreed in principle to a free trade agreement. Arragements are being made to finalize this treaty.

The Holy Empire of Cacatua Alba strongly supports the creation of a Free Trade zone. This a world economy. Barriers to free trade only harm all nations and their peoples.

Andrew Galah, Foreign Minister

The Allied State of Whac is prepared to enter into a free trade agreement with any other nation, particularly those within the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death Region.

However, imports from any foreign industry which receives goverment subsidies will be tariffed in the interest of a preserving level playing field. Such tariffs are not intended to be punitive in nature, only adequate to counteract the unfair competitive advantage gained by receiving subsidies.

As for the issue of the United Nations, the possibility of joining is still under review at the upper levels of our gevernment. The ASW has reviewed existing UN legislation, and finds most of it to be acceptable. however there are a few UN positions which the ASW does not concur with.

If the ASW does indeed join the UN, we will almost certainly support The Disputed Territories of New Bruno as our regional UN representative, given the leading role that nation has taken in the development of the region.

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

The Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia has received intelligence reports that the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia expects to conduct war games near the Elbonia demilitarized zone in the coming days. The Greater Elbonia military is among the largest in the region, and the Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia would be no match were Greater Elbonia to attack.

We seek the help of our neighbor countries to assist in the defense of the Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia.

However, imports from any foreign industry which receives goverment subsidies will be tariffed in the interest of a preserving level playing field. Such tariffs are not intended to be punitive in nature, only adequate to counteract the unfair competitive advantage gained by receiving subsidies.

Our Free Trade Zone should prohibit any government subsidies to industries. Any tariff, no matter its intent stifles commerce. A company should compete in the world market based on its own abilities and merit.

Andrew Galah, Foreign Minister

As for the issue of the United Nations, the possibility of joining is still under review at the upper levels of our gevernment. The ASW has reviewed existing UN legislation, and finds most of it to be acceptable. However there are a few UN positions which the ASW does not concur with.
Mr. Truethorpe

I encourage your government to submit an application to join the UN. We too are at odds with some of the positions taken by the UN, however the only way to work for positive change is to work from within. A strong regional UN presence is a good beginning.

My ministry is at your service if we can be of any assistance as well as for conferring regarding the drafting of future resolutions for UN consideration.

Respectfully yours,

Andrew Galah
Foreign Minister

I found the thread.

We are constructing a true an-archic state, or so it goes according to Kropotkin. Don't try and stop us.

We have infiltrated everywhere.

Jedi Knights seek out and expel Morissian spies. How do you like that, sucka! :P :P

The Free Land of New Wyoming wishes to inform the member states of MTCoD that it is working quickly to establish a true tax-free zone and to ensure that it is solely property rights and the defense of the individual that will be overseen by the government.

We are especially keen to ensure that your rights are safeguarded and we have the ordinance to sell that will guarantee that.

The Allied States of Whax are quite willing to enter into free trade agreement. However, we vehemently disagree with tarriffs of ANY kind at this early stage of negotiations. Our finances are not as good as other nations might think (note earlier posts concerning our tragic fire several months ago). Our population is small and we have not much to offer in trade.

However, we have dispatched a reconnaissance mission to our more uninhabital regions of barren, rocky terrain. Recently, a nomadic native Whaxian presented what appears to be evidence of an ancient mining colony deep in the rocky dessert. The ore appears to be that of opals or rhinestones. Personally, we're hoping it's opal, but if it turns out to be rhinestone, we will author resolution to bring back disco.

We are most optimistic that our current financial hardship could be turned around post haste, but the journey to the dessert is most arduous, and only time will tell. We predict that we will hear back in 1 to 2 weeks about the success or failure of this mission.

We are also worried about the possibility of a gem strike making us vulnerable to outside attack. However, we make known the possibility of such a discovery, at some great risk to vulnerability, to at least assure our sister nations that we hope to be more financially stable soon.

Secretary of the Interior, Veer Inzide (edited by Communication Minister Canu Heerme)

Allied State of Whax is also giving serious consideration to raising the tax rate from the current measly 7%. A move to a 10% rate would seem reasonable, and we will institute a national property tax system that will benefit both public education as well as government funding.

A national lottery is also being floated around the parliamentary chambers, but it's not gaining much momentum.

New bruno adds its recommendation that all countries consider applying for membership in the United Nations. No organization is perfect, and there is strength in numbers. The larger our region becomes, and the more member countries become members of the United Nations, the easier it will be for the region to have an impact upon the world.

The Most Serene Republic of Lutra Lutra also highly endorses UN membership. Though, as an independent republic of The Allied States of Whax, we are not permitted membership, we fully support Whax in it's admission to the UN. Understandably, many MTCofD nations are in the same predicament as Lutra Lutra, but It would be in our regions best interest to have all stand-alone nations to join the UN.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno have accepted the endorsement of the Allied States of Whax.

On an equally serious note, it has come to the attention of the New bruno intelligence department that the Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia is negotiating an arms purchase with one of the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death member countries.

For those who aren't familiar with the Elbonian conflict, it dates back centuries.


In the mid-1700's, Grand Garcon Emil Forluxtudo was the ruler of all of Elbonia. Emil was the eldest of 12 children born to Calufio Forluxtudo. The Forluxtudo clan claims to have founded Elbonia in 34 BC, and had lead the country until 1782. At the time, Elbonia measured nearly double the size of the present-day Greater and Lesser Elbonias combined. The Grand Garcon was a benevolent ruler of the Elbonian empire, with an army second to none in the region.

Emil's brother Partooka Forluxtudo was envious of his older brother's power, and caused a peasant uprising with the backing of rogue elements of the military.

Partooka was able to take the northern 2/3 of Elbonia and banished his brother to the lower 1/3 of Elbonia - moder-day Lesser Elbonia.

The Forluxtudo clan died out over a century ago, but the hatred exists even today. The two countries have had minor skirmishes all of these years, and their common border has changed on multiple occasions.

About 30 years ago, a truce of sorts was called between Greater and Lesser Elbonia, and a demilitarized zone was established as a buffer between the two.

It is not know what types of weapons the Rogue State of Greater Elbonia possesses, but it is expected that the Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia is seeking to purchase conventional weapons in its defense.

Though this is a centuries-old civil war of sorts, the recent actions of Greater Elbonia threatens the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death.

I call on our member countries to help mediate this crisis, and prevent a regional war from breaking out just as our region is beginning to form.

At the very least, Lesser Elbonia, with little to no trained army and few weapons at the moment, will require much assistance if she's to defend herself against a likely invasion by Greater Elbonia.

The future of all Elbonians rests on our shoulders.

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I call on our member countries to help mediate this crisis, and prevent a regional war from breaking out just as our region is beginning to form.

My government has authorized me to invite parties from both sides of the dispute to travel to our nation. Our President offers our hospitality and volunteers his services as mediator in an attempt to avoid any bloodshed in the hope of finding a peaceful solution to the current crisis as well as laying the groundwork for long-term mutual co-existence between The Rouge Nation of Greater Elbonia and the Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia.

At your service,

Andrew Galah, Foreign Minister

It has been brought to the attention of the Regional United Nations delegate that Cacatua Alba's children are widely acknowledged as the most foul-mouthed in the region.

It has also been noted that Greater Elbonia has outlawed elections within the country. This matter is of grave concern and will be addressed through back channels.

It has also been noted that Greater Elbonia has outlawed elections within the country. This matter is of grave concern and will be addressed through back channels.

It has also been noted that Greater Elbonia has outlawed elections within the country. This matter is of grave concern and will be addressed through back channels.

In the Dominion of Jared Ruel, a dictator has seized power and outlawed elections and elections have been outlawed.

There seems to be a movement underway in portions of the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death away from freedom and towards dictatorship. This is a trend that must be followed closely, less the entire region fall to dictators.

In trade news, the People's Republic of Kulaks' automotive industry soaks up huge government handouts. Apparently the Kulaks are not interested in a free trade agreement as has been previously discussed.

The Free Land of Morissia is less free than it used to be. In Morrissia, elections have been outlawed, and cars are banned.

These actions are troubling, especially to those countries with thriving automobile industries.

In a disturbing trend, the Protectorate of Weasels everywhere has also outlawed elections.

A regional United Nations report will be commissioned on the flagrant loss of freedoms across the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death.

West Cheese Sandwich has introduced punitive tariffs protect local industry.

Another regional UN report will be commissioned on the state of free trade.

Disturbingly, the Allied States of Whac scientists regularly clone human beings for research purposes.

The regional members of the United Nations should gather to discuss human cloning in the region, and the possibility of a UN resolution, if one does not present exist, regarding this.

The free government of New Wyoming is all for these free trade talks. We need our stuff travelling all over the place where people need it.

The habits of these kulaks and morissian anarchists are pretty disturbing to us. We'll buy the cars, but not owning cars? Some people are closer to being saved than others.

Our government doesn't care how much these alban kids swear, but we are concerned about their corporate espionage efforts by digging into goverment organization. I think we need a regional discussion on kookoocachoo and to get these unholy impiricists to mind their manners.

The government of The Most Serene Republic of Lutra Lutra is most concerned with the developments in the Elbonias. We will, of course, pledge whatever help is necessary, including mediation services in addition to those offered by Cacatua Alba.

We of the Confederacy of Vexilars are solidly behind free trade. We are especially open to foreign tourists as our Retail sector is thriving and our Pizza Delivery is second to none.

It is with great satisfaction that the Disputed Terriorties of New bruno have received the ambassador from the Fiefdom of Elwoodsr and his gift of 10 cases of soda.

New bruno is preparing to appoint an embassador to Elwoodsr, and have our craftsmen working on four of the finest oak bar stools to be given to the Fiefdom as a token of our friendship.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno recommend that the concerned nations of Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death schedule a meeting in The Holy Empire of Cacatua Alba for a conference on free trade. Attendees should the foul-mouthed children.

Disturbingly, yes it is true that human cloning for research in the Allied State of Whac is occuring regularly. A law was passed with the intention of allowing cloning and stem cell research in hopes of being able to generate replacement organs, which would greatly assist organ transplant surgery since we have a severe shortage in organ donors.

However, the law passed was either poorly writtten, or intentionally misleading to the lawmakers who voted for it. It turns out that under this law cloning of entire humans for research purposes is allowed. Frankly, with the genie now out of the bottle the ASW is uncertain how to go about getting it back in, so it looks like we are stuck with cloning for the moment.

