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I don't have much of a problem with that, yet, being a liberal myself, but some of these resolutions are pushing it...

-Nik

Some of the resolutions, especially the current one, are blatantly overriding national sovereignity. And some of the resolutions that have been passed are just outright stupid.

The United Nations has many problems, which is why we of Sharldonia do not join, we will not be pushed about by people who are not even of our nation.

This won't change if the people who don't like it quit or refuse to join.

The UN has ALWAYS been extremely liberal. The only conservative issue to successfully pass through its gates was the very first issue written by Maxtopia, and that was only because three people voted on it (2 for, 1 against).

NS-breeding ground for liberals

ps: i'm a centrist myself


Philip, Emperor of the Philos (NSPhilopolis@hotmail.com)
The Emperorate of Philopolis (http://philopolis.cjb.net)

Indeed. I mean - I'm a crazy liberal, I like the environment. I like social justice but some of these resolutions that are being passed are ridicilous. Like the one being passed right now.

Basically it gives everyone the right of eternal life. And I have to start cutting all kinds of things just to keep my tax level reasonable. It's annoying I tell you...

I will not alter this nation just to please a bunch of United Nations powermongers.

I'm a crazy liberal, I like the environment.So do I, but I'm not a crazy liberal.
Basically it gives everyone the right of eternal life.Even plants and bacteria! :o:?:evil:

I'm a crazy liberal, I like the environment.So do I, but I'm not a crazy liberal.
Basically it gives everyone the right of eternal life.Even plants and bacteria! :o:?:evil:

Indeed. You do realise that if that resolution is accepted it will effectively ban meat-eating? Oh, and not even mentioning bacteria in the earth. Building projects are out too. As well as harvesting. You have to repsect the grains right to live!

Knootoss: Kind of goes against iself as well, know it?

Well... I'm just going to have to 'creatively interpret' that resolution to mean, well, absolutely nothing.

To accomodate for the 5% taxraise in my nation after it was implemented I'll have "National Respect For All Life" day.

This "Equality for All" resolution is psychotic. Vote against it. It outlaws medicine, eating, and bathing. Fucking hell.

I'll get creative with the official meaning of the world "being"...Or maybe I'll just ignore the resolution.

This "Equality for All" resolution is psychotic. Vote against it. It outlaws medicine, eating, and bathing. Fucking hell.

:mrgreen: indeed. If someone starts a thread on that I'll happily support it.

Kaze Progressa were to join the UN, but pulled out at the last second. (OOC: because I had an out-of-date email still listed in my profile.)

We feel that we should maintain control over our own affairs, feeling the common UN agenda, while an admirable concept, is ineffective in governing many individual states.

Greetings:

As the UN seems to spiral farther into innanity and utopianism, the Royal Commonwealth has seriously considered resigning from the organization.

However, there may be a better solution. As Nianacio says, if those who don't like what is happening leave, the situation will only become worse. Therefore, the Royal Commonwealth respectfully offers an alternative. By grouping the disaffected nations in the UN together, we can start pushing through our own resolutions and make our opinions known.

What I am suggesting is a (for lack of a better term) "shadow" UN. If various UN members (and especially delegates) can learn what other nations agree with them, a network can be formed. Through this network, the dispersed delegates, currently working on their own, can inform their fellows of resolutions to be endorsed, and to inform the various regions to vote in blocs. In this way, the UN could be blocked from authorizing more silly resolutions in the least, and put through actually useful legislation at best.

Any comments, suggestions, critiques, and so forth would be appreciated.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

Now the nation of Raysia has departed the UN. How many other nations of common sense and moral vigor will be alienated and forced to resign by the reigning idiocy of current UN resolutions? Something must be done about this. Either our nations must unite into a voting bloc, acting in unity to bring about changes, or we must all resign. This lukewarm middle-ground is serving none of our nations well.

With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.

OOC:

Actually, my resolution was in a way conservative.

Sure, it looks liberal on the outside, banning child labor and all that. But I intentionally wasn't clear on what a "child" is, so the wiser nations could easily ignore it.

In fact, I then dropped out of the UN altogether, knowing that many thousands of UN nations would now be banning their little ones from free enterprise. Destroying their economy! Starving the poor! Limiting freedom and lowering civil rights, since children now can't work legally, and are forced into child prostitution for their families to make ends meet!

Meanwhile, my economy, which never relied on child labor anyway, is booming ahead, inching towards perfection, lining the pockets of my corporate leadership even as the developing liberal UN states sink ever lower into nothingness.

Yes.

Plus, I have this "nice" image now. He he he. :twisted:

Some of the resolutions, especially the current one, are blatantly overriding national sovereignity. And some of the resolutions that have been passed are just outright stupid.

