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This is the thread of the peace coalition of the confederation of libertarians.

Members are :

Tropical Montana
Udlandover
Twin Palms TRees
Middleton
Psylos
Elleuse
Svecia
Senoj
Balligomingo

Our mission :

Following the recent turmoilin the region, this organisation's aim is to encourage peace in our region by the use diplomacy and economic/political sanctions.

A trade embargo on Eerak has been adopted by the coalition for its rearming and involvment in the Her Sexyness war. We feel that this trade embargo will not be effective if it is not clearly explained and transparent to the Eeraki government. We also feel that the ending conditions of this trade embargo have to be clearly stated so as to give Eerak a direction to follow and so as to end as soon as possible this embargo which is harming both the coalition and the innocent Eeraki population.

Therefore, we are willing to discuss those conditions with the coalition before discussing it with Eerak. We have made this draft resolution for the complete end of the trade embargo which we feel is reasonable :



Recognising the threat that Eerak represents to peace in the region and
recognising the needs for security in Eerak,

We, the peace coalition member are immediately stopping all trade with Eerak, except products with medical purpose and food products.
This embargo will completely end as soon as the following conditions are met :

1. Complete removal of Eeraki troops from foreign land.
2. Recognition of basic human rights by the Eeraki government (ie. the civil rights improve to "some").
3. Implementation of basic freedom of speech and release of political prisoners condemned for their speech (ie. the Political Freedoms improve to "rare").

When the conditions are met, all trade will return as normal and nations refusing to open its trade to Eerak will have to face consequences.



Please discuss those conditions, and add new ones if you have other conserns or just vote for those conditions. Those draft conditions will be adopted in a coalition resolution as of Monday if no comments are made and if 4 or more members vote for those conditions.

Psylos votes FOR those conditions.

Tropical Montana votes FOR these conditions

and suggests that an improvement to political rights should also be included. If the Eeraki people could have more say in the government, they could help effect better civil and human rights. Plus, that way the Peace Coalition would be able to eventually wash their hands of this messy affair, and leave it up to the citizens of Eerak.

OOC: Got a recruitment thread? We really need more peaceful alliances on NS.

OOC: Got a recruitment thread? We really need more peaceful alliances on NS.

I've got a peace alliance...

Give PEACE a chance! (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91172&highlight=)

:)

Twin Palm Trees, in light of recent events within the Confederation, has adopted a policy of non-entanglement, we will also embargo Eerak. However, do not expect us to adjust our foreign policy on your accounts. We follow our own interests and, for now, they happen to coincide with these Peace Summits.

In Defense of our Liberty

-Twin Palm Trees

Twin Palm Trees, in light of recent events within the Confederation, has adopted a policy of non-entanglement, we will also embargo Eerak. However, do not expect us to adjust our foreign policy on your accounts. We follow our own interests and, for now, they happen to coincide with these Peace Summits.

In Defense of our Liberty

-Twin Palm TreesI suppose this is Twin Palm Trees (login error).

The embargo will only be effective if it is enforced by a large part of the confederation therefore we believe it is in the interest of Twin Palm Trees to coordinate its actions with the coalition. I consider the statement above to be a YES vote to the ending conditions of the embargo. We believe that if 4 or more nation accept those conditions, they will be effective. Anyway, the nations who are not willing to sign for this ending conditions will be highly encouraged to end the sanctions when the conditions are met.

The aim is to give Eerak a guarantee that the embargo will be immediately ended as soon as the necessary steps are taken on its side and that the coalition will not tolerate any unilateral isolation of Eerak after those conditions are met.

OOC: Got a recruitment thread? We really need more peaceful alliances on NS.This coalition was a regional one at first, but I see no problem if other nations are willing to join. You can use this thread if you want to take part in the coalition or to support it.

You have to be a peaceful nation and to be willing to resolve conflicts without the use of force and be willing to enforce peace by diplomatic and economic/political means around the world.

The first step in joining would be to put a embargo on Eerak who has been engaged in a process of militarisation and a logic of war with Her Sexyness since a few weeks now. We must address a strong and united warning to Eerak and redirect this nation in the right path of peace.

Tropical Montana votes FOR these conditions

and suggests that an improvement to political rights should also be included. If the Eeraki people could have more say in the government, they could help effect better civil and human rights. Plus, that way the Peace Coalition would be able to eventually wash their hands of this messy affair, and leave it up to the citizens of Eerak.That is an interesting suggestion in our opinion. We will add it to the draft list of conditions. Improving democracy in Eerak can only better the future of the confederation.