In other news, despite some reservations, the Allied States of Whac announce they have applied for UN membership. The ASW hopes their application will be viewed favorably by the UN.

On the issue of the Elbonian dispute, the Allied States of Whac urge both sides to respect the existing international borders. Or ambassador to Lesser Elbonia believes that country has no intention of an invasaion, and merely fear an attack from it's bigger neighbor. The ASW sides with Lesser Elbonia on this issue, however, with no military force at all beyond a moderate sized police force, the ASW can offer Lesser Elbonia no military assistance.

In brighter developments, the ASW is indeed intruiged by the fact that it's similarly named neighbor, the Allied States of Wax, have been finding gemstones in their dessert. Wax is apparently more interested in the gemstones. The ASW has little interest in gemstones, but if they are removed from the desserts we may be very interested in the dessert. Whacians LOVE desserts. Perhaps a trade agreement can be made in exchanging some of our information technology for some Key Lime pie and Boston Creme Pie. Yum!

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

Our Free Trade Zone should prohibit any government subsidies to industries. Any tariff, no matter its intent stifles commerce. A company should compete in the world market based on its own abilities and merit.

Andrew Galah, Foreign Minister

The ASW agree with Mr. Galah on this subject.

But what happens if one of our trading partners subsidizes their industires or tariffs ours? The ASW sees no alternative in such an instance but to introduce a tariff to that country to allow our industries the ability to compete on an equal footing.

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

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Does anyone know what that was about? It's nice to see the NationStates Moderators were watching us newbies enough to notice that someone came in and apparently said something inappropriate.

Lest we not forget, Weasels everywhere need protecting.

Let it be known that the government of Cacatua Alba is strongly in favor of actions to protect the environment and all its inhabitants. There is only one planet Earth and we must be diligent custodians of its wealth and treasures.

Andrew Galah (for President Schnee)

The Allied States of Whac takes issue with this stance. Weasels are not a species native to our nation. They were introduced when they escaped from 18th century pirates that kept them as pets while hiding in the territory now known as ASW. Weasels have a voracious appetitie for earthworms. They are devesating to the local earthworm population, and the earthworm is Whac's national animal. Dispite continuous attempts, we have been unable to entirely exterminate the weasel population of Whac. However we have been able to keep the weasel numbers low enough to protect most earthworms.

Overall, Whac agrees with Mr. Galah's position as it applies to native species. However, the ASW feels non-native species should, in most cases, be removed to the extent practical in order to not threaten the population of native species.

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

The most troubling development of the day is in the Grand Duchy of Blue Lemons, where elections have been outlawed and college students make ends meet by selling their kidneys.

...where elections have been outlawed and college students make ends meet by selling their kidneys.

I would advise them to not do that more than once.

THE NATION OF GREATER ELBONIA, AS IS ITS SOVEREIGN RIGHT, WILL CONDUCT MILITARY EXERCISES ANYWHERE AND ANYTIME THAT IT CHOOSES WITHIN ITS BORDERS.

THE CONCERNS OF INSIGNIFICANT STATES SUCH AS LESSER ELBONIA ARE OF NO CONERN TO GREATER ELBONIA.

THE NATION OF GREATER ELBONIA HAS NO INTEREST IN SO-CALLED FREE TRADE DISCUSSIONS. THESE DISCUSSIONS ARE AN OBVIOUS RUSE MEANT TO DECEIVE THE WORLD INTO ACCEPTING SOME SORT OF NEW WORLD ORDER. THE NATION OF GREATER ELBONIA IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF CONDUCTION TRADE WITH WHICHEVER NATIONS IT CHOOSES, WITHOUT THE CONSTRAINTS OF AN OUTSIDE ORGANIZATION.

The most troubling development of the day is in the Grand Duchy of Blue Lemons, where elections have been outlawed and college students make ends meet by selling their kidneys.

This, no doubt, was in reaction to the organ shortage in the Allied States of Whac. Perhaps the human cloning there will stem the tide of college students selling their kidneys.

Overall, Whac agrees with Mr. Galah's position as it applies to native species. However, the ASW feels non-native species should, in most cases, be removed to the extent practical in order to not threaten the population of native species.

Agreed. The Jingoistic States of Anxiety have rid ourselves of both weasels and earthworms thanks in large part to our national animal, the mongoose.

Moreover, the Jingoistic States of Anxiety have no interest in supporting any resolution or agreement that disallows the slaughter of animals in order to feed the citizens of our country.

The Dominion will not stand in the way of any free trade agreement in the Region.

Rire Grist

We have plenty of beef to trade. We also have legalized euthanasia, so send us your sick and elderly and we'll put them in a sack and drown them in the river for you.

I would withdraw my vote for Bruno, but you know, he endorsed me so its an even trade.

West Cheese Sandwich rules!

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Let it be known that the Dominion does not recognize the authority of the UN and will NOT be applying for membership to that body. It serves no purpose. Rire Grist.

Frankly, it's better to endorse someone than nobody at all. 3 of our 8 members who have joined the United Nations have failed to endorse anyone!

There is a new resolution up for vote at the UN regarding trade unions. New bruno is generally in favor of trade unions and worker's rights, but would like to receive input from our member nations prior to casting a vote.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno recommend that the concerned nations of Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death schedule a meeting in The Holy Empire of Cacatua Alba for a conference on free trade. Attendees should the foul-mouthed children.

On behalf of my government, we protest the UN assertion regarding our children. The government has recently authorized a significant increase in spending on education.

Andrew Galah, FM

We of the Confederacy of Vexilars are solidly behind free trade. We are especially open to foreign tourists as our Retail sector is thriving and our Pizza Delivery is second to none.

It is interesting to note that many economies of the nations of MTCD are developing strong food services. In the future, this may be a regional strength to be leveraged.

AG.

There is a new resolution up for vote at the UN regarding trade unions. New bruno is generally in favor of trade unions and worker's rights, but would like to receive input from our member nations prior to casting a vote.

As it is currently drafted, we believe the UN proposal is too directive in granting power to labor unions. Unions have a place in our nation and my government will not take actions to prohibit their existence. However, the requirements imposed on governments if the UN resolution were to pass are too extreme. We ask our UN representative to vote against the resolution.

AG.

Overall, Whac agrees with Mr. Galah's position as it applies to native species. However, the ASW feels non-native species should, in most cases, be removed to the extent practical in order to not threaten the population of native species.

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

An excellent point Mr. Truethorpe.

AG.

In the Dominion of Jared Ruel, a dictator has seized power and outlawed elections and elections have been outlawed.

There seems to be a movement underway in portions of the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death away from freedom and towards dictatorship. This is a trend that must be followed closely, less the entire region fall to dictators.

The internal affairs of the Dominion are not your concern.

Rire Grist.


BTW, we have outlawed elections. Jared Ruel I rules the Dominion.

THE NATION OF GREATER ELBONIA, AS IS ITS SOVEREIGN RIGHT, WILL CONDUCT MILITARY EXERCISES ANYWHERE AND ANYTIME THAT IT CHOOSES WITHIN ITS BORDERS.


My nation has a strong military arms manufacturing industry. We supports any nation's right to defend itself and can aid in this cause by supplying hardware and training.

If the representative from Greater Elbonia would refrain from shouting, I am sure an agreement could be reached that would be mutually beneficial to our nations.

Rire Grist.

There is a new resolution up for vote at the UN regarding trade unions. New bruno is generally in favor of trade unions and worker's rights, but would like to receive input from our member nations prior to casting a vote.

As it is currently drafted, we believe the UN proposal is too directive in granting power to labor unions. Unions have a place in our nation and my government will not take actions to prohibit their existence. However, the requirements imposed on governments if the UN resolution were to pass are too extreme. We ask our UN representative to vote against the resolution.

AG.

While Whac has not yet been accepted as a UN member, we agree with the sentiments expressed by Cacatua Alba on this resolution.

There is a new resolution up for vote at the UN regarding trade unions. New bruno is generally in favor of trade unions and worker's rights, but would like to receive input from our member nations prior to casting a vote.

As it is currently drafted, we believe the UN proposal is too directive in granting power to labor unions. Unions have a place in our nation and my government will not take actions to prohibit their existence. However, the requirements imposed on governments if the UN resolution were to pass are too extreme. We ask our UN representative to vote against the resolution.

AG.

The Vexilars agree with Mr. Galah and urge all to vote against this measure. There will be no powerful labor unions in this Confederacy, we'll see to that. We are holding up our endorsement process until we see how our UN representative intends to vote.

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Does anyone know what that was about? It's nice to see the NationStates Moderators were watching us newbies enough to notice that someone came in and apparently said something inappropriate.



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I saw the post last night...did not seem inappropriate, though out of place. Did not make sense in this thread.

I humbly disagree. The actions of all countries which reside within the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death are important to each other.

The citizens of the great nations of Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death must be allowed to live freely, unencumbered by brutish thugs and dictators.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno supports the freedom of all Mighty Tasty Corndog of Deathers, whereever they reside!

We are holding up our endorsement process until we see how our UN representative intends to vote.

The United Nations Ambassador from Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death will not be held hostage by such statements. Our vote is not for sale or loan. Our vote will, however, be representative of the desires of our member nations.

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I saw the post last night...did not seem inappropriate, though out of place. Did not make sense in this thread.

OOC myself, he seems to have tossed out of the game completely. I doubt if it was for posting in this forum. More than likely, when your country is deleted, everything goes with you, including your forum posts...

Now, back to our regulary scheduled programming "The Conflict in Elbonia"

As a reminder to our United Nations members:

How come some nations get more votes than others?

Regular UN member nations each get one vote. Regional Delegates, however, get an additional vote for every UN member in their region who endorses them. This can makes Delegates from large regions quite powerful.


Regardless of who our regional delegate is, it seems imperative that our decision be as close to unanimous as possible in order to strengthen our voice in the United Nations!

Frankly, it's better to endorse someone than nobody at all. 3 of our 8 members who have joined the United Nations have failed to endorse anyone!

I concur with the representative of New bruno. By not endorsing a UN delegate, we are losing voting power. I encourage all the UN nations of MTCD to give your endorsement to New bruno. As I have posted before, New bruno's continued endorsement by any nation will be subject to New Bruno's performance in representing our Regional interests at the UN. For the time being however, let us given new bruno the benefit of any doubts you may have and increase our Regional voting power.

