NationStates Jolt Archive

Some of you may know what a United Order is (at least in the sense I am speaking of)

Back when Salt Lake City was first founded, before they were in the U.S., the Mormons there lived in what they Called a United Order. The entire population at that time was living in the absence of any concept of money. It was like communism, except.. well, it worked, and it was based on Mormonism. Everyone lived the law of consecration... "what's yours is mine and whats mine is yours," with some obvious exceptions for basic posessions and family members...

I think this could be very possible for Raysia to pull of, except for one problem:
10-15% of Raysia is not LDS (Mormon)

So what should we do about these people? If we start this United Order form of Government, then these 10-15% will most likely feel very left out.

Any ideas? Should we just go ahead with this and screw the others, encouraging them to stay but not officially kicking them out? :P

All this would most certainly bind church and state closer together.

Opinions?

Oh, and no flaming.

Any ideas? Should we just go ahead with this and screw the others, encouraging them to stay but not officially kicking them out?

Aside from truckloads of missionaries, I'd say this is the most plausible option. :lol:

It'd be cool to see you RP out a slow, gradual transformation to get there, though. The government changing little minor things for a long time. Not saying it's necessarily the best idea, but it'd make the coolest RP (in my opinion).

Any ideas? Should we just go ahead with this and screw the others, encouraging them to stay but not officially kicking them out?

Aside from truckloads of missionaries, I'd say this is the most plausible option. :lol:

It'd be cool to see you RP out a slow, gradual transformation to get there, though. The government changing little minor things for a long time. Not saying it's necessarily the best idea, but it'd make the coolest RP (in my opinion).meh, what can I say, I'm tired of being bored :P

Ooh! i know what I can do next! A book burning! mua hah hah Payback time!

Every copy of those "God makers" books and those "Mountain Meadows Massacre" stories... BURN BURN BURN FIRE!!! :)

I fany of them want to leave (other than the baptists) My refugee program will pick them up. You could issue this as a standing offer to them if you want.

I fany of them want to leave (other than the baptists) My refugee program will pick them up. You could issue this as a standing offer to them if you want.

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Egads! 10-15% of Raysia's population is about 70-105 million people. Doubtful any one nation can absorb that.

Yeah... and while it might have worked for the Mormons in Utah, you're a fair sight bigger than they were. I would think it would be much more difficult...

WE ARE NOT KICKING THEM OUT!!!!!!!!

Yeah... and while it might have worked for the Mormons in Utah, you're a fair sight bigger than they were. I would think it would be much more difficult...it is conceivably possible.

Yeah... and while it might have worked for the Mormons in Utah, you're a fair sight bigger than they were. I would think it would be much more difficult...it is conceivably possible.

Well, certainly through a NS lens.

If nothing else, the potential for abuse or difficulty could spawn some good RP.

I fany of them want to leave (other than the baptists) My refugee program will pick them up. You could issue this as a standing offer to them if you want.

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Egads! 10-15% of Raysia's population is about 70-105 million people. Doubtful any one nation can absorb that.

Infact we could. We have the lands that Soviet Trasa left to us ( all of thier earth holdings) with no population and we have many trillions of dollars that were donated in the refugee thread. We can swing it.

I fany of them want to leave (other than the baptists) My refugee program will pick them up. You could issue this as a standing offer to them if you want.

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Egads! 10-15% of Raysia's population is about 70-105 million people. Doubtful any one nation can absorb that.

Infact we could. We have the lands that Soviet Trasa left to us ( all of thier earth holdings) with no population and we have many trillions of dollars that were donated in the refugee thread. We can swing it.We'll let them know... but all the Catholics etc were well aware that they were not entirely welcome when they came to this Mormonland :P So if they're here, they probably either have relatives, or Business, or Terrorist plots... so this reason just justifies our law that is on the drawing board in the other thread... oh, and we don't know what to do with the baptists... they kinda like to just go wherever they aren't welcome. :P

I fany of them want to leave (other than the baptists) My refugee program will pick them up. You could issue this as a standing offer to them if you want.

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Egads! 10-15% of Raysia's population is about 70-105 million people. Doubtful any one nation can absorb that.

Infact we could. We have the lands that Soviet Trasa left to us ( all of thier earth holdings) with no population and we have many trillions of dollars that were donated in the refugee thread. We can swing it.

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Really now? It's not just a matter of moving them, but rather setting up infrastructure. You mention that Soviet Trasa left their earth holdings. Pray tell, in what kind of shape are said buildings, roads, pipes, power lines, etc...in? And if you say they are in "good shape" then who was maintaining it all when they it was all empty? Boy, sure lucky you got donations but I would hope they aren't a "one shot" deal.

If you can indeed "swing it" then one also might think that this is a sneaky way of empire building.

I fany of them want to leave (other than the baptists) My refugee program will pick them up. You could issue this as a standing offer to them if you want.

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Egads! 10-15% of Raysia's population is about 70-105 million people. Doubtful any one nation can absorb that.

Infact we could. We have the lands that Soviet Trasa left to us ( all of thier earth holdings) with no population and we have many trillions of dollars that were donated in the refugee thread. We can swing it.

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Really now? It's not just a matter of moving them, but rather setting up infrastructure. You mention that Soviet Trasa left their earth holdings. Pray tell, in what kind of shape are said buildings, roads, pipes, power lines, etc...in? And if you say they are in "good shape" then who was maintaining it all when they it was all empty? Boy, sure lucky you got donations but I would hope they aren't a "one shot" deal.

If you can indeed "swing it" then one also might think that this is a sneaky way of empire building.You act as if they would leave in some mass exedous, that is not the case.