As a country evaluating membership in the Confederation we would like to make the following suggestions regarding the draft conditions for the complete end of the trade embargo of the Republic of Eerak:

1) It seems unwise to require the "Complete destruction of Eeraki weapons" without some security guarantees. Perhaps requesting that they establish a minimum level of weapons and a declaration that they are reserved for defensive purposes only would be acceptable to the Confederation.

2) Requiring release of "all political prisoners" crosses over the line of international relations and into the internal affairs of Eeraki. If members of the Confederation have documented cases of persons who clearly should never have been imprisoned then review of those specific cases should be requested.

Fred
Water Brother
Minister of International Relations

I would like to join the coalition. I am a peace activist and believe in non-violence/civil disobedience.

1) It seems unwise to require the "Complete destruction of Eeraki weapons" without some security guarantees. Perhaps requesting that they establish a minimum level of weapons and a declaration that they are reserved for defensive purposes only would be acceptable to the Confederation.
Agreed, but it is worth to note that Eerak was a gun free country before it started acting bellicose. We would like to see it remain gun free for the security of all the members of the coalition. Please tell us if you don't agree.
Anyway it is right to say that this demand is unreasonable without security guarantees. I suggest we commit troops from the coalition to take care of the security of Eerak. Those troops would be administered by Eerak but would not be allowed to operate outside Eerak and would have to report to the coalition. Psylos is willing to commit 50 000 troops. If other members are interested in this suggestion please state so of if other members have other solutions to suggest, please tell us as well.

2) Requiring release of "all political prisoners" crosses over the line of international relations and into the internal affairs of Eeraki. If members of the Confederation have documented cases of persons who clearly should never have been imprisoned then review of those specific cases should be requested.Agreed we will just request the implementation of free speech against the government and the release of prisoners condemned for their speech against the government, down from all the political prisoners.

Anyway, as we understand it you are willing to join the coalition. We add your name to the list of signatories and suggest you stop all trade with Eerak except medical and food trade.

I don't feel it is required for the coalition to commit troops in order to provide security guaranties. Please keep in mind that the movement of troops is one of the most provocative actions a country can take, regardless of the intention.

It is our option that the only real solution to regional security would be the tighter integration of Eeraki in the Confederation. As an example, of the difficulty in trying to restrict the size of another nation's military, review what happened in Germany between the two world wars.

Currently Balligomingo has no trade relations with the Republic of Eeraki. Requests for humanitarian assistance would be considered should Eeraki show signs of moving in the direction requested by the Coalition.

Fred
Water Brother
Minister of International Relations

I do not agree with sending coalition troops to Eerak, as the presence of outside military will only encourage the extremist Eerakis to go underground, and perhaps would pose a risk to the troops stationed there. However, I would be agreeable to allowing Eerak to keep their weapons, if they agreed to keep all such forces on Eeraki soil. Any movement of armed Eerakis out of their country would constitute aggression, but we see no problem with their keeping their arms as long as they are used for national security on home soil. There is always the fear that they will use the weapons against their own people, but hopefully the requirement of improved civil and political rights will alleviate this.

OK we will let Eerak have weapons then but they will not be allowed to leave Eerak.

The Commonwealth of Balligomingo votes FOR those conditions.

Note: Psylos, nice work! Your country has done a great service for the betterment of the Confederation. Do your contacts have any information as to how these conditions will be received by Eerak?

Fred
Water Brother &
Minister of International Relations

Thanks, we think this is a wonderful team achievement if we are able to reach a consensus about exactly what we are asking to Eerak.

As precedently stated, we will present this resolution to Eerak on Monday if no coalition member has any consern about this resolution. We will invite Eerak to discuss with us about the resolution and we hope we will reach a consensus with Eerak as well. Eerak will be invited via the confederation forum to discuss the issues with us in this coalition forum. We hope Eerak will understand our conserns and take quick steps so the security of the confederation is guaranteed, the freedom and civil rights of its population is guaranted, and the embargo can end for the mutual benefit of us all. However we will remain open minded to Eeraki proposals regarding the issues at hand and we hope the coalition will be as well.

Doesn't this need one more YES vote?

Fred
Water Brother &
Minister of International Relations

Doesn't this need one more YES vote?

Fred
Water Brother &
Minister of International RelationsActually I think I have 4 yes votes : TM, yourself, Twin Palm Trees and Psylos.
Anyway, as many nation are not logging so often to nationstates, it will be difficult to know their opinions. Therefore, I think it is wise to consider the position of nations not posting any comment to be for the resolution. Do you think it is wrong?

Four votes is all the is required. :D

If the other nations are not logging in to give their opinion that should not be taken as a positive vote. If not enough votes HAD been given then we should to go back to the region and try and drum up some additional votes.

We agree with all the proposed resolutions, although understanding that this is subject to Eeraks definition of defensive militarisation. Under this resolution, if the Eeraki government concludes that WMD's are needed to protect it's borders, then it is done. The people of Elleuse will support no such weaponry, and will not lift it's trade sanctions if this is found to be the case.