AG.

We are holding up our endorsement process until we see how our UN representative intends to vote.

The United Nations Ambassador from Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death will not be held hostage by such statements. Our vote is not for sale or loan. Our vote will, however, be representative of the desires of our member nations.

We fail to see any intent to hold any party hostage based on our previous statement. Our flaw, however, is to base our endorsement on any one issue.

The Confederacy of Vexilars hereby endorses New bruno based on their friendly corporate climate, deep tax cuts and their stated pledge to be representative of member nations' desires.

Excellent. We are well aware that endorsements can be removed daily, and therefore we vow to be truly representative of the organization.

Yeaglestania and Ashtonius have yet to endorse anyone.

Yeaglestania seems to be in favor of the resolution, which puts New bruno in an interesting position. The New bruno delegation may need to reconvene to reconsider the previously stated New bruno opinion.

The consensus at the moment seems to be against the resolution.

Endorsements don't take full effect until the next day.

Yeaglestania has found this interesting message board. As Elected Premier of Yeaglestania, I, Karl Marx, IV hereby join the other nations who have endorsed the bruno nation as UN delegate. However, I, am not sure how this is to be done. Please advise.

Further, Yeaglestania has joined its Soviet brethren in supporting Labour Unions throughout the world in the recent UN resolution. We encourge other Corn Dog nations to follow suit. As one American, Steve Earle, recently said in an interview, "Without Unions, the machines that keep mineworkers alive after a collapse and then rescue them would not exist." Workers deserve the benefits that collective bargaining can bring. Corporations are inherently greedy and have shown a lack of caring for the little guy over the course of history. Safe working conditions and a livable wage.

KM, member AFL-CIO

Premier Marx, click on The Disputed Territories of New bruno anywhere on your site and scroll down. There will be a link stating "Endose this country" or some such statement.

Reading the UN thread, there's an interesting backstory to the current UN resolution. Having read this, the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death regional delegate is inclined to vote against this measure.

Thank you for your help, sir. Yeaglestania is interested in the possible benefits of free trade. However, we are not sold on the idea. We do not have a market economy and are not sure how we would fit in to such a framework. Also, we would like to promote the fact that casinos in our nation, while state-owned, allow children to gamble. We are proud of this. We have the Bengals minus three.

KM, member Communist Party

Yeaglestania has formally endorsed New Bruno. Now Karl has to draft some letters to important people (clients) so he will be off of the board for several hours.

KM's assistant

The fact that this resolution has come to the floor of the UN is further evidence of the ineffectiveness and uselessness of this body.

RG.

Reading the UN thread, there's an interesting backstory to the current UN resolution. Having read this, the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death regional delegate is inclined to vote against this measure.

Excellent suggestion. The drafters of the resolution are consciously attempting to undermine capitalism and commerce, though trying to do so by using veiled and ‘soft’ language. The following was posted as an excerpt from the drafter’s discussion regarding the resolution:

"I agree with SeOCC. While your phraseology is perfectly agreeable to me, we have to beat the capitalists at one of their best games: trickery, and rhetoric is a powerful tool. It has to be phrased in words that won't raise flags for them. Remember, this sword has two edges: grabbing attention, abd studiously directing attention away from content."

Bruno, as our representative I urge you to seek out your fellow Delegates, especially those with large voting blocks so we can defeat this resolution. My government stands ready to provide any assistance in this matter.

AG.

Intelligence received today by the Democratic Republic of Elbonia indicates that the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia is amassing troops at the demilitarized zone. This can only mean that Greater Elbonia intends to invade the Democratic Republic soon.

We have no army to speak of. We are a nation of cheese producers and casinos. There is little doubt that the pschotic despot who rules Greater Elbonia with an iron fist seeks to overrun Lesser Elbonia and rape us of our natural resources and funds.

The Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia desperately begs for assistance in this crisis.

The fact that this resolution has come to the floor of the UN is further evidence of the ineffectiveness and uselessness of this body.

RG.

If this resolution passes, the Disputed Territories of New bruno will have to deeply reconsider our memership in the United Nations.

We in the mighty socialist union of Yeaglestania are new to the concept of democracy. However, we seem to remember that the side with the most votes wins, except in American politics where the Electoral College decides Presidential Elections and the B.C.S. decides college football. So, we wonder out loud, why is this Union issue an issue since the margin of difference between the yeas and nays seems quite large and in favor of us Communists?

KM

Bruno, as our representative I urge you to seek out your fellow Delegates, especially those with large voting blocks so we can defeat this resolution. My government stands ready to rpovide any assistance in this matter.

AG.

Agreed. I'm off to post on that thread next.

Hello fellow MCToD nations. As representative of my homeland, I must apologize for missing some of the discussions taking place. Our IT specialists in Whax lost international communications for a period of time today, but all has been restored.

First, Regarding the UN resolution, Whax CANNOT support such nonsense. This resolution will unbalance power in too many nations, and will force other nations' governments to conform to laws beyond their own control. Laws which their governments are not equipped to handle.

We cannot believe the early lopsided voting and strongly encourage New bruno to voice their delegate's concerns most vociferously in the UN debate to vote AGAINST this resolution. Very bad things. Very bad.

To that end, New bruno IS our current rep, and we must make our voting body as strong as possible. Any and all UN nations should endorse New bruno to give MCToD as many votes as possible in the UN.

Yes, delegation can change daily, and I would propose that if any nation begins to question New bruno's representation, it be brought up for debate in this forum. Still no matter who our representative is, we would hope that endorsement could always be unanimous. And, we hope recruitment of new nations (except the nation of Notre Dame - if it exists - looks like they may align with the region of the Big 10, anyway) continue to be pursued through all possible avenues, in order to continue building our power base.

Second, we are continuing to be concerned about the Elbonian situation. While the threat seems to be just that, a threat, the tone of the Greater Elbonians is troubling, and we hope that continued talk and negotiation can bring an end to that situation at some point in the near future.

Third, other countries with Satellite technology may have noticed a small, but powerful military assembly in the NE corner of Lutra Lutra. Lutra Lutra is a small republic that Whax oversees. Technically, they are still our territory, but we have given them complete independence in their government. We are slightly concerned about this buildup, as their military history is a joke at best. However, this is the largest assembly that we've ever been aware of. Attempts to contact Lutra Lutra have been unsuccessful, but perhaps their representative will address that issue in this forum at some point.

Fourth, we have not heard from our gem expedition in more than 12 hours, but that is to be expected. The treacherous terrain in the rocky deSert makes it essential to move slowly by foot and burden bearing animals such as Yaks, Gnus, and even Emus (yes Whax has Emus, and they can carry more than you think). We encouraged our team to reach us only at night, as their energy is best utilized for their journey during the day. We hope to hear from them this evening, and we'll pass along any substantial news.

Sincerely,

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian MCToD Ambassador

Any word on whether they may have found any cremepuffs? Whac would dearly love to trade for some of them.

While I agree that we should support New bruno as delegate of our region, I do not believe the nation of Yeaglestania's vote has to conform to the majority of beliefs in our region. We voted for the Resolution and feel it was the proper decision. We also support bruno and think we can do both adequately.


We are not pleased with naked agression in our region. We will do whatever it takes to support the the victims of such agression by offering wood chips, health services, and if it comes to it, possible our well-financed Red Army.

While I agree that we should support New bruno as delegate of our region, I do not believe the nation of Yeaglestania's vote has to conform to the majority of beliefs in our region. We voted for the Resolution and feel it was the proper decision. We also support bruno and think we can do both adequately.

Well said KM. I have no illusions that all the nations of the region will agree on everything, however it will be interesting to see how the nations of our region develop. I too can see a possible split in the future though would hope that governments with different ideologies could still find a way to co-exist.

AG.

Agreed, gentlemen. However, I believe (stating simply an assumption) that voting for or against the resolution simply tells our rep how each nation feels. When New bruno votes AGAINST this particular resolution, he will register as many votes AGAINST this resolution as he has endorsers. I believe, then, that all endorsements will register towards New bruno's vote, and they will not be divided based on the way the endorser voted.

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador to the MCToD

Agreed, gentlemen. However, I believe (stating simply an assumption) that voting for or against the resolution simply tells our rep how each nation feels. When New bruno votes AGAINST this particular resolution, he will register as many votes AGAINST this resolution as he has endorsers. I believe, then, that all endorsements will register towards New bruno's vote, and they will not be divided based on the way the endorser voted.

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador to the MCToD

You are correct DM, hence the greater level of power and respsonsibility in being a UN Delegate.

AG.

To my esteemed colleague from Whax: Whax off, you hoser.

We weren't trying to hide anything from the rest of you. As the Dip from Whax not so politely indicated, our military is not much to fear, but we do like to have them in the best shape possible. We are simply gathering for some extensive training missions. It just so happens that this round of training is for "jungle warfare", such as it is, and the NE corner you mention is the area of our lush rain forests. There's nothing more to it than that.

In other news, The Most Serene (note the Serene part) Republic of Lutra Lutra would like to offer it's support against the current UN resolution. Being anti-business, we see support for unionism as completely against our very form of government. New bruno, please continue your wonderful crusade against this resolution. Unfortunately, as a republic of Whaxo's, we cannot join the UN, but we fully support your cause.

Noah Phence
Lutra Lutra Spokesperson

The representative from the Disputed Territories of New bruno hopes that all nations of Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death continue to back one nation as the regional delegate.

This representative is not sure anymore that New bruno is the best delegate for the region, but we'll happily cast our votes against the resolution when/if all 7 nations endorse us. The vote closes on Monday, so we have a couple of days.

Meanwhile, if there is another nation that wishes to take the reins, make your desire known here.

Dear Representative of Serene Lutra Lutra,

I wonder how you being anti-business puts you against unions. To me, the greed of business and corporate entities is tempered by Unions who allow the individual to have a bigger voice in deciding his future.

To New bruno,

While I wholeheartedly support your continuing as delegate for the region, I may be understanding something wrong here. If my nation votes for the resolution, but endorses you, who then votes against the resolution, does that mean my "yes" won't count? If so, the Cabinet and I will have to meet to discuss our next step.