Yep...

Relevant UN resolutions.

1: All peaceful scientists may, in any nation they please, practice any science and conduct whatever experiments they should choose to conduct, without fear of persecution, in order to stimulate trade and advance technology. Proposed by Genius.

2: The Voting Time for UN proposals shall hereby be shortened. Proposed by Thinkers.

3: Every child under the age of 16 shall have a free education. Proposed by Otnemem. (Later changed to 18 -- see resolution number 34)

4: The UN shall not be able to collect taxes from any member nation for any purpose. Proposed by Nassland.

5: Media from one region shall be allowed to reach the people of another. Proposed by Mercia.

6: Ending slavery -- each person shall have the following rights. The right to leave her or his job, given two weeks' notice. The right to own possessions. The right to travel freely throughout their country. The right to bodily safety from one's employer. The outlawing of the selling or purchasing of people. Note: right number 3 does not apply to criminals. Proposed by Monocerous.

7: Each nation my only propose one resolution per week. Proposed by Mercia.

8: There shall be a search function concerning the UN’s resolutions. Note: this resolution was passed but never implemented. Proposed by Padmez.

9: There shall be a Secretary General for the UN. Note: this resolution was passed but never implemented. Proposed by Labrador.

10: There shall be proper grammar in UN propositions. Proposed by Scrotalia.

11: Each county shall have the right to know its own statistics. Note: this resolution was passed but never implemented. Proposed by Herozerax.

12: Only FIVE PER CENT of ‘for’ votes shall be needed in order for a resolution to pass. Proposed by Cappadocia.

13: The state may not inquire about the sexual activities of any man or woman other than for medical reasons. Proposed by Armstrongonia.

14: All nations shall have some measure of democracy. Proposed by Ashcen. Note: not enforceable.

15: All resolutions shall be monitored and scrutinized. Proposed by Conservative Economics.

16: Each person shall have the right to one bathtub, shower or washbasin (presumably with clean water) and shall have access to vaccinations against common lethal diseases. Proposed by Fallopian tube.

17: Face-to-face conversations, mail, telephone, radio, LAN and Internet shall not be intercepted by the government unless the contents are known to be useful to the state in the following ways: to prevent a crime; to catch a criminal; to prove treason; to help that state in times of war. Proposed by Petkania.

18: All oil tankers shall be double-hulled. Proposed by the Imperial Senators.

19: All nations shall hereby pass laws protecting minorities from discrimination and shall endorse gay marriages. Note: the second part of this resolution impinges on sovereignty and should not have been passed. Proposed by Kundu.

20: All paper, glass, aluminum and batteries shall be recycled by all UN member states. Proposed by Techno Prisoners.

21: The UN shall guarantee the rights of children to not work in any mines, factories, chemical plants or any other industrial occupation; moreover, it shall be prohibited by national and international law for a child to take up labor in such an occupation. Proposed by Santa Barbara.

22: All nations shall hereby protect historical sites of importance. Proposed by X-tonia.

23: Contrary to a previous resolution which was not included on this list, nations shall hereby slash military spending and all biological weapons shall be eliminated. Proposed by Lovinia.

24: 1) All families who are at or below the “poverty level” of US$5,005.50 per adult, and US$4,205.50 per child, must be covered by healthcare insurance, as long as one member of the family, age 22 or older, is employed. 2) All children, age 21 and younger, must be covered by healthcare insurance and be reimbursed up to at least 55%. 3) All seniors, age 67 and older, must be covered by healthcare and prescription drug insurance/coverage and be reimbursed up to at least 65% for healthcare matters, while up to at least 50% for required prescription dugs. 4) All people, ages 22 to 66, must be offered healthcare insurance and be reimbursed up to at least 30%. In addition, if the insured, in this category, has been employed for at least 240 days in the given year, they must be reimbursed by an additional 5%. Note: this resolution has been re-classified and is no longer in effect, since it impinges on sovereignty, but is now for reference and its contents are endorsed but not enforced by the United Nations. Proposed by Austivus.

25: All member nations shall institute a government funded program to develop alternative-energy vehicles. Proposed by Kibombwe.

26: No wars shall be fought for the purpose of religious expansion or in the name of religion or God, and all member states must strive for religious tolerance. Proposed by Athine.

27: All nations must allow their citizens the right to a fair trial. Proposed by the Outer Hebrides.

28: The act of sexual molestation of a pre-pubescent minor is hereby outlawed in all UN member nations. Proposed by Goobergunchia.

29: If over 5 acres of trees are cut down, the organization or individual which has initiated the logging is required by law to replant exactly that amount of woodland. Proposed by Jacobstalia.

