NationStates Jolt Archive

This is our official condemnation of the recent actions of certain WBO/SATO nations which, we sincerely hope, do not represent the consensus of either organization. It is our hope that more level headed nations can convince their allies to abide by the rules of law and cease their illegal, irresponsible and destabilizing actions.

It seems that Knootoss has decided that what they cannot gain through legal diplomatic means they will seize through military intimidation. The government of Skargarden has invalidated a contract signed illegally by their president for the sale of an island off their coast. The president, it has been ruled, does not have the authority to sell land without the express consent of all other branches of government. Skargarden has announced the terms under which the colonists will be allowed to stay, but rather than respond to these new stipulations, Knootoss has called in a goon squad of militarized autocracies to enforce an invalidated contract. The basic principle of self determination requires the people of a nation be allowed to select their own government and the laws of that government. Knootoss is demanding a sovereign nation ignore the rule of law, abide by an illegal, unconstitutional contract, and hand over land rightfully still part of the nation of Skargarden.

Allow me to quote articles six and eight of the SATO charter.

6. That they will pursue a policy of peace with other nations where possible, but will be ready to back that up with force.

8. We will not use this alliance to pursue power for our own nations nor to pursue agendas of vengeance or land seizure.

It seems that SATO has been lax in the enforcement of their own principles. Skargarden has offered a peaceful method of compromise, but Knootoss is not interested for reasons quite beyond us. Furthermore, because there is currently no contract recognized by Skargarden as legal, Knootoss is attempting to use force to hold foreign territory. You will see these actions clearly violate articles six and eight respectively.

This is an open appeal to all nations to place pressure upon the Knootian government to withdraw their forces and the forces of their allies, and to re-enter negotiations with the Skargarden government. No one in Aperin is threatening the Knootian citizens on this island, no one in Aperin seeks war. It is the foreign armies that occupy our continent, the strong arm tactics of the increasingly extremist Knootian government, the unveiled threats against Skargarden should they fail to violate their own laws, that constitute the threat here.

I ask not for nations to take sides, but to appeal to peace. Skargarden has not stonewalled anyone, and is willing to negotiate. Do not allow conflict to be created where there is no reason or need.

Talia Ellman-Fogg
Minister of Politics
SeOCC

Knootoss doesn't account for the whole of SATO, he and all nations are doing this all on their own free terms.

OOC: You should stop breeding threads that are in connection with the 'tensions'. :wink:

IC:

Official Statement by the Grand Duchy of Tarasovka

The Grand Duchy, not being member of either the WBO or SATO and only tied to the Dutch Democratic Republic of Knootoss through the KRS-ONE treaty, does not care about any breaches of SATO charter resolutions by SATO nations. The Grand Duchy participates in those exercises to tighten its alliances with several other involved nations.

The Grand Duchy never had nor has any territorial claims in Aperin and is not interested in any land seizure inside of Aperin. The Democratic Republic of Knootoss and SATO nations are free to do what they deem necessary in the current situations. The Grand Duchy sees the contract of handing the island from the authority of Skargarden to the authority of Knootoss as legal and we denounce backstage pressure by CACE nations that forced the Governement of Skargarden to put up such a petty show of legal questioning and renouncing of their commitments.

We are also puzzled about why is it the nation of SeOCC that appeals to a solution in what appears to be an interior problem of Skargarden. Does SeOCC control Skargarden already?
We would like that statement to be made by the authorities that are directly concerned, not by third parties.

The Grand Duchy does not deny that it is "an authoritarian monarchy combined with parliamentary ruling". The Grand Duchy is proud of its ancestral culture and of its traditions. The People of the Grand Duchy love their country as it is. The People of the Grand Duchy live in full freedom, having the freedom of speech, of religion, of thought, of will. The People of the Grand Duchy can boast many things that the people in CACE nations only dream about.

Thank you for your attention.