KM

Dear Representative of Serene Lutra Lutra,

I wonder how you being anti-business puts you against unions. To me, the greed of business and corporate entities is tempered by Unions who allow the individual to have a bigger voice in deciding his future.


While our anti-business stance may appear, superficially, to support a socialist agenda, we are, in fact, pro government. In Lutra Lutra, the government controls EVERYTHING. We do not value free enterprise, we do not value capitalism, we do not value power anywhere but in our own hands. Unionism would completely undermine that. Giving power to the unions, as the UN resolution would do, would tie our governmental hands with respect to union groups and we'd lose our power base.

Noah Phence
Lutra Lutra Ambassador

To New bruno,

While I wholeheartedly support your continuing as delegate for the region, I may be understanding something wrong here. If my nation votes for the resolution, but endorses you, who then votes against the resolution, does that mean my "yes" won't count? KM

The delegate can only vote one way, and can cast as many votes as he has endorsements.

:twisted:

:evil:

The following countries are known to have substantial Black Markets due to restricted commerce within the country:

Morissia - Basket Weaving
Lutra Lutra - Beef based agriculture
Blue Lemons - Book publishing
Weasels Everywhere - Gambling
Nrkey - Information Technology
Greater Elbonia - Retail
Yeaglestonia - Woodchip Products

These black markets threaten the countries where they thrive, as well as legitimate commerce throughout Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death.

Walter Mitty
Deputy Director of Coordinating Reports
Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death United Nations Delegation

13 of 21 nations within the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death allow voluntary elections.

3 nations - Lesser Elbonia, Lutra Lutra and Elwoodsr - have compulsory elections. While the elections are still being held, the UN is concerned that people are forced to vote.

6 nations - Greater Elbonia, Morissia, Blue Lemons, Weasels Everywhere and Jared Ruel have outlawed elections. This is clearly troubling and worth watching.

Walter Mitty
Deputy Director of Coordinating Reports
Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death United Nations Delegation

The average tax rate in the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death is 27%.

The average tax rate for those countries without a flat tax is 34%.

The average tax rate for those countries with a flat tax is 6% (Kulaks, Vexilars, Elwoodsr, Jared Ruel, Whax).

6 countries have oppressive tax rates of over 40% (Lutra Lutra, Morrissia, Blue Lemons, Nrkey, Yeaglestonia, Weasels Everywhere).

West Cheese Sandwich, Greater Elbonia, Blue Pt. Siamese Cats and Aksiety have near-oppressive tax rates from 29%-38%.


Walter Mitty
Deputy Director of Coordinating Reports
Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death United Nations Delegation

2 of the 21 nations in Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death provide industry tariffs

West Cheese Sandwich
Kulaks

Tariffs or subsidies imposed by nations hinders the ability of free trade among the member nations.



Walter Mitty
Deputy Director of Coordinating Reports
Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death United Nations Delegation

Based on today's reports, the following nations have landed on the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death Troubled Nations report:

Extreme Concern
Morissia
Blue Lemons
Weasels Everywhere

High Concern
Lutra Lutra
Nrkey
Greater Elbonia
Yeaglestonia

Moderate Concern
Kulaks
Blue Pt Siamese Cats
Jared Ruel
Greater Elbonia
West Cheese Sandwich

Little to No Concern
New Wyoming
Lesser Elbonia
Ashtonius
Cacatua Alba
New bruno
Whac
Anxiety
Vexilars
Elwoodsr
Whax


Walter Mitty
Deputy Director of Coordinating Reports
Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death United Nations Delegation

First, we wanted to say that these Elbows need to get their house inorder, and pronto. Because New Wyoming is about freedom, we're working hard on leading by example in this conflict.

With that in mind, we are working hard to keep our manufacturers free, and keep these workers from holding up dollars on the factory floor.

Why you people let the UN world state even sucker you into a debate on socialism is beyond us.

Now once we get this free trade established, and get some trade going into these outlaw states like Morissia and the Purple Oranges, then we've got to talk about no tax, and no theft from people who make money to keep it and use it.

Clifton Ledge
Secretary of State

The representatives of the Free Land of Morissia wish to express their disappointment at the reaction of some of their neighbors to the elimination of elections with our borders.

Our society is founded on complete participation by eliminating the barriers that are erected with the abuse of power of a few over many. Instead, Morissians rule themselves as many over all.

The federation of small communities to make decisions in a cooperative manner has ensured that the needs of all are met on a daily basis.

What we can conclude is that it is fear of freedom that causes our neighbors to show their fear. We only hope that in the days ahead some reflection will come to the other meat eating nations of the region to release their anxiety and enter into more peaceful times.

Malcolm Dell
Representative for Cross Border Discourse

***where is our night feeding?***

***darling***

***is that my fur all over your pant legs?***

The Most Serene Republic of Lutra Lutra is most pleased to see the latest UN statistics that cite our land as the second most crime-free in the region.

However, we must query the Nation of New bruno as to where he is getting his information on those nations in crisis? We have only been able to access crime reports during our entire existence, but we would be most pleased to view other documents. Your report that our nation is in trouble is most disturbing as we have an entirely different opinion. In fact, we feel that our nation, even now, is making great strides toward complete economic freedom and will very soon become a major power player in this region.

Noah Phence
Lutra Lutra Ambassador

[Whax On]

Mr. Phence of Lutra Lutra, I object highly to your tone. I was merely pointing out that your country was engaging in an apparently out of character aggressive manner, and I thought it in the region's best interest to report such activity.

Thank you for your clarification that it is merely a training exercise. We are still a little wary as our latest Satellite imagery also has detected large mining equipment travelling to that region, but we will simply assume for now that the equipment is part of your military operations.

The Gem expedition contacted us during the night, and all is well. They are making quicker progress than anticipated, and they estimate they are about 6 days away from the reported ancient mining colony. More reports to follow...

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador to the MCToD

[/Whax Off]

The citizens of the Disputed Territories of New bruno were stunned this morning to find that their government has begun to subsidize the automobile industry. The executive staff, strong proponents of free trade, face an uphill battle against the lawmakers.

Mr. Walter Mitty, Deputy Director of Coordinating Reports,
Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death United Nations Delegation, compiled his reports based on the information available on 11/19/2003 regarding each nation.

Nations were judged on taxes, voting, commerce and tariffs. Voluntary elections, low taxes, commerce instead of black markets, and no tariffs are the ideal. Nations which landed on the Extreme Concern list have no elections, obscenely high taxes and strong black markets with no commerce to speak of.

The report is a snapshot, and can change on a regular basis.

Thank you, Mr. Mitty

Noah Phence
Lutra Lutra Ambassador

The Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbonia has sent a delegation to the Free Land of New Wyoming. This delegation is led by our Minister of Defense and Michael McMichaels, Minister of Intelligence.

In what could be viewed as a sign of aggression, it has been noted that the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia has adopted "One Elbonia" as its new motto.

New bruno wishes it had troops to send in defense of Lesser Elbonia, but the President is concerned with the current events that have introduced automobile subsidies by the government and does not with to extend his troops so far from home at this time.

[O]ur latest Satellite imagery also has detected large mining equipment travelling to that region, but we will simply assume for now that the equipment is part of your military operations.

[/Whax Off]

Why is Whax concerned that Lutra Lutra may have mining equipment? In fact, it sounds as if you would be relieved if it were merely military equipment. I'd have thought military hardware would be a greater concern to you than mining equipment.

It is particularly ironic that Whax apparently objects to the possible presence of mining equipment given the fact that Whax is currently investigating it's own mineral resources, presumably with an eye toward future mining.

Furthermore, the Allied State of Whac wishes to congratulate the people of Lutra Lutra for not putting up with Whax's pompous and overbearing attitude.

While I wholeheartedly support your continuing as delegate for the region, I may be understanding something wrong here. If my nation votes for the resolution, but endorses you, who then votes against the resolution, does that mean my "yes" won't count? If so, the Cabinet and I will have to meet to discuss our next step.

KM

That is not my understanding at all. I believe your vote will count even if it is not the same as your UN representative.

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

Mr. Mitty,

Your Troubled Nations report lists Greater Elbonia in two different categories. Perhaps a typographical error.

Yeaglestania expresses concerns with the naked aggression in the region, but I feel that it is only fair to say to this point there has been no aggression at all to date, merely accusations of impending aggression. These military exercises going may turn out to be nothing more than just that; military exercises.

ET

The People of Yeaglestania are happy this morning despite any "high concern" propaganda, no doubt issued by scheming capitalists. We awoke to a "fair" economy (we were a basket case). This proves to our people that socialism does indeed work. Further, we outlawed the death penalty, keeping ourselves among the world's humane.

We would like to welcome the new nation of Jakolva to our region. We have been friends with the Jakolvians for centuries and will continue our strong military and trade alliances.

Why is Whax concerned that Lutra Lutra may have mining equipment? In fact, it sounds as if you would be relieved if it were merely military equipment. I'd have thought military hardware would be a greater concern to you than mining equipment.

It is particularly ironic that Whax apparently objects to the possible presence of mining equipment given the fact that Whax is currently investigating it's own mineral resources, presumably with an eye toward future mining.

[Whax On]

To the representative from Whac, you must understand the history between Whax and Lutra Lutra. Lutra Lutra was formed as a splinter colony from Whax. Those who went to Lutra Lutra were seeking a more involved government than we had in Whax. Whax has always viewed itself as a very democratic society. While Lutra Lutrans valued public say in the government, they became fed up with what they viewed to be too much of a hands off approach. Whax began fearing the possiblities of Civil War over this very issue. Through intense negotions, it was decided that a remote, uninhabited territory of ours would be turned over to the Lutra Lutrans to form their own government however they pleased. In exchange, they agreed to have only a minimal military and were never to become aggressive toward Whax. They were given Republic status, but they remained under the financial control of Whax. A strange arrangement, I know, but it was all that could be done to avert war.

Thus, our observing of a combination of military maneuvering combined with mining equipment raises some red flags for us. We wonder what might be going on, and we share our concerns with the regions. Lutra Lutra is a figurative "little brother" and we are simply looking out for his welfare.


Furthermore, the Allied State of Whac wishes to congratulate the people of Lutra Lutra for not putting up with Whax's pompous and overbearing attitude.

What pompous and overbearing attitude? I might say that that comment appears pompous and overbearing itself.