Failing to vote should not be assumed to be a positive vote, but an abstention. We have had four opinions posted, all in agreement, so the vote is 4-0. That seems like a majority to me. However, I know that Elleuse is with us on this, and will prompt them to post their opinion so as to provide a quorum.

Balligomingo agrees with Elleuse. Possession of WMDs by Eerak should not be accepted and should be grounds for continuing the embargo. Psylos could you please add that to the terms if acceptable by the other signers?

Fred
Water Brother &
Minister of International Relations

The list of Peace Coalition members numbers nine. With the addition of Elleuse's participation in this thread, we have five Coalition members agreeing to the following:

1. To engage in active trade embargo with Eerak (excluding food and medical supplies).

2. To lift those sanctions once Eerak has met the following conditions:
a. To improve civil rights to "some".
b. To improve political rights to "some".
c. To commit to dismantling all WMD. and
d. To commit to confining all military activity to within their own borders.

3. To re-engage the trade embargo should Eerak fail to maintain the above stipulations.

If any Coalition Members oppose any of these conditions, please speak up by Monday, otherwise we will assume we have a quorum and a majority and the embargo will take effect.

Are we in agreement?

The Commonwealth of Balligomingo votes FOR the current draft conditions.

Fred
Water Brother &
Minister of International Relations

The Republic of Elleuse votes FOR the amended proposal.

The Parliament of Udlandover voted yes in favour of the resolution concerning Eerak. The bill was signed today by PM Clive Bloggs

Based on the news reports out of Eerak this embargo seems to have had the desired effect before we have even finished voting on it!

Hopefully the Eeraki news media will continue to provide updates on the changes now taking place within that country.

Following the recent turn of event, that is the regime change in Eerak, we suggest to lift the sanctions imediately, because :

1. As previously stated, those sanctions are harming the confederation
2. The sanctions will not help Eerak meet the conditions, and may even be counter-productive
3. The new government has never declared war yet and we believe the "innocent until proven guilty" precept applies.

We think it would be wise to give the new government some time to implement changes. We think we could give Eerak a delay of 1 month to make progress. If no progress has been made during that period, then the sanctions will be applied.

Anyway, we would like to congratulate the people of Eerak for their courage in the uprising. We see a bright future for this country and our relationship.

Tropical Montana's understanding of the politics in Eerak suggests that they cannot be trusted at face value. Their country's disarming was just a ploy to leave their weapons where they could return to them and begin warmongering again.. We have been told before that things were changing in Eerak, and yet whatever changes were made had no lasting effect on civil or political rights for the people. We fear that this "regime change" may just be a ploy to get us to let up on the sanctions. Have we gotten any outside confirmation of the supposed events in Eerak? Has any official from Eerak sought outside advisement on how to improve conditions in their nation?

Tropical Montana would rather err on the side of caution and keep sanctions in place until we have some concrete proof of Eerak's willingness to change. We propose that we keep sanctions in place for the period of two weeks to allow for the new Eeraki government to at least make some baby steps in the right direction before sanctions are lifted. Keep in mind that the previous dictator's loyalists are still roaming free in that nation, and that their weapons are still available for a counter-coup.

We say give the new government time to get established and show us some progress on human rights before we take this regime change as a permanent improvement in Eerak. Reports originating from Eerak have been notoriously misleading in the past.

Whats going on with this trouble some nation now?

The people of the Republic of Elleuse take the position of agreement with Tropical Montana and Psylos in keeping the embargo in place until solid efforts have been made by the new Eeraki regime to abide by the conditions set forth by the Peace Coalition. We commend the people of Eerak for their brave up-heaval of a dysfunctional regime, but would ask for a briefing on the State of the State, (as we aticipate a civil uprising brought about by loyalists of the old regime), and a proposed plan of change. We would like to offer any ambassadorial assistance you deem necessary for diplomatic peace negotiations within your borders, although we will recognize, but not condone any raising of arms against this opressor.
-Peace to All

We have seen a small effort of good faith by the people of Eerak. It has been said, namely by the Guarded Land of Twin Palm Trees and Tropical Montana that these words have been spoken before by this nation with a forked tongue. If this is true, then perhpas the embargo should stay in place until definite changes have been seen. Short of that, perhaps the ban should be lifted with a list of conditions, i.e. A definite plan of governmental change and/or a basic rise of civil rights and political freedoms as outlined earlier in this thread. In any case, I believe the decision should be based on the popular vote of ALL members of the Coalition.
-Peace to All

Furthermore, we belive the Peace Coalition should remain active, if nothing more than a regional watchdog group.