OOC2:

Background on my nation:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68877

I appeal on behalf of the people of Watfordshire, to the governments of Knootoss, Tarasovka, Ruhria and indeed any other nation who feels that a solution to the continued 'tensions' in the Aperin region is an increase in military presence.

The situation on the island east of Skargarden, known to some as 'Nieuw Nederland', known to others as 'home' seems to the Shiree to be a simple legal disagreement. Why then are the combined military might of nations who have no 'business' in the region, adding to the problems facing civilians of Aperin and colonists alike?

We call for the nations involved in the heightened military presence to step back and let the simple legal dispute proceed in a rational and unpressurised manner.


In peace

Felix Jethoscopes
Shiree Herald to the UN

The Grand Duchy sees the contract of handing the island from the authority of Skargarden to the authority of Knootoss as legal and we denounce backstage pressure by CACE nations that forced the Governement of Skargarden to put up such a petty show of legal questioning and renouncing of their commitments.

How can you see it as legal when it isn't?
That's like seeing black and claim it is white!


We are also puzzled about why is it the nation of SeOCC that appeals to a solution in what appears to be an interior problem of Skargarden. Does SeOCC control Skargarden already?

No he doesn't, but the island is in the concern of the entire Aperin and SeOCC speaks better for the Aperin then I do.

The Grand Duchy sees the contract of handing the island from the authority of Skargarden to the authority of Knootoss as legal and we denounce backstage pressure by CACE nations that forced the Governement of Skargarden to put up such a petty show of legal questioning and renouncing of their commitments.

How can you see it as legal when it isn't?

Perhaps because they have only your word that it isn't, and you are, in this case, not credible.

Consider: You could have pointed out the supposed "illegality" of the contract at any time while the initial discussions were underway. You could have advised Knootoss that the contract was not, in fact, valid without the agreement of whatever other parties you now say had to be involved. Instead, you publicly confirmed that the island belonged to Knootoss. You then waited until after construction and development were well underway -- weeks later -- before retracting that position.

Couple that long delay with the timing of your other announcements, and it appears clear that a part of your governing body is indeed acting under duress -- from SeOCC and/or other Aperin nations. Perhaps that "truce" with Svea Riga isn't quite as promised?

Whatever the case, "I changed my mind" tends to be a poor legal strategy.

As for negotiations... I believe the World Court was already suggested as a possible solution, but it seems both SeOCC and Skargarden have chosen to ignore that proposal. This would appear to indicate that negotiation is not, in fact, desired on their parts.

Sakura Kitsuki

weeks later -- before retracting that position.




Actually more like a couple of days :wink: . Maybe not credible in your eyes but the WC isn't very credible in my eyes either so.

And what "initial discussions", we agreed OOC on msn nothing more. And it was the president who went public and said it was K's island.

Here's the whole happening procedure: K and President of Skargarden agrees on selling K an island outside Skargarden.
The rest of the governing body invalids the contract, declaring it isn't legal by Skargarden laws.

weeks later -- before retracting that position.




Actually more like a couple of days :wink: . Maybe not credible in your eyes but the WC isn't very credible in my eyes either so.

And what "initial discussions", we agreed OOC on msn nothing more. And it was the president who went public and said it was K's island.

Here's the whole happening procedure: K and President of Skargarden agrees on selling K an island outside Skargarden.
The rest of the governing body invalids the contract, declaring it isn't legal by Skargarden laws.

Actually more like a couple of days.

ooc: speaking of time, what time is it? have the wargames ended or what? can't help but notice the wargame members seem to have stashed it in stasis and conveniently not posted where their forces are.

Actually more like a couple of days.

ooc: speaking of time, what time is it? have the wargames ended or what? can't help but notice the wargame members seem to have stashed it in stasis and conveniently not posted where their forces are.

OOC:

Taraskovyan Naval Battlegroup - enjoying bright sunny days off the coast of Skargarden, still in its territorial waters.