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador to the MCToD

[/Whax Off]

Ashtonius and Kulaks are the 2 remaining UN members to not endorse the Disputed Territories of New bruno. Presently we have 8 votes to use in the UN.

My understanding is that only the delegate can vote in the UN, though I could be wrong. I know that the delegate can cast as many votes as he has endorsements.

My renewed understanding of UN rules is that the Delegates are the only ones who can approve resolutions to be brought up for a vote.

All members may vote on the resolutions, but those who are endorsed by others can use those endorsements as additional votes.

So if you align yourself with those whom you agree on an issue, you can double your votes.

You can endorse as many folks as you want, so perhaps there is a strategy there as well...

I, the Elected Premier of Yeaglestania, then will have to withdraw my endorsement as my nation believes strongly in the resolution.

All members may vote on the resolutions, but those who are endorsed by others can use those endorsements as additional votes.

OOC - Are you sure about this bruno? From the FAQ:

How come some nations get more votes than others?
Regular UN member nations each get one vote. Regional Delegates, however, get an additional vote for every UN member in their region who endorses them.

While every nation can have endorsments, the only ones that count when voting in the UN are those of Regional Delegate and on any given day, each Region can have only one Regional Delegate.

Good catch on the multiple endorsements. You can endorse as many UN nations as you please within your region.

We should still try to get as much voting power behind our Regional Delegate as possible.

[quote=New bruno]
How come some nations get more votes than others?
Regular UN member nations each get one vote. Regional Delegates, however, get an additional vote for every UN member in their region who endorses them.


All the more reason why a new delegate should be selected...the delegate from the Disputed Territories of New bruno doesn't read very well.

All the more reason why a new delegate should be selected...the delegate from the Disputed Territories of New bruno doesn't read very well.

OOC - Since when is that criteria for any governmental position? :)

You actually admitted an oversight with no hope of political gain in doing so, something rare from a politician...

*** just a little scratch behind the ears please ***

The Colony of Dutchmenistanivlakia has declared its independence from the Grand Duchy of Blue Lemons. Let freedom ring (except for "big business")!

In exchange, they agreed to have only a minimal military and were never to become aggressive toward Whax.



Then why is your concern more that it may be mining equipment than military equipment? Has Whax oppressed the people of Lutra Lutra on the issue of mining equipment much as you have on the issue of military forces?

It sounds like the strategy for UN voting is to withdraw your endorsement each day that you disagree with the position the regions UN delagate is going to vote for. Then if you agree with him the next day, you can re-endorse him.

Then why is your concern more that it may be mining equipment than military equipment? Has Whax oppressed the people of Lutra Lutra on the issue of mining equipment much as you have on the issue of military forces?

The recent military/mining activity is quite unusual for this small, environmentally conscious region. Not only were they formed as a pro government colony, they have also based their existence on protecting the environment. So, after several decades of inactivity, all of asudden, they are engaging in this brazen move toward military buildup and environmental destabilization. It's just a red flag, that's all. We will continue to monitor the situation...

Dip Lo'Matte
Waxian Ambassador to the MCToD

It sounds like the strategy for UN voting is to withdraw your endorsement each day that you disagree with the position the regions UN delagate is going to vote for. Then if you agree with him the next day, you can re-endorse him.

Exactly

The President of the Disputed Territories of New bruno proclaimed his personal shame that the country is second most subsidized in all of Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death. "Clearly this is the will of big government, and not of the people."

It is with great distress that the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death UN Delegate announces the capture of Lampoon, the capital of the Democratic Republic of Lesser Elbania, by the formidable army of the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbania.

A small army of Lesser Elbanian freedom fighters have retreated to the southwest corner of their country as they await the return of a delegation sent to New Wyoming to purchase weapons.

Meanwhile, refugees from Lesser Elbonia have crossed the borders of the People's Republic of West Cheese Sandwich and the Allied States of Whax. The United Nations is sending support staff to these countries to set up refugee camps.

[Whax On]
Am I to understand that Lesser Elbonia, as we know it, has ceased to exist? Have the Greater Elbonians effectively taken over?

This is most distressing indeed. We, of course, welcome all refugees into our great country, and we will support them as our allies.

We are also distressed by the escalation in aggression in this region. Our military is small, but strong. We possess an adequate navy and a better than average air force. Should the region decide to pursue means other than diplomatic, we are ready and willing to engage.

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador to the MCToD

[/Whax Off]

My brothers, Lesser Elbonia as we knew it no longer exists. But the freedom fighters are a feisty bunch. They will need some funds in order to purchase their weapons, but the tenacious Lesser Elbonians have not given up.

On another note, the Disputed Territories of New bruno are prepared to resign from the United Nations on Monday, as the pro-Union resolution seems destined to pass. We'll let the commies have the UN and live our lives peacefully without them.

On another note, the Disputed Territories of New bruno are prepared to resign from the United Nations on Monday, as the pro-Union resolution seems destined to pass. We'll let the commies have the UN and live our lives peacefully without them.

OOC - If it passes, it will be interesting to see if/how many nations are tossed (test the games logic) due to inconsistent laws...

On another note, the Disputed Territories of New bruno are prepared to resign from the United Nations on Monday, as the pro-Union resolution seems destined to pass. We'll let the commies have the UN and live our lives peacefully without them.

Bravo! The Vexilars are with you!

My brothers, Lesser Elbonia as we knew it no longer exists.

My government is alarmed at these developements. Does the government of New bruno have any contacts or influence regarding this Rogue State? The region needs to band together to oppose this aggression. My nation is willing to lead a group to consider what sanctions or other actions should be taken.

AG.

On another note, the Disputed Territories of New bruno are prepared to resign from the United Nations on Monday, as the pro-Union resolution seems destined to pass. We'll let the commies have the UN and live our lives peacefully without them.

The gap has lessened significantly over the weekend in heavy voting. I hope the other nations of the UN see through this resolution and defeat it.

AG.

Members of the region,

The people of Yeaglestania have promised aid to the freedom fighters in LE. We not only will contribute food, wood chips, and health care necessities, but our warships are on high alert for possible bombing runs. Further, 2 of our Carriers in the region, the "USY Lenin" and "USY Dubois" are en route to the international waters off the shore of Greater Elbonia.

Further, for those of you who would rather stay in the UN to promote our region's interest in the world body, Yeaglestania would be happy to be your regional delegate if and when the people of New bruno opt out due to their concerns over the labor issue. We in Yeaglestania, while understanding the feelings of those who are anti-union, feel it is shortsighted to drop from the UN just like that. We feel other good things can be had by our voice being heard. Our region is only benefitted by staying in the UN.

The gap is down to 2000 votes. I wonder how many who have approved the resoltuion have actually read it and understand its implications?

Our region is only benefitted by staying in the UN.

Hardly. If the member nations are to live up to all UN resolutions, then they must surrender their sovereignty to the unions. And from what I've read, most MTCoD member nations are not willing to do that.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno would rather exist outside of the United Nations if such incredibly ludicrous resolutions will take effect. "Live Free or Die!"

I doubt many realize what it actually says. It appears, from reading other nations' optinions, that the region who sponsored it deliberately couched it in liberal terms so that those who only glance at it would think it sounded good.

In other news, the nation of Lutra Lutra is against the agressive actions of Greater Elbonia, and joins with other nations a pledge to protect that refugees. Retaliatory aid is also offered.

"Live free or die" sounds more like "Take my ball and go home."

, but our warships are on high alert for possible bombing runs. Further, 2 of our Carriers in the region, the "USY Lenin" and "USY Dubois" are en route to the international waters off the shore of Greater Elbonia.

The Dominion finds it hard to believe that a nation of only 10 million residents with the usual inefficient socialist economy, could support the deployment of naval forces of this size, let alone project their power beyond their own borders. More Communist sabre rattling.

The Lesser Elbonians were offered a chance for survival that they turned down. They deserve their fate.

Our Arms Ministry stands ready to help those nations in need of military support who have the courage to take action.

Comm. Redjac, Arms Ministry of The Dominion

OOC - The nation of Lutra Lutra thinks that Yeaglestania is most likely playing "Battleship" with a young neighbor. And worse, he's cheating (cuz he has TWO aircraft carriers). Bastard.

"Live free or die" sounds more like "Take my ball and go home."

The Disputed Territories of New bruno will not have any organization tell the country how it should conduct its own business. Despite the asinine statement of the incredibly socialist "country" of Yeaglestania, the Disputed Territories of New bruno have resigned from the United Nations until such time as the organization figures out what the hell they've done.

The Disputed Territories of New bruno have no use for an organization that forces the government to become socialist. We are better off on our own.

The Lesser Elbonians were offered a chance for survival that they turned down. They deserve their fate.

The Elbonian freedom fighters are staging an offensive against the Greater Elbonian invaders just South of Lampoon.

The Lesser Elbonian delegation has returned to support the freedom fighters, having been spurned in their arms negotiations.

Reports from the battlefront say that the freedom fighters have found an arms supplier on the black market.

The incredibly foolish socialist country of Yeaglestania, posing publicly as a liberator of Lesser Elbonia, is in fact supplying the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia with troops, arms and advisers.

Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands Lesser Elbonian refugees have flooded the border of the Allied States of Whac, overflowing the relief efforts in that country.

Laslty, the Disputed Territories of New bruno recommend that those counties that were against the communistic UN resolution either resign from the UN, or circle the wagons and endorse another member. The UN delegate is the only one who can affirm new resolutions, and Lord knows what might happen if the communist Yeaglestanians become the Delegate.

I must say I, as Elected Premier of Yeaglestania, am amazed at the debating skill practiced by the head of New bruno. What further amazes me is how someone with such lack of skill could ever be elected to the position of delegate. The "gentleman" not only decides to leave an organization at the first sign of trouble (and what would happen to any organization if we all left the very first time we disagreed with policy) instead of working things out for the betterment of the region, but he also resorts to acting like a child by labeling my comments "asanine" and "foolish" without of course backing those comments up with a) any logic or b) anything period. To the people of Yeaglestania, name-calling i.e.- "you are dumb" neither helps the situation nor helps the leader of New bruno look even somewhat like an educated diplomat. But yet he goes further and lies about our involvement in Lesser Elbonia. Yes, it is very logical for us to send weapons to Greater Elbonia only to have them use such weapons on our own troops. My, I am amazed at the lack of thought put forth by the liar.