I fany of them want to leave (other than the baptists) My refugee program will pick them up. You could issue this as a standing offer to them if you want.

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Egads! 10-15% of Raysia's population is about 70-105 million people. Doubtful any one nation can absorb that.

Infact we could. We have the lands that Soviet Trasa left to us ( all of thier earth holdings) with no population and we have many trillions of dollars that were donated in the refugee thread. We can swing it.

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Really now? It's not just a matter of moving them, but rather setting up infrastructure. You mention that Soviet Trasa left their earth holdings. Pray tell, in what kind of shape are said buildings, roads, pipes, power lines, etc...in? And if you say they are in "good shape" then who was maintaining it all when they it was all empty? Boy, sure lucky you got donations but I would hope they aren't a "one shot" deal.

If you can indeed "swing it" then one also might think that this is a sneaky way of empire building.

The infrastructure is already in place. I have been doing this for some time. The first groups were trained to deal with the future refugees by volunteers from several nations. A large portion of them are already in the lands donated by Soviet Trasa and have been setting up all of the neccessary facilities. The buildings, roads, pipes, and powerlines are nonexistant. These people will not be entering a life of luxury at first. But they will have great medical care (as Celeborne is a nation dedicated to medical science) all of the training and building materials that they will need and temp. shelters have been set up and the military and private orginizations are providing sanitary and water needs. They will also recieve farming equipment , food and financle assistance to get started in thier new lives.

But still, the question stands.

What do we do with the Baptists? :P I'm leaning towards the book burning thing... maybe that'll scare them outta town! :)

But still, the question stands.

What do we do with the Baptists? :P I'm leaning towards the book burning thing... maybe that'll scare them outta town! :)

I am not sure. Perhaps a small island that cannot get off of ?

If you can indeed "swing it" then one also might think that this is a sneaky way of empire building.

My reputation prevents that line of thought from catching hold in enlightened minds.

But still, the question stands.

What do we do with the Baptists? :P I'm leaning towards the book burning thing... maybe that'll scare them outta town! :)

I am not sure. Perhaps a small island that cannot get off of ?*Dr. Bapt Istantich Rist Speaks up*

Ahaha, once we burn their evil literature and mix it with their mountains of bullcrap, we can dump it off shore and make an Island for them.. La Isle de Caca de Baptistes ;)

But still, the question stands.

What do we do with the Baptists? :P I'm leaning towards the book burning thing... maybe that'll scare them outta town! :)

Well, keep in mind Baptists are kinda into book burnings... :wink:

But still, the question stands.

What do we do with the Baptists? :P I'm leaning towards the book burning thing... maybe that'll scare them outta town! :)

Well, keep in mind Baptists are kinda into book burnings... :wink:Pssh, have you seen Salt Lake City? The Home of the Southern Baptsist Convention? Temple square is litered with hundreds of books and pamphlets from the SBC MINISTERS, all flying around the streets, with more ministers sitting on the corners passing them out to the mormons and watching them through them in the trash.

I swear, on the cover it said "Here, you throw this away for me..."

Those guys make me sick, some of the crap they'll say about other religions, esp. Mormons.

You act as if they would leave in some mass exedous, that is not the case.

OOC: You act as if moving 70-100+ million people is as easy as buying milk at the corner store.

If you can indeed "swing it" then one also might think that this is a sneaky way of empire building.

My reputation prevents that line of thought from catching hold in enlightened minds.

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You will forgive me if I'm not swayed by your appeal to popularity.

If you can indeed "swing it" then one also might think that this is a sneaky way of empire building.

My reputation prevents that line of thought from catching hold in enlightened minds.

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You will forgive me if I'm not swayed by your appeal to popularity.

I am not overly worried about your opinion of me.

I am not overly worried about your opinion of me.

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You’re breaking my heart

Here is some information for you to chew on smart guy:

In 1845, San Francisco was a hamlet of 150 people. In 1849 it had over 50 000 people. This was considered “one of the greatest human migrations at that time”.

http://www.travelerstales.com/catalog/sf/intro.html

“Since the mid 1980s, the numbers of people seeking asylum in Western Europe have risen rapidly, from 170,000 in 1985 to a peak of 700,000 in 1993. The number has since declined, but remains significantly higher than 1985 levels, with approximtaley 450,000 asylum claims lodged during 2000.”

“OECD's chief economist suggests that perhaps 500,000 undocumented migrants enter Europe, and 300,000 enter the US, annually.”

“From 1700 to 1900, European empires orchestrated the greatest human migrations for a thousand years. Millions crossed the Atlantic to the New World, (as refugees from persecution or famine but mostly as "economic migrants") while millions more were taken from Africa to labor in the New World and the old.”

http://www.antimedia.net/xborder/xb_passlaws.php

“There are just five major countries that officially welcome international migrants as permanent residents: the United States, Canada, Australia, Italy, and New Zealand. Collectively, these countries accept 1.2 million immigrants a year...but these figures account for a small percentage of the estimated annual global migration.”

http://www.prb.org/Content/NavigationMenu/PRB/AboutPRB/Population_Bulletin2/IntlMigration_Eng.pdf

What does this all mean? It means that even massive amounts of people moving about globally (in the millions) are coming from many different countries and going to many different countries. Not from one single nation to another single nation. And the historical record speaks of decades or even hundreds of years when involving millions of people migrating.

To say nothing of the population that is migrating might have babies in the meantime and the various stresses it will place upon arrival.

So perhaps you best rethink your thoughts before you decide to beak off at me.