Taraskovyan 24th NGF MI Division - temporarily dislocated somewhere in Skargarden :?

Taraskovyan NGF SODAT 14th and 16th Regiments - waiting calmly on the VTOL carriers in the Taraskovyan Naval Battlegroup, polishing their armor, talking stories, laughing at jokes, awaiting to be Meteor Dropped from High Altitude Dropships any time anywhere :?

Shoul I post it ICly in the Wargames thread or an OOC post in this thread is enough? :wink:

I hope you don’t mind me copypasting parts of the rebuke of the last propaganda stunt? I’ll insert the rest then. Thank you.

IC:
Response by the Knootian government in yet another press conference:

Prime Minister Lousewies van der Laan sat behind a light brown bureau in a well-lit room in Nieuwspoort, the main press centre in the Hague. The international press had assembled and was taking pictures of the Prime Minister and several accompanying officials.

“Hi, thank you all for coming again”, she greeted warmly and smiled at some of the front-row journalists. “Let me cut right to the case – that is how you prefer it. Frankly I am appalled by how the CACE nations seem to want to spin every action our government takes into anticapitalist propaganda. I’m sure they will somehow spin our recent decision to make the Drion pill more universally available into oppression of the proletariat somehow.”

The journalists laughed wholeheartedly as Lousewies was turning on the charm. She made the exact same joke the last time too, only using a different policy.

“I mean – let’s face it here people. This is complete nonsense. Knootoss is a liberal democracy and a longstanding member of the UN, even the representative of the Netherlands there when the merger is complete. We have always advocated sentient rights, are members of the New Collateral World Court, the Ur Trade Pact, the United Nations Against Organisation against Tyranny and Oppression, etc. To put us in the corner with the evil alliances is simply ridiculous. If there is one free and liberal democracy in this world it’s us. Mostly to the annoyance of our more conservative allies”, her eyes twinkled and a giggle came from the first rows again.

“As Prime Minister I get paid regardless of what I do so I might as well make some money explaining the obvious to you guys and gals of the international press here. I even suggest that we turn this into a weekly event: the refuting CACE propaganda hour.”, more laughs.

The Prime Minister now was more serious, as she presented the arguments for her case:

We am openly telling you here, today, that we have nothing but peaceful intentions. But with Skargardens recent threats of considering our legitimate ownership an ‘act of war’ we have had no choice but to consider measures.

Our repeated requests for ‘talks first’ have been ignored. The World Court mediation has been denied. An eerie feeling is crawling on us that the puppetmasters behind this may actually want this to escalate.

I believe that if everyone truly has in interest in peace they will see wisdom and let us come to the table together. I once more invite the Skargarden government to send their diplomats to The Hague for talks. I believe that the recently restored ‘peace palace’ which once hosted the League of Nations and several international courts would be an ideal setting for such bilateral talks.

To the CACE, and more specifically the agitators in the rogue nation of SeOCC I would like to say: keep out. Let these things be settled peacefully, as is customary between civilised states. An imperialist state that is in open support of ‘Volunteer Army’ terrorism has no place calling for peace. However we will distinguish the message from it’s sender.

We too, call upon the international community to appeal for peace as well, together and to save your condemnations for those who truly deserve it. For example join us in our condemnation of the Belem governments insane treatment of homosexuals. We believe all UN delegates should support the resolution that is currently waiting for enough endorsements to be brought to a vote.

We were glad with the decision by the Skargarden government to sell us this island. The Aperin mainland was the communities first choice but we managed to persuade them that this would have caused too much of a diplomatic row. Knootoss is a pacifist nation and we have no desire for conflict. In fact I believe that with acquiring this island we may have prevented a major international incident.

OOC: you (defined as in non-CACE nations journalists) can ask questions if you want to.