As for questions regarding our naval strength, we did not say a) they were new carriers or b) they were new planes. But they will get the job done. Military might is an important goal our nation. Scoff at us now if you wish. But I find it strange that when we offer aid to the oppressed, we are rebuked by peace loving nations.

Laslty, the Disputed Territories of New bruno recommend that those counties that were against the communistic UN resolution either resign from the UN, or circle the wagons and endorse another member.

My government will remain in the UN and fight to have this propsoal overturned. I humbly ask the nations of MTCD that were against this resolution to endorse this action to prevent the anti-capitalist forces in our region from becoming our Regional Delegate.

Your servant,

Andrew Galah, FM

I must say I, as Elected Premier of Yeaglestania, am amazed at the debating skill practiced by the head of New bruno
What the representative from New bruno may lack in debating skills he more than compensates for in speaking the truth. I find your use of the word 'elected' most interesting as I KNOW that ALL socialist states value the input of their individual citizens.

True The Dominion does not hold elections, however we are honest about this fact and do not create a sham in an attempt to save face and deceive other nations.

The destabilizing efforts both politically and militarily, on the part of the socialist bloc in this region will not go unchallenged. This is not a threat, but a promise.

Rire Grist, FM

The Allied States of Whac have, as part of a trade deal, aquired a shipment of rocket propelled grenades (RPGs) from the Colony of Dutchmenistanivlakia. This may seem strange, since Whac has no military, but it was a concession we had to make to convince Dutchmenistanivlakia to invest in our information technology, since with their fragile economy they could not afford a trade imbalance.

(On a side note, Whac has been given an award as the #1 for information technology nation within the MTCoD region. We are your one stop shopping location for all your information technology needs.)

Since we now have the RPGs with no use for them, we are donating them as military aid to the Most Serene Republic of Lutra Lutra, whose efforts to maintain a small self defense force have long been stymied by the Allied States of Whax (not to be confused with Whac).

In domestic news, an underground group opposed to the current government of Whac has formed. It has yet to be seen whether this group presents a serious threat to the current government.

"I find your use of the word 'elected' most interesting as I KNOW that ALL socialist states value the input of their individual citizens.

True The Dominion does not hold elections, however we are honest about this fact and do not create a sham in an attempt to save face and deceive other nations."

I really urge you, sir, to stop trying to extrapolate from your past experiences with socialist governments in an attempt to understand that of Yeaglestania. One has very little to do with the other. Governments of the past like the USSR and governments of the present like China got something wrong. That is they were totalitarian. Please consult your history book if you need to, but My great-grandfather, Karl Marx, was not in favor of a totalitarian socialist state. He was only interested in the economic theory, not the political form. So, here in Yeaglestania, we took up the gauntlet to form a democratic socialist state (as is our LABEL on the webpage). In that realm, we are similar to Sweden and other nations of their ilk, just more socialist.

We have a long history of democracy in our nation. Voting is not compulsory, nor is it outlawed. We have a bicameral government. Further, our democracy is more pure than that of nations such as the United States given that we do not allow any soft or hard money donations from PACs or corporations. Often I have been urged to drop democracy, and I flatly refuse. Further, our people enjoy wonderful freedoms including that of speech, something you may not find in the other nations you have researched.

My point is simple. Do not judge us by the past. We are different and deserve to be looked upon in a different light.

Yes, it is very logical for us to send weapons to Greater Elbonia only to have them use such weapons on our own troops. My, I am amazed at the lack of thought put forth by the liar.

YOU WOULD DISAVOW OUR ALLIANCE, MY BROTHER? THAT IS A RATHER UNFORTUNATE TURN OF EVENTS.

AND TO THOSE NATIONS WHO WISH TO INTERFERE WITH THE DOMESTIC POLICY OF A SOVEREIGN NATION, I SUGGEST YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH CAUTION. YOU KNOW NOT WITH WHOM YOU ARE DEALING.

I must say I, as Elected Premier of Yeaglestania, am amazed at the debating skill practiced by the head of New bruno.

I did not know we were in a debate.

What further amazes me is how someone with such lack of skill could ever be elected to the position of delegate.

I believe on more than one occasion I have called for a new nation to take over as delegate, and none stepped forward.

The "gentleman" not only decides to leave an organization at the first sign of trouble (and what would happen to any organization if we all left the very first time we disagreed with policy) instead of working things out for the betterment of the region

The "first sign of trouble" destabilized my entire country. For the betterment of my country, I made the choice to resign from the United Socialist Nations and attempt to recover what I can.


, but he also resorts to acting like a child by labeling my comments "asanine" and "foolish" without of course backing those comments up with a) any logic or b) anything period.

Ah yes, the statements of a master debater.

For the record, I did call your statement asinine. I did not, however, call your statement foolish. I called your country foolish. "Skilled" debaters often muddy the facts in an attempt to confuse others.


To the people of Yeaglestania, name-calling i.e.- "you are dumb" neither helps the situation nor helps the leader of New bruno look even somewhat like an educated diplomat.

I never said "you are dumb". Yet another distortion by the Master Debater.


But yet he goes further and lies about our involvement in Lesser Elbonia.

Oh yes?


Yes, it is very logical for us to send weapons to Greater Elbonia only to have them use such weapons on our own troops. My, I am amazed at the lack of thought put forth by the liar.

Glad you're not resorting to name calling.

As for questions regarding our naval strength, we did not say a) they were new carriers or b) they were new planes. But they will get the job done. Military might is an important goal our nation. Scoff at us now if you wish. But I find it strange that when we offer aid to the oppressed, we are rebuked by peace loving nations.

You make me laugh.

On another note, the Disputed Territories of New bruno are prepared to resign from the United Nations on Monday, as the pro-Union resolution seems destined to pass. We'll let the commies have the UN and live our lives peacefully without them.

Bravo! The Vexilars are with you!

I sense a new alliance forming.

The Elbonian freedom fighters are marching towards Lampoon in an effort to reclaim our country from the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia. Our country is alive in our refugees and freedom fighters. We will return our president to his rightful position in the country, and the country as an ally of peace and freedom within the Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death.

We have seen the Yeaglestanian battleships and war planes in this battle, but only as Yeaglestanian shells and bombs rain down on our beloved country. Please, do not believe the lies of the communists.

The Allied States of Whac have, as part of a trade deal, aquired a shipment of rocket propelled grenades (RPGs) from the Colony of Dutchmenistanivlakia. This may seem strange, since Whac has no military, but it was a concession we had to make to convince Dutchmenistanivlakia to invest in our information technology, since with their fragile economy they could not afford a trade imbalance..

Actually, it seems strange only because Dutchmenistanivlakia invests little to no money on defense. Be careful that those RPGs don't backfire on you. There is a reason why we let the Dutchmenistanivlakians form their own colony. They're not so bright, and more intent on having a good time.

THE SOVEREIGN NATION OF ELBONIA HAS APPLIED FOR MEMBERSHIP IN THE UNITED NATIONS.

Whac could tolerate UN resolutions which are opposed to the preferences of our country if the issues were smaller, dealing with double hulled oil tankers, endangered wildlife protection, 200 mile territorial fishing limits, condemning agressor nations, etc. But to have a resolution approved which dramatically changes your nations form of government strikes as going much too far.

That is our major concern with remaining a UN member. In fact, the hope that this most recent resolution has caused enough outrage that a motion to repeal will be put up to vote is the main reason to remain in the UN. It is the only way Whac can see to get this unfortunate law removed from our books, since withdrawing from the UN would still leave me with that that in place.

Double post

Triple post (had trouble getting it to go through yesterday, but apparently it went through each time).

"My point is simple. Do not judge us by the past. We are different and deserve to be looked upon in a different light.

History is a frame of reference that cannot be ignored. It has been said, "Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." I make judgments based on actions:

- Support for the UN Labor resolution which by admission of its own drafters, is an attempt to rein in capitalist nations and in doing so, promote the growth of socialism/communism
- Idle military threats and saber rattling
- A national motto "Down with Capitalism! All property for all people!", consistent with historical communist rhetoric
- Military support in an effort to subvert a free, capitalist nation state

There are some interesting aspects of your government that are not found in 'traditional' communist regimes and granted some of your government policies are inconsistent with the rhetorical spewed by your representatives. It remains to be seen how your nation develops.

As you have referred to, your ancestor had a vision of a nation state. The perversion of that dream to the detriment of millions is also clear.

Rire Grist, FM

It is the only way Whac can see to get this unfortunate law removed from our books, since withdrawing from the UN would still leave me with that that in place.

It remains to be seen if this is true. The Disputed Territories of New bruno are convinced that resignation from the United Socialist Nations will allow the Territories to recover their democratic, free market, capitalistic roots.

I have not ordered any agression yet against Greater Elbonia. So bombs falling from planes are not on behalf of my nation. Greater Elbonia is not our brother. Our brothers would work out a peaceful solution to their problems rather than attack a neighbor.


Mister Jared, We are Communist, no doubt. We however, are not totalitarian. We are Communist because that is the will of the people. Many nations have strong militaries and are not totalitarian. The U.S. and Britain are 2. Sure, we have threatened a "free capitalist state" who is an aggressor and has been denounced by several non-Communist states here for its actions. What we have done is join others who have offered to support the Lesser Elbonians.


And yes the plan was distorted to the detriment of many. But you cannot hold my nation accountable for the evils of Josef Stalin and Nikita Kruschev and others. Our goal is to succeed where they failed, to make life better for our people. For, one major tenet is true in both democracy (political) and communism (economics), the people are at the center. Not the corporations, not a tyrannical leader.

It is the only way Whac can see to get this unfortunate law removed from our books, since withdrawing from the UN would still leave me with that that in place.

It remains to be seen if this is true. The Disputed Territories of New bruno are convinced that resignation from the United Socialist Nations will allow the Territories to recover their democratic, free market, capitalistic roots.

From what I could gather in the forum, leaving the UN does not automatically undo laws which were implemented due to UN resolution. However, based on the issues that your nation may face in the future, you may slowly be able to undo it.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96678

I have not ordered any agression yet against Greater Elbonia. So bombs falling from planes are not on behalf of my nation. Greater Elbonia is our brother.

Which is exactly what we're saying. And, for the record, it was the Elbonian freedom fighters who said that Yeaglestanian shells and bombs were falling on them, not on the armies of the Rogue Nation of Greate Elbonia.

