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What is our interpretation of Marxism

We interpret Marxism as the organisation of labour and its direction toward the common good of all concerned.
This can be achieved by through a system of Soviets or "Councils" that are small groups of about 1000 people who work together for their own benefit. The harder the worker toils and toils, the more that is produced by the Soviet that can be distributed between the workers, the more produced, the more each worker gets. We believe that Soviets also have the right to trade with each other whether in expertise or in goods and equipment, a limited inclusion of competition and capitalism.
For example, a Agricultural Soviet and a Machinery Soviet decide to trade with each other, the Agricultural Soviet trading food for harvesting machinery from the Machinery Soviet. The Agricultural and Machinery Soviets would each send a man to maintain the machines or to ensure that the foodstuffs are properly stored and maintained.

Each worker gets an equal share.
You would think that this can cause lazyness, stagnation.
Nay we say!
An unproductive Soviet is an unearning Soviet.

Rich and Poor?

Their is one constant within Human economics, a factor that can never be eliminated; Rich and Poor.
Some Humans will always be richer than other Humans whether in intelligence, personality, moral and ethical fibre, material wealth or simply love. We encourage this but in a muchmore narrower sense.

Competition in material wealth is not to be set between individual humans but between individual Soviets.

In terms of other areas; intelligence, personality, moral and ethical fibre and love; we see these areas as unstoppable and undefeatable, why try to fight it?
Envy is no sin, envy of anothers luck in non material wealth is quite helpful for it encourages one to improve himself, to better oneself beyone material means and measure.

interesting. if you're interested in having having a big fat argument about this with other anti-capitalists hit the CACE board (www.invisionfree.com/forums/cace). arguing this kind of stuff in public is an invitation for no-nothings to post 'nook ju commy!' or whatever. i'm glad i'm bad at leet speak.

interesting. if you're interested in having having a big fat argument about this with other anti-capitalists hit theCACE board (www.invisionfree.com/forums/cace). arguing this kind of stuff in public is an invitation for no-nothings to post 'nook ju commy!' or whatever. i'm glad i'm bad at leet speak.

I will, however I also would find it interesting to match wits with the die-hard anti-soviets in the international community.

Manal Ganex
Chairman of the Soviet Conference
The Federation of Worker Soviets

Interesting ideas. We do not agree, but it's your nation so good luck to you and we hope that you do not have too much trouble from the Corporate States.

i like your thesis but you have said nothing about workers with children is it not for each according to his need so what is your thesis on them eh should they not get more for their children

i like your thesis but you have said nothing about workers with children is it not for each according to his need so what is your thesis on them eh should they not get more for their children

Of course this Soviet thesis could be expanded further. A general fund could be set up that is alloted a certain amount of funds each year by the Soviet, a percentage of all that wealth that is created is siphoned off to such a fund before the rest of the wealth is divided equally amongst the workers. This fund would provide for the old, the disabled, education, healthcare and child benefit. An inspector would be appointed to 'inspect' the beneficiaries and to assatain who recieves the benefits of such a fund.

Manal Ganex
Chairman of the Soviet Conference
The Federation of Worker Soviets

it looks like it is a series of smaller states. each trading with each other.

my concern would be with any major projects that the greater state would like to undertake. that any producing goods that require more than 1000 people.

it looks like it is a series of smaller states. each trading with each other.

my concern would be with any major projects that the greater state would like to undertake. that any producing goods that require more than 1000 people.

The Soviet Conference would negotiate who did what and everyone would cooperate for the benefit of the entire federation.

Manal Ganex
Chairman of the Soviet Conference
The Federation of Worker Soviets

hey thanx for that i thought as much but i was just checking you hadnt for gotten about things like that. Oh and i really hope stupid facists come and say things like "oh well youre just a load of commie pigs anyway" cause you have a really good thesis and i think it the closest interpretation of Marx i have seen in along time, so i hope they all take either an attiude like Crimmond or they challenge it interlectually instead of just"bleedin' commie". You however are braver than i am i tried to take on the facists and they just kept spewing out unfounded bigoted rubbish.

I must admit I find this variant of Marxist production both interesting and potentially rewarding. If you talk about trading between Soviets, does that mean you do not use currency?

And if you trade for goods, who determines the ratio of goods as valued against each other? For instance: how many shoes would a truck be worth? And what kind of administration do you use for such a system? After all, such a trading system requires a huge, completely huge communications and inventory system.

And what do you do with services? For instance: how much work must a lawyer do to earn a new car? And does that vary with whether he wins or or loses a case? And do harvests influence the trading rates for food-related products?

And how do you trade with foreign nations? Are they forces to adopt the same system? Because if so, even foreigners would have to search your society for everything they need. And how do people know in which Soviet they can find wat they need?

And how do you coordinate such a system? It must take huge effort to keep such a system together, about equal to managing thousands of companies at the same time, and making sure each one get's exactly as much as the rest in the process

I must admit I find this variant of Marxist production both interesting and potentially rewarding. If you talk about trading between Soviets, does that mean you do not use currency?
And if you trade for goods, who determines the ratio of goods as valued against each other? For instance: how many shoes would a truck be worth? And what kind of administration do you use for such a system? After all, such a trading system requires a huge, completely huge communications and inventory system.

In answer to the first question, yes we do indeed use a currency form called the Worker Soviet Trade Mark. This is used where a Soviet is lacking in useful and required resources and can this currency can be given if their is a lack of tradable resources on one side. The Trade Mark also has an international value of $2.68 to the Trade Mark which allows for a Soviet to purchase from outside and also in order to value a resource and therefore determine a way of barter. Their is of course the Central Information Bureau, a system managed by employees from all Soviets and they control, regulate, determine standards and values and coordinate the efforts of the Soviets if needed.

And what do you do with services? For instance: how much work must a lawyer do to earn a new car? And does that vary with whether he wins or or loses a case? And do harvests influence the trading rates for food-related products?

The Service Sector is also divided into Soviets with a Lawyer Soviet and a Insurance Soviet as examples of this. These Soviets of cause tend to be spread out across the Federation and are not centralised around a factory or office though the Soviet will meet sometimes to discuss Soviet policy.
A Lawyer will be payed for his services by the Soviet that demands them e.g A murderor from one Soviet has his legal fees payed by that Soviet, it is considered a penalisation for producing the said murderor.

And how do you trade with foreign nations? Are they forces to adopt the same system? Because if so, even foreigners would have to search your society for everything they need. And how do people know in which Soviet they can find wat they need?

Foriegn nations are traded with as I said earlier in the description of currency, we use this currency in order to value our goods and export them, other nations may pay in their own money so that we may gain and stockpile a reserve of foriegn currency in order to avoid paying exchange rates.

And how do you coordinate such a system? It must take huge effort to keep such a system together, about equal to managing thousands of companies at the same time, and making sure each one get's exactly as much as the rest in the process

As I said, the Central Information Bureau controls the exchange of all information and all trade traffic. The CIB also has its own Counter Corruption and Illegal Trades Unit which is authorised to destroy all black market operations.

Thank you for your replies. Your system is now much clearer to me.