Ravenspire already pointed it out. Skargarden: to quote your most reliable source…. Yourself:

OOC:I know have both the documents in my hands, I will work night shift and since it's incredibly boring in the night shifts I'll have these and a book with me.
A statement on wich side I'll chose is to come during the next 2 days.

And yes, the deal about the island that Knootoss owns is legal since the president signed it.

ooc: FOE did you get my TG?/Check your TG
And about the island, let me put it this way. It's Knootoss island, Knootoss owns the island, the island is now since Knootoss have purchased it... his island, what happens with it now I don't really give a damn about.

The ‘RL law’ thing is bullocks, as you already stated your law as it was. Here in NS a deal is a deal.So please don’t pretend you are not OOCly changing your story here because SeOCC most likely told you to. The fact that you are calling me ‘K’ now says a lot too. That’s SeOCCs nickname for me. Please call me Knootoss or Knoot. Frankly I am not buying it. I further note that you approved the post as it was. It’s a damn shame I did not log those conversations.

If you have an alternative proposal or want to take up the offer of negotiations in The Hague please TG me.

OOC: Just a point here.

A president of a nation should be aware of the law regarding treaties. If he is not, he should have advisors who do. In no way should he be able to sign a treaty without going through lawyers and others who know the nation's procedures on treaties. If he signed without going through proceedure he is either a fool or a pawn. Both cases do no reflect well on the government of Skargarden.

If he did go through procedure (thus avoiding the fool or pawn scenario) the island belongs to Knootoss.

tag

weeks later -- before retracting that position.




Actually more like a couple of days :wink: . Maybe not credible in your eyes but the WC isn't very credible in my eyes either so.

OOC: Careful. Note that my post was IC.

In IC terms, it has been weeks, if not months. How do we know this? Because Knootoss's settlers arrived and began construction and such. That doesn't happen in "a couple of days." Not unless he had a whole flotilla waiting just off the coast of that island.

And what "initial discussions", we agreed OOC on msn nothing more. And it was the president who went public and said it was K's island.


OOC: Actually, you also said so OOC. (I'd post the quote, but Knootoss already did so.) You also, OOC, said it was legal. Your recent IC posts are therefore either a mistake on the speakers' part or an attempted retcon. Since you are now insisting, OOC, that the contract isn't legal, we can assume that it must be a retcon.

This is bad RP. It's also stupid from an IC context; Sunset has pointed out why.

Here's the whole happening procedure: K and President of Skargarden agrees on selling K an island outside Skargarden.
The rest of the governing body invalids the contract, declaring it isn't legal by Skargarden laws.

OOC: Okay, then. Why did the "rest of the governing body" wait so long to do so? Why the convenient timing? And if this was in fact your intent all along, why did you post OOC saying that the contract was legal and that Knootoss owned the island? Why didn't you say so IC, and then add an OOC note to the effect "Psst, the contract is really not valid?"

Now, for my part, I could hardly care less, because frankly I'm seeing piss-poor RP from you, SeOCC, and Knootoss on this set of threads. But if it comes down to justifications, I'd have to say the advantage is with Knootoss, because you're pretty clearly retracting an OOC assurance you had previously offered.

OOC:

I'm not going to be dragged into the "whose RP is worse" debate, but seriously Knoot, I want to know why you insist on going on with this.

All sides have said some pretty nasty OOC things about the other, and I really think it would be best if both groups just went their seperate ways for a while.

This whole thing has become interminably dull, and should be out out of its misery now.

OOC:
Well, I explained loads of times 'why' so you know now. Also I don't feel like being heavily mocked and humiliated again by SeOCC for "never accomplishing anything blahblah." which is only because he never allows anyone else to score a point. ICly and OOCly this is now a matter of principle for me.

Also, I cannot be held responsible for what other people say or do.

Really, if you want to be done with it then simply leave the island as it is. It's as simple as that. I'll finish my story about how the colonists fare which will give a nice introspective about Knootian culture and you just leave it alone. If you do that we can all just demobilise, the allied troops can go home too and the troops on the island can be reduced to a Skeleton guard. No prob there. Just stopping the flaming over nothing.