30: The metric system shall hereby be implemented in all UN member nations. Proposed by Wortham.

31: All member states shall take steps and implement legislation to protect minors (persons uner the age of 18, unless majority is achieved earlier due to cultural or social differences) from mental, physical or psychological abuse, discrimination, or poverty, and the state shall also realize that the rights of the minor take precedence over the rights of a person who has achieved majority in a court of law. Proposed by Stephistan.

32: The universal bill of rights shall hereby be implemented in all UN member states:
Article 1 -- All human beings have the right to choose worship any faith, and to change their religious beliefs at any time without punishment on the part of the state. Article 2 -- All human beings have the right to express themselves through speech and through the media without any interference. Article 3 -- All human beings have the right to peacefully assemble. Article 4 -- All human beings have the right to be treated equally under the law of any member nation. Article 5 -- All human beings must not be subjected to torture or to cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment. Article 6 -- No human beings will be subjected to arrest or exile without an explicit list of their offenses. Article 7 -- Any arrested person must be assumed innocent until proven guilty. Article 8 -- A human beings family members cannot be held accountable for the crimes of their relative. Article 9 -- Any persons who violate any of these articles shall be held accountable by the law. Article 10 -- The Universal Bill of Rights does not override the existing Bill of Rights of United Nations members. If any of these stated rights do not exist in a member nation, they are herby protected. If any nation has rights that go beyond these universal rights, the Universal Bill of Rights will not remove those rights.
Proposed by Free Porcupines.

33: No person shall be arrested, accused, or made to stand in court for a crime without due process of law, nor shall they be compelled to act as a witness against themselves, nor shall private property be used for the public good without due compensation, excepting military courts and tribunals. Proposed by The Global Market.

34: Each person shall have the right to a free education up to the age of 18 or older.

35: The international red cross association shall hereby be created and implemented. Proposed by Los Chingados.

36: All lawsuits based on examples of Idiotic Negligence shall hereby be dismissed in all UN courts. Proposed by Fantasan.

37: All POW’s may not be subjected to mutilation, torture, experimentation, or violence; they must be protected from these and other discomforts by the Detaining Power, free of charge; they may not be compelled to provide more than their name, date of birth, rank, army, nationality and ID number. Proposed by Wolfish.

38: The International Space Initiative shall hereby be initiated. Proposed by Fortunado.

39: The Global AIDS Initiative shall hereby be initiated. Proposed by New Clarkhall.

40: There shall be no embargoes of any kind on medicine and medical equipment. Proposed by Cherry Cola.

41: Oceanic dumping, as well as dumping in ponds, streams, rivers, bays, marshlands, and inland seas, shall hereby be banned and punishable by fines or prison sentences. All businesses shall be compelled to filter all liquid waste. Non-profit cleaning organizations shall be implemented. Proposed by Giedi and Whoway.

One of these paranoid anti-UN types is behind the present resolution, surely? It's an infiltration hoping to condemn all UN members to a diet of rocks and things-that-have-died-of-natural-causes, isn' it?

I hope so. Then I can sell them seaweed-based food products at a higher price in the Criminal Sector!

I don't know that they'll appreciate the wholesale slaughter of the noble seaweed..

It's either that or they starve, and then I sell their body tissues, organs, extracted fluids, DNA samples and blood to the wealthy elites in SB.

Actually... I think I'll do both.

OOC: The problem with the NS UN is that it has enforcement power. The real UN explicitly has no power to enforce anything, the worst it can do is ask nations to embargo a nation. If nations decide not to, it cannot do anything. The reason Calcednie refuses to join the UN is because it wishes to conduct itself much differently than most nations, and refuses to allow other nations to override its decisions.

I'm not paranoid anti-UN. Actually I am rather pro-UN as a means of world peace and as a global forum. But I don't like the sheer idiocy that is reigning in sometimes. Can't people think before they vote?

(Must be because so many NS voters are Americans

Nothing wrong with Americans.

But I think we can almost all agree that the UN is overstepping its boundaries.

-Nik

The UN has ALWAYS been extremely liberal. The only conservative issue to successfully pass through its gates was the very first issue written by Maxtopia, and that was only because three people voted on it (2 for, 1 against).

I have been saying that for months

The NationStates UN is a breeding ground for idiotic ideas; this is why Wolfsreich refuses to join. We belong to The New Meritocracy, and suggest that all disaffected former UN nations consider joining that most august organization.

We are unburdened by the abject stupidity of whiny Carter-era liberalism.

Carter was a great president. Aside from a more or less collapse at the end, he was an amazingly smart guy and one of the only good presidents in the past 50 years. We need more people like him to balance out the Regeans, Bushes, Clintons...

-Nik