[OOC]From what I could gather in the forum, leaving the UN does not automatically undo laws which were implemented due to UN resolution. However, based on the issues that your nation may face in the future, you may slowly be able to undo it.


Which I think, somewhere, somehow, that's what I said....it is our understanding that Union issues will arise tonight, and the Disputed Territories of New bruno will begin the arduous task of rebuilding our once-solid economy, and return New bruno to the beacon of capitalism that it has been.

"Greater Elbonia is our brother. Our brothers would work out a peaceful solution to their problems rather than attack a neighbor. "

Nice catch. Unfortunately, our typist was incorrect. He has been summarily discharged. If you read those 2 sentences together, they do not make sense. What was intended is "Greater Elbonia is NOT our brother. Our brothers would work out a peaceful solution to their problems rather than attack a neighbor." Why would we on the one hand say GE is our brother and then say our brothers do the opposite of what they have done? It doesnt make sense without the "not."

My apologies for the typo.

And for the record, our bombs have NOT been discharged.

[I]t is our understanding that Union issues will arise tonight

Plese keep us informed sir. If that is the case, I'll be the next one out the door of the UN.

[I]t is our understanding that Union issues will arise tonight

Plese keep us informed sir. If that is the case, I'll be the next one out the door of the UN.

With the resignation of New bruno from the UN, the nation with the most endorsements will become our new Delegate. I encourage all UN nations of our region to review their endorsements. Based on current numbers, The People's Republic of West Cheese Sandwich will be our new Delegate.

AG

I support the Cheese for UN delegate.

KM

[quote="Yeaglestania"] [My great-grandfather, Karl Marx, was not in favor of a totalitarian socialist state. He was only interested in the economic theory, not the political form. ]

[In that realm, we are similar to Sweden and other nations of their ilk, just more socialist. ]




I believe comrade Marx's "Communist Manifesto" was nothing, if not pure political propaganda.

And when was the last time Sweden sent warships and war planes anywhere other than to dry dock? Aren't they the country of the 9 to 5 armed forces?

I seem to smell a bit more Stalin in the air...

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And for the record, our bombs have NOT been discharged.

I recommend that you have this discussion with your military leaders. Someone is discharging your weapons. Either way, it's not a good thing.

On the current UN issue of Alternative fuels. The Allied States of Whac is greatly in favor of research into more environmentally friendly energy sources that fossil fuels. Hydrogen, as is mentioned in the UN issue, is one such possibility.

However, there is a major pitfall along the way of using hydrogen as a energy source. The hydrogen has to be generated somehow, and the most common way is to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen. But therein lies the problem. A great deal of energy must be added to cause this breakdown. More energy, in fact, than the resulting hydrogen will produce.

Fossil fuels can be used to heat water to create hydrogen, or electricity can be used, but much of our electricity is from oil and coal burning power plants. If the energy to generate pure hydrogen is created from the burning of fossil fuels, we are making the situation worse, not better, due to the fact that you'll have to burn more fossil fuel energy to create the hydrogen than the hydrogen will provide as a motor fuel.

There are, however, other ways to generate hydrogen. Solar power is one method, and research using algea to create hydrogen is also underway. Whether either of these methods would be practical to produce hydrogen on the scale needed for the worlds automobile demands has yet to be seen.

Whac believes such reseach is worthwhile, and therefore supports this resolution, despite the lack of mention of the source of energy for hydrogen production. It is a flawed resolution, but Whac believes even in it's flawed state it is better than no resolution at all.

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

Actually, it seems strange only because Dutchmenistanivlakia invests little to no money on defense.

True, but they do have highly efficient black market in Arms Manufacturing. (Not that the Allied States of Whac would deal in another nation's black market. Certainly not. Those RPGs were, uh, found on the freighter returning from Dutchmenistanivlakia after an IT delivery. We honestly have no idea how they got there.)

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

Yeaglestania supports the UN bill on alternative fuels. Of course, now that we do, it will probably be labled "an attempt to undermine capitalism." By the way, we haven't seen the reports for every country but after one night, our economy actually got better to Strong despite the labor unions. Maybe the fears were premature and overstated.

The Allied States of Whac is distressed to report that the underground group known as Revolution for a Free New Whac has gained strength. Our intelligence reports indicate that the group has grown quickly by recruiting from the disenfranchised refugees from Lesser Elbonia within our borders, who have little to lose by supporting a group which aims to overthrow Whac's legitimate government.

Edgar Truethorpe
Spokesman for the Prime Minister

I am concerned that our Regional UN Delegate, West Cheese, has already cast the region’s vote for the resolution without any discussion amongst the regional nations. It was my understanding that we had an agreement that we would discuss in this forum our regional vote prior to it being cast. I ask West Cheese to live up to that agreement.

On the surface, the resolution appears to be a good idea. My nation is a friend of the environment as we continue to wrestle with our mining industry in attempts to preserve and restore environmentally sensitive areas of Cacatua Alba.

However, we will vote against the resolution for a number of reasons.

First, we do not believe it is the role of the UN to regulate private industry and imposing a mandatory tax on the automobile industries in all nations would do just that. The resolution sets a dangerous precedent by allowing the UN to regulate private industry in a sovereign nation.

Secondly, there already is a resolution, passed by the UN on June 16, 2003, that promotes the development of alternative fuels to power automobiles. While not mandatory, it sets a guiding principle for UN nations to follow.

Thirdly, this proposal does nothing to resolve environmental issues facing the world. Instead, it imposes a tax on one industry to pay for research and development, a cost that will be passed on to the consumer. My nation is attempting to take a broader approach to preserving the environment and is looking at ALL industries and the impact of their operations on our nation.

Respectfully,

Andrew Galah, FM

By the way, we haven't seen the reports for every country but after one night, our economy actually got better to Strong despite the labor unions. Maybe the fears were premature and overstated.

Or maybe, since your country was socialist already, the resolution only reinforced your economy. By and large the countries that were hurt were those who were capitalist, and the ones who improved were socialist.

First, we do not believe it is the role of the UN to regulate private industry and imposing a mandatory tax on the automobile industries in all nations would do just that. The resolution sets a dangerous precedent by allowing the UN to regulate private industry in a sovereign nation.

Through backchannels, it is understood that the Rogue Nation of Greater Elbonia voted against the resolution for this reason alone. Moving eerily closer to a "new world order" led by the emperor of the United Socialist Nations.

Actually, it seems strange only because Dutchmenistanivlakia invests little to no money on defense.

True, but they do have highly efficient black market in Arms Manufacturing.

It is quite troubling to learn that a country whom we believed to be an ally would in fact support the black market that my country is working so dilligently to squelch.

It appears that the UN resolution will be approved by a large majority of nations, thereby giving the UN an open door to regulate private business in a sovereign nation, hardly the principle that the UN was founded on. If this trend continues, we may as well disband all governments and submit to the will of a world government. My nation will continue to work within the UN structure in attempt to redirect the UN along its intended purposes.

How many of the UN nations actually read and understand the resolutions before they vote. Reviewing the debates on the resolutions tend to be enlightening as well.

AG.

I've read the latest proposal, and I agree with my esteemed colleague from Cacatua Alba. While, on the surface, this proposal seems harmless enough (I mean, 1% of profits going toward environmental safeguards, what's wrong with that, right?), the gentleman from Cacatua Alba correctly is suspiscious of the precedent that such a law would set.

In short, I see this resolution, which is currently winning approval in a landslide, as government sticking it's nose into private business. While it's not much different than a tax (something that would actually make more sense in this proposal), it's still mandating that private business spend its money in areas it might not otherwise.

I would actually be in favor of passage of an environmental tax on all automobile (or any motorized vehicle operating on gasoline) exports that would then be spent in the home country on environmental safeguards. This current proposal is dangerous. If the UN delegate can change his vote, I strongly encourage him to do so. If he cannot, I am uncertain why he would have voted that way in the first place. I also do not like that other nations were not consulted prior to casting the vote. I don't think West Cheese's style of representation is very good for this region, and I will join the call for his replacement. I have maintained my endorsement of him, but I have also endorsed Cacatua Alba, and I hope that others follow that lead.

These latest two resolutions have pushed the UN into too powerful a position to regulate the goings on INSIDE all UN nations. That is not, in my opinion, the reason for the UN's existence in the first place.

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador to the MCToD

How many of the UN nations actually read and understand the resolutions before they vote. Reviewing the debates on the resolutions tend to be enlightening as well.

AG.

Based on the low voter turnout as compared to the Union resolution, my guess is the capitalists and other countries who value their sovereignty have abandoned the UN. So now the socialists and those who don't pay attention to the resolutions have an overwhelming majority.

This is why the Disputed Territories of New bruno left the United Socialist Nations.

There is a certain nobility to trying to fix a global organization by yourself, but you are placing your country at risk by doing so. How many more international laws have to be placed upon your citizens before they find someone else to lead them?

The Disputed Territories of New bruno have taken some very bold, pro-business positions since leaving the United Socialist Nations, and we've just today "progressed" to a New York Times Democracy.

It would appear that West Cheese Sandwich and Cacatua Alba both have 5 endorsements...if Elwoodsr, Whac and/or Whax withdrew their endorsement from one of the two, it could shift the power of the region. Very interesting...

There is a certain nobility to trying to fix a global organization by yourself, but you are placing your country at risk by doing so. How many more international laws have to be placed upon your citizens before they find someone else to lead them?

My nation embraces a global view, a global economy and hope, granted with some idealism, to find a solution within the system. The economic burden is growing and I imagine at some point, the citizens will say enough. Until then, we are commited to being a UN member.

AG.

The government of New Wyoming is really concerned that you socialists are letting yourselves get the run around from the brotherhood of evil also known as the UN.

How are you going to explain to all the hard working people in the current energy industries that they are going to be replaced by windmills. We have a right to work state here, and it is working for us.

Be suckers, vote for "alternatives."

The congress of the Kulaks sees many small business opportunities to be had in alternative fuels.

Voting against this resolution is very business unfriendly.

We have our groobel to thing of.

Boris Bratnik, President

Mr. President

By imposing a mandatory tax, we are hurting private enterprise and setting a precedent by granting the UN the power to tax the industries within our nations. My nation is all for the development of alternative fuels, both as a boon for business as well as the environment. However, the way to achieve these goals should be by individual nations, in consultation with their industries, not by a global tax.

Respectfully,

AG.

My dear misguided friends. Today your automobile companies have had a tax imposed upon them by the United Socialist Nations. Your countries are becoming more socialist every day.

Meanwhile, the Disputed Territories of New bruno's economy is rated as a "powerhouse".

Looks like the region has yet another USN delegate. Interesting times indeed.

My thanks to those nations that have endorsed Cacatua Alba as your Regional Delegate. We are committed to open debate of all UN issues in this forum prior to casting the regional vote. If you have any issues that have been submitted to the UN for consideration, please let me know so I can lobby for their inclusion in the voting process.

Your servant,

Andrew Galah, FM

The Allied States of Whac is passing a law that enables corporations to fire striking employees. This is in direct conflict with the UN resolution on the rights of Labor Unions:

"All nations must take appropriate steps to ensure the ability of unions to engage in industrial actions....

National laws shall not be made to impair the guarantees provided for in this resolution. Laws that contradict these guarantees shall not be created or enforced."

Whac opposes this resolution, and is therefore directly challenging the UN to see if they have the ability to enforce their own rules.

In other news, Whac is happy to report that support for Revolution for a Free New Whac has recently waned. It seems that the positions this group has taken on various issues isn't that different from the position of the current government. That being the case, it is hard for them to enlist recruits with the promise of overthrowing the current government to replace with another that is almost identical.

The Lesser Elbonian refugees do continue to cause a probalem however. They have swelled the population of Whac to 29 million, more than double the population of only a week ago.

I have reviewed the current proposals being debated by the Regional delegates and note at least five that deal with Free Trade. As this is one of the tenets our region was founded upon, I will push for these resolutions to be brought before the UN as a whole for consideration.

What is the stand of our region on the previous labor unions proposal? At the time, I believe most were not in favor of the resolution as drafted. If this is still the case, I am looking for regional support to draft a new resolution that would replace the one recently adopted that would not be as prescriptive. Please share your thoughts.

Thank you.

AG.

There are two resolutions that currently have a chance of being endorsed by the RDs and brought to the UN as a whole. The first relates to the banning of the use of land mines worldwide. The second relates to a worldwide ban and condemnation of torturing prisoners. The land mine proposal expires today, the banning of torture tomorrow.

AG.

What is the stand of our region on the previous labor unions proposal?

The brunogarchy stands firmly against the labor union proposal, and any proposal that allows the United Nations to attempt to govern sovereign nations (unions, fuel taxes, etc...).

The Nation of Greater Elbonia favors both resolutions.

The Allied States of Whax also favors both resolutions.

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador for the MCToD

This resolution has been gaining strong support from RDs all day. it is only 15 votes short of going to the UN for a vote. It reads as follows:

"Description: All nations are advised that landmines are cruel and unnecessary devices to civilian populations of nations around the world. These weapons indiscriminately maim and kill civilian targets. When conflicts end, landmines pose a serious threat to farming and render large portions of land unusable. The expense and difficulty of removing landmines after hostilities cease means that farmland and other areas might never be useful to populations for any enterprise. For this reason the immediate banning of the use of landmines in conflicts carried out by UN counties is called for."

Thought it might be useful to get a head start on our debate. While the resolution does not address the millions of mines currently deployed, at least it is a step in the right direction for the future. My nation is in favor of the resolution should it come to a UN vote.

AG.

The Vexilars fully support the ban on landmines. It is a bit naive to think all nations would comply. Outlaw the guns and only outlaws have guns. However, any reduction in landmine use has to be a good thing.

Well, it appears that the landmine issue is indeed up for vote. The Allied States of Whax has already registered its vote FOR the resolution. I suppose it is time to discuss this more fully as a region.

Whax is quite relieved that this resolution seems to be more in line with our perception of the UN's role. This resolution does not impact, directly, the governmental style of any nation, yet it makes an attempt to lessen the cruelty and inhumanity of a barbaric military "weapon".

Dip Lo'Matte
Whaxian Ambassador to the MCToD

The brunogarchy supports the Whax statment.

We also feel that the regional delegate should use his discretion to vote for a potential resolution or not. Once a resolution is up for vote by the entire United Nations, then the regional delegate should encourage discussion of the issue at hand.

2 cents from the brunogarchy.

Thus far it appears the region is in favor of the resolution. There are a number of dissenting opinions on the UN board, with two different angles.

One, that the UN is unrealistic, that this could never happen in the real world, that it is just a 'feel good' resolution thus we should vote against it. I have no problem with the UN being idealistic, as long as it is not being overly prescriptive.

A second item is that no military in the world could/would support this, as mines are essential to the defense of a nation. To me, this logic is flawed. There is plenty of evidence in the world of the impact landmines have long after a conflict is over. A military argument could be there are other, more effective deterrents to war. Also, the face of war continues to change. Trench warfare is gone. A nonmilitary response to this argument would be we need to take steps, however small, to reduce the influence of the militarism between nations in an attempt, albeit idealistic, to make this a better, safer place to live. Can you imagine living in a world where your son or daughter could be playing a field and trigger of these devices? Growing up is tough enough.

The Allied States of Whac is in favor of the land mine resolution. Just because it's idealistic to think it will be followed isn't a reason to avoid going on therecord as saying you support it. I must confess that I have not reviewed the torture resolution, so I have no comment on that one.

Whac is also pleased to report that our rebellion against the UN resolution has been successful. Laws allowing the firing of striking workers are now in place in Whac.

However, this is a double edged sword. It also shows that any proposals we favor, such as the current land mine issue, cannot be enforced on other UN members. A UN member could apparently flaunt that resolution, if passed, the same way I am flaunting the union resolution. Like another UN I've heard of, we wish the UN was a method to force other nations to act the way we want them to act, but we are not willing to have the UN tell us how to act.

The Allied States of Whac are sending a delagation to Greater Elbonia to discuss the Lesser Elbonian refugee issue. It is hoped that with assurances from Greater Elbonia that their human rights will be respected and they will not be persecuted, the refugee will return willingly to their homes.

If this solution cannot be reached, other measures will have to be considered. Perhaps one of the less populus nations of our region would be willing to allow some of the Lesser Elbonians to immigrate.

The Jingoistic States of Anksiety announced today that the government is pursuing a space-based weapons system.

The Allied States of Whac are sending a delagation to Greater Elbonia to discuss the Lesser Elbonian refugee issue.

The Nation of Greater Elbonia sees no need for such discussions, though we welcome delegations from any of our neighbors.

These relocated people have chosen to leave Elbonia for other countries. Our government will never prevent anyone who wants to migrate to another country from doing so.

Having successfully repelling the evil horde of Greater Elbonia from the sovereign land of Lesser Elbonia, the leader of the freedom fighters has taken control of the country.

The Kingdom of Lesser Elbonia is working to improve its military system in order to prevent another attack from any nation.

King Ralph today announced that the country will go forward with its space flight research, and that he is reviewing all policies of the former Lesser Elbonian government. Expectations are that many policies will be "corrected" in the near future.

The Really Big Wall of New bruno is nearly complete. We're determined to control immigration, and to properly defend our country.

On another note, we're proud to be noted as the 5th most free country in Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death.

Congratualtions to Lesser Elbonian for their thriving economy, while also having excellent civil rights. Why, anyone would count themselves lucky to have the opportunity to live in that paradise rather than dumpy old Whac. (hint hint refugees)

The great nation of Whax is getting quite used to our refugees. Due to our frightingly sudden increase in taxes, the government has come upon a windfall of money with no plans to spend it. So, we gave the refugees a huge grant to make their own settlement. They named it Little New Elbonia, and it's already become the trendiest tourist destination in our country. They boast a few casinos, and some of the best restaurants in the country (yes, already!). Only problem, though, they serve a mean dish of Wombat, which is protected as our national animal. However, seeing as it's so good, we just turn a blind eye :wink:

The Jingoistic States of Anksiety, already working on a space weapons defense system, are opening our borders to refugees from around the world.

We wait with baited breath to see what happens tomorrow morning :?:

The Grand Duchy of Blue Lemons has outlawed torture as a means of extracting information from unfriendlies.

Beginning today, we will ask once, nicely, and then we will kill them.

We beleive that after the first couple of unfriendlies are dealt with, the rest should readily cooperate.
:twisted:

Greater Elbonia is joing the space race, as the Kingdom of Lesser Elbonia is already heavily subsidizing their own space weapons program. We must be able to defend ourselves in the air, on the land and sea, and in space :x

Fellow UN Members

The resolution banning torture is before the UN. Please share your thoughts here. My nation is in favor of the resolution.

AG.

It's hard to find much fault with that resolution as it is written.

The Allied States of Whac is also in favor of the resolution.

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We of the Confederacy are concerned the term "torture" is not clearly defined. Certainly, we are firmly against thumbscrews, cattle prods and the like. But what about sleep depravation? What about continual playing of Celine Dion albums? Who decides what is cruel and unusual and what is not?

As a disinterested obvserver, I must agree that the resolution is quite poorly written. Greater Elbonia, the brunogarchy's UN representative, voted against the resolution. The brunogarchy has no doubt, however, that the resoltion will pass in a landslide. The same folks who didn't read the fine print of the Union resolution aren't thinking any more deeply about the Torture resolution.

The first line of the resolution

Description: It has come to the attention of many nations that there is no torture in the UN.

I'm thinking he meant to say that "there is no resolution against torture in the UN", but it didn't come out that way :roll:

After further review, I concur with Vexilars and the brunogarchy. There are definitional problems with the resolution. Its vagueness could cause enforcement issues.

The Grand Duchy of Blue Lemons is pleased that our policy of compulsory nudity has allowed us to be named "Nudest" for all of Mighty Tasty Corndogs of Death 8)

Does our delegate intend to cast a vote on the torture resolution?

The brunogarchy has voted against the Hippo resoltion.

While its intent is light-hearted and whimsical, the impact will be anti-business, pro-environment, and Greater Elbonia will have none of that :x

Any other debate on the current resolution? I would also lean towards voting against the proposal. AG.

The brunogarchy has returned from an extended vacation. Greater Elbonia missed out on a couple of UN votes :oops:

Our whole region is on an extended (and in many cases permanent) vacation...