If you just do that it will not be a "prelude to war" or anything, really. :roll: but for afforementioned reasons I'm not giving up that piece of land just because all the flaming from both sides is totally destroying every kind of RP.

Heck, if that can be agreed on I'll even go with the FOE-controlled people on the island. I know you to be a reasonable person so please tell me what you think?

*cough* BUMP because of all the "lets conveniently ignore Knoot" talk on your board.

*cough* BUMP because of all the "lets conveniently ignore Knoot" talk on your board.

*cough* BUMP because of all the "lets conveniently ignore Knoot" talk on your board.

There's no 'conveniently' about it. Knootoss has been brewing trouble for us for months and has forced us into YA RP when we don't want it and we're all bored with it, all over some OOC perception that SeOCC has somehow 'scored a point'. This RP should have been over ages ago and it isn't only because of Knootoss holding an OOC grudge. All other parties want it dropped and shoved quietly under the carpet where we can forget about it.

*cough* BUMP because of all the "lets conveniently ignore Knoot" talk on your board.

There's no 'conveniently' about it. Knootoss has been brewing trouble for us for months and has forced us into YA RP when we don't want it and we're all bored with it, all over some OOC perception that SeOCC has somehow 'scored a point'. This RP should have been over ages ago and it isn't only because of Knootoss holding an OOC grudge. All other parties want it dropped and shoved quietly under the carpet where we can forget about it.

Then simply leave the island be. I just offered you something. Did you not read it?

Added explanation to that: it's a deal between ME and SKARGARDEN: you could just shrug you know. Because it is this island it doesn't involve any grey zones or the CACE or whatever.

Btw, expect something from Skargarden later tonight.

Of course it involves us. We don't want a colony of a nation we know to have had hostile intent towards us in the very recent past parked on our doorstep. Would you want SeOCC to set up a colony, complete with full EDW, ten miles off your coastline? Or me? I've got five guys in a canoe with slingshots.

*cough* BUMP because of all the "lets conveniently ignore Knoot" talk on your board.

There's no 'conveniently' about it. Knootoss has been brewing trouble for us for months and has forced us into YA RP when we don't want it and we're all bored with it, all over some OOC perception that SeOCC has somehow 'scored a point'. This RP should have been over ages ago and it isn't only because of Knootoss holding an OOC grudge. All other parties want it dropped and shoved quietly under the carpet where we can forget about it.

Then simply leave the island be. I just offered you something. Did you not read it?

From the thread in the CACE bar and grill regarding ingnoring the whole shebang:



I, the player behind the SSerene Socialist Republic of Xikuang, am ignoring Knootoss's claim to the island. I am content to let the colonists remain if and only if:

*Skargarden says it's okay for them to stay

*No non-Skargardeni military presence exists there

*No one shall be obliged to have anything to do with that island

*No trouble for any of us in the CACE or in Aperin is forthcoming from that island or anything having to do with it in the form of transport ships/aircraft/whatever, supply ships/aircraft/whatever, or anything else connnected in any way with that island, ever

*That island is never, ever used in PR spin as a lever to drive anyone to war

*Whatever transpires between Knootoss and Nieuw-Nederland, Nieuw-Nederland shall not be offered the Bridge Treaty

In short, I don't care if it stays there or not just so long as I don't ever have to look at it/hear about it/ deal with it in any capacity and neither does anyone else. If anyone wants to enter into peaceble RP with it, cool, fine, a bunch of Christians and cultural exchange doesn't bother me, but I won't have it used as a political vehicle for any further antagonism. If Knootoss can agree to those terms, fine.

If not, I'll just take it off the map. (edit: actually, I'll just relabel it. I won't go vanishing any of Skargarden's islands. )

There's my official position.

OOC: you don't want it ICly, but if it's properly done I don't see why it should be ignored. Anyways, I don't intend on going all n00kzors on ya.

anyways...

Knootian-Skargardian island crisis resolved (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=95335)

At least Knootoss and Skargarden don't have a problem anymore. Nothing more to see here people...

OOC: you don't want it ICly, but if it's properly done I don't see why it should be ignored. Anyways, I don't intend on going all n00kzors on ya.

Glad to hear it. You can be quite secure in the knowledge that none of us have even the barest inkling of a trace of a smidge of an inclination to go all n00kzors on you.

On you go then, best of luck. Peace.

-X

OOC: you don't want it ICly, but if it's properly done I don't see why it should be ignored. Anyways, I don't intend on going all n00kzors on ya.

Glad to hear it. You can be quite secure in the knowledge that none of us have even the barest inkling of a trace of a smidge of an inclination to go all n00kzors on you.

On you go then, best of luck. Peace.

-X

Good to hear. :)

This doesn't mean I am complying with your 'you may selectively ignore the island' terms. Just posting my intentions. If the situation calms down I will also be able to withdraw most of my troops.

Semi-IC As a gesture of goodwill: if the deal is accepted by the rest of you I'll move back to DEFCON 4. :D

OOC: you don't want it ICly, but if it's properly done I don't see why it should be ignored. Anyways, I don't intend on going all n00kzors on ya.

Glad to hear it. You can be quite secure in the knowledge that none of us have even the barest inkling of a trace of a smidge of an inclination to go all n00kzors on you.

On you go then, best of luck. Peace.

-X

Good to hear. :)

This doesn't mean I am complying with your 'you may selectively ignore the island' terms. Just posting my intentions. If the situation calms down I will also be able to withdraw most of my troops.

Semi-IC As a gesture of goodwill: if the deal is accepted by the rest of you I'll move back to DEFCON 4. :D

Skargarden has made their statement and I'll live by that, no problem, just so long as the military base thing is handled sensibly and with proper and reasonable diplomacy. Like I said, so long as this is a vehicle for decent, peaceful RP and not a medium for trouble, I'm not bothered with it, and I'm very happy to let the situation calm down. To be quite honest, I just don't want to be angry with you anymore. If we all just have some time and space to back off frm each other for a wee while, it will do us all a world of good. I hope that's cool with you.

That's cool with me.

And a belated apology for the 'insensitive you-know-what' comment. It appears I was wrong. Sorry.

There's no 'conveniently' about it. Knootoss has been brewing trouble for us for months and has forced us into YA RP when we don't want it and we're all bored with it, all over some OOC perception that SeOCC has somehow 'scored a point'. This RP should have been over ages ago and it isn't only because of Knootoss holding an OOC grudge. All other parties want it dropped and shoved quietly under the carpet where we can forget about it.

Funny:

1. Knootoss (Or me, i have read that statement in the past) are supposed to have an ooc grudge against CACE.

Funny thing is, reading the CACE boards, it seems like you are the one having said grudge. Sorry, but calling everyone from Lavenrunz to Menelmacar, from DA to Stephistan names, always complaining about evil capitalist mods... that doesn´t exactly sound like you`re all happy. Nor does it sound constructive, for that matter.

Besides, what did you do? Knootoss gave you a chance to split SATO. He was on his friggin way to switch alliances. What did you do? Insulted him. What happens IRL when a nation comes to another and pleas for help, but is rejected in the most insulting ways? They will be pissed off. Nothing unrealistic about it.

If you aren´t able to understand such basic principles, then there is no help for you. Funny enough, In the real world, sometimes, things happen you don´t like. Unfortunately, you can´t ignore them. Well, this game is supposed to simulate politics. Deal with it.

2. Oh, and 'convenient ignores'. You may not have noticed it, but several CACE members conveniently ignore anything they don´t like. Of course, everybody else is supposed to play after their rules, i presume because of the inherent superiority of anticapitalism.

Well, It`s sad that i have to bring the news to you, but this is not possible.

As long as you fail to realise that this is just a game, as long as you fail to respect your fellow players, no matter what they play, there is no hope for you, but struggling against the urge to flame in the NS forums rather than on your own boards.

Ah, and as a last note i would like to mention that it wasn`t us who started it. WE just planned small wargames in a neutral nation. YOU created a mess. If you don`t realise that, good, no problem, but don`t bother us.

Edit, and btw, when you begin to start a little flamethread in your boards regarding this post, post a link to here, it´s convenient for me. After all, being your object of hate cannot mean to exclude me from the party...

The reality is, SATO is a fake dead enterprise....with no unified voice or action and only one or two loyal members....it was a still born alliance that has never won itself glory except in its own propoganda . At Its birth it made a pledge to uphold the treay of Lye? HAR! Lye is now part of the Iesus Christi Victory Islands and St Dominic liberated! SATO is the violated stained whore, the bitch for every dog in town!
SATOs true nature has been and always will be nothing more than a cover for western imperialistic actions.a shamefull cover for the louts of western colonialism.

Bridgette Iesus

'Cartographers place Iesus Christi at East pole of NS world.'

~Crap midnight TV.

Ah, and as a last note i would like to mention that it wasn`t us who started it. WE just planned small wargames in a neutral nation. YOU created a mess. If you don`t realise that, good, no problem, but don`t bother us.


OOC:

Oh for goodness sake, can't you just let this drop. Nothing would give me more pleasure than to not bother you.

Besides, what did you do? Knootoss gave you a chance to split SATO. He was on his friggin way to switch alliances. What did you do? Insulted him. What happens IRL when a nation comes to another and pleas for help, but is rejected in the most insulting ways? They will be pissed off. Nothing unrealistic about it.
...

OOC: that better be secret OOC angsty ;) you are so far the only person/nation outside of Knootoss to ICly know this because of the documents you, umh, 'found'. :P

Besides, what did you do? Knootoss gave you a chance to split SATO. He was on his friggin way to switch alliances. What did you do? Insulted him. What happens IRL when a nation comes to another and pleas for help, but is rejected in the most insulting ways? They will be pissed off. Nothing unrealistic about it.
...

OOC: that better be secret OOC angsty ;) you are so far the only person/nation outside of Knootoss to ICly know this because of the documents you, umh, 'found'. :P

That's not so secret as you might think. We may not have documents, so we may not have proof, but we've got predictive capacity. ;)

Juat another plea to all sides: please, let's just let the whole thing drop. There's been enough trouble over this and I trust none of us wants to make any more trouble for the others. I really don't want to have anything to do with this ever again, and as long as I don't have to, I'll be happy, just please, no more.

DA, I certainly don't want to bother you. Not after that submarine. *shudder* That thing gave me the creeps.

Somewhere in the Federal Republic:

"Bridgette Iesus called SATO a stained whore..."
-Soldier 1
"Isnt that ironic?Isnt there a video on the internet of her getting screwed by a goat while worshiping Satan?"
-Soldier 2
"No thats the new Paris Hilton sex tape."
-Soldier 1

Besides, what did you do? Knootoss gave you a chance to split SATO. He was on his friggin way to switch alliances. What did you do? Insulted him. What happens IRL when a nation comes to another and pleas for help, but is rejected in the most insulting ways? They will be pissed off. Nothing unrealistic about it.
...

OOC: that better be secret OOC angsty ;) you are so far the only person/nation outside of Knootoss to ICly know this because of the documents you, umh, 'found'. :P
Well, I'd know too, hon... owning a third of SOLDATS helps...

~Siri

ooc: actually, Siri is right... shared the information quite some time ago with the rest of SATO, when you were a... problematic case :P

OOC: you went behind my back? you sneak?! :P And still blackmailing me with it too! This truly warrants a ":